Right - and easy to explain based on a spinning-ball earth model.Niemand wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 1:50 pmSpent a bit of time in New Zealand and Tasmania and same issue. It's the Southern Cross there (which is nowhere to be seen in Europe). Polaris is nowhere to be seen in Australia and New Zealand although the sky circles another pivotal point near the Southern Cross.BroJones wrote: ↑December 8th, 2022, 12:15 pm Can we agree to these facts?
1. In America and Europe, we can see the North Star (Polaris) and observe that other stars appear to rotate around this "pole star."
2. In Australia and South Africa, the North Star cannot even be seen in the sky.
PS - I have lived in America for many years and I spent about 2 weeks in South Africa - and I can personally attest to these observations.
This differs a lot by latitude. Most of the States is fairly southerly, i.e. towards the Equator, but in Canada, Alaska and northern Europe, there is a different sky to New Zealand and the south of Australia. The Sun bends into the horizon in all these places during their winters and it travels along the southern sky in Europe and the northern sky in New Zealand. In the far north of Europe, including Iceland and Norway, it doesn't get dark in high summer.
None of this is disputable at all.
And as h_p noted, "Either the disk spinning or the dome spinning is irrelevant. Can that rotation point be anywhere else within the dome and still give the same visual?
Then how could people on the outer part of the disk see a different rotation point?"
But how to explain with a flat-earth model? I don't see, I've never seen, an explanation for these observed, indisputable facts by flat-earthers.
(Start with the two numbered observations I listed above. Thanks.)