It is getting harder to tell who the good guys are or if any at all

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It is getting harder to tell who the good guys are or if any at all

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While people are infuriated at the spurious outcomes of several elections, it may be of note of the other fraudulent vote possibly taking place under our very noises. I speak of the sustaining vote at General Conference. Is this just part of the litany of false representations of the "people's will"? Designed solely for those to go along to get along?

I put before you the fact that supposedly the two polar opposites in this world are singing on the same page of the hymnal. If you close your eyes for a moment and were to hear the message being preached by these two parties, putting aside appearances and preconceived notions, would it be the same? If so, what of it is the same? Yes we might hear lip service to gospel themes which at best are surface statements serving to reinforce the brand but what of real difference is there? Is it merely a variation such as fox news and cnn both telling us to get the jab?

It is quite strange to have both Klaus Z. Schwab and Russell M. Nelson, both of the Quorum of Globalist Prophets, approve of that wonderfully democratic leader Jacinda Ardern. Nelson went so far as to say “The world will discover they’ve got a real leader here."

https://www.thechurchnews.com/2019/5/20 ... en-mosques

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/01/jacinda-ardern/

https://vaxxter.com/new-zealand-in-tyra ... is-happen/

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I say they belong to the same quorum as they run international organizations of influence that are well funded and their funding never seems to fully make it to those who they are supposedly set up to help. There are always other more important projects. If you review their similarities, we find in unison they are delivering the same message at the same time. It seems the costumes are the only change, the message is the same.

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People get blinded by the Jesus messaging...while overlooking UN partnerships, deadly-jab urging, gay marriage bill support, donations to the NAACP, GAVI, UNICEF, good global citizen talk, agenda 2030 talk...and most recently...Bednar attending a climate conference.

Yep, WEF and LDS Corp. are following the same script.

Even Jim and Tammy Baker suckered people on the Jesus pitch.

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"Be a good global citizen."

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The Red Pill wrote: December 6th, 2022, 7:55 pm People get blinded by the Jesus messaging...while overlooking UN partnerships, deadly-jab urging, gay marriage bill support, donations to the NAACP, GAVI, UNICEF, good global citizen talk, agenda 2030 talk...and most recently...Bednar attending a climate conference.

Yep, WEF and LDS Corp. are following the same script.

Even Jim and Tammy Baker suckered people on the Jesus pitch.
Yes that was another thing what two organizations have "partnered" with the UN. On all the lists I see of UN partnerships, the only other christian organization I see is the catholic church and sometimes not even that. No evangelical christian group at all.

COP27 guess who stood out? David Bednar of the only other christian church in all the world on the list. The church has never been this far ahead of the curve but they have always been good followers of an established path. (See Facebook boycott then embrace. Psychiatry Stigmatism and Embrace, so on)

David Bednar, also of the Quorum of Globalist Apostles, cries climate repentance by day and his spare time cries repentance until Israel every 6 months.

https://climaterepentance.com/participants/

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I heard an apostle went. Didn't know it was Bednar, must have missed that in all the noise of the fake election. If we are supposed to stick with the majority of the 12, it's getting harder to discern which ones are in the right. So maybe 8 out of 15 have not been led astray?

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At least the LDS Church is revealing itself for what it is. The sinking ship.

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moving2zion wrote: December 6th, 2022, 8:20 pm I heard an apostle went. Didn't know it was Bednar, must have missed that in all the noise of the fake election. If we are supposed to stick with the majority of the 12, it's getting harder to discern which ones are in the right. So maybe 8 out of 15 have not been led astray?
I think you are being generous. There is no push back from any of the apostles on anything. If they've swallowed the climate change kool-aid they will probably be fine with Central Bank Digital Currency as well. If BYU goes cashless like other colleges have done, we will have our answer. Wait for it.

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Christianlee wrote: December 6th, 2022, 9:21 pm
moving2zion wrote: December 6th, 2022, 8:20 pm I heard an apostle went. Didn't know it was Bednar, must have missed that in all the noise of the fake election. If we are supposed to stick with the majority of the 12, it's getting harder to discern which ones are in the right. So maybe 8 out of 15 have not been led astray?
I think you are being generous. There is no push back from any of the apostles on anything. If they've swallowed the climate change kool-aid they will probably be fine with Central Bank Digital Currency as well. If BYU goes cashless like other colleges have done, we will have our answer. Wait for it.
We are just one emergency away. Merry Christmas!

https://cougarcash.byu.edu/cashless-campus

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moving2zion wrote: December 6th, 2022, 8:20 pm I heard an apostle went. Didn't know it was Bednar, must have missed that in all the noise of the fake election. If we are supposed to stick with the majority of the 12, it's getting harder to discern which ones are in the right. So maybe 8 out of 15 have not been led astray?
Your guess is as good as mine.

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What a nightmare. Down with Freedom yelled the president of BYU! I am finding few saints outside of UT that are willing to admit they went to BYU. My wife stopped donating to them years ago.

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Letfreedumbring wrote: December 6th, 2022, 9:42 pm
Christianlee wrote: December 6th, 2022, 9:21 pm
moving2zion wrote: December 6th, 2022, 8:20 pm I heard an apostle went. Didn't know it was Bednar, must have missed that in all the noise of the fake election. If we are supposed to stick with the majority of the 12, it's getting harder to discern which ones are in the right. So maybe 8 out of 15 have not been led astray?
I think you are being generous. There is no push back from any of the apostles on anything. If they've swallowed the climate change kool-aid they will probably be fine with Central Bank Digital Currency as well. If BYU goes cashless like other colleges have done, we will have our answer. Wait for it.
We are just one emergency away. Merry Christmas!

https://cougarcash.byu.edu/cashless-campus
A few months ago I went to the bishops storehouse to get a few more cans of food and was surprised they would not take my cash.

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Falling right in line with the New World Order.

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The Church does not want to accept cash because leadership can not be certain someone in the lower part of the organization will not steal it. Cash is not traceable. Checks and digital money can be traced and is less susceptible to theft. It is the reality of our times.

Lockers in the temples? What does that say about a people who covenant to be honest.
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Isaiah 56

9) All you wild beasts, you animals of the forest,
come and devour!

10) Their watchmen are altogether blind and unaware;
all of them are but dumb watchdogs unable to bark,
lolling seers fond of slumber.

11) Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable,
such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way,
every one after his own advantage.

12) Come, they say, let us get wine
and have our fill of liquor.
For tomorrow will be like today, only far better!

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There are "2" Churches Only.

1. The Church of the Lamb, lead by Jesus only.

2. All the rest plus your Corporation, fab 15, etc.

What's so hard about that?

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Letfreedumbring wrote: December 6th, 2022, 8:12 pm
The Red Pill wrote: December 6th, 2022, 7:55 pm People get blinded by the Jesus messaging...while overlooking UN partnerships, deadly-jab urging, gay marriage bill support, donations to the NAACP, GAVI, UNICEF, good global citizen talk, agenda 2030 talk...and most recently...Bednar attending a climate conference.

Yep, WEF and LDS Corp. are following the same script.

Even Jim and Tammy Baker suckered people on the Jesus pitch.
Yes that was another thing what two organizations have "partnered" with the UN. On all the lists I see of UN partnerships, the only other christian organization I see is the catholic church and sometimes not even that. No evangelical christian group at all.

COP27 guess who stood out? David Bednar of the only other christian church in all the world on the list. The church has never been this far ahead of the curve but they have always been good followers of an established path. (See Facebook boycott then embrace. Psychiatry Stigmatism and Embrace, so on)

David Bednar, also of the Quorum of Globalist Apostles, cries climate repentance by day and his spare time cries repentance until Israel every 6 months.

https://climaterepentance.com/participants/

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This is where the picture of Bednar and Dolan came from.

https://www.deseret.com/2017/3/10/20608 ... n-marriage

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https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... sus-christ

“Our greatest safety lies in following the word of the Lord given through His prophets, particularly the current president of the Church,” Elder Soares said. “I promise that as you walk with and listen to latter-day prophets and apostles, you will find yourself walking more with Jesus.“

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moving2zion wrote: December 6th, 2022, 8:20 pm I heard an apostle went. Didn't know it was Bednar, must have missed that in all the noise of the fake election. If we are supposed to stick with the majority of the 12, it's getting harder to discern which ones are in the right. So maybe 8 out of 15 have not been led astray?
It is highly unlikely that Joseph Smith told us to stick with the majority of the 12.

The source of this statement is William G. Nelson, published in 1906 in the Young Woman’s Journal 62 years after the death of Joseph Smith. There is no other source. Therefore it's hearsay at best.

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Mamabear wrote: December 7th, 2022, 5:06 am https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... sus-christ

“Our greatest safety lies in following the word of the Lord given through His prophets, particularly the current president of the Church,” Elder Soares said. “I promise that as you walk with and listen to latter-day prophets and apostles, you will find yourself walking more with Jesus.“
The culture of the church is to suck up to any and all leaders with more authority than yourself. Brownnosing the prophet has become essential in rising up thorough the ranks.

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Lineman1012 wrote: December 6th, 2022, 10:46 pm
Letfreedumbring wrote: December 6th, 2022, 9:42 pm
Christianlee wrote: December 6th, 2022, 9:21 pm
moving2zion wrote: December 6th, 2022, 8:20 pm I heard an apostle went. Didn't know it was Bednar, must have missed that in all the noise of the fake election. If we are supposed to stick with the majority of the 12, it's getting harder to discern which ones are in the right. So maybe 8 out of 15 have not been led astray?
I think you are being generous. There is no push back from any of the apostles on anything. If they've swallowed the climate change kool-aid they will probably be fine with Central Bank Digital Currency as well. If BYU goes cashless like other colleges have done, we will have our answer. Wait for it.
We are just one emergency away. Merry Christmas!

https://cougarcash.byu.edu/cashless-campus
A few months ago I went to the bishops storehouse to get a few more cans of food and was surprised they would not take my cash.
Well, then will they accept a SNAP card? That'll indicate they're onboard with government money

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Mindfields wrote: December 7th, 2022, 5:25 am
moving2zion wrote: December 6th, 2022, 8:20 pm I heard an apostle went. Didn't know it was Bednar, must have missed that in all the noise of the fake election. If we are supposed to stick with the majority of the 12, it's getting harder to discern which ones are in the right. So maybe 8 out of 15 have not been led astray?
It is highly unlikely that Joseph Smith told us to stick with the majority of the 12.

The source of this statement is William G. Nelson, published in 1906 in the Young Woman’s Journal 62 years after the death of Joseph Smith. There is no other source. Therefore it's hearsay at best.
I have confidently repeated things like this (stay with the majority by JS) when I was a died in the wool, True Blue Mormon. I thought that since I heard things like this in church that it must be true. I have been on a journey to learn truth for about 6 years now. Now, I try not to say anything unless I have specific documentation to back it up. I only accept documentation that was written during the time that things were said--not years and decades later. A published quote in 1906 (62 years after JS's death) is unacceptable.

I accept:
(1) Joseph Smith's words (good documentation required).
(2) the 4 standard works given to us by JS.
(3) any new revelations need to be direct words of the Savior or Thus sayeth the Lord.
(4) statements made by others which are backed up by the first 3 things.

There are a lot of things passed around which do not fit these categories. Listener should be aware of them.

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Mamabear wrote: December 7th, 2022, 5:06 am https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... sus-christ

“Our greatest safety lies in following the word of the Lord given through His prophets, particularly the current president of the Church,” Elder Soares said. “I promise that as you walk with and listen to latter-day prophets and apostles, you will find yourself walking more with Jesus.“
When you get blood clots and myocarditis, you could be walking with Jesus a whole lot sooner than you planned.

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Mamabear wrote: December 7th, 2022, 5:06 am https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.or ... sus-christ

“Our greatest safety lies in following the word of the Lord given through His prophets, particularly the current president of the Church,” Elder Soares said. “I promise that as you walk with and listen to latter-day prophets and apostles, you will find yourself walking more with Jesus.“
If you listened to RMN on the deadly-jab issue...yes...quite literally, you have a very good chance of walking with Jesus...IN THE SPIRIT WORLD...as in you assumed room temperature in an untimely manner.

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Does Jesus believe in big government, government social programs, labor unions, stealing from the productive to support the lazy, manmade climate change, property tax, abortion, church ruled by government, covid hoax, mask mandates, clot shot called a godsend, pay to attend temple, follow prophet before Jesus or God, secret societies, etc. like democrats do?

The Q15 are the same political party as Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Justin Trudeau, and all of the other left leaning communists, socialists, democrats, and satanists.

If there was even one of the Q15 that was a follower of Christ, would he not say so instead of condoning the actions of the others?

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HereWeGo wrote: December 7th, 2022, 3:22 pm
Mindfields wrote: December 7th, 2022, 5:25 am
moving2zion wrote: December 6th, 2022, 8:20 pm I heard an apostle went. Didn't know it was Bednar, must have missed that in all the noise of the fake election. If we are supposed to stick with the majority of the 12, it's getting harder to discern which ones are in the right. So maybe 8 out of 15 have not been led astray?
It is highly unlikely that Joseph Smith told us to stick with the majority of the 12.

The source of this statement is William G. Nelson, published in 1906 in the Young Woman’s Journal 62 years after the death of Joseph Smith. There is no other source. Therefore it's hearsay at best.
I have confidently repeated things like this (stay with the majority by JS) when I was a died in the wool, True Blue Mormon. I thought that since I heard things like this in church that it must be true. I have been on a journey to learn truth for about 6 years now. Now, I try not to say anything unless I have specific documentation to back it up. I only accept documentation that was written during the time that things were said--not years and decades later. A published quote in 1906 (62 years after JS's death) is unacceptable.

I accept:
(1) Joseph Smith's words (good documentation required).
(2) the 4 standard works given to us by JS.
(3) any new revelations need to be direct words of the Savior or Thus sayeth the Lord.
(4) statements made by others which are backed up by the first 3 things.

There are a lot of things passed around which do not fit these categories. Listener should be aware of them.
Since Brigham, Willard Richards and others were rather gifted in document doctoring...I would add the following:

1. Joseph Smith's words in his handwriting...that he reviewed and approved while he was still living. (None of this 9 years later, 8 years after his death, not in his handwriting BS...like section 132)

2. D&C 1835, 1844 editions. Joseph reviewed these. The Brigham tomfoolery had not entered the picture yet...for example, the 1835 edition section 101 CONDEMNED polygamy and praised monogamy. Brigham gave the heave-ho to section 101 when he inserted section 132. Few are aware of this fact.

The COMPLETE JST of the Bible is a treasure. The reorganized church sells it...but the Brighamite faction never saw the need for more than a few pages.

3. Post covid and the church partnership with the UN...I don't trust ANYTHING Q15 has to say. If Jesus appears and says it...I'm in...NO MORE TRUSTING MIDDLE MEN.

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