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D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 15th, 2022, 12:20 pm
by illuminating.Grace
Upon my time of silence and scripture reading, I read the last chapter of the doctrine and covenants, and I discovered that the reference to 1st Peter, is written from the unrestored scriptures. This should have been corrected before being sustained for canonization. It appears that even long ago, the restored new and old testaments of Jesus Christ, weren't yet adopted by many church members.
The Lord's work, through Joseph Smith, in restoring the old and new testaments, restoring the precious truths, it was so important. Much time, tribulation, and prayer went into this work. Thus, I greatly look forward to the fulfilling of 2nd Nephi 3:12. It's like we were sent a diamond from God, and there are few that recognize the treasure that it is.
The correct reference, should be:
1 Peter 3: 18-20 (Restored Scriptures)
18 “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 “By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Some of whom were disobedient in the days of Noah, while the long-suffering of God waited, while the ark was preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 Peter 4:6 (Restored Scriptures)
6 Because of this, is the gospel preached to them who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live in the spirit according to the will of God.
In D&C 138, the incorrect version as Joseph F. Smith states:
1 Peter Chapter 3
“Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.” (1 Peter 3:20.)
1 Peter Chapter 4
“For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1 Peter 4:6.)
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 15th, 2022, 12:40 pm
by cachemagic
I guess I am not familiar with the term "Restored Scriptures." This is what the Inspired Version or JST has for those verses:
1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit, that he might bring us to God:
19 For which cause also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Some of whom were disobedient in the days of Noah, while the longsuffering of God waited, while the ark was preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 Peter 4:6
6 Because of this is the gospel preached to them who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live in the spirit according to the will of God.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 15th, 2022, 12:44 pm
by Craig Johnson
Those portions are not canonized. And this is nothing to worry about nor make a big deal about. We aren't living per what we have received, when one of us reaches that point, we might have a right to complain, but we wouldn't.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 15th, 2022, 12:50 pm
by Luke
He wasn’t reading from the JST/IV when he had the vision, so there would be no need to reference it. It only makes sense to reference what was actually being read from at the time.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 15th, 2022, 7:08 pm
by JLHPROF
Luke wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 12:50 pm
He wasn’t reading from the JST/IV when he had the vision, so there would be no need to reference it. It only makes sense to reference what was actually being read from at the time.
Good point. Revisionist history is never the right move.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 15th, 2022, 8:42 pm
by Seeker144k
illuminating.Grace wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 12:20 pm
Upon my time of silence and scripture reading, I read the last chapter of the doctrine and covenants, and I discovered that the reference to 1st Peter, is written from the unrestored scriptures. This should have been corrected before being sustained for canonization. It appears that even long ago, the restored new and old testaments of Jesus Christ, weren't yet adopted by many church members.
The Lord's work, through Joseph Smith, in restoring the old and new testaments, restoring the precious truths, it was so important. Much time, tribulation, and prayer went into this work. Thus, I greatly look forward to the fulfilling of 2nd Nephi 3:12. It's like we were sent a diamond from God, and there are few that recognize the treasure that it is.
The correct reference, should be:
1 Peter 3: 18-20 (Restored Scriptures)
18 “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 “By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Some of whom were disobedient in the days of Noah, while the long-suffering of God waited, while the ark was preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 Peter 4:6 (Restored Scriptures)
6 Because of this, is the gospel preached to them who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live in the spirit according to the will of God.
In D&C 138, the incorrect version as Joseph F. Smith states:
1 Peter Chapter 3
“Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.” (1 Peter 3:20.)
1 Peter Chapter 4
“For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1 Peter 4:6.)
There are too many errors in the JST to recognize it as scripture. In my opinion, there are many things that Joseph Changed that he shouldn't have. There are many things he changed and then changed again and even later unchanged once he realized what it was saying. The JST teaches many errors that the original does not.
~Seeker
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 15th, 2022, 9:42 pm
by abijah
Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 8:42 pm
There are too many errors in the JST to recognize it as scripture. In my opinion, there are many things that Joseph Changed that he shouldn't have. There are many things he changed and then changed again and even later unchanged once he realized what it was saying. The JST teaches many errors that the original does not.
~Seeker
Agreed. JST is a common idol for LDS.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 19th, 2022, 3:33 am
by cachemagic
abijah wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 9:42 pm
Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 8:42 pm
There are too many errors in the JST to recognize it as scripture. In my opinion, there are many things that Joseph Changed that he shouldn't have. There are many things he changed and then changed again and even later unchanged once he realized what it was saying. The JST teaches many errors that the original does not.
~Seeker
Agreed. JST is a common idol for LDS.
So where can a person find the Restored Scriptures?
referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 19th, 2022, 4:45 am
by BeNotDeceived
cachemagic wrote: ↑December 19th, 2022, 3:33 am
abijah wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 9:42 pm
Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 8:42 pm
There are too many errors in the JST to recognize it as scripture. In my opinion, there are many things that Joseph Changed that he shouldn't have. There are many things he changed and then changed again and even later unchanged once he realized what it was saying. The JST teaches many errors that the original does not.
~Seeker
Agreed. JST is a common idol for LDS.
So where can a person find the Restored Scriptures?
Restored understanding examples:
search.php?keywords=0000FF&terms=all&au ... mit=Search
Re: referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 19th, 2022, 7:12 am
by cachemagic
BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑December 19th, 2022, 4:45 am
cachemagic wrote: ↑December 19th, 2022, 3:33 am
abijah wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 9:42 pm
Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 8:42 pm
There are too many errors in the JST to recognize it as scripture. In my opinion, there are many things that Joseph Changed that he shouldn't have. There are many things he changed and then changed again and even later unchanged once he realized what it was saying. The JST teaches many errors that the original does not.
~Seeker
Agreed. JST is a common idol for LDS.
So where can a person find the Restored Scriptures?
Restored understanding examples:
search.php?keywords=0000FF&terms=all&au ... mit=Search
O.K. That gives me 535 results, but I can't tell that any of them lead me to a source for the Restored Scriptures. Do they exist?
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 19th, 2022, 9:51 am
by Seeker144k
cachemagic wrote: ↑December 19th, 2022, 3:33 am
abijah wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 9:42 pm
Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 8:42 pm
There are too many errors in the JST to recognize it as scripture. In my opinion, there are many things that Joseph Changed that he shouldn't have. There are many things he changed and then changed again and even later unchanged once he realized what it was saying. The JST teaches many errors that the original does not.
~Seeker
Agreed. JST is a common idol for LDS.
So where can a person find the Restored Scriptures?
As best I know, you have to listen to the spirit. The Bible is a lot better than the LDS think it is and not as infallible as some Christians think it is. Believe all things and translate it yourself with the guide of the spirit. Aside from that, take a look at the books rejected from the Bible.
~Seeker
Re: referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 19th, 2022, 6:09 pm
by BeNotDeceived
cachemagic wrote: ↑December 19th, 2022, 7:12 am
O.K. That gives me 535 results, but I can't tell that any of them lead me to a source for the Restored Scriptures. Do they exist?
The Spirit speaks on occasion, and new understanding such as this gem:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=56217&p=1096104&hil ... r#p1096104
This supplied the details of my conclusion reached as shown at march8miracle.org
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 19th, 2022, 7:31 pm
by TheDuke
I struggle with taking at face value about anything from JFS, can never tell what is prophetic, what is from his own personal experience and (mis)understanding of things (like dinosaurs). I don't think it was cannonized just added.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 19th, 2022, 9:39 pm
by onefour1
illuminating.Grace wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 12:20 pm
Upon my time of silence and scripture reading, I read the last chapter of the doctrine and covenants, and I discovered that the reference to 1st Peter, is written from the unrestored scriptures. This should have been corrected before being sustained for canonization. It appears that even long ago, the restored new and old testaments of Jesus Christ, weren't yet adopted by many church members.
The Lord's work, through Joseph Smith, in restoring the old and new testaments, restoring the precious truths, it was so important. Much time, tribulation, and prayer went into this work. Thus, I greatly look forward to the fulfilling of 2nd Nephi 3:12. It's like we were sent a diamond from God, and there are few that recognize the treasure that it is.
The correct reference, should be:
1 Peter 3: 18-20 (Restored Scriptures)
18 “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 “By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Some of whom were disobedient in the days of Noah, while the long-suffering of God waited, while the ark was preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1 Peter 4:6 (Restored Scriptures)
6 Because of this, is the gospel preached to them who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live in the spirit according to the will of God.
In D&C 138, the incorrect version as Joseph F. Smith states:
1 Peter Chapter 3
“Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.” (1 Peter 3:20.)
1 Peter Chapter 4
“For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.” (1 Peter 4:6.)
Yes, please explain what the restored scriptures are.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 23rd, 2022, 2:52 am
by SJR3t2
Personally I'm not surprised, I don't believe Joseph F Smith was a holy prophet.
He has no fruits of such.
In Matt 7:15-20 Jesus teaches us that we shall know prophets by their fruits. Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Jesus did not say you shall know their fruits of being a prophet after you believe you believe they are a prophet. On the contrary, Jesus is showing us one important principle of not being deceived. Before you can know that some is the title that they claim to have from God, you must know of their fruits. We must have knowledge of the fruits of the title before we can study it out in our minds before we take it to the Lord for confirmation that the title comes from Him, see D&C 9:8.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2015/10/04/in-h ... yesterday/
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 23rd, 2022, 9:19 am
by Craig Johnson
Lots of interesting judges here. I've never heard of you and your great "fruits", but I do know something about the Prophet Joseph F. Smith and his son, the Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith. I have read their words and studied their lives. You are woefully wrong about them. Particularly if you think they don't have as much right to be as fallible as anyone, despite their achievements, which I don't know what your great achievements are. Your judgments are critical, I encourage you to examine YOURSELF and shut your mouths when you are tempted by satan to say critical things about people that others hold as prophets and who just might be right about that.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 25th, 2022, 8:19 am
by SJR3t2
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 9:19 am
Lots of interesting judges here. I've never heard of you and your great "fruits", but I do know something about the Prophet Joseph F. Smith and his son, the Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith. I have read their words and studied their lives. You are woefully wrong about them. Particularly if you think they don't have as much right to be as fallible as anyone, despite their achievements, which I don't know what your great achievements are. Your judgments are critical, I encourage you to examine YOURSELF and shut your mouths when you are tempted by satan to say critical things about people that others hold as prophets and who just might be right about that.
Please share what fruits of a prophet he has, of a seer he has and fruits of a revelator he has as you claim he has fruits of those three titles.
In Matt 7:15-20 Jesus teaches us that we shall know prophets by their fruits. Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Jesus did not say you shall know their fruits of being a prophet after you believe you believe they are a prophet. On the contrary, Jesus is showing us one important principle of not being deceived. Before you can know that some is the title that they claim to have from God, you must know of their fruits. We must have knowledge of the fruits of the title before we can study it out in our minds before we take it to the Lord for confirmation that the title comes from Him, see D&C 9:8.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2015/10/04/in-h ... yesterday/
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 25th, 2022, 10:17 am
by Craig Johnson
SJR3t2 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 8:19 am
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 9:19 am
Lots of interesting judges here. I've never heard of you and your great "fruits", but I do know something about the Prophet Joseph F. Smith and his son, the Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith. I have read their words and studied their lives. You are woefully wrong about them. Particularly if you think they don't have as much right to be as fallible as anyone, despite their achievements, which I don't know what your great achievements are. Your judgments are critical, I encourage you to examine YOURSELF and shut your mouths when you are tempted by satan to say critical things about people that others hold as prophets and who just might be right about that.
Please share what fruits of a prophet he has, of a seer he has and fruits of a revelator he has as you claim he has fruits of those three titles.
In Matt 7:15-20 Jesus teaches us that we shall know prophets by their fruits. Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Jesus did not say you shall know their fruits of being a prophet after you believe you believe they are a prophet. On the contrary, Jesus is showing us one important principle of not being deceived. Before you can know that some is the title that they claim to have from God, you must know of their fruits. We must have knowledge of the fruits of the title before we can study it out in our minds before we take it to the Lord for confirmation that the title comes from Him, see D&C 9:8.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2015/10/04/in-h ... yesterday/
You won't believe the answers so why ask the questions?
To contend.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 25th, 2022, 10:26 am
by InfoWarrior82
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:17 am
SJR3t2 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 8:19 am
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 9:19 am
Lots of interesting judges here. I've never heard of you and your great "fruits", but I do know something about the Prophet Joseph F. Smith and his son, the Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith. I have read their words and studied their lives. You are woefully wrong about them. Particularly if you think they don't have as much right to be as fallible as anyone, despite their achievements, which I don't know what your great achievements are. Your judgments are critical, I encourage you to examine YOURSELF and shut your mouths when you are tempted by satan to say critical things about people that others hold as prophets and who just might be right about that.
Please share what fruits of a prophet he has, of a seer he has and fruits of a revelator he has as you claim he has fruits of those three titles.
In Matt 7:15-20 Jesus teaches us that we shall know prophets by their fruits. Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Jesus did not say you shall know their fruits of being a prophet after you believe you believe they are a prophet. On the contrary, Jesus is showing us one important principle of not being deceived. Before you can know that some is the title that they claim to have from God, you must know of their fruits. We must have knowledge of the fruits of the title before we can study it out in our minds before we take it to the Lord for confirmation that the title comes from Him, see D&C 9:8.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2015/10/04/in-h ... yesterday/
You won't believe the answers so why ask the questions?
To contend.
Jesus Christ said that by their fruits you shall know if they are prophets. The more information, the better. Christ wants us to know all their works, whether they be good, or corrupt... And THEN, we judge them for ourselves. You holding back, is going against what the Lord taught. Secondly, a prophet has fruits that no one else will have. How do we know what fruits a prophet will produce? (The scriptures have the best examples).
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 25th, 2022, 10:53 am
by Craig Johnson
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:26 am
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:17 am
SJR3t2 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 8:19 am
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 9:19 am
Lots of interesting judges here. I've never heard of you and your great "fruits", but I do know something about the Prophet Joseph F. Smith and his son, the Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith. I have read their words and studied their lives. You are woefully wrong about them. Particularly if you think they don't have as much right to be as fallible as anyone, despite their achievements, which I don't know what your great achievements are. Your judgments are critical, I encourage you to examine YOURSELF and shut your mouths when you are tempted by satan to say critical things about people that others hold as prophets and who just might be right about that.
Please share what fruits of a prophet he has, of a seer he has and fruits of a revelator he has as you claim he has fruits of those three titles.
In Matt 7:15-20 Jesus teaches us that we shall know prophets by their fruits. Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Jesus did not say you shall know their fruits of being a prophet after you believe you believe they are a prophet. On the contrary, Jesus is showing us one important principle of not being deceived. Before you can know that some is the title that they claim to have from God, you must know of their fruits. We must have knowledge of the fruits of the title before we can study it out in our minds before we take it to the Lord for confirmation that the title comes from Him, see D&C 9:8.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2015/10/04/in-h ... yesterday/
You won't believe the answers so why ask the questions?
To contend.
Jesus Christ said that by their fruits you shall know if they are prophets. The more information, the better. Christ wants us to know all their works, whether they be good, or corrupt... And THEN, we judge them for ourselves. You holding back, is going against what the Lord taught. Secondly, a prophet has fruits that no one else will have. How do we know what fruits a prophet will produce? (The scriptures have the best examples).
Nice try. You want to contend, I do not. You say you want info, but you never believe it. You say I must do this and do that because it is commanded, I do not share your views in this context.
The info is available, I have no more access than you do. Your argument does not hold water.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 25th, 2022, 10:57 am
by InfoWarrior82
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:53 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:26 am
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:17 am
SJR3t2 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 8:19 am
Please share what fruits of a prophet he has, of a seer he has and fruits of a revelator he has as you claim he has fruits of those three titles.
In Matt 7:15-20 Jesus teaches us that we shall know prophets by their fruits. Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Jesus did not say you shall know their fruits of being a prophet after you believe you believe they are a prophet. On the contrary, Jesus is showing us one important principle of not being deceived. Before you can know that some is the title that they claim to have from God, you must know of their fruits. We must have knowledge of the fruits of the title before we can study it out in our minds before we take it to the Lord for confirmation that the title comes from Him, see D&C 9:8.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2015/10/04/in-h ... yesterday/
You won't believe the answers so why ask the questions?
To contend.
Jesus Christ said that by their fruits you shall know if they are prophets. The more information, the better. Christ wants us to know all their works, whether they be good, or corrupt... And THEN, we judge them for ourselves. You holding back, is going against what the Lord taught. Secondly, a prophet has fruits that no one else will have. How do we know what fruits a prophet will produce? (The scriptures have the best examples).
Nice try. You want to contend, I do not. You say you want info, but you never believe it. You say I must do this and do that because it is commanded, I do not share your views in this context.
The info is available, I have no more access than you do. Your argument does not hold water.
Sure, I can go search for myself... Just wondering why you refuse to share. Maybe you think they will be found lacking?
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 25th, 2022, 11:05 am
by Craig Johnson
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:57 am
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:53 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:26 am
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:17 am
You won't believe the answers so why ask the questions?
To contend.
Jesus Christ said that by their fruits you shall know if they are prophets. The more information, the better. Christ wants us to know all their works, whether they be good, or corrupt... And THEN, we judge them for ourselves. You holding back, is going against what the Lord taught. Secondly, a prophet has fruits that no one else will have. How do we know what fruits a prophet will produce? (The scriptures have the best examples).
Nice try. You want to contend, I do not. You say you want info, but you never believe it. You say I must do this and do that because it is commanded, I do not share your views in this context.
The info is available, I have no more access than you do. Your argument does not hold water.
Sure, I can go search for myself... Just wondering why you refuse to share. Maybe you think they will be found lacking?
I have already told you. Your implication does not bother me.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 25th, 2022, 11:07 am
by InfoWarrior82
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 11:05 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:57 am
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:53 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:26 am
Jesus Christ said that by their fruits you shall know if they are prophets. The more information, the better. Christ wants us to know all their works, whether they be good, or corrupt... And THEN, we judge them for ourselves. You holding back, is going against what the Lord taught. Secondly, a prophet has fruits that no one else will have. How do we know what fruits a prophet will produce? (The scriptures have the best examples).
Nice try. You want to contend, I do not. You say you want info, but you never believe it. You say I must do this and do that because it is commanded, I do not share your views in this context.
The info is available, I have no more access than you do. Your argument does not hold water.
Sure, I can go search for myself... Just wondering why you refuse to share. Maybe you think they will be found lacking?
I have already told you. Your implication does not bother me.
Ok but, when you make statements, don't be bewildered when people ask you to back up those statements.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 25th, 2022, 11:18 am
by Craig Johnson
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 11:07 am
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 11:05 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:57 am
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:53 am
Nice try. You want to contend, I do not. You say you want info, but you never believe it. You say I must do this and do that because it is commanded, I do not share your views in this context.
The info is available, I have no more access than you do. Your argument does not hold water.
Sure, I can go search for myself... Just wondering why you refuse to share. Maybe you think they will be found lacking?
I have already told you. Your implication does not bother me.
Ok but, when you make statements, don't be bewildered when people ask you to back up those statements.
I'm not bewildered and expect it. It is very typical.
Re: D&C 138 - Joseph F. Smith was not referencing the restored scriptures
Posted: December 25th, 2022, 1:45 pm
by InfoWarrior82
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 11:18 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 11:07 am
Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 11:05 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:57 am
Sure, I can go search for myself... Just wondering why you refuse to share. Maybe you think they will be found lacking?
I have already told you. Your implication does not bother me.
Ok but, when you make statements, don't be bewildered when people ask you to back up those statements.
I'm not bewildered and expect it. It is very typical.
Is this the typical missionary response?