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Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 1:02 pm My brother Michael was born on this same day. He joined the church and allowed me to baptize him. Eight years ago on the anniversary of our eldest brother's drowning Mike took his own life with a heroin overdose. He staged his death scene and used enough heroin to end his pain. God, it hurts. He and I have gone through so much, we were both abandoned and just have gone through hell. How I miss him.

• “It is thought by some that our enemies would be satisfied with my destruction; but I tell you that as soon as they have shed my blood they will thirst for the blood of every man in whose heart dwells a single spark of the spirit of the fullness of the Gospel. The opposition of these men is moved by the spirit of the adversary of all righteousness. It is not only to destroy me, but every man and woman who dares believe the doctrines that God hath inspired me to teach to this generation.” (Joseph Smith, 18 June 1844, DHC 6:498)

marc wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 1:07 pm

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 1:02 pm My brother Michael was born on this same day. He joined the church and allowed me to baptize him. Eight years ago on the anniversary of our eldest brother's drowning Mike took his own life with a heroin overdose. He staged his death scene and used enough heroin to end his pain. God, it hurts. He and I have gone through so much, we were both abandoned and just have gone through hell. How I miss him.

Dang, man. So sorry for your loss.

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 1:02 pm My brother Michael was born on this same day. He joined the church and allowed me to baptize him. Eight years ago on the anniversary of our eldest brother's drowning Mike took his own life with a heroin overdose. He staged his death scene and used enough heroin to end his pain. God, it hurts. He and I have gone through so much, we were both abandoned and just have gone through hell. How I miss him.

.... know thou, my son, that all these things shall give thee experience, and shall be for thy good.

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 1:02 pm My brother Michael was born on this same day. He joined the church and allowed me to baptize him. Eight years ago on the anniversary of our eldest brother's drowning Mike took his own life with a heroin overdose. He staged his death scene and used enough heroin to end his pain. God, it hurts. He and I have gone through so much, we were both abandoned and just have gone through hell. How I miss him.

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 5:38 pm It's unfortunate that we have to taint the day with John Taylor's non-sensical and highly unprophetic statement: "Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it."

The prophet who failed to build Zion has done more than the prophets who succeeded at building Zion, talk about prophet worship. Maybe when the city of Enoch returns Brighamites will acknowledge what success really looks like. They'll boast millions of people living in Zion and we'll boast bedding 15 yr olds.

Luke wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 1:08 pm I was planning on doing pretty much the exact same post today. Including with the original song lyrics . Great minds think alike.

• “It is thought by some that our enemies would be satisfied with my destruction; but I tell you that as soon as they have shed my blood they will thirst for the blood of every man in whose heart dwells a single spark of the spirit of the fullness of the Gospel. The opposition of these men is moved by the spirit of the adversary of all righteousness. It is not only to destroy me, but every man and woman who dares believe the doctrines that God hath inspired me to teach to this generation.” (Joseph Smith, 18 June 1844, DHC 6:498)

I will cling to the Fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ as taught and expounded upon by the Prophet Joseph Smith, come life or death.

JLHPROF wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 7:39 pm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 5:38 pm It's unfortunate that we have to taint the day with John Taylor's non-sensical and highly unprophetic statement: "Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it."

The prophet who failed to build Zion has done more than the prophets who succeeded at building Zion, talk about prophet worship. Maybe when the city of Enoch returns Brighamites will acknowledge what success really looks like. They'll boast millions of people living in Zion and we'll boast bedding 15 yr olds.

Yeah, none of that is true but you believe what you want.
It will be interesting when the time comes to stand before Joseph for his approval as dispensation head.

Mindfields wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 10:12 pm

JLHPROF wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 7:39 pm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 5:38 pm It's unfortunate that we have to taint the day with John Taylor's non-sensical and highly unprophetic statement: "Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it."

The prophet who failed to build Zion has done more than the prophets who succeeded at building Zion, talk about prophet worship. Maybe when the city of Enoch returns Brighamites will acknowledge what success really looks like. They'll boast millions of people living in Zion and we'll boast bedding 15 yr olds.

Yeah, none of that is true but you believe what you want.
It will be interesting when the time comes to stand before Joseph for his approval as dispensation head.

He's got nothing to worry about. God himself will give his approval. No man's approval needed nor any of the other nonsense taught by the church.

JLHPROF wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 12:02 pm Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Praise to his memory, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assassins,
Stain Illinois while the earth lauds his fame.

Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true, he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know "brother Joseph" again.

Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it.
Happy 217th Birthday Brother Joseph!

JLHPROF wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 7:39 pm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 5:38 pm It's unfortunate that we have to taint the day with John Taylor's non-sensical and highly unprophetic statement: "Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it."

The prophet who failed to build Zion has done more than the prophets who succeeded at building Zion, talk about prophet worship. Maybe when the city of Enoch returns Brighamites will acknowledge what success really looks like. They'll boast millions of people living in Zion and we'll boast bedding 15 yr olds.

Yeah, none of that is true but you believe what you want.
It will be interesting when the time comes to stand before Joseph for his approval as dispensation head.

Being There wrote: ↑December 24th, 2022, 1:06 am

JLHPROF wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 7:39 pm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 5:38 pm It's unfortunate that we have to taint the day with John Taylor's non-sensical and highly unprophetic statement: "Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it."

The prophet who failed to build Zion has done more than the prophets who succeeded at building Zion, talk about prophet worship. Maybe when the city of Enoch returns Brighamites will acknowledge what success really looks like. They'll boast millions of people living in Zion and we'll boast bedding 15 yr olds.

Yeah, none of that is true but you believe what you want.
It will be interesting when the time comes to stand before Joseph for his approval as dispensation head.

stand before Joseph for his approval !

you know you offend me - and offend the Lord.

WHEN ARE YOU JS WORSHIPERS GOING TO WAKE UP !
I don't need JS -( a fallen prophet) for ANYTHING -
any more than I do Nelson (a false prophet)

Jesus Christ is the ONLY one we need to follow and look to.
He's the one - the only - that died for you and me.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
John 14:6

Being There wrote: ↑December 24th, 2022, 12:25 am JS worshipers. SMH
so so sad.

You can only find such thing, in the Mormon or should it be called The Joseph Smith religion,
where they idolize someone other the Jesus Christ -
and where they've been taught to idolize MEN - just like they still continue to do now - with Nelson.

Just look at how much this forum talks about JS, compared to JC.
Just shows you just how much some members are misled and far away from the Lord.

Sadly - these members replace Christ with Joseph Smith in the scripture below.

"And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ,
we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ,
and we write according to our prophecies,
that our children may know to what source
they may look for a remission of their sins."
2 Nephi 25:26

No wonder why the Gentile LDS church will be destroyed,
and the The Drunkards of Ephraim (church leaders) will be hurled to the ground by the Lords hand
and trodden underfoot. *****

Isaiah 28
Ephraim and its prophets reap disaster for being delusional and for rejecting divine revelation.

1 Woe to the garlands of glory of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths
on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine.

Chapters 28-31, which form a didactic unit comprising Part VI of Isaiah’s Seven-Part Structure (Isaiah 28-31; 55-59), each commence with a “woe” or covenant curse. Ephraim’s chief sins of pride and drunkenness catch up with Israel’s birthright tribe in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment.
Instead of acknowledging current inconvenient truths, the people of Ephraim look back on past glories earned in more righteous times as if they still apply today. Ephraim’s self-deception, stemming from intoxication with “wine” at the highest levels, compounds the hard times that lie ahead (v 7; Isaiah 56:10-12).

***** 2 My Lord has in store one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down,
or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters, he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters” identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last.
Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies (Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground (cf. vv 1, 3).

3 The proud garlands of the drunkards of Ephraim shall be trodden underfoot.
4 And the fading wreaths, the crowns of glory on the heads of the opulent,
shall be like the first-ripe fruit before summer harvest:
he who sees it devours it the moment he has hold of it.

Ideas that link the king of Assyria/Babylon to these verses are Jehovah’s people being “trodden underfoot” (Isaiah 10:5-6; 63:6) and the timing of Assyria’s assault as early summer (Isaiah 16:9-10; 18:5). Ephraim’s former “crowns of glory”—now mere “fading wreaths” on the heads of a later generation—aren’t enough to prevent Assyria’s desolating invasion.
The enemy alliance promptly “devours” or “swallows up” (yibla‘enna) Ephraim’s produce.
Jehovah’s Day of Judgment humbles Ephraim’s “opulent” (ge’e semanim)—literally “fat proud ones”—both political and ecclesiastical (v 7; Isaiah 17:3-6).

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 5:38 pm It's unfortunate that we have to taint the day with John Taylor's non-sensical and highly unprophetic statement: "Joseph Smith, the Prophet and Seer of the Lord, has done more, save Jesus only, for the salvation of men in this world, than any other man that ever lived in it."

The prophet who failed to build Zion has done more than the prophets who succeeded at building Zion, talk about prophet worship. Maybe when the city of Enoch returns Brighamites will acknowledge what success really looks like. They'll boast millions of people living in Zion and we'll boast bedding 15 yr olds.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 24th, 2022, 5:47 am

Being There wrote: ↑December 24th, 2022, 12:25 am JS worshipers. SMH
so so sad.

You can only find such thing, in the Mormon or should it be called The Joseph Smith religion,
where they idolize someone other the Jesus Christ -
and where they've been taught to idolize MEN - just like they still continue to do now - with Nelson.

Just look at how much this forum talks about JS, compared to JC.
Just shows you just how much some members are misled and far away from the Lord.

Sadly - these members replace Christ with Joseph Smith in the scripture below.

"And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ,
we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ,
and we write according to our prophecies,
that our children may know to what source
they may look for a remission of their sins."
2 Nephi 25:26

No wonder why the Gentile LDS church will be destroyed,
and the The Drunkards of Ephraim (church leaders) will be hurled to the ground by the Lords hand
and trodden underfoot. *****

Isaiah 28
Ephraim and its prophets reap disaster for being delusional and for rejecting divine revelation.

1 Woe to the garlands of glory of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths
on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine.

Chapters 28-31, which form a didactic unit comprising Part VI of Isaiah’s Seven-Part Structure (Isaiah 28-31; 55-59), each commence with a “woe” or covenant curse. Ephraim’s chief sins of pride and drunkenness catch up with Israel’s birthright tribe in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment.
Instead of acknowledging current inconvenient truths, the people of Ephraim look back on past glories earned in more righteous times as if they still apply today. Ephraim’s self-deception, stemming from intoxication with “wine” at the highest levels, compounds the hard times that lie ahead (v 7; Isaiah 56:10-12).

***** 2 My Lord has in store one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down,
or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters, he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters” identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last.
Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies (Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground (cf. vv 1, 3).

3 The proud garlands of the drunkards of Ephraim shall be trodden underfoot.
4 And the fading wreaths, the crowns of glory on the heads of the opulent,
shall be like the first-ripe fruit before summer harvest:
he who sees it devours it the moment he has hold of it.

Ideas that link the king of Assyria/Babylon to these verses are Jehovah’s people being “trodden underfoot” (Isaiah 10:5-6; 63:6) and the timing of Assyria’s assault as early summer (Isaiah 16:9-10; 18:5). Ephraim’s former “crowns of glory”—now mere “fading wreaths” on the heads of a later generation—aren’t enough to prevent Assyria’s desolating invasion.
The enemy alliance promptly “devours” or “swallows up” (yibla‘enna) Ephraim’s produce.
Jehovah’s Day of Judgment humbles Ephraim’s “opulent” (ge’e semanim)—literally “fat proud ones”—both political and ecclesiastical (v 7; Isaiah 17:3-6).

I think you will find religious Jews feel the same way about Moses.
It's not unique to the Mormons.

TheChristian wrote: ↑December 24th, 2022, 7:39 am

Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 24th, 2022, 5:47 am

Being There wrote: ↑December 24th, 2022, 12:25 am JS worshipers. SMH
so so sad.

You can only find such thing, in the Mormon or should it be called The Joseph Smith religion,
where they idolize someone other the Jesus Christ -
and where they've been taught to idolize MEN - just like they still continue to do now - with Nelson.

Just look at how much this forum talks about JS, compared to JC.
Just shows you just how much some members are misled and far away from the Lord.

Sadly - these members replace Christ with Joseph Smith in the scripture below.

"And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ,
we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ,
and we write according to our prophecies,
that our children may know to what source
they may look for a remission of their sins."
2 Nephi 25:26

No wonder why the Gentile LDS church will be destroyed,
and the The Drunkards of Ephraim (church leaders) will be hurled to the ground by the Lords hand
and trodden underfoot. *****

Isaiah 28
Ephraim and its prophets reap disaster for being delusional and for rejecting divine revelation.

1 Woe to the garlands of glory of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths
on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine.

Chapters 28-31, which form a didactic unit comprising Part VI of Isaiah’s Seven-Part Structure (Isaiah 28-31; 55-59), each commence with a “woe” or covenant curse. Ephraim’s chief sins of pride and drunkenness catch up with Israel’s birthright tribe in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment.
Instead of acknowledging current inconvenient truths, the people of Ephraim look back on past glories earned in more righteous times as if they still apply today. Ephraim’s self-deception, stemming from intoxication with “wine” at the highest levels, compounds the hard times that lie ahead (v 7; Isaiah 56:10-12).

***** 2 My Lord has in store one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down,
or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters, he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters” identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last.
Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies (Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground (cf. vv 1, 3).

3 The proud garlands of the drunkards of Ephraim shall be trodden underfoot.
4 And the fading wreaths, the crowns of glory on the heads of the opulent,
shall be like the first-ripe fruit before summer harvest:
he who sees it devours it the moment he has hold of it.

Ideas that link the king of Assyria/Babylon to these verses are Jehovah’s people being “trodden underfoot” (Isaiah 10:5-6; 63:6) and the timing of Assyria’s assault as early summer (Isaiah 16:9-10; 18:5). Ephraim’s former “crowns of glory”—now mere “fading wreaths” on the heads of a later generation—aren’t enough to prevent Assyria’s desolating invasion.
The enemy alliance promptly “devours” or “swallows up” (yibla‘enna) Ephraim’s produce.
Jehovah’s Day of Judgment humbles Ephraim’s “opulent” (ge’e semanim)—literally “fat proud ones”—both political and ecclesiastical (v 7; Isaiah 17:3-6).

I think you will find religious Jews feel the same way about Moses.
It's not unique to the Mormons.

Robin my friend I went to the synagogue in my younger day, I assure you there was no worship or psalms sung to Moses, all was centred apon the God of Israel in the synagogue I went to..
If one had declared that Moses stood next to God in glory, that no man would get to heaven save thru him, that he had done more for the salvation of men save God or that Moses was their God, there would of been a righteous uproar in the synagogue.
The God fearing Jew worshipped God alone.

Being There wrote: ↑December 24th, 2022, 12:25 am JS worshipers. SMH
so so sad.

You can only find such thing, in the Mormon or should it be called The Joseph Smith religion,
where they idolize someone other the Jesus Christ -
and where they've been taught to idolize MEN - just like they still continue to do now - with Nelson.

Just look at how much this forum talks about JS, compared to JC.
Just shows you just how much some members are misled and far away from the Lord.

Sadly - these members replace Christ with Joseph Smith in the scripture below.

"And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ,
we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ,
and we write according to our prophecies,
that our children may know to what source
they may look for a remission of their sins."
2 Nephi 25:26

No wonder why the Gentile LDS church will be destroyed,
and the The Drunkards of Ephraim (church leaders) will be hurled to the ground by the Lords hand
and trodden underfoot. *****

Isaiah 28
Ephraim and its prophets reap disaster for being delusional and for rejecting divine revelation.

1 Woe to the garlands of glory of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths
on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine.

Chapters 28-31, which form a didactic unit comprising Part VI of Isaiah’s Seven-Part Structure (Isaiah 28-31; 55-59), each commence with a “woe” or covenant curse. Ephraim’s chief sins of pride and drunkenness catch up with Israel’s birthright tribe in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment.
Instead of acknowledging current inconvenient truths, the people of Ephraim look back on past glories earned in more righteous times as if they still apply today. Ephraim’s self-deception, stemming from intoxication with “wine” at the highest levels, compounds the hard times that lie ahead (v 7; Isaiah 56:10-12).

***** 2 My Lord has in store one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down,
or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters, he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters” identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last.
Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies (Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground (cf. vv 1, 3).

3 The proud garlands of the drunkards of Ephraim shall be trodden underfoot.
4 And the fading wreaths, the crowns of glory on the heads of the opulent,
shall be like the first-ripe fruit before summer harvest:
he who sees it devours it the moment he has hold of it.

Ideas that link the king of Assyria/Babylon to these verses are Jehovah’s people being “trodden underfoot” (Isaiah 10:5-6; 63:6) and the timing of Assyria’s assault as early summer (Isaiah 16:9-10; 18:5). Ephraim’s former “crowns of glory”—now mere “fading wreaths” on the heads of a later generation—aren’t enough to prevent Assyria’s desolating invasion.
The enemy alliance promptly “devours” or “swallows up” (yibla‘enna) Ephraim’s produce.
Jehovah’s Day of Judgment humbles Ephraim’s “opulent” (ge’e semanim)—literally “fat proud ones”—both political and ecclesiastical (v 7; Isaiah 17:3-6).