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Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 27th, 2009, 7:43 am
by ldsff
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DALLAS (AP) — A police officer was placed on administrative leave Thursday over a traffic stop involving an NFL player whom he kept in a hospital parking lot and threatened to arrest while his mother-in-law died inside the building.

Officer Robert Powell also drew his gun during the March 18 incident involving Houston Texans running back Ryan Moats in the Dallas suburb of Plano, police said.

“I can screw you over,” he said at one point in the videotaped incident. When another officer came with word that Moats’ mother-in-law was indeed dying, Powell’s response was: “All right. I’m almost done.”

Dallas Police Chief David Kunkle apologized to the family and announced that Powell would be on paid leave pending an internal investigation.

“When we at the command staff reviewed the tape, we were embarrassed, disappointed,” Kunkle said. “It’s hard to find the right word and still be professional in my role as the police chief. But the behavior was not appropriate.”

Powell, 25, a three-year member of the force, stopped Moats’ SUV outside Baylor Regional Medical Center at Plano after Moats rolled through a red light.

Police officials said Powell told his commanders he believed he was doing his job, and that he drew his gun but did not point it. Kunkle said Powell was not necessarily acting improperly when he pulled his weapon out, but that once he realized what was happening should have put the gun back, apologized and offered to help the family in any way.

“His behavior, in my opinion, did not exhibit the common sense, the discretion, the compassion that we expect our officers to exhibit,” Kunkle said.

Moats’ wife, who was in the car along with other relatives, said Powell pointed his weapon at her.

“He was pointing a gun at me as soon as I got out of the car,” Tamishia Moats told The Dallas Morning News.

The Moats family did not immediately return messages left by The Associated Press. Powell did not respond to requests for comment through the Dallas police union.

Video from a dashboard camera inside the officer’s vehicle, obtained by Dallas-Fort Worth station WFAA-TV, revealed an intense exchange in which the officer threatened to jail Moats.

He ordered Tamishia Moats, 27, to get back in the SUV, but after pausing for a few seconds, she and another woman rushed into the hospital. She was by the side of her mother, 45-year-old Jonetta Collinsworth, when she died a short time later from breast cancer.

“Get in there,” said Powell, yelling at Tamishia Moats as she exited the vehicle. “Let me see your hands!”

“Excuse me, my mom is dying,” Tamishia Moats said. “Do you understand?”

Ryan Moats explained that he waited until there was no traffic before proceeding through the red light. When Powell asked for proof of insurance, Moats grew more agitated and told the officer to go find it.

“My mother-in-law is dying! Right now! You’re wasting my time!” Moats yelled. “I don’t understand why you can’t understand that.”

As they argued, the officer got irritated.

“Shut your mouth,” the officer said. “You can either settle down and cooperate or I can just take you to jail for running a red light.”

By the time the 26-year-old NFL player received a ticket and a lecture from Powell, about 13 minutes had passed. When he and Collinsworth’s father entered the hospital, they learned Collinsworth was dead.

Kunkle said the video showed that Moats and his wife “exercised extraordinary patience, restraint in dealing with the behavior of our officer.”

“At no time did Mr. Moats identify himself as an NFL football player or expect any kind of special consideration,” Kunkle said. “He handled himself very, very well.”

The Moats family, who are black, said they can’t help but think that race might have played a part in the white officer’s behavior.

“I think he should lose his job,” Ryan Moats said.

When the exchange was at its most contentious, Powell said he could tow Moats’ SUV if he didn’t have insurance and that he could arrest him for fleeing because he didn’t immediately stop when Powell turned on his sirens. The pursuit lasted a little more than a minute.

“I can screw you over,” Powell said. “I’d rather not do that. Your attitude will dictate everything that happens.”


The ticket issued to Moats was dismissed, Dallas police spokesman Lt. Andy Harvey said.

Texans spokesman Kevin Cooper said the team had no comment.

Moats, a third-round draft choice of the Philadelphia Eagles in 2005 out of Louisiana Tech, was cut by the Eagles in August and later signed with the Texans. In three seasons as a backup, he’s rushed for 441 yards and scored four touchdowns.

He was a standout at Bishop Lynch High School, a private school in Dallas, rushing for more than 2,600 yards and 33 touchdowns as a senior.

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 27th, 2009, 8:51 am
by Mark
This incident will show that you and CHH are wrong about law enforcement as a whole in grouping them all together as a bunch of gadiantons. You just watch. This officer will be severely reprimanded by his superiors for his callous behavior. I bet he loses his job as a result of his arrogant non caring attitude. It will show that caring people can make a difference in our system. Bircher is right in that regard. When a community of moral people rise up in opposition to unrighteous acts good can still prevail. Follow this story and you will see that I am right here. That is why it is not wise to characterize entire groups of people into negative stereotypes like say "all cops are bad".

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 27th, 2009, 9:16 am
by jbalm
I think Mark likes to dress up like a cop sometimes.

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 27th, 2009, 9:33 am
by Mark
Just what do you like to dress up as bunny rabbit? Actually don't answer that. I 'd rather not know. :shock:

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 27th, 2009, 10:43 am
by Col. Flagg
Mark wrote:This incident will show that you and CHH are wrong about law enforcement as a whole in grouping them all together as a bunch of gadiantons. You just watch. This officer will be severely reprimanded by his superiors for his callous behavior. I bet he loses his job as a result of his arrogant non caring attitude. It will show that caring people can make a difference in our system. Bircher is right in that regard. When a community of moral people rise up in opposition to unrighteous acts good can still prevail. Follow this story and you will see that I am right here. That is why it is not wise to characterize entire groups of people into negative stereotypes like say "all cops are bad".
Amen Mark! This is indeed one area where Chris is wrong... you simply cannot stereotype an entire organziation like the nation's police force as wicked and corrupt because of what others may have done (unless of course you're talking about Washington, DC) :wink: . Yes, there are some bad apples and eggs out there, but as a whole, most Cops are good guys and would give you the shirt off their back if they had to.

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 27th, 2009, 11:02 am
by Spence
You'd have to see the whole tape. But if that is the way they were acting from the start, then something is up.

It sounded like the officer was on a power trip, but if the running back behaved that way throughout the entire encounter, I couldn't blame him. He still should have swallowed his pride and let him go realizing why he did run the red light in the first place.

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 28th, 2009, 11:06 am
by ldsff
Mark wrote:I bet he loses his job as a result of his arrogant non caring attitude.
I hope you are correct. I hate the actions of these agents of a corrupt government. This is just one more example after many I have posted of the tyranny that these "caring people" impose upon mankind. The NFL player was feeling scared, otherwise he would ran to see his dying mother in-law. I bet the thought of being shot or tasered to death kept the NFL player from seeing his mother in-law one last time.
Mark wrote:It will show that caring people can make a difference in our system. Bircher is right in that regard. When a community of moral people rise up in opposition to unrighteous acts good can still prevail.
I like what ROB GIBBSEN said:
ROB GIBBSEN wrote:Mark I do not think the people in control of the government (USA) has any authority to do anything until they repent and worship Christ. I believe this land was consecrated for those who follow and worship Christ. I believe anyone who does not worship Christ does not belong here. I understand this is not taught in church doctrine but it is the way I feel. Here is the scripture I base my feelings on:

Wherefore, this land is consecrated unto him whom he shall bring. And if it so be that they shall serve him according to the commandments which he hath given, it shall be a land of liberty unto them; wherefore, they shall never be brought down into captivity; if so, it shall be because of iniquity; for if iniquity shall abound cursed shall be the land for their sakes, but unto the righteous it shall be blessed forever. 2 Nephi 1:7

Captivity is what we are experiencing, too me that is an understatement, the word for me does not even begin to describe the massive weight and seriousness of the current situation we are now living in. I feel we need to get our house in order. First things first, repent and worship God. I think if this nation did that this would have a bigger impact on the world and evil then any other action.

Maybe I am missing the mark (no pun intended), I feel the scripture tells me what this country needs to do and any other action is pointless until then.
I also like what Darren has said:
Darren wrote: There are only two reasons to be in here in America.

If you read the predecessor Puritan New England Constitutions that our Constitution is based upon you will see very clearly that the New Englanders were not coming here as conquerors of the Native People. The New Englanders, in their Constitutions and with their Law Institutions were coming to America to share the Rights and Liberties of the Gospel with the Native People.

The Feudalists who got many feudalistic controls incorporated into that newest Puritan Constitution, The United States Constitution, had the Greco/Roman idea of conquering and subjugating the natives to their Government way to run things. And occupying the land with rents applied under the Feudalistic Empire.

With this in mind, it will be the people who live and work together on this land under the Rights of the Gospel and by Law that will be spared. The people who live on this land under the system of feudalistic controls and who trust in the arm of flesh will be cleansed, in the day of His wrath.

It is living by the Gospel of Christ that qualifies you to live on this land, by the most sure title given by the Chruch - Consecration and Stewardship - Ancient Anglo/Saxon Socage, or said another way, Law is the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and by living by the Law you share all things with Christ. Christ owns all things, we can only own anything as joint heirs with him.
I agree, there are good people who are cops just like there may have been good people who were Nazi's. They are however to me still representatives and symbols of corrupt power and tyranny. By their fruits we shall know them.

Peace,

ldsff :)

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 28th, 2009, 11:42 am
by Mark
I believe anyone who does not worship Christ does not belong here.

I do not agree with this statement in the slightest. Joseph Smith said that he would defend the rights of any individual no matter what their religious affiliation or worship patterns might be. He never ever said that he only felt Christians deserved the right to live in this land under constitutional protections. This is a misguided sentiment imo.

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 28th, 2009, 12:03 pm
by ldsff
Mark wrote:This is a misguided sentiment imo.
Well, I guess we may all have some of those :wink:

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 28th, 2009, 12:59 pm
by ithink
Mark wrote:This incident will show that you and CHH are wrong about law enforcement as a whole in grouping them all together as a bunch of gadiantons. You just watch. This officer will be severely reprimanded by his superiors for his callous behavior. I bet he loses his job as a result of his arrogant non caring attitude. It will show that caring people can make a difference in our system. Bircher is right in that regard. When a community of moral people rise up in opposition to unrighteous acts good can still prevail. Follow this story and you will see that I am right here. That is why it is not wise to characterize entire groups of people into negative stereotypes like say "all cops are bad".
RU kidding me? The attitude that "all cops are bad" is not because all are, it is because some are, and since the distinction cannot be made as to which are bad, then you must assume all are -- unless you are a fool and unless you wish to be tasered or shot. Christ understood this principle, which seems to escape anyone who disagrees that "all cops are bad" when he said "Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. " Now I ask you Mark et al: who but an officer can deliver you to the judge, with power to cast into prison? Can I? Can your neighbor? Can the desk clerk at the local hotel? Can the hamburger flipper at McDonalds? Clearly this is a reference to "the law" ie. the man with the badge and the gun! On the other side of the gun, Christ makes no distinction of whether YOU are good or bad, or whether YOU are guilty or innocent -- the injunction is simply to "agree with thine adversary (officer of the law) or go to jail and suffer the consequences!

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 28th, 2009, 2:32 pm
by will
You know some of these post remind me of Hitler and the false propaganda against the Jews. I don't side with facist ideas nor does the majority here.

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 28th, 2009, 2:40 pm
by Jew
will wrote:You know some of these post remind me of Hitler and the false propaganda against the Jews. I don't side with facist ideas nor does the majority here.
Which posts?

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 28th, 2009, 4:00 pm
by lamanite
ithink wrote:
Mark wrote:This incident will show that you and CHH are wrong about law enforcement as a whole in grouping them all together as a bunch of gadiantons. You just watch. This officer will be severely reprimanded by his superiors for his callous behavior. I bet he loses his job as a result of his arrogant non caring attitude. It will show that caring people can make a difference in our system. Bircher is right in that regard. When a community of moral people rise up in opposition to unrighteous acts good can still prevail. Follow this story and you will see that I am right here. That is why it is not wise to characterize entire groups of people into negative stereotypes like say "all cops are bad".
RU kidding me? The attitude that "all cops are bad" is not because all are, it is because some are, and since the distinction cannot be made as to which are bad, then you must assume all are -- unless you are a fool and unless you wish to be tasered or shot. Christ understood this principle, which seems to escape anyone who disagrees that "all cops are bad" when he said "Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. " Now I ask you Mark et al: who but an officer can deliver you to the judge, with power to cast into prison? Can I? Can your neighbor? Can the desk clerk at the local hotel? Can the hamburger flipper at McDonalds? Clearly this is a reference to "the law" ie. the man with the badge and the gun! On the other side of the gun, Christ makes no distinction of whether YOU are good or bad, or whether YOU are guilty or innocent -- the injunction is simply to "agree with thine adversary (officer of the law) or go to jail and suffer the consequences!
Whoa! Are kidding me?! That's some real backwards reasoning there. Because some cops are evil and you cannot make the distinction we must assume all are? I guess this justifies the "orthodox" Christian world in there bigoted views agains Mormons. They can't distinguish the fundy groups from the mainstream church. Or the jack Mormons from the good ones. Or even the evil ones hiding among us - the child abusers in cub scout positions, etc. Therefore they must assume we are ALL evil since they can't distinguish!

Yes, this does stink of Hitler's propoganda against the Jews. He blamed some Jews for Germany's economic problems and so he decided every Jew was an evil Jew and that was the propoganda that spewed forth.

By the way, when Christ advised that you agree with thine adversary quickly, it was not necessarily only soldiers or police who could throw you in jail. check out some of Christ's parables about debtors and it becomes very clear that if you cannot pay a debt or service owed to a fellow business-person or anyone you or your family made a contract with, they could take sue you at law and have you thrown in jail.

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 29th, 2009, 9:19 am
by ithink
lamanite wrote:
ithink wrote:
Mark wrote:This incident will show that you and CHH are wrong about law enforcement as a whole in grouping them all together as a bunch of gadiantons. You just watch. This officer will be severely reprimanded by his superiors for his callous behavior. I bet he loses his job as a result of his arrogant non caring attitude. It will show that caring people can make a difference in our system. Bircher is right in that regard. When a community of moral people rise up in opposition to unrighteous acts good can still prevail. Follow this story and you will see that I am right here. That is why it is not wise to characterize entire groups of people into negative stereotypes like say "all cops are bad".
RU kidding me? The attitude that "all cops are bad" is not because all are, it is because some are, and since the distinction cannot be made as to which are bad, then you must assume all are -- unless you are a fool and unless you wish to be tasered or shot. Christ understood this principle, which seems to escape anyone who disagrees that "all cops are bad" when he said "Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. " Now I ask you Mark et al: who but an officer can deliver you to the judge, with power to cast into prison? Can I? Can your neighbor? Can the desk clerk at the local hotel? Can the hamburger flipper at McDonalds? Clearly this is a reference to "the law" ie. the man with the badge and the gun! On the other side of the gun, Christ makes no distinction of whether YOU are good or bad, or whether YOU are guilty or innocent -- the injunction is simply to "agree with thine adversary (officer of the law) or go to jail and suffer the consequences!
Whoa! Are kidding me?! That's some real backwards reasoning there. Because some cops are evil and you cannot make the distinction we must assume all are? I guess this justifies the "orthodox" Christian world in there bigoted views agains Mormons. They can't distinguish the fundy groups from the mainstream church. Or the jack Mormons from the good ones. Or even the evil ones hiding among us - the child abusers in cub scout positions, etc. Therefore they must assume we are ALL evil since they can't distinguish!

Yes, this does stink of Hitler's propoganda against the Jews. He blamed some Jews for Germany's economic problems and so he decided every Jew was an evil Jew and that was the propoganda that spewed forth.

By the way, when Christ advised that you agree with thine adversary quickly, it was not necessarily only soldiers or police who could throw you in jail. check out some of Christ's parables about debtors and it becomes very clear that if you cannot pay a debt or service owed to a fellow business-person or anyone you or your family made a contract with, they could take sue you at law and have you thrown in jail.
No it is not backward, it is forward and fully reasonable and applicable to this earth. Wake up, we live in a telestial world. I almost got tased in my own house when I called a cop about my wife being assaulted. No, I don't trust anyone just because they have a "badge". We put on a lunch for the mission, and the entire lunch I overheard the mission president discussing and giving advice on how to get rich on the stock market. No, I don't trust anyone just because they have a "badge". I've been on a mission, and no, I don't trust anyone just because they have a "badge". I had a friend who went to the temple often, leaving his kids in the custody of a member friend while they traveled. As it turns out, that "friend" was sexually abusing the kids. No, I don't trust anyone just because they have a "badge".

All cops are evil translates into "don't trust anyone" more than you should. If the relationship requires an inch of trust, then give an inch, not two feet, and go from there. It's common sense.

True, the adversary could be others than officers, but it also still includes them -- does it not?

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 29th, 2009, 10:16 am
by will
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Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: March 29th, 2009, 11:48 am
by Jew
Jew wrote:
will wrote:You know some of these post remind me of Hitler and the false propaganda against the Jews. I don't side with facist ideas nor does the majority here.

hmmm

I guess I just don't understand your point. I am slow.

Thanks for taking the time.

Re: Local Terror Ring Ruins NFL player’s life.

Posted: April 1st, 2009, 10:32 pm
by ldsff
DALLAS (AP)—The police officer who pulled out his gun and threatened an NFL player with jail instead of allowing him inside a hospital where his mother-in-law was dying resigned Wednesday.

Officer Robert Powell had been placed on paid leave pending an investigation of the March 18 incident.

“I made this decision in the hope that my resignation will allow the Dallas Police Department, my fellow officers and the citizens of Dallas to better reflect on this experience, learn from the mistakes made, and move forward,” Powell said in a statement issued through his attorneys.

He had stopped Houston Texans running back Ryan Moats’ SUV outside Baylor Regional Medical Center in suburban Plano after the vehicle rolled through a red light.

The officer pulled out his gun and threatened Moats with jail as the player and his family pleaded to be allowed to go inside the hospital. Powell continued writing Moats a ticket and lecturing him even after a fellow officer confirmed that Moats’ mother-in-law was dying.

Jonetta Collinsworth, 45, died of breast cancer before Powell allowed Moats to go inside the hospital.

Powell’s resignation was first reported by Dallas-Fort Worth television station KTVT. He later issued an apology, and Moats said he would accept it.

“I still hope to speak with the Moats family to personally express my deep regret, sympathy, and to apologize for my poor judgment and unprofessional conduct,” he said in the Wednesday statement.

He also said he wanted to apologize to his fellow officers.

A call to Dallas police was not immediately returned Wednesday.

Dallas police Chief David Kunkle previously apologized to the family and said Powell acted inappropriately. He also lauded Moats’ restraint, noting that he did not try to seek special treatment by identifying himself as an NFL player.

Moats, 26, explained that he had waited until there was no traffic before continuing through the red light. When Powell asked for proof of insurance, Moats grew more agitated and told the officer to go find it.

According to video from a dashboard camera inside the officer’s vehicle, Moats’ wife, Tamishia Moats, and another woman disregarded Powell’s order to get back inside their vehicle, and they rushed into the hospital. After Powell yelled at Tamishia Moats to stay in the SUV, she said, “Excuse me, my mom is dying—do you understand?”