Mormons need to start fighting back against mockery- this is getting pathetic

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innocentoldguy wrote: November 29th, 2022, 10:49 am
spiritMan wrote: November 28th, 2022, 5:36 pm
innocentoldguy wrote: November 28th, 2022, 4:55 pm
spiritMan wrote: November 28th, 2022, 4:49 pm
That's what you think; I believe being a part of a Church and a faith community is important. It is important to submit oneself to a religious authority.

When the religious authorities teach gross immorality, I am under no obligation to continue to join myself to their religion.
:roll: How is the church teaching "gross immorality"?
Simple. Homosexual romantic behavior is condoned.
My friend was just excommunicated for dating other men. You should reach out to him and let him know they were just joking.
I think some people call this local leadership roulette. Some people in one place get treated one way and others get treated differently.

There isn't much the Church can do to prevent this from happening because every case is different and every bishopric and stake presidency is different. I don't know what can be done about this.

I am concerned with Church-wide things like the pronouns fiasco with Sister Eubanks or the Utah compact. I also find the sex abuse hotline policy to be abominable.

I think I notice a definite trend in the US membership to accept same-sex marriage and abortion rights. I think we take pornography much lighter than we ever have before. I also think many, if not most, members now believe that homosexuality is an immutable part of some people's eternal identity. When I was younger most Church members would have thought this to be ridiculous, which it is. We just don't have much spiritual common sense anymore because we are so careful not to offend.

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I think the problem is that we do not practice what we preach. We profess belief in scriptures that rail against homosexuality and then we cowtow to popular opinion by being soft on the subject.

Mike

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Enoch
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I find the comments amusing - this one cracked me up - like a simpsons halloween special

Rushclock

It writes itself into mockery. Baker's hats? Chanting in circles. Holy oil touching? Gangesk hand signals? Green aprons? A movie that defies current science? Ponchos? Dead baptisms? Temple begging rolls?

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At least somebody is fighting this crap.

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MikeMaillet wrote: November 30th, 2022, 5:04 pm I think the problem is that we do not practice what we preach. We profess belief in scriptures that rail against homosexuality and then we cowtow to popular opinion by being soft on the subject.

Mike
Don't we also profess to believe in the scriptures that say adultery, fornication, onanism, and other sexual sins are bad? And how do we handle those engaged in these behaviors? Do we shun and curse them, or do we love them and invite them to repent, forsake their sins, and realign themselves with Christ's teachings?

If we have patience and hope for one group of sinners, why wouldn't we treat another group the same way?

Also, I wouldn't say we're kowtowing, we're dealing with laws that the government is putting in place whether we like it or not, and trying to ensure our religious freedoms remain intact.

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Being There wrote: November 28th, 2022, 12:45 am
innocentoldguy wrote: November 28th, 2022, 12:29 am
Luke wrote: November 27th, 2022, 11:56 pm
innocentoldguy wrote: November 27th, 2022, 11:48 pm

If that's your position, why are you here?
I totally disagree with his perspective, but he has just as much right as you do to be here and share his opinions.
I'm not questioning his right to be here. I'm questioning his motivations and rewards. I have every right to go to an Islam website, for instance, and defecate all over their beliefs too, but I don't do it because I'm not a jerk and there's zero reward for me in doing so. I'm just curious why people who are against the church feel compelled to make accounts and comment on every forum they can find to say pointless and silly things like this.
say pointless and silly things.. lol.
you mean like you - a TBM - who like their leaders - say pointless and silly things
to try to justify anything and everything their corrupt church leaders say and do.
Yes, your post is an example of "silly things." Thanks for the object lesson.

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Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity.
For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb.

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innocentoldguy wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:05 pm
MikeMaillet wrote: November 30th, 2022, 5:04 pm I think the problem is that we do not practice what we preach. We profess belief in scriptures that rail against homosexuality and then we cowtow to popular opinion by being soft on the subject.

Mike
Don't we also profess to believe in the scriptures that say adultery, fornication, onanism, and other sexual sins are bad? And how do we handle those engaged in these behaviors? Do we shun and curse them, or do we love them and invite them to repent, forsake their sins, and realign themselves with Christ's teachings?

If we have patience and hope for one group of sinners, why wouldn't we treat another group the same way?

Also, I wouldn't say we're kowtowing, we're dealing with laws that the government is putting in place whether we like it or not, and trying to ensure our religious freedoms remain intact.
Yes, we do profess belief in other scriptures that deal with adultery... but what we are experiencing now is a massive concerted effort by our governments and major corporations to promote these deviant behaviours. I do believe in loving the sinner and doing everything to bring them back in a loving way, as described in D&C 121: 41-46.

Why is it that our church invests heavily in corporations that promote homosexuality? If we loved our neighbours/brothers/sisters and understood the scriptures we would quickly realize that there is no ascension for homosexuals and that homosexual behaviour is not permitted in Zion. Engaging in sodomy is akin to spitting in God's face and is an utter mockery of the life-giving gift we have have been given to propagate our species. Why is it that our church supports a law in the USA that protects the "rights" of homosexuals when it comes to marriage? Rights???

Earlier this summer I lost my temper at the local Walmart and punched out a rack of kids' clothing with gay crap on it. My wife was very upset with me because I made a scene and went on in a loud rant against the sexualization of children. I do not regret doing this; I was right, they were wrong. If we don't take a stand for what is right then we are accepting the things that are wrong.

If we want others to repent of their sins and come unto Christ then we better be the ones setting the example of what Christ-like behaviour looks like. Currently this is not the case. Our church is becoming infested with homosexuals and our church-owned schools are soft on the subject. We have lost the power of the Priesthood wherein our Prophet has absolutely no power to heal other than what he learned in a Babylonian school. Our Elders no longer seem to stand up for what is right and are more busy running a huge financial empire and writing vanity books.

Were we LDS not supposed to become a peculiar people and an example for the rest of the world? Most non-Mormons don't know much about our doctrine but they are keenly aware of our massive wealth. This is the example we are setting for the world and because we have failed to live in a way that takes care of the poor we will be swept off the promised land just like the Nephites of old. I don't think we fully appreciate the gravity of our situation but it will quickly become evident in the next few years that the world has been taken over by fallen angels and their followers. God will not hear our prayers because we are living in a way contrary to what He has taught. Isaiah chapter 3 describes our situation rather well.

Mike

Isaiah 3

8) Jerusalem will falter and Judea fall
because their tongue and their actions
are contrary to Jehovah,
an affront to his glory before his very eyes.

9) The look on their faces betrays them:
they flaunt their sin like Sodom;
they cannot hide it.
Woe to their souls;
they have brought disaster upon themselves!

10) Tell the righteous it shall be well with them;
they shall eat the fruits of their own labors.

11) But woe to the wicked
when calamity overtakes them:
they shall be paid back
for the deeds they have done!

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