Pardon my ignorance, but what are FTMs?
When I see that I think "female to male" trans, which it obviously is not in context of your post. One of the hazards of living in a post-modern society I guess.
Pardon my ignorance, but what are FTMs?
Post by Cruiserdude »
Full time missionary
Being free should not be limited to the United States. Now that no one is free, the constitution acts as a guide for any nation of people wishing to be.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 2:29 amJust one initial point; I currently teach the investigators class during Sunday school.jonubg wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 10:59 pm If you were going to write a letter to the leaders of the Church about your concerns and questions, what would you write? PLEASE SHARE YOUR CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS!!!!!!
My questions:
Why are you stressing a Vaccine that has proven to be harmful and contrary to faith and the Word of Wisdom?
Why are you promoting climate change at BYU?
Why do our missionaries have so many rules that prevent them from proselyting? Our FTMs are encouraged not to go door to door and not to do mall displays. Also, they are not allowed to go on splits with members or go to members houses for dinner.
Why did we get rid of the investigator class during Sunday school?
Why is Deseret News so one sided to the left?
Why did you support the protection of marriage act?
Why are we supporting agenda 2030?
Why do we donate money to charity organizations such as UNICEFF that do not share our beliefs?
My concerns:
Pandering, I joined the Church in 1983 when Spencer W Kimball was president. I was called on my mission by President Kimball. I have never experienced church leaders pandering to the world until the last few years it is very confusing. Can you give me an explanation for why you are doing this? Could it be like Abraham when he told the Egyptians that Sarah was his sister? Or is it from some other reason such as keeping the Temples open.
I have a very conservative constitutional friend who has investigated the church and has had the missionaries go through the lessons with him twice. This was before the pandemic and the left turn that the Church has made. I fear that once he finds out that the church is promoting the phony vaccine and other liberal agendas, he would never want to join so I have not been promoting the church to him. I feel like we are alienating the very people we would want to join our church. Why is this?
We have a local Christian church in my area that did not promote the phony pandemic or adhere to the overreaches of local government and their membership went from 700 members to 6000 members in a 6-month period. I wonder what our church could have done if we would have stuck to conservative constitutional values during the pandemic.
Why does the church not stress or teach the constitution. Most members now little about the importance of the constitution or why it is so important to our future. I wish we could study the constitution for a year in Sunday school like we do with each scripture canon. I laugh when I hear the prophecy of how the elders will someday step forward to save the constitution.
Why do the church leaders no longer talk about preparedness?
Secondly, there are more church members outside the US. Why would they have any interest in spending a year studying the US Constitution?
I agree with your points about missionary work. It seems to be all about ensuring the missionaries have a good time.
Also agree with the rest of your comments.
Post by Robin Hood »
Surely they would study their own constitution.Fred wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 11:26 amBeing free should not be limited to the United States. Now that no one is free, the constitution acts as a guide for any nation of people wishing to be.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 2:29 amJust one initial point; I currently teach the investigators class during Sunday school.jonubg wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 10:59 pm If you were going to write a letter to the leaders of the Church about your concerns and questions, what would you write? PLEASE SHARE YOUR CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS!!!!!!
My questions:
Why are you stressing a Vaccine that has proven to be harmful and contrary to faith and the Word of Wisdom?
Why are you promoting climate change at BYU?
Why do our missionaries have so many rules that prevent them from proselyting? Our FTMs are encouraged not to go door to door and not to do mall displays. Also, they are not allowed to go on splits with members or go to members houses for dinner.
Why did we get rid of the investigator class during Sunday school?
Why is Deseret News so one sided to the left?
Why did you support the protection of marriage act?
Why are we supporting agenda 2030?
Why do we donate money to charity organizations such as UNICEFF that do not share our beliefs?
My concerns:
Pandering, I joined the Church in 1983 when Spencer W Kimball was president. I was called on my mission by President Kimball. I have never experienced church leaders pandering to the world until the last few years it is very confusing. Can you give me an explanation for why you are doing this? Could it be like Abraham when he told the Egyptians that Sarah was his sister? Or is it from some other reason such as keeping the Temples open.
I have a very conservative constitutional friend who has investigated the church and has had the missionaries go through the lessons with him twice. This was before the pandemic and the left turn that the Church has made. I fear that once he finds out that the church is promoting the phony vaccine and other liberal agendas, he would never want to join so I have not been promoting the church to him. I feel like we are alienating the very people we would want to join our church. Why is this?
We have a local Christian church in my area that did not promote the phony pandemic or adhere to the overreaches of local government and their membership went from 700 members to 6000 members in a 6-month period. I wonder what our church could have done if we would have stuck to conservative constitutional values during the pandemic.
Why does the church not stress or teach the constitution. Most members now little about the importance of the constitution or why it is so important to our future. I wish we could study the constitution for a year in Sunday school like we do with each scripture canon. I laugh when I hear the prophecy of how the elders will someday step forward to save the constitution.
Why do the church leaders no longer talk about preparedness?
Secondly, there are more church members outside the US. Why would they have any interest in spending a year studying the US Constitution?
I agree with your points about missionary work. It seems to be all about ensuring the missionaries have a good time.
Also agree with the rest of your comments.
Post by FoxMammaWisdom »
I thought the same thing
Post by FoxMammaWisdom »
The sum and substance of the church in 15 words or less.The Red Pill wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 7:46 am The Church went into FULL BLOWN apostasy with Brigham Young....they don't give a rats.
Good plan. Particularly if it was inspired by God.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 12:02 pmSurely they would study their own constitution.Fred wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 11:26 amBeing free should not be limited to the United States. Now that no one is free, the constitution acts as a guide for any nation of people wishing to be.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 2:29 amJust one initial point; I currently teach the investigators class during Sunday school.jonubg wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 10:59 pm If you were going to write a letter to the leaders of the Church about your concerns and questions, what would you write? PLEASE SHARE YOUR CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS!!!!!!
My questions:
Why are you stressing a Vaccine that has proven to be harmful and contrary to faith and the Word of Wisdom?
Why are you promoting climate change at BYU?
Why do our missionaries have so many rules that prevent them from proselyting? Our FTMs are encouraged not to go door to door and not to do mall displays. Also, they are not allowed to go on splits with members or go to members houses for dinner.
Why did we get rid of the investigator class during Sunday school?
Why is Deseret News so one sided to the left?
Why did you support the protection of marriage act?
Why are we supporting agenda 2030?
Why do we donate money to charity organizations such as UNICEFF that do not share our beliefs?
My concerns:
Pandering, I joined the Church in 1983 when Spencer W Kimball was president. I was called on my mission by President Kimball. I have never experienced church leaders pandering to the world until the last few years it is very confusing. Can you give me an explanation for why you are doing this? Could it be like Abraham when he told the Egyptians that Sarah was his sister? Or is it from some other reason such as keeping the Temples open.
I have a very conservative constitutional friend who has investigated the church and has had the missionaries go through the lessons with him twice. This was before the pandemic and the left turn that the Church has made. I fear that once he finds out that the church is promoting the phony vaccine and other liberal agendas, he would never want to join so I have not been promoting the church to him. I feel like we are alienating the very people we would want to join our church. Why is this?
We have a local Christian church in my area that did not promote the phony pandemic or adhere to the overreaches of local government and their membership went from 700 members to 6000 members in a 6-month period. I wonder what our church could have done if we would have stuck to conservative constitutional values during the pandemic.
Why does the church not stress or teach the constitution. Most members now little about the importance of the constitution or why it is so important to our future. I wish we could study the constitution for a year in Sunday school like we do with each scripture canon. I laugh when I hear the prophecy of how the elders will someday step forward to save the constitution.
Why do the church leaders no longer talk about preparedness?
Secondly, there are more church members outside the US. Why would they have any interest in spending a year studying the US Constitution?
I agree with your points about missionary work. It seems to be all about ensuring the missionaries have a good time.
Also agree with the rest of your comments.
You forgot the vitamins. Don’t forget the vitamins.Letfreedumbring wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 1:28 am Patience. We must be prepared before we can hear the answers.
Stay tuned for the next conference...
Keep paying your tithing and Don't forget to drink your ovaltine.
I'd be more convinced if he had said Ivermectin.BenMcCrea wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 12:46 pmYou forgot the vitamins. Don’t forget the vitamins.Letfreedumbring wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 1:28 am Patience. We must be prepared before we can hear the answers.
Stay tuned for the next conference...
Keep paying your tithing and Don't forget to drink your ovaltine.
I hadn't heard about Oaks' involvement in the Dick and Brenda Miles scandal. What happened there?FoxMammaWisdom wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 10:40 am I wrote the leaders a letter when I was in president Monson's Ward before I left the church 10 years ago. My two main concerns were their treatment of the poor when they are gajillionaires and responsible for making sure there's no poor among them, and the fact that they have absolutely zero claim to any kind of actual spiritual experiences or meeting with the Lord - which means they took their thrones falsely as they are not supposed to be sitting in those seats unless they've met the Lord face to face and are acting according to his actual instructions. If they're not able to meet with the Lord face to face somebody else is supposed to be sitting in those seats who can not only claim but demonstrate that they are.
So they refused to answer my letter, and when I wrote another one explaining that they owe me an answer as a member of the church challenging them with criteria they themselves claim they should be fulfilling, they mocked me and said they have no answer.
So then I left the church and now 10 years later I have learned all kinds of new things.
So today I would ask them about the World reset and the mud flood temples 200 yrs ago, the fake genealogy, the trafficking through LDS adoption agency, the billion color flag the church is adopting and all the rules they threw out since I lost my recommend for stupid things they don't care about anymore, how Oaks helped Russell Nelson's daughter's pedophile ring disappear, I'd ask about all that railroad stuff too, and about how half the leaders (we know about so far) are members of skull and bones or other evil secret societies and how their names are on literally every entity running Utah and the surrounding states, why the leaders and their wives are walking around with the wrong gender markers like the elite gender inversion couples in Hollywood are, I'd ask about the alliance with the Rothschilds and their funding they've been taking since the beginning, their alliance with the New World order and Satan... prolly ask about some other things too.
(All the edits were typos.)
(One more just for fun)
Post by Robin Hood »
Gordon B. Hinckley once said that the British constitution was the greatest arrangement ever created by man over time, and the US constitution was the greatest ever created by man at the stroke of a pen.Fred wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 12:41 pmGood plan. Particularly if it was inspired by God.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 12:02 pmSurely they would study their own constitution.Fred wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 11:26 amBeing free should not be limited to the United States. Now that no one is free, the constitution acts as a guide for any nation of people wishing to be.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 2:29 am
Just one initial point; I currently teach the investigators class during Sunday school.
Secondly, there are more church members outside the US. Why would they have any interest in spending a year studying the US Constitution?
I agree with your points about missionary work. It seems to be all about ensuring the missionaries have a good time.
Also agree with the rest of your comments.
tribrac wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 11:18 am Would you please answer the three big questions of our time? These questions concern the very matters the church professes to have answers for, but you have not given anything substantial for a reasonable person to hold on to to start developing faith. Faith dies in kids before it has time to develop.
1- a response to darwinists and their fossils with a gospel explanation of how and when mankind came to be on the earth.
Life on this Earth has been going on for a long time and only in the garden was there no death, and for a limited period of time, is my guess. There are many things we don't know about the creation. It only got about three or four chapters, period. I would think that intelligent design and a limited amount of evolution would be a couple of the processes God used to create the Earth's life.
2-If Adam was created 5,000 years ago why are there 30,000 year old human or humanoid artifacts? The Biblical account of human history doesn't match archeology, so how can the two be circled into one truth?
I wonder if there were pre-adamites. Just because there weren't men on the Earth when Adam was created doesn't mean that there were never men on the Earth. Or different humanoids. Or maybe in Genesis it just meant that there were no godly men on the Earth. I don't know. We have such limited information.
3-A response to The LGBTQ movement. Why do some people have natural attractions that are not harmonious with traditional family roles? Is queer part of eternal identity? Is this a symptom of an advanced urban society? A result of chemicals, or was it here all along and the world finally accepted it?
It's a mental illness caused by hormone/chemical pollution/tampering, social conditioning, and abuse, I think. It's come and gone. Some ancient societies were incredibly homosexual and then they self-destructed/were destroyed. Ancient Greek males were 50-85% pederasts and now I'm guessing it would be a low single-digit percentage pederasts. So my guess is social and psychological conditioning can play a very big role in this sort of stuff.
I've heard that many secret societies have a prominent homosexual bent, but I don't have any personal knowledge of that.
Post by FoxMammaWisdom »
Oaks was in tight with the UT Supreme Court and could make it go away for them.Atrasado wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 1:16 pmI hadn't heard about Oaks' involvement in the Dick and Brenda Miles scandal. What happened there?FoxMammaWisdom wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 10:40 am I wrote the leaders a letter when I was in president Monson's Ward before I left the church 10 years ago. My two main concerns were their treatment of the poor when they are gajillionaires and responsible for making sure there's no poor among them, and the fact that they have absolutely zero claim to any kind of actual spiritual experiences or meeting with the Lord - which means they took their thrones falsely as they are not supposed to be sitting in those seats unless they've met the Lord face to face and are acting according to his actual instructions. If they're not able to meet with the Lord face to face somebody else is supposed to be sitting in those seats who can not only claim but demonstrate that they are.
So they refused to answer my letter, and when I wrote another one explaining that they owe me an answer as a member of the church challenging them with criteria they themselves claim they should be fulfilling, they mocked me and said they have no answer.
So then I left the church and now 10 years later I have learned all kinds of new things.
So today I would ask them about the World reset and the mud flood temples 200 yrs ago, the fake genealogy, the trafficking through LDS adoption agency, the billion color flag the church is adopting and all the rules they threw out since I lost my recommend for stupid things they don't care about anymore, how Oaks helped Russell Nelson's daughter's pedophile ring disappear, I'd ask about all that railroad stuff too, and about how half the leaders (we know about so far) are members of skull and bones or other evil secret societies and how their names are on literally every entity running Utah and the surrounding states, why the leaders and their wives are walking around with the wrong gender markers like the elite gender inversion couples in Hollywood are, I'd ask about the alliance with the Rothschilds and their funding they've been taking since the beginning, their alliance with the New World order and Satan... prolly ask about some other things too.
(All the edits were typos.)
(One more just for fun)
Post by endlessQuestions »
Eyring's leaked paystub and information indicates that he, at least, pays tithing on his salary from the Church. On gross . . . (good for him).
Post by The Red Pill »
Because he wasn't born then. We celebrate his birth every April 6th with a special church celebration, obviously.The Red Pill wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 2:26 pm Here's a question...
How come you don't bother to mention...REMEMBERING THE BIRTH OF CHRIST...on your list of what Christmas should be about???
Post by The Red Pill »
Not so fast...thaabit wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 2:55 pmBecause he wasn't born then. We celebrate his birth every April 6th with a special church celebration, obviously.The Red Pill wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 2:26 pm Here's a question...
How come you don't bother to mention...REMEMBERING THE BIRTH OF CHRIST...on your list of what Christmas should be about???
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