LDS Freedom Forum

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 1:45 pm

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 11:18 am

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 11:07 am

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 11:05 am

I have already told you. Your implication does not bother me.

Ok but, when you make statements, don't be bewildered when people ask you to back up those statements.

I'm not bewildered and expect it. It is very typical.

Is this the typical missionary response?

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 3:11 pm

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 1:45 pm

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 11:18 am

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 11:07 am

Ok but, when you make statements, don't be bewildered when people ask you to back up those statements.

I'm not bewildered and expect it. It is very typical.

Is this the typical missionary response?

Do you want a missionary?

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 10:17 am

SJR3t2 wrote: ↑December 25th, 2022, 8:19 am

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 9:19 am Lots of interesting judges here. I've never heard of you and your great "fruits", but I do know something about the Prophet Joseph F. Smith and his son, the Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith. I have read their words and studied their lives. You are woefully wrong about them. Particularly if you think they don't have as much right to be as fallible as anyone, despite their achievements, which I don't know what your great achievements are. Your judgments are critical, I encourage you to examine YOURSELF and shut your mouths when you are tempted by satan to say critical things about people that others hold as prophets and who just might be right about that.

Please share what fruits of a prophet he has, of a seer he has and fruits of a revelator he has as you claim he has fruits of those three titles.

In Matt 7:15-20 Jesus teaches us that we shall know prophets by their fruits. Matt 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Jesus did not say you shall know their fruits of being a prophet after you believe you believe they are a prophet. On the contrary, Jesus is showing us one important principle of not being deceived. Before you can know that some is the title that they claim to have from God, you must know of their fruits. We must have knowledge of the fruits of the title before we can study it out in our minds before we take it to the Lord for confirmation that the title comes from Him, see D&C 9:8.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2015/10/04/in-h ... yesterday/

You won't believe the answers so why ask the questions?
To contend.

cachemagic wrote: ↑December 19th, 2022, 3:33 am So where can a person find the Restored Scriptures?

abijah wrote: ↑December 26th, 2022, 10:40 am

cachemagic wrote: ↑December 19th, 2022, 3:33 am So where can a person find the Restored Scriptures?

From God, like always.

Interesting how you capitalize "Restored Scriptures", as if some label must needs be assigned, or as if some certification-of-legitimacy is in order. LDS love to outsource truth, it's *always* something that should be determined by our holders-of-keys (if youre righteous), who are totally not scripturally illiterate.

Joseph himself didn't use JST, for a reason .Prophets are allowed to have speculative endeavours that don't define them or their ministry. Imagine how awful that would be to prophets who ade concerned about walking in truth, that every word and move will be scrutinized to find some deeper cosmic meaning of what God is trying to say. Sounds like hell.

There are deep mistruths in the JST. The 'corrections' about Pharaoh hardening his heart, or about Saul getting an evil spirit from the LORD are literally satanic, literally going to God's mouth and saying "these words doth offend me", when in actuality it's speaking to deeper realities and truths than what people would assume at the outset.

JST is a snare to this Church, I wouldn't be surprised if God had some things to say about it.

cachemagic wrote: ↑December 19th, 2022, 3:33 am

abijah wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 9:42 pm

Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 8:42 pm There are too many errors in the JST to recognize it as scripture. In my opinion, there are many things that Joseph Changed that he shouldn't have. There are many things he changed and then changed again and even later unchanged once he realized what it was saying. The JST teaches many errors that the original does not.

~Seeker

Agreed. JST is a common idol for LDS.

So where can a person find the Restored Scriptures?

Luke wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 12:50 pm He wasn’t reading from the JST/IV when he had the vision, so there would be no need to reference it. It only makes sense to reference what was actually being read from at the time.

illuminating.Grace wrote: ↑December 28th, 2022, 12:11 pm

cachemagic wrote: ↑December 19th, 2022, 3:33 am

abijah wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 9:42 pm

Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 8:42 pm There are too many errors in the JST to recognize it as scripture. In my opinion, there are many things that Joseph Changed that he shouldn't have. There are many things he changed and then changed again and even later unchanged once he realized what it was saying. The JST teaches many errors that the original does not.

~Seeker

Agreed. JST is a common idol for LDS.

So where can a person find the Restored Scriptures?

One place that you can find the restored scriptures, is within Gospel Library... Unfortunately rather tucked away
in honoring the copyright laws that have been given for the JST scriptures, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has not implemented a full published version of them, as a bible fully restored. Rather, they have published only the changes, so as to not break copyright of what I believe was an offshoot religion, stemming from a post Joseph Smith religion, as an offshoot established by Emma, of which, copyrighted the rights to the published restored scriptures thus allowing Satan to withhold precious truths longer from the world that needs to read them.

Therefore, to get to the presently published restored scriptures in Gospel Library, one must navigate to (see photos)

Also, separately, read Joseph Smith History from the pearl of the great price, to find the restored verses of Malachi.

You can make your own section, as I did to locate them faster.

1. Scriptures

2. Study Helps

3. Joseph Smith Translation Appendix
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Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 9:19 am Lots of interesting judges here. I've never heard of you and your great "fruits", but I do know something about the Prophet Joseph F. Smith and his son, the Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith. I have read their words and studied their lives. You are woefully wrong about them. Particularly if you think they don't have as much right to be as fallible as anyone, despite their achievements, which I don't know what your great achievements are. Your judgments are critical, I encourage you to examine YOURSELF and shut your mouths when you are tempted by satan to say critical things about people that others hold as prophets and who just might be right about that.

Severus wrote: ↑December 28th, 2022, 3:34 pm

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 9:19 am Lots of interesting judges here. I've never heard of you and your great "fruits", but I do know something about the Prophet Joseph F. Smith and his son, the Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith. I have read their words and studied their lives. You are woefully wrong about them. Particularly if you think they don't have as much right to be as fallible as anyone, despite their achievements, which I don't know what your great achievements are. Your judgments are critical, I encourage you to examine YOURSELF and shut your mouths when you are tempted by satan to say critical things about people that others hold as prophets and who just might be right about that.

I have had the privilege of hearing a personal testimony of the Book of Mormon given by Joseph Fielding Smith when still very young. I have never heard and felt such a humble testimony before nor since nor felt the spirit as it came through JFS that afternoon. I had not been taught the gospel up to that time, didn't know what a true church was or an apostle or even the scriptures, but what I felt from him that day I will never forget and it has become the foundation of my own testimony over 60 years later. Definately his testimony had apostolic power.

While the other people in the room treated Elder Smith with disdain, acted embarrassed, and even turned on him in order to humiliate him, I was completely enthralled with what I could only describe then as something very VERY good coming through him from another and better world.

This was a game changer for me. My whole life became different because I heard the humble testimony of an Apostle who happened to be Joseph Fielding Smith.

I have a lot of fruit to show for this. Wow do I! I am so grateful this happened to me.

Luke wrote: ↑December 28th, 2022, 4:01 pm

Severus wrote: ↑December 28th, 2022, 3:34 pm

Craig Johnson wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 9:19 am Lots of interesting judges here. I've never heard of you and your great "fruits", but I do know something about the Prophet Joseph F. Smith and his son, the Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith. I have read their words and studied their lives. You are woefully wrong about them. Particularly if you think they don't have as much right to be as fallible as anyone, despite their achievements, which I don't know what your great achievements are. Your judgments are critical, I encourage you to examine YOURSELF and shut your mouths when you are tempted by satan to say critical things about people that others hold as prophets and who just might be right about that.

I have had the privilege of hearing a personal testimony of the Book of Mormon given by Joseph Fielding Smith when still very young. I have never heard and felt such a humble testimony before nor since nor felt the spirit as it came through JFS that afternoon. I had not been taught the gospel up to that time, didn't know what a true church was or an apostle or even the scriptures, but what I felt from him that day I will never forget and it has become the foundation of my own testimony over 60 years later. Definately his testimony had apostolic power.

While the other people in the room treated Elder Smith with disdain, acted embarrassed, and even turned on him in order to humiliate him, I was completely enthralled with what I could only describe then as something very VERY good coming through him from another and better world.

This was a game changer for me. My whole life became different because I heard the humble testimony of an Apostle who happened to be Joseph Fielding Smith.

I have a lot of fruit to show for this. Wow do I! I am so grateful this happened to me.

I think Joseph Fielding Smith was an exceptional man who did very well considering the circumstances he found himself in. Had he had his own way, things would have been a lot different.

Severus wrote: ↑December 28th, 2022, 3:34 pm
I have had the privilege of hearing a personal testimony of the Book of Mormon given by Joseph Fielding Smith when still very young. I have never heard and felt such a humble testimony before nor since nor felt the spirit as it came through JFS that afternoon. I had not been taught the gospel up to that time, didn't know what a true church was or an apostle or even the scriptures, but what I felt from him that day I will never forget and it has become the foundation of my own testimony over 60 years later. Definately his testimony had apostolic power.

While the other people in the room treated Elder Smith with disdain, acted embarrassed, and even turned on him in order to humiliate him, I was completely enthralled with what I could only describe then as something very VERY good coming through him from another and better world.

This was a game changer for me. My whole life became different because I heard the humble testimony of an Apostle who happened to be Joseph Fielding Smith.

I have a lot of fruit to show for this. Wow do I! I am so grateful this happened to me.

illuminating.Grace wrote: ↑December 28th, 2022, 12:11 pm

cachemagic wrote: ↑December 19th, 2022, 3:33 am

abijah wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 9:42 pm

Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 15th, 2022, 8:42 pm There are too many errors in the JST to recognize it as scripture. In my opinion, there are many things that Joseph Changed that he shouldn't have. There are many things he changed and then changed again and even later unchanged once he realized what it was saying. The JST teaches many errors that the original does not.

~Seeker

Agreed. JST is a common idol for LDS.

So where can a person find the Restored Scriptures?

One place that you can find the restored scriptures, is within Gospel Library... Unfortunately rather tucked away
in honoring the copyright laws that have been given for the JST scriptures, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has not implemented a full published version of them, as a bible fully restored. Rather, they have published only the changes, so as to not break copyright of what I believe was an offshoot religion, stemming from a post Joseph Smith religion, as an offshoot established by Emma, of which, copyrighted the rights to the published restored scriptures thus allowing Satan to withhold precious truths longer from the world that needs to read them.

Therefore, to get to the presently published restored scriptures in Gospel Library, one must navigate to (see photos)

Also, separately, read Joseph Smith History from the pearl of the great price, to find the restored verses of Malachi.

You can make your own section, as I did to locate them faster.

1. Scriptures

2. Study Helps

3. Joseph Smith Translation Appendix
Screenshot_20221228-115740-312.png
Screenshot_20221228-115759-353.png
Screenshot_20221228-115818-901.png