what is up with mr. glenn beck?

Blip · Post by **Blip** » March 29th, 2009, 2:17 am

I agree. However the time for pontifiction is over. Americans have had way to much time to pontificate and most have spent it watching entertainment with borrowed time. Did you know that many men spend their free time looking at porn? What a waste. How below me, and them too. I have had 3 months of freedom and it is a different challenge. I have used it wisely. My pontification is over. I have turned an about-face and ready for what comes. And yet so many take years and still nothing...Time is running short. I have looked at many sources and have made an easy conclusion based on the spirit. There simply is not enough time for details (and I do love details). To much time has been spent by all to frolic in the arts and thoughts. It is time to prepare for war. We are going to get caught with our pants down with all of this silly procrastination. We are in the jaws of hell and people are still apathetic. Even if we had 10 years, it would take every day of serious devotion to even block what is coming. Nevermind an offensive. Pick a side and run with it. To much time in conflict and argueing..........If we win I will think it a miracle. I have been "free" to make my "choices" and I got to tell you that I am unimpressed and somewhat dissapointed in this movement. I am more than satisfied with the leaders. I got to tell you that I am more impressed with the potential womens' soldierly than the mens' 70% of the time? You guys are all over the place. No discipline. I don't like the women's movement, but dang. I would rather train many of them....many of you guys SUCK. The women in this church are not near as apostate on average and got way more heart.....

I think I need to devote more time into understanding them...Way more loyal.

Blip · Post by **Blip** » March 29th, 2009, 2:38 am

I mean really. How many of you men take martial arts or go shooting? You got to practice a little more in the arts of war and less in the arts of the tongue. It is your job. Do you even workout. Get a punching bag for god's sake. Read "the art of war" you soft sissies. Develop some loyalties and forget your mental power struggle for a while. It is going to be real embarrassing for you when women have to bare the children, do manual labor around you, make a living, and eventually physically fight when needed. I saw 10 cases last week. 10 out of 11. What is this world coming too? DELETED by moderator Were is the warrior in man? Has this weak society beat it all out? Monson is to blame I am sure. Man up pontificators.

LukeAir2008 · Post by **LukeAir2008** » March 29th, 2009, 2:53 am

EFB · Post by **EFB** » March 29th, 2009, 8:21 am

firend wrote:does anyone know Alex Jones or Glenn Beck on here. Someone should invite them on. Now that would be a hoot!

ofcourse how would we know it is really them lol

I have never heard of Alex Jones. Does he have a talk show? If so, when? where?

lundbaek · Post by **lundbaek** » March 29th, 2009, 8:35 am

Blip, some of us probably have had enough of that what you suggest we get into. At 71 I certainly have.

pritchet1 · Post by **pritchet1** » March 29th, 2009, 8:48 am

http://www.infowars.com
http://www.prisonplanet.com

LittleLion · Post by **LittleLion** » March 29th, 2009, 9:05 am

I think, (I know most of you don't care what I think) that anyone in the media, be it msm or so called independent media, that come out with bits of truth like Beck, Jones, Rense and many of the other smaller outlets, have a desensitizing affect on people. I think anyone that is "allowed" to continue to bring out these "truths" are helping, usually unwittingly, the PTB by doing this.

Desensitizing people to what is coming is the aim of the PTB for obvious reasons. A desensitized person accepts whatever is forced upon them much easier. I think the PTB have done such a good job of controlling the information that gets to the people over the years, at least in the US, they have actually created a situation that if they don't desensitize people they will have a much harder time getting people to accept their programming.

Be very careful of who you demonize and who you place on a pedestal as far as people that are pushing any ideas in the mass media.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » March 29th, 2009, 11:09 am

I understand what you are saying here in regards to desensitization LL but I am concerned about another aspect of sensationalistic stuff that I often see coming out of the internet in groups like Prison planet and the like. Let me give an example.

A number of years back in Clintons years some of these far right media outlets who are into sensationalism were all up in arms about black helicopters with UN ensignia that were ready to come after all our freedoms and jack boot the population into submission. The New American did a study on it and concluded that it was just a bunch of hooey scare tactics being used with no real substanciation.

Now tell me what this kind of irresponsible rumor mongering does to Joe Q Public? He begins to discount all the verifiable intrusions of freedom as just the rantings of a bunch of kooks who are paranoid about nothing. This would actually work in the favor of those legitimate evil forces who actually want to take freedoms and rights away from us by just getting the public to marginalize any intrusion of freedom that comes along as crazy rantings from delusional people. Heck the gadiantons would probably want to plant a bunch of these sensationalists rumor mongers around so as to distract and demonize the freedom movement.

Therefore the irresponsible rumor mongers are really being used as useful idiots to the cause of tyranny. Like the boy who cried wolf one time to many. Beck says that he wants to verify things and not just go screaming wildly into the night. I think this is a good thing so as not to alienate those who are sitting on the fence about legit issues involving the intrusions of our rights and freedoms. We neen responsible fact finding not sensationalistic rumors if we want any credibility in the eyes of the public.

LittleLion · Post by **LittleLion** » March 29th, 2009, 2:01 pm

Mark wrote: Now tell me what this kind of irresponsible rumor mongering does to Joe Q Public?

I also see what you are saying Mark. There are a wide variety "voices" in the mass media. One of the problems I see is that almost all of the mass media world wide is owned by a very small handful of people. It is in their best interest to create as much confusion as possible about what they are really doing. So it is really hard for me to trust anyone in the mass media no matter if it is main stream or so called independent/alternative.

The other problem I have is that our politicians with the help of the msm continue to tell us what to think and how to think and they marginalize anyone that does not tow the party live. A major example of this is 5 hours after 911 Bush gets on TV and tells us never to tolerate conspiracy theories. What is up with that? Our own government tell us only they can let you know what happened and if you even entertain any other possibilities your a freaking nutcase. It starts with our government and the msm. People are marginalized for wanting the truth independent of the ruling class. This is a huge red flag if you ask me. Yet some people on this forum cant see it.

All mass media is suspect, every bit of it no matter what they say because of who is paying for it. Most people here know where to find truth, and it is not on TV, on the radio or in newspapers magazines or web pages.

John Q Public as you put it will believe anything that is shoved down their throats through any mass media because they have been trained to do so from birth. They will just gravitate towards the style of media that fits their preconceptions.

And Blip, my wife and I usually go shooting twice a month, even more. She can shoot man, I don't wanna be the one on the other end of the barrel if she is the one pulling the trigger. And the more stressful situation it is the better she gets. Scary....

WYp8riot · Post by **WYp8riot** » March 29th, 2009, 2:02 pm

Glad to see you posting again Mark.

I have appreciated a lot of info from info wars and Prison planet, however I have come to agreement with what you are saying and prefer sources such as the New American.

I still hold to the position that Those other sites are more accurate than the mainstream media that many opponents to them listen to.

Mark, do you subscribe to THE NEW AMERICAN?

FREEDOM HAS AN ADDRESS
http://www.jbs.org

jonnybreeves · Post by **jonnybreeves** » March 29th, 2009, 2:51 pm

In my opinion, the main way the secret combination works is through a Punch and Judy show...thesis and antithesis to distract us. Unfortunately, and ironically, when you still let their methods distract you from identifying your true friends and your enemies, their methods are still working on you. To suggest Alex Jones somehow has ulterior motives seems to suggest that he could somehow be a mole within the truth movement. I think this way of looking at the world simply divides us and keeps us from organizing as effectively as we otherwise could. In other words, the Punch and Judy show is still working.

Those of us on this forum who are suspicious of Alex Jones are not somehow looking deeper than the rest of us. On the contrary, you've lost track of who we are fighting. The one's who are disseminating the information...the one's who create the Punch and Judy show are our enemies. As we all know too well, most of our friends and family and country cannot see the show...Glenn Beck is probably in this category. Alex Jones, on the other hand, is very aware of the show. He may not do everything the way you or I would like, but he is not on the level of the Punch and Judy show creators, or the people who don't see the show. So I really don't understand the mistrust for him. If you don't like the way he disseminates information that is one thing. But to suggest he has these outlandish ulterior motives that are going to baffle his audience one day is really missing the whole picture of how the elite perform their mind control. Simply put, their mind control is still working on you if you are that mistrusting of Alex Jones. That mistrust and confusion they have created which divides us is much more powerful than any one subversive radio show host could ever be… Don’t you see? That is how they work. And that is one way they continue to succeed. It is simple.

2BFree · Post by **2BFree** » March 29th, 2009, 3:00 pm

I've been a member of the JBS for some 15 years now but I am afraid the organization has been corrupted or should I say have made some serious errors in their judgments as of late. They still are strict constitutionalists and stand by and defend the document to a point. One of these mistakes which I feel was quite petty and unprofessional was to fire their editor to the New American, William Norman Griggs especially while his wife lay sick in the hospital for the mere offense of him posting and article they chose not to publish in the magazine on his own blog. Another problem I see with the JBS is their reluctance to support the 911 Truth movement. I know we should put these things behind us and move forward together in the great cause of liberty due to the threat posed to us by the global elite and their minions. I just wanted to get that off my chest. I owe a lot of my initial knowledge of the great conspiracy and the NWO to the JBS and I appreciate that. They do good work but are still locked into the false left/right paradigm which is a fabrication of the NWO elites and which is carefully controlled by the money masters. As for Mark's assertions and accusations about the sensationalistic behavior of certain people, I only recall what the late Sen B Goldwater said, "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

pritchet1 · Post by **pritchet1** » March 29th, 2009, 5:22 pm

And Cleon Skousen said it way back when, "Go far enough right or left and you meet up with the same people."

Now that circle is tightening.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » March 29th, 2009, 5:35 pm

I do like a lot of what I have seen in the New American over the years WY. Bill Jasper is one of my favorite columnists. He is a bulldog and has been very thorough in much of his research. The OKC bombing was a perfect example. He was one of the very few that actually got to the bottom of that whole tragedy. I am interested in finding the truth about issues. I am not interested in a bunch of hype or sensationalism. That is why I am leery of both ends of the political media. I see a lot of irresponsible reporting with little or no verification of facts done from all sides of the spectrum.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » March 29th, 2009, 5:38 pm

And Cleon Skousen said it way back when, "Go far enough right or left and you meet up with the same people."

Cleon was a smart cookie Pritch.

jonnybreeves · Post by **jonnybreeves** » March 29th, 2009, 6:30 pm

We all agree that if you go far enough right or left you meet up with the same people. But we also agree this is not about right and left, right?

I agree with Mark that fact finding is the most important thing, and that approach is also the most influential and important to me. But some people are influenced by a little "sensationalism." Not sure why that necessarily detracts from the message if there are still places to go to find the analysis we're more comfortable with.

pritchet1 · Post by **pritchet1** » March 29th, 2009, 7:13 pm

Sensationalism becomes Yellow Journalism.

Remember Bro. Dunn's quote; "Never let the truth get in the way of a good story".

jonnybreeves · Post by **jonnybreeves** » March 29th, 2009, 8:22 pm

That's a good quote from Elder Dunn. My point is...is our priority good journalism or seeking the raw truth in whatever form? I believe Alex Jones is a seeker of truth first, journalist second, and sensationalist somewhere in-between. But a lot of people wouldn't have it any other way. That is who he is, the man willing to break into places like the Bohemian Grove...as opposed to waiting for a press pass and an invitation to sit beside George Stephanopoulos and Barbara Walters during the ‘Cremation of Care.’ Thanks for the reply, pritchet1.

pritchet1 · Post by **pritchet1** » March 29th, 2009, 8:39 pm

Alex Jones hires journalists. He is a radio and TV program person who likes to be out front. I see him as a watchman. I have not seen him cry wolf to many times yet.

I also do not see his stuff as Yellow Journalism until he starts bad-mouthing Glen Beck and the gospel as we know it. Some of his (recent) hires have no love for Mormons or the fullness of the gospel.

WYp8riot · Post by **WYp8riot** » March 29th, 2009, 8:39 pm

I wouldn't expect perfection from Glen Beck or Alex Jones.

They have both disappointed me on a few issues. I also think they have both done a lot for the truth movement.
I think Alex Jones would natuarally be a bit frustrated that Beck is now addressing truths Alex Jones has been discussing for some time.
The other day Beck was swearing on the air.
A while back Jones was one of 2 guests on a program and Jones kept aggressively injecting promotion of his coverage of issues the other guest was discussing. It seemed Jones wanted to make sure he got credit for it and was going to be heard if it meant jumping into the conversation in what appeared as less than humble approach.

Have either motivated people to change the position of 200 plus congressmen so that we can turn things around?
What positive effects are their influence having?

-Paul

pritchet1 · Post by **pritchet1** » March 29th, 2009, 9:06 pm

Alex Jones likes his ego stroked and he likes to get credit for being on first base first. He is full of pride.

I don't like his badgering of those who may disagree with him on particular issues. I also notice besides being a loud mouth, cigar-chomping belligerent, he has a lot of "self love". Perhaps that is necessary in a showman to get attention. But when he starts going into a rage and temper-tantrumming, I have to go fast-forward on him.

He also seems to get stuck in the groove and one-notedness(tm) on topics. After a week of listening to him, he becomes too predictable in his preaching exercises.

Glen Beck on the other hand, seems to be too much into his "feminine" side on camera. And he recently seems to have his hands tied, figuratively speaking. Weeping in a testimony meeting is one thing, but doing so on national camera just seems to come across wrong. It is hard to catch his signals.

Mosby · Post by **Mosby** » March 29th, 2009, 9:11 pm

I mean really. How many of you men take martial arts or go shooting? You got to practice a little more in the arts of war and less in the arts of the tongue. It is your job. Do you even workout. Get a punching bag for god's sake. Read "the art of war" you soft sissies. Develop some loyalties and forget your mental power struggle for a while. It is going to be real embarrassing for you when women have to bare the children, do manual labor around you, make a living, and eventually physically fight when needed. I saw 10 cases last week. 10 out of 11. Do they wipe your @sses too? What is this world coming too? Were is the warrior in man? Has this weak society beat it all out? Monson is to blame I am sure. Man up pontificators

Blip- please take your medicine before posting on this, I enjoy your ramblings much better that way................

BTW- I'm sure if you spent any time with some of the posters on this site I'm confident you would find the "warrior in man" and just remember that the "art of war" is always won in the end by the "art of the tongue"...............

"The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities... It is best to win without fighting."..................Sun-Tzu

jonnybreeves · Post by **jonnybreeves** » March 29th, 2009, 9:35 pm

pritchet1,
Pride isn't the first word that comes to my mind when I see someone willing to cast himself into a lions den of sheeple like this for our freedoms:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptsbCwcbrfc

creator · Post by **creator** » March 29th, 2009, 9:35 pm

WYp8riot wrote:Have either motivated people to change the position of 200 plus congressmen so that we can turn things around?
What positive effects are their influence having?

As I see it, they both do good in different ways... Glenn Beck is encouraging people to read The Five Thousands Year Leap and other Skousen books, which will help them learn the principles of Freedom. Alex Jones is waking people up to the Secret Combinations. Honestly, I think both are important, and you shouldn't neglect one or the other.

If you learn about the Secret Combinations and have no understanding of the principles of Freedom you may end up promoting ideas that are contrary to principle. On the other hand if you learn the principles of freedom and don't understand the Secret Combinations you are more likely be deceived. An understanding of both is necessary.

There are many who don't want anything to do with learning about Secret Combinations. I like what President Foust said in 2007:
"It is not good practice to become intrigued by Satan and his mysteries. No good can come from getting close to evil... However, President Brigham Young said that it is important to "study . . . evil, and its consequences." Since Satan is the author of all the evil in the world, it is essential therefore to realize that he is the influence behind the opposition to the work of God."... "And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—and thus the devil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell."... "He is working under such perfect disguise that many do not recognize either him or his methods. (The Forces That Will Save Us)

lundbaek · Post by **lundbaek** » March 29th, 2009, 9:42 pm

"soft sissies" are we now, Blip? Need our deleted wiped, do we, Blip? Guys that come on like you do I'd not want with me in a pinch.

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