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The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 8th, 2022, 6:03 pm
by Letfreedumbring
Much like food storage, I thought it might be nice to see how well this has aged with its own thread.
viewtopic.php?t=68773 (talked about a FLDS polgyamous individual caught)
This thread could serve as its own LDS version of polygamy hash/rehash caught on tape, or with 1800s in text.
Thinker you opened up a whole can of polygamous worms!
This chart clearly shows that the modern day implementation of polygamy was not following scripture even if it was originally authorized. (See the requirements set forth in D&C 132 verses 61, 63 let alone several other times regarding general conduct of Leviticus 18, Exodus, etc)
It requests obtaining the consent of his first wife Emma (Emma was sealed to Joseph according the chronology of sealed marriages as the 11th wife)
Joseph married a lady and then her sister so he was married to sisters at the same time.
He also married a mother then a daughter (can't remember order) so again at the same time
He also married other men's current wives, non-members and members
Even Orson Pratt, the current apostle, was sent off to Israel, the holy land, on a mission by Joseph Smith speaking for the Lord and then Joseph was sealed to Orson's current wife, Sarah Pratt
In addition to that, Joseph Smith at the time of his death was not sealed to any of his living or dead children (nor Alvin who had died earlier and Joseph had a vision was in the Celestial Kingdom so essentially why we do temple work for the dead) or even his Joseph's parents.
Yet, he spent more time arguing with angels with drawn flaming swords to create forever families with brides on the younger side than with the existing individuals in his life that he was blessed with.
Is polygamy really about sealing families together or even the sealing power at all when very little of cementing the existing family units took place?
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 8th, 2022, 6:39 pm
by spiritMan
Letfreedumbring wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 6:03 pm
Much like food storage, I thought it might be nice to see how well this has aged with its own thread.
viewtopic.php?t=68773 (talked about a FLDS polgyamous individual caught)
This thread could serve as its own LDS version of polygamy hash/rehash caught on tape, or with 1800s in text.
Thinker you opened up a whole can of polygamous worms!
This chart clearly shows that the modern day implementation of polygamy was not following scripture even if it was originally authorized. (See the requirements set forth in D&C 132 verses 61, 63 let alone several other times regarding general conduct of Leviticus 18, Exodus, etc)
It requests obtaining the consent of his first wife Emma (Emma was sealed to Joseph according the chronology of sealed marriages as the 11th wife)
Joseph married a lady and then her sister so he was married to sisters at the same time.
He also married a mother then a daughter (can't remember order) so again at the same time
He also married other men's current wives, non-members and members
Even Orson Pratt, the current apostle, was sent off to Israel, the holy land, on a mission by Joseph Smith speaking for the Lord and then Joseph was sealed to Orson's current wife, Sarah Pratt
In addition to that, Joseph Smith at the time of his death was not sealed to any of his living or dead children (nor Alvin who had died earlier and Joseph had a vision was in the Celestial Kingdom so essentially why we do temple work for the dead) or even his Joseph's parents.
Yet, he spent more time arguing with angels with drawn flaming swords to create forever families with brides on the younger side than with the existing individuals in his life that he was blessed with.
Is polygamy really about sealing families together or even the sealing power at all when very little of cementing the existing family units took place?
You might want to do research into how little evidence there actually is for JS practicing polygamy from first-hand contemporary sources.
It's a load of crap that it is definitive that JS practiced polygamy. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't- but it is FAAAAR, FAAAR from conclusive that he did.
It IS conclusive that BY did it-but not JS.
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 8th, 2022, 7:00 pm
by Alexander
Wherefore, the course of the polygamy thread is one eternal round.
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 8th, 2022, 10:35 pm
by HereWeGo
Can't we just have one thread on the polygamy slugfest? Let people go to that one thread if they want to duke it out.
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 8th, 2022, 11:38 pm
by cab
Letfreedumbring wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 6:03 pm
Much like food storage, I thought it might be nice to see how well this has aged with its own thread.
viewtopic.php?t=68773 (talked about a FLDS polgyamous individual caught)
This thread could serve as its own LDS version of polygamy hash/rehash caught on tape, or with 1800s in text.
Thinker you opened up a whole can of polygamous worms!
This chart clearly shows that the modern day implementation of polygamy was not following scripture even if it was originally authorized. (See the requirements set forth in D&C 132 verses 61, 63 let alone several other times regarding general conduct of Leviticus 18, Exodus, etc)
It requests obtaining the consent of his first wife Emma (Emma was sealed to Joseph according the chronology of sealed marriages as the 11th wife)
Joseph married a lady and then her sister so he was married to sisters at the same time.
He also married a mother then a daughter (can't remember order) so again at the same time
He also married other men's current wives, non-members and members
Even Orson Pratt, the current apostle, was sent off to Israel, the holy land, on a mission by Joseph Smith speaking for the Lord and then Joseph was sealed to Orson's current wife, Sarah Pratt
In addition to that, Joseph Smith at the time of his death was not sealed to any of his living or dead children (nor Alvin who had died earlier and Joseph had a vision was in the Celestial Kingdom so essentially why we do temple work for the dead) or even his Joseph's parents.
Yet, he spent more time arguing with angels with drawn flaming swords to create forever families with brides on the younger side than with the existing individuals in his life that he was blessed with.
Is polygamy really about sealing families together or even the sealing power at all when very little of cementing the existing family units took place?
I’d like some added bubbles here…. Like who she married next BEFORE any claims of her having been married Joseph appeared…. Or date of death BEFORE any claims of her having been married to Joseph appeared…
Studying those two paper trails on each wife are what led me to seriously doubt this entire fiasco ever happened in the first place…
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 9th, 2022, 2:06 am
by HVDC
Sealings did not always equal marriage.
Ultimately everyone is supposed to be sealed to everyone in the reuniting of the human family.
Lots of deliberate confusion regarding this issue.
Sir H
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 9th, 2022, 2:26 am
by Robin Hood
HVDC wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 2:06 am
Sealings did not always equal marriage.
Ultimately everyone is supposed to be sealed to everyone in the reuniting of the human family.
Lots of deliberate confusion regarding this issue.
Sir H
Quite so. The conflation of sealing and marriage set in quite early on and took the church off on a tangent from which it has proved impossible to fully recover.
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 12th, 2022, 2:57 pm
by Jamescm
I want to make the note that making any sort of deal over "underage" comes off as inappropriate sensationalism. For one, the magical golden number of "18" for sexual adulthood is a modern invention that did not apply in Joseph's day, and especially wouldn't apply in the rural culture of his upbringing, or of the frontier he was continually pushed closer toward. Unless you fancy nature to be sexist, the innately agreeable matter of fact is that, by certainly fifteen or sixteen, a human woman had the biological and educational necessities to be a wife and mother. Honestly, with the propaganda fostered by universities, media, and the entire medical system, I could argue that hitting eighteen even today is naught but a legal and social necessity. I had a GED by sixteen, and the only things I learned earning a bachelor's is a combination of stuff I don't use and stuff that isn't true. I work with computers and my expertise has come almost exclusively from having done it as a hobby and through previous computer work experience, the rest is mostly attempts to scare me into trusting Gadianton's modern band.
Without any comment on whether or not Joseph married anyone besides Emma, or attempting to distinguish "sealing" from "marriage", that stuck out to me when I saw the chart.
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 12th, 2022, 10:56 pm
by Craig Johnson
Alexander wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 7:00 pm
Wherefore, the course of the polygamy thread is one eternal round.
Yes, stupid and mold go hand in hand.
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 13th, 2022, 4:03 am
by ransomme
Alexander wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 7:00 pm
Wherefore, the course of the polygamy thread is one eternal round.
Funny, but I don't think that is an accurate meaning/understanding.
viewtopic.php?p=1327602#p1327602
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 13th, 2022, 9:57 am
by Lexew1899
Finally, a post on polygamy on this forum. This is the first time I’ve ever seen this discussed here. I was beginning to think it was Verboten.
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 13th, 2022, 11:25 am
by Cruiserdude
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 13th, 2022, 9:40 pm
by Thinker
spiritMan wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 6:39 pm
Letfreedumbring wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 6:03 pm
Much like food storage, I thought it might be nice to see how well this has aged with its own thread.
viewtopic.php?t=68773 (talked about a FLDS polgyamous individual caught)
This thread could serve as its own LDS version of polygamy hash/rehash caught on tape, or with 1800s in text.
Thinker you opened up a whole can of polygamous worms!
This chart clearly shows that the modern day implementation of polygamy was not following scripture even if it was originally authorized. (See the requirements set forth in D&C 132 verses 61, 63 let alone several other times regarding general conduct of Leviticus 18, Exodus, etc)
It requests obtaining the consent of his first wife Emma (Emma was sealed to Joseph according the chronology of sealed marriages as the 11th wife)
Joseph married a lady and then her sister so he was married to sisters at the same time.
He also married a mother then a daughter (can't remember order) so again at the same time
He also married other men's current wives, non-members and members
Even Orson Pratt, the current apostle, was sent off to Israel, the holy land, on a mission by Joseph Smith speaking for the Lord and then Joseph was sealed to Orson's current wife, Sarah Pratt
In addition to that, Joseph Smith at the time of his death was not sealed to any of his living or dead children (nor Alvin who had died earlier and Joseph had a vision was in the Celestial Kingdom so essentially why we do temple work for the dead) or even his Joseph's parents.
Yet, he spent more time arguing with angels with drawn flaming swords to create forever families with brides on the younger side than with the existing individuals in his life that he was blessed with.
Is polygamy really about sealing families together or even the sealing power at all when very little of cementing the existing family units took place?
You might want to do research into how little evidence there actually is for JS practicing polygamy from first-hand contemporary sources.
It's a load of crap that it is definitive that JS practiced polygamy. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't- but it is FAAAAR, FAAAR from conclusive that he did.
It IS conclusive that BY did it-but not JS.
It seems that most historians agree that JS did, but I see it possible that BY may had kind of rewritten history.
Do you think JS, BY or someone else wrote the immoral unrighteous dominion stuff in D&C 132:54,56, 64 (… Pretending God demands marital behavior of his wife, or else she will be destroyed)?
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 14th, 2022, 4:02 am
by spiritMan
Thinker wrote: ↑December 13th, 2022, 9:40 pm
spiritMan wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 6:39 pm
Letfreedumbring wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 6:03 pm
Much like food storage, I thought it might be nice to see how well this has aged with its own thread.
viewtopic.php?t=68773 (talked about a FLDS polgyamous individual caught)
This thread could serve as its own LDS version of polygamy hash/rehash caught on tape, or with 1800s in text.
Thinker you opened up a whole can of polygamous worms!
This chart clearly shows that the modern day implementation of polygamy was not following scripture even if it was originally authorized. (See the requirements set forth in D&C 132 verses 61, 63 let alone several other times regarding general conduct of Leviticus 18, Exodus, etc)
It requests obtaining the consent of his first wife Emma (Emma was sealed to Joseph according the chronology of sealed marriages as the 11th wife)
Joseph married a lady and then her sister so he was married to sisters at the same time.
He also married a mother then a daughter (can't remember order) so again at the same time
He also married other men's current wives, non-members and members
Even Orson Pratt, the current apostle, was sent off to Israel, the holy land, on a mission by Joseph Smith speaking for the Lord and then Joseph was sealed to Orson's current wife, Sarah Pratt
In addition to that, Joseph Smith at the time of his death was not sealed to any of his living or dead children (nor Alvin who had died earlier and Joseph had a vision was in the Celestial Kingdom so essentially why we do temple work for the dead) or even his Joseph's parents.
Yet, he spent more time arguing with angels with drawn flaming swords to create forever families with brides on the younger side than with the existing individuals in his life that he was blessed with.
Is polygamy really about sealing families together or even the sealing power at all when very little of cementing the existing family units took place?
You might want to do research into how little evidence there actually is for JS practicing polygamy from first-hand contemporary sources.
It's a load of crap that it is definitive that JS practiced polygamy. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't- but it is FAAAAR, FAAAR from conclusive that he did.
It IS conclusive that BY did it-but not JS.
It seems that most historians agree that JS did, but I see it possible that BY may had kind of rewritten history.
Do you think JS, BY or someone else wrote the immoral unrighteous dominion stuff in D&C 132:54,56, 64 (… Pretending God demands marital behavior of his wife, or else she will be destroyed)?
BY.
DC 132 as we currently have it is a complete and utter fraud.
No original copy exists. How the original was destroyed is a he said/she said. Emma claims she never saw 132 or burned it. BY (or his lackeys) say she did. Classic he said/she said.
DC 132 is not written in the same voice or tone as other JS revelations. It was produced in the 1852 almost 10 years after it was given.
I absolutely believe JS had some revelation-but it was definitely NOT what we currently have in 132. To believe 132 is it, is to believe the fairytale wife-swapping of JS.
Re: The 2022 Can of Polygamous Worms
Posted: December 21st, 2022, 9:00 pm
by Thinker
spiritMan wrote: ↑December 14th, 2022, 4:02 am
Thinker wrote: ↑December 13th, 2022, 9:40 pm
spiritMan wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 6:39 pm
Letfreedumbring wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 6:03 pm
Much like food storage, I thought it might be nice to see how well this has aged with its own thread.
viewtopic.php?t=68773 (talked about a FLDS polgyamous individual caught)
This thread could serve as its own LDS version of polygamy hash/rehash caught on tape, or with 1800s in text.
Thinker you opened up a whole can of polygamous worms!
This chart clearly shows that the modern day implementation of polygamy was not following scripture even if it was originally authorized. (See the requirements set forth in D&C 132 verses 61, 63 let alone several other times regarding general conduct of Leviticus 18, Exodus, etc)
It requests obtaining the consent of his first wife Emma (Emma was sealed to Joseph according the chronology of sealed marriages as the 11th wife)
Joseph married a lady and then her sister so he was married to sisters at the same time.
He also married a mother then a daughter (can't remember order) so again at the same time
He also married other men's current wives, non-members and members
Even Orson Pratt, the current apostle, was sent off to Israel, the holy land, on a mission by Joseph Smith speaking for the Lord and then Joseph was sealed to Orson's current wife, Sarah Pratt
In addition to that, Joseph Smith at the time of his death was not sealed to any of his living or dead children (nor Alvin who had died earlier and Joseph had a vision was in the Celestial Kingdom so essentially why we do temple work for the dead) or even his Joseph's parents.
Yet, he spent more time arguing with angels with drawn flaming swords to create forever families with brides on the younger side than with the existing individuals in his life that he was blessed with.
Is polygamy really about sealing families together or even the sealing power at all when very little of cementing the existing family units took place?
You might want to do research into how little evidence there actually is for JS practicing polygamy from first-hand contemporary sources.
It's a load of crap that it is definitive that JS practiced polygamy. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't- but it is FAAAAR, FAAAR from conclusive that he did.
It IS conclusive that BY did it-but not JS.
It seems that most historians agree that JS did, but I see it possible that BY may had kind of rewritten history.
Do you think JS, BY or someone else wrote the immoral unrighteous dominion stuff in D&C 132:54,56, 64 (… Pretending God demands marital behavior of his wife, or else she will be destroyed)?
BY.
DC 132 as we currently have it is a complete and utter fraud.
No original copy exists. How the original was destroyed is a he said/she said. Emma claims she never saw 132 or burned it. BY (or his lackeys) say she did. Classic he said/she said.
DC 132 is not written in the same voice or tone as other JS revelations. It was produced in the 1852 almost 10 years after it was given.
I absolutely believe JS had some revelation-but it was definitely NOT what we currently have in 132. To believe 132 is it, is to believe the fairytale wife-swapping of JS.
Wow.
I’ve been a member all my life so how is this news to me? I guess as you implied, the status quote is accepted since there isn’t hard proof. Still, I agree that the tone is very different - & it contradicts past writings.
