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Posted: **December 8th, 2022, 5:33 pm**

Some heavenly manifestations are meant to be shared. Mormon taught that one of the principal reasons for the ministry of angels is so that those who receive their visitation can then bear testimony .

Why Does God Sometimes Send Angels to Help His Children?https://www.ldsliving.com/why-does-god- ... en/s/86921

Posted: **December 8th, 2022, 5:46 pm**

While on the subject of help from the Lord from beyond the veil, enjoy these.5 Awe-Inspiring Miracles Witnessed By the Pioneers.https://www.ldsdaily.com/church-lds/5-a ... -pioneers/

Posted: **December 10th, 2022, 9:37 am**

In the beginning of the church there was a consistent angel ministering - we knew who they were an what the messages were - today though no more angels no more expansive visiting like what happened in d and c -

[37] ... it is by faith that angels appear and minister unto men; wherefore, if these things have ceased wo be unto the children of men, for it is because of unbelief, and all is vain.

Posted: **December 10th, 2022, 9:47 am**

edify wrote: ↑December 10th, 2022, 9:37 am In the beginning of the church there was a consistent angel ministering - we knew who they were an what the messages were - today though no more angels no more expansive visiting like what happened in d and c -

[37] ... it is by faith that angels appear and minister unto men; wherefore, if these things have ceased wo be unto the children of men, for it is because of unbelief, and all is vain.

This is also part of the cycle of the rejection of God's invitation to become Zion. It happened with Moses, too. God invites people to ascend, shows great signs and wonders. People reject invitation, preferring religion instead. God gives to them according to their desires; signs, wonders, angels are no longer as relevant. When Jesus was born and sought to redeem the Jews, angels were present (visited Mary, shepherds, etc). Jesus shows great miracles, people reject invitation and like Moses, Jesus was taken from them (crucified) and the Jews were left to themselves. Same with Joseph Smith and the saints. One great exception was Enoch. That was a good cycle. Enoch and his city were taken up because Zion - a terrestrial society - was necessarily removed from this telestial world.

Posted: **December 10th, 2022, 10:18 am**

marc wrote: ↑December 10th, 2022, 9:47 am
edify wrote: ↑December 10th, 2022, 9:37 am In the beginning of the church there was a consistent angel ministering - we knew who they were an what the messages were - today though no more angels no more expansive visiting like what happened in d and c -

[37] ... it is by faith that angels appear and minister unto men; wherefore, if these things have ceased wo be unto the children of men, for it is because of unbelief, and all is vain.
This is also part of the cycle of the rejection of God's invitation to become Zion. It happened with Moses, too. God invites people to ascend, shows great signs and wonders. People reject invitation, preferring religion instead. God gives to them according to their desires; signs, wonders, angels are no longer as relevant. When Jesus was born and sought to redeem the Jews, angels were present (visited Mary, shepherds, etc). Jesus shows great miracles, people reject invitation and like Moses, Jesus was taken from them (crucified) and the Jews were left to themselves. Same with Joseph Smith and the saints. One great exception was Enoch. That was a good cycle. Enoch and his city were taken up because Zion - a terrestrial society - was necessarily removed from this telestial world.

I understand what your saying, but what about the generations after those who didn't experience those things, - I think things might change if God's power would come as in the days of old

Posted: **December 10th, 2022, 10:31 am**

edify wrote: ↑December 10th, 2022, 10:18 am
marc wrote: ↑December 10th, 2022, 9:47 am
edify wrote: ↑December 10th, 2022, 9:37 am In the beginning of the church there was a consistent angel ministering - we knew who they were an what the messages were - today though no more angels no more expansive visiting like what happened in d and c -

[37] ... it is by faith that angels appear and minister unto men; wherefore, if these things have ceased wo be unto the children of men, for it is because of unbelief, and all is vain.
This is also part of the cycle of the rejection of God's invitation to become Zion. It happened with Moses, too. God invites people to ascend, shows great signs and wonders. People reject invitation, preferring religion instead. God gives to them according to their desires; signs, wonders, angels are no longer as relevant. When Jesus was born and sought to redeem the Jews, angels were present (visited Mary, shepherds, etc). Jesus shows great miracles, people reject invitation and like Moses, Jesus was taken from them (crucified) and the Jews were left to themselves. Same with Joseph Smith and the saints. One great exception was Enoch. That was a good cycle. Enoch and his city were taken up because Zion - a terrestrial society - was necessarily removed from this telestial world.
I understand what your saying, but what about the generations after those who didn't experience those things, - I think things might change if God's power would come as in the days of old

Some people seem to believe in consequences that impact generations. If you believe in the traditional LDS story, you believe such a thing with the general idea of the great apostasy. That's a long time for no clear, public prophets, no visitation of angels providing people opportunities to ascend, it impacted generations that had nothing to do with ignoring Moses or Jesus, but for most people who believe in the Book of Mormon, this belief is more or less attached. Especially if you are all in on orthodox LDS doctrine. "some men were inspired and paved the way for the LDS church to succeed", "inspiration" for "some" seems to be all orthodox LDS doctrine allows for during the time of the great apostasy.

Posted: **December 10th, 2022, 12:20 pm**

In the LDS church I noticed it was their departed dead that ministered unto them............
I went to a lds baptism once......

I seen two see thru Spirits dressed in wrap around robes, they were leading another spirit a female to watch the man being baptised...........
I went to the man after his baptism and told him what I seen, he asked me to describe the woman, so I did, he exclaimed "Thats my wife she died some years ago!
Another man was getting Baptised again I seen two Spirits with wrap around robes leading a man and a woman whom appeared to be man and wife to watch the young mans baptism.
So after his baptism I went and told him and described the married couple. The man was suprised and said thats my grandparents they brought me up as a child, they died years ago..........
Another time I went to a mormon meeting I sat at the very front, one of the mormon leaders was speaking, suddenly I seen a Spirit, dressed again in a wrap round robe, he had a transparent blu-ish hue about him, he went up to the front , up the steps and stood behind the mormon leader, I immediatly recognised said spirit being, it was the Mormon leaders deceased Father, said spirit then lifted his hand and placed it apon his sons shoulder, as soon as he done so, his son the mormon leader burst into tears and began speaking about his dad.......
I told this lds leader what I seen, but he did not believe me as I was not a mormon and he walked away briskly.........
About ten minutes later he approached me again and said "what you seen was true because somebody else in the congregation has just told me the very same story as you. His wife had seen the very same.

"Jesus is Lord!"

Posted: **December 10th, 2022, 3:53 pm**

kirtland r.m. wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 5:33 pm Some heavenly manifestations are meant to be shared.

Hence the ATI at march8miracle.org.

Posted: **December 10th, 2022, 8:29 pm**

TheChristian wrote: ↑December 10th, 2022, 12:20 pm In the LDS church I noticed it was their departed dead that ministered unto them............
I went to a lds baptism once......

I seen two see thru Spirits dressed in wrap around robes, they were leading another spirit a female to watch the man being baptised...........
I went to the man after his baptism and told him what I seen, he asked me to describe the woman, so I did, he exclaimed "Thats my wife she died some years ago!
Another man was getting Baptised again I seen two Spirits with wrap around robes leading a man and a woman whom appeared to be man and wife to watch the young mans baptism.
So after his baptism I went and told him and described the married couple. The man was suprised and said thats my grandparents they brought me up as a child, they died years ago..........
Another time I went to a mormon meeting I sat at the very front, one of the mormon leaders was speaking, suddenly I seen a Spirit, dressed again in a wrap round robe, he had a transparent blu-ish hue about him, he went up to the front , up the steps and stood behind the mormon leader, I immediatly recognised said spirit being, it was the Mormon leaders deceased Father, said spirit then lifted his hand and placed it apon his sons shoulder, as soon as he done so, his son the mormon leader burst into tears and began speaking about his dad.......
I told this lds leader what I seen, but he did not believe me as I was not a mormon and he walked away briskly.........
About ten minutes later he approached me again and said "what you seen was true because somebody else in the congregation has just told me the very same story as you. His wife had seen the very same.

"Jesus is Lord!"

Thank you for sharing this.

Posted: **December 10th, 2022, 8:58 pm**

kirtland r.m. wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 5:33 pm Some heavenly manifestations are meant to be shared. Mormon taught that one of the principal reasons for the ministry of angels is so that those who receive their visitation can then bear testimony .

Why Does God Sometimes Send Angels to Help His Children?https://www.ldsliving.com/why-does-god- ... en/s/86921

I had one of my really good non member friends tell me the following dream that he had. I do not consider him to be a very religious person or someone who thinks about spiritual things. Also he is recovering from hip surgery.
This is what he said:
"I had dream the other night wherein a 6 foot male dressed in white and surrounded by light appeared at the foot of my bed. I was not scared by the figure in fact it brought a really good feeling into the room. He told me to put my hands up in the air, when I did so I could see blue electricity traveling between my hands like the Tesla coil effect".
He asked me what I thought. I told him it was probably his guardian angel come to help him heal from hip surgery or heal him from a possible future illness.
I would like to know what other people on this form would say to my good friend???????
One last point my friend has spent his life doing emergency life support missions using expensive jet airplanes. So he has witnessed many miracles.

Posted: **December 11th, 2022, 10:14 am**

My Mom is on hospice. She has some dementia. She spends a lot of time talking to people I can't see. If I try to ask her about it, she doesn't make sense. I wish there was a way to know if she really is seeing them.

Posted: **December 11th, 2022, 11:31 am**

OCDMOM wrote: ↑December 11th, 2022, 10:14 am My Mom is on hospice. She has some dementia. She spends a lot of time talking to people I can't see. If I try to ask her about it, she doesn't make sense. I wish there was a way to know if she really is seeing them.

The next time you visit your mother and she begins to speak to people you cant see, be still, and relax and pray in your mind to the Lord sincerely concerning what your mother is doing, keep your eyes open as you do so, you might imagine to see the movement of air like a faint mist being gently blown by a breeze, hold fast to such movement and continue to be still and perchance you will see more gentle movements of air, again be still exercise even the slightest particle of faith in said movements of air and you will see said movements are of Spirit personages and bye and bye you will see them but faintly as vague whiteish or blu-ish outlines if they be good spirits of just men that have passed on, if they be a greyish or darker appearance, having less and less light they are simply disembodied spirits of the deceased, friendly perchance, but passed out of this life not knowing Christ Jesus.
Come time the vague outlines of said spirits will become sharper and in focus and you will see features and their spirit bodies. Yet it will be hazy and dream like and one must keep focus and exercise faith in what one is percieving.
If and I say if your mother is speaking to deceased spirits this is a way to know.....

Posted: **December 11th, 2022, 9:21 pm**

TheChristian wrote: ↑December 11th, 2022, 11:31 am
OCDMOM wrote: ↑December 11th, 2022, 10:14 am My Mom is on hospice. She has some dementia. She spends a lot of time talking to people I can't see. If I try to ask her about it, she doesn't make sense. I wish there was a way to know if she really is seeing them.
The next time you visit your mother and she begins to speak to people you cant see, be still, and relax and pray in your mind to the Lord sincerely concerning what your mother is doing, keep your eyes open as you do so, you might imagine to see the movement of air like a faint mist being gently blown by a breeze, hold fast to such movement and continue to be still and perchance you will see more gentle movements of air, again be still exercise even the slightest particle of faith in said movements of air and you will see said movements are of Spirit personages and bye and bye you will see them but faintly as vague whiteish or blu-ish outlines if they be good spirits of just men that have passed on, if they be a greyish or darker appearance, having less and less light they are simply disembodied spirits of the deceased, friendly perchance, but passed out of this life not knowing Christ Jesus.
Come time the vague outlines of said spirits will become sharper and in focus and you will see features and their spirit bodies. Yet it will be hazy and dream like and one must keep focus and exercise faith in what one is percieving.
If and I say if your mother is speaking to deceased spirits this is a way to know.....

Thanks. My Mom lives with me. I am caring for her. I will try that and I will let you know how it goes.

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