itsmerich wrote: ↑December 16th, 2022, 8:45 pm
Hey all,
In the temple (this isn't secret, but if not allowed please remove) Adam says for us to listen to the 3 apostles and heed to their word.
But they dont do anything/say anything after this is said. I was trying to figure out what this part means.
He clearly says listen to these THREE - surely he can't be referencing their New testament contributions
Any ideas?
thanks all!
Everything Adam does in the endowment until he talks to Christ through the veil is wrong. This is very clear when he prays over the alter using vain repetition, asking God to hear the words of his mouth and not the true intents of his heart, etc. He performed the prayer in exactly the wrong way to pray. God doesn't hear him because his pray sucks. Satan does hear him.
To your question, Adam is looking for messengers from his Father because he isn't able to talk to his Father himself personally. At any time, he could pray correctly and talk with God through the veil. But, he doesn't. He looks for messengers from his Father, like going to a prophet to inquire of the prophet concerning God rather than going to God directly. God never said we should look for messengers or go to prophets to inquire of God. Here's what God said on this topic.
James 1
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Here's what the Lord said when the Elders went to the prophet Ezekiel (messenger from the Father) to inquire of him concerning God...
Ezekiel 14
1 Then came certain of the elders of Israel unto me, and sat before me.
2 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
3 Son of man, these men have set up their idols in their heart (the prophet/messenger who speaks for God), and put the stumblingblock of their iniquity before their face: should I be inquired of at all by them?
4 Therefore speak unto them, and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Every man of the house of Israel that setteth up his idols (Prophets who speak for God are the idols of God) in his heart, and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to the prophet; I the Lord will answer him that cometh according to the multitude of his idols;
5 That I may take the house of Israel in their own heart, because they are all estranged from me through their idols (prophet/messengers from the Father).
6 ¶ Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord God; Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols (Prophet/Messengers from the Father); and turn away your faces from all your abominations.
7 For every one of the house of Israel, or of the stranger that sojourneth in Israel, which separateth himself from me, and setteth up his idols in his heart (Look for messengers from the Father rather than going to God directly), and putteth the stumblingblock of his iniquity before his face, and cometh to a prophet to inquire of him concerning me; I the Lord will answer him by myself:
8 And I will set my face against that man, and will make him a sign and a proverb, and I will cut him off from the midst of my people; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.
9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.
10 And they shall bear the punishment of their iniquity: the punishment of the prophet shall be even as the punishment of him that seeketh unto him;
11 That the house of Israel may go no more astray from me, neither be polluted any more with all their transgressions; but that they may be my people, and I may be their God, saith the Lord God.
When Adam is speaking to the Lord through the veil, the Lord asks him about what he learned. Everything he learned up to that point was learned in some other way than from the Lord directly through the spirit. So, nothing he learned is of God.
D&C 50
19 And again, he that receiveth the word of truth, doth he receive it by the Spirit of truth or some other way?
20 If it be some other way it is not of God.
When Adam tells the Lord what he learned, the Lord doesn't confirm it as right or wrong. He just moves on. The only time that the Lord says, "THAT is right." is when Adam repeats what he learned from the Lord through the veil. It is the only thing that Adam got right because everything else he learned was not of God.
Speaking to the Lord through the veil means hearing his voice which is his spirit and not seeing him.
D&C 88:66
66 Behold, that which you hear is as the voice of one crying in the wilderness—in the wilderness, because you cannot see him—my voice, because my voice is Spirit; my Spirit is truth; truth abideth and hath no end; and if it be in you it shall abound.
D&C 97:1
1 Verily I say unto you my friends, I speak unto you with my voice, even the voice of my Spirit, that I may show unto you my will...
D&C 75:1
1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, I who speak even by the voice of my Spirit, even Alpha and Omega, your Lord and your God—
D&C 18:35-36
35 For it is my voice which speaketh them unto you; for they are given by my Spirit unto you, ...
36 Wherefore, you can testify that you have heard my voice, and know my words.
Also, we know that Adam was considered wicked through the entire endowment until he spoke to the Lord through the veil. He was wicked because the Lord said that the difference between the wicked and the righteous is that the righteous hear and follow his voice (the spirit) and the wicked do not. Until Adam truly prayed and spoke to the Lord through the veil, he was wicked and doing everything wrong.
D&C 84:52-53
52 And whoso receiveth not my voice is not acquainted with my voice, and is not of me.
53 And by this you may know the righteous from the wicked...
Mosiah 26:21 & 28
21 And he that will hear my voice shall be my sheep; and him shall ye receive into the church, and him will I also receive.
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28 Therefore I say unto you, that he that will not hear my voice, the same shall ye not receive into my church, for him I will not receive at the last day.
Mosiah 16:2
2 And then shall the wicked be cast out, and they shall have cause to howl, and weep, and wail, and gnash their teeth; and this because they would not hearken unto the voice of the Lord; therefore the Lord redeemeth them not.
D&C 38:6
6 And even so will I cause the wicked to be kept, that will not hear my voice but harden their hearts, and wo, wo, wo, is their doom…
Adam had not heard the Lord's voice until he spoke to the Lord through the veil. He should have done that in the first 5 minutes and avoided nearly the entire endowment. Then he would have been welcomed into the church of Christ and into his presence. Adam instead did what we all tend to do by following some strange convoluted path that they think is progress but isn't at all. Adam was wicked until he spoke to the Lord directly. It didn't matter who he followed, what he did or how much he thinks he progressed before that point, he was still not redeemed from the fall, not welcome into Christ's church, and not considered righteous.
When Adam discovers messengers from his Father, he sets up an idol and begins to follow them, just like the church Elders in Ezekiel 14 did. he tells you to follow them too, not to listen to and follow the voice of the Lord/the spirit. This is bad advice. It doesn't matter if the three apostles give good advice or bad advice, following them will not qualify you to be redeemed. Following them will not make you part of Christ's church or righteous. It is a distraction from the real and true spirituality and word of God. It is being blinded by the craftiness of men.
~Seeker
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