I love people who save me time. Thanks, LDSP (if you ever feel like apostatizing from LDSFF, maybe you could start a competing forum called "LDS Physician's Forum"... I don't think the creator could sue).LDS Physician wrote: ↑November 24th, 2022, 11:33 amStart around verse 42endlessismyname wrote: ↑November 24th, 2022, 11:23 amExcellent. I will take a look.LDS Physician wrote: ↑November 24th, 2022, 11:11 amThe solution has already been outlined in a prophecy listed in doctrine & covenants section 101.endlessismyname wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2022, 4:06 pm
Well, if it's the Lord's Church, we don't need to take it back...
... but what recourse do we have if there needs to be some housecleaning?
If the Lord was willing to reveal to us the nature of the problem (secret combinations), is it reasonable to assume that He also revealed to us the nature of the solution?
Or is He just going to take care of all this on His own (I'm willing to entertain the idea if someone has some evidence).
For discussion of liberty, freedom, government and politics.
Ha! It would be an unmitigated disaster! But I'll take the compliment! Happy Thanksgiving!endlessismyname wrote: ↑November 24th, 2022, 11:45 amI love people who save me time. Thanks, LDSP (if you ever feel like apostatizing from LDSFF, maybe you could start a competing forum called "LDS Physician's Forum"... I don't think the creator could sue).LDS Physician wrote: ↑November 24th, 2022, 11:33 amStart around verse 42
The Lord has a plan for that. It is detailed in Isaiah 1 and Doctrine and Covenants 1, a portion of which is:blitzinstripes wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2022, 4:35 pm When the system is corrupt from the top down, you can no longer work within the system for change. Just like in politics, I do not believe that our votes matter anymore, nor do I believe that America and other allied countries will be "saved" before the second coming.
The church is in the same shipwreck. Nothing the lay membership does at this point will matter. Only the Lord can fix it in his own due time.
Pray and wait. That's about it, imo. Worry about your own salvation and your close circle of family and friends. I couldn't really care less what happens to the corporate church, aka the suits in Salt Lake.
God's about to close the door to this ark.
2 For verily the voice of the Lord is unto all men, and there is none to escape; and there is no eye that shall not see, neither ear that shall not hear, neither heart that shall not be penetrated.
3 And the rebellious shall be pierced with much sorrow; for their iniquities shall be spoken upon the housetops, and their secret acts shall be revealed.
13 And the anger of the Lord is kindled, and his sword is bathed in heaven, and it shall fall upon the inhabitants of the earth.
14 And the arm of the Lord shall be revealed; and the day cometh that they who will not hear the voice of the Lord, neither the voice of his servants, neither give heed to the words of the prophets and apostles (that God caused to be written according to 1 Nephi 19), shall be cut off from among the people;
15 For they have strayed from mine ordinances, and have broken mine everlasting covenant;
16 They seek not the Lord to establish his righteousness, but every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol, which waxeth old and shall perish in Babylon, even Babylon the great, which shall fall.
When it is all revealed, He will remove the false leaders. John Koyle said he talked with Joseph Smith who came to teach him:
The Bishop told of an interview with the Prophet Joseph in Salt Lake City. The two of them were seeking out the latter general authorities. The Bishop asked Joseph what he was going to do. Joseph’s answer was, “I’m going to release them, every last man-jack one of them.” (A man-jack is a mule that must be castrated or cut off to remove their unreconcilable stubbornness to Godly direction.) Joseph then stated, “They had their chance and failed!” https://ogdenkraut.com/?page_id=185
The church's and this country's destinies run in parallel.
Fix the other.
Most "Americans" are just guests here.
Birthright citizenship is a masonic illusion.
Birthright Nationhood is something that is neither given nor taken.
We are all members of a Nation.
Just not the same one.
Be a good idea to find out which one soon.
I see it the same.Ebenezer wrote: ↑November 23rd, 2022, 11:51 pm Regular, every day tithe-payers who have issues with the modern leadership have 3 options:
1) Keep silent
2) Walk away
3) Say something and get kicked out
It’s institutionally impossible to have legitimate issues with any church leaders. Those who the think they do are just activists who are obviously deceived.
Keep busy with other things.
If spouse chooses church over you.
They were never yours to begin with.
The church is changing fast.
A crash is coming.
But you won't be bored.
Seize the day.
1978 opened Pandora's Box.
Not closing it now.
This situation won't last long.
The Tares are marching.
The Wheat are being trampled.
Probably won't survive.