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cwass wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 9:00 am... the story he tells seems to be corroborated in many instances and he shined a bright light on things we weren't even discussing at the time. meanwhile the current prophet is a member of skull and bones....
You may not have noticed it, but it was being discussed.

Yes the railroad thread had some interesting posts, but some of us already knew Nelson was Skull & Bones / Owl & Key, and other similar things about the Church/leaders.

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HVDC wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 12:38 am
creator wrote: December 1st, 2022, 10:44 pm
A Global Faith wrote: August 22nd, 2021, 6:00 pmFollow the Prophet. He won’t lead you astray. We are hastening the work and Heavenly Father has sent us a gift vaccine. Were it not so, the First Presidency would not recommend it. All are to receive it.
Again, just quoting this so you can see clearly that AGF set off a bunch of people's troll radar right away as he was shilling for the clot shot; spreading false & dangerous covid propaganda.
In light of his follow up posts.

I think this was epic sarcasm.

And yes.

Trolling.

I do it as well.

Sir H
I agree, it appeared to be sarcasm to me. Especially with him hitting all the right buzz words. "All are to receive it." That's funny.

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Dusty Wanderer wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 11:12 am
HVDC wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 12:38 am
creator wrote: December 1st, 2022, 10:44 pm
A Global Faith wrote: August 22nd, 2021, 6:00 pmFollow the Prophet. He won’t lead you astray. We are hastening the work and Heavenly Father has sent us a gift vaccine. Were it not so, the First Presidency would not recommend it. All are to receive it.
Again, just quoting this so you can see clearly that AGF set off a bunch of people's troll radar right away as he was shilling for the clot shot; spreading false & dangerous covid propaganda.
In light of his follow up posts.

I think this was epic sarcasm.

And yes.

Trolling.

I do it as well.

Sir H
I agree, it appeared to be sarcasm to me. Especially with him hitting all the right buzz words. "All are to receive it." That's funny.
Hahaha that line was quality

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Dusty Wanderer wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 11:12 am
HVDC wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 12:38 am
creator wrote: December 1st, 2022, 10:44 pm
A Global Faith wrote: August 22nd, 2021, 6:00 pmFollow the Prophet. He won’t lead you astray. We are hastening the work and Heavenly Father has sent us a gift vaccine. Were it not so, the First Presidency would not recommend it. All are to receive it.
Again, just quoting this so you can see clearly that AGF set off a bunch of people's troll radar right away as he was shilling for the clot shot; spreading false & dangerous covid propaganda.
In light of his follow up posts.

I think this was epic sarcasm.

And yes.

Trolling.

I do it as well.

Sir H
I agree, it appeared to be sarcasm to me. Especially with him hitting all the right buzz words. "All are to receive it." That's funny.
I laughed and laughed at how the geezer could get everyone so easily worked up 🤣🤣🤣
Wasn't it him that also told someone off, or maybe typoed, but called someone a 'waman', he said something like 'be gone, waman' hahahaha 😂😂

Edit: or he said something like 'leave me in peace, waman' or similar😂
Pps Edit: just in case someone misunderstands me, I use the term 'geezer' with absolute respect towards him, it's not a jab or a dig at him at all👍
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Jonesy wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 3:36 am Let’s all just disregard for a second what you think/feel about AGF’s thread/content. I think NVR has some legitimate points, and now she’s being attacked. Full disclosure—I was one who defended AGF.
Attacked?

Kinda strong don't ya think?

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One thing is for sure, AGF must get a kick out of knowing that that there has probably never been a thread, subject matter, and a single poster that more people have gotten their panties more in a wad about than his. It seems to be an informal LDSFF record. How could that not be somewhat satisfying?

In my case, although there were actually quite a few interesting dots to connect (many of which have apparently been essentially meaningless to most people) the one thing that the Railroad thread did crystalize in my mind — and I have alluded to this elsewhere — was that according to someone’s grand plan, two very worldly, progressive, socialistic men (and well-qualified for this globalist (NWO/OWG) mission) were seemingly plucked almost out of nowhere at the time, and placed in positions that would eventually put the Church where it is today, 40 years later.

In my view this is something that must have been inspired and directed by someone who knows more and has a longer view than most mere mortals. The question is who?

Although I feel like I have been fairly awakened for quite some time, I feel like the Railroad thread did help contribute to my understanding of the true realities and actual awfulness of our current situation. But that’s just me. Otherwise, this is just all just more meaningless distraction (just like the original Railroad thread).

EIMN, what, if any, additional substantive information have you come up with? I think that most people are still operating in relative oblivion as to the role of the railroad in the whole equation.
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tmac wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 12:21 pm One thing is for sure, AGF must get a kick out of knowing that that there has probably never been a thread, subject matter, and a single poster that more people have gotten their panties more in a wad about than him. How could that not be somewhat satisfying?

In my case, although there were actually quite a few interesting dots to connect (many of which have apparently been essentially meaningless to most people) the one thing that the Railroad thread did crystalize in my mind — and I have alluded to this elsewhere — was that according to someone’s grand plan, two very worldly, progressive, socialistic men (and well-qualified for this worldly (NWO/OWG) mission) were seemingly plucked almost out of nowhere at the time, and placed in positions that would eventually put the Church where it is today, 40 years later.

In my view this is something that must have been inspired and directed by someone who knows more and has a longer view than mere mortals. The question is who?

Although I feel like I have been fairly awakened for quite some time, I feel like the Railroad thread did help contribute to my understanding of the true realities and awfulness of our current situation. But that’s just me.

Otherwise, this is just all just more meaningless distraction (just like the original Railroad thread). EIMN, what, if any, additional substantive information have you come up with? I think that most people are still operating in relative oblivion as to the role of the railroad in the whole equation.
Hey tmac,

Unfortunately I haven’t been able to spend any more time on this. Hoping to pick it up again this weekend.

I never intended to quickly “solve” anything. My personal opinion is there is likely a lifetime’s worth of research contained in the railroad thread.

I have no idea why people feel the need to add their commentary to what I was hoping would be a research thread, especially when they seem so certain it’s a waste of time. When I think something is a waste of time I ignore it. So it’s a fascinating phenomenon.

I’m not sure what people are expecting or hoping for here. To me the railroad thread feels like a cave system… something dreadful and beautiful and mysterious. I intend to explore it. If everyone wants to stand around and yap about it I’m okay with that, too.

For those interested, I’d say that right now my areas of interest are:

1) The church’s long term relationship with Union Pacific, and how the church has used it for what the author of the paper I found referred to as “mutually beneficial opportunities”.
2) Dallin H Oaks’ specific involvement with UP. This seems to be where AGF wanted us to look, so I’m going to dig in there.
3) Oaks, Nelson, and their relationship prior to being plucked out of the world and placed into positions of leadership, in the world and the church.
4) Looking at the public history of their positions throughout their ministry. They’re calling seems to have been a hinge point in church history and I’m interested to see if they’ve acted in lockstep throughout the years, which could be evidence they share allegiance to some other entity.

How long will it take? No idea. I’m a busy guy.

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endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 12:54 pm
tmac wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 12:21 pm One thing is for sure, AGF must get a kick out of knowing that that there has probably never been a thread, subject matter, and a single poster that more people have gotten their panties more in a wad about than him. How could that not be somewhat satisfying?

In my case, although there were actually quite a few interesting dots to connect (many of which have apparently been essentially meaningless to most people) the one thing that the Railroad thread did crystalize in my mind — and I have alluded to this elsewhere — was that according to someone’s grand plan, two very worldly, progressive, socialistic men (and well-qualified for this worldly (NWO/OWG) mission) were seemingly plucked almost out of nowhere at the time, and placed in positions that would eventually put the Church where it is today, 40 years later.

In my view this is something that must have been inspired and directed by someone who knows more and has a longer view than mere mortals. The question is who?

Although I feel like I have been fairly awakened for quite some time, I feel like the Railroad thread did help contribute to my understanding of the true realities and awfulness of our current situation. But that’s just me.

Otherwise, this is just all just more meaningless distraction (just like the original Railroad thread). EIMN, what, if any, additional substantive information have you come up with? I think that most people are still operating in relative oblivion as to the role of the railroad in the whole equation.
Hey tmac,

Unfortunately I haven’t been able to spend any more time on this. Hoping to pick it up again this weekend.

I never intended to quickly “solve” anything. My personal opinion is there is likely a lifetime’s worth of research contained in the railroad thread.

I have no idea why people feel the need to add their commentary to what I was hoping would be a research thread, especially when they seem so certain it’s a waste of time. When I think something is a waste of time I ignore it. So it’s a fascinating phenomenon.

I’m not sure what people are expecting or hoping for here. To me the railroad thread feels like a cave system… something dreadful and beautiful and mysterious. I intend to explore it. If everyone wants to stand around and yap about it I’m okay with that, too.

For those interested, I’d say that right now my areas of interest are:

1) The church’s long term relationship with Union Pacific, and how the church has used it for what the author of the paper I found referred to as “mutually beneficial opportunities”.
2) Dallin H Oaks’ specific involvement with UP. This seems to be where AGF wanted us to look, so I’m going to dig in there.
3) Oaks, Nelson, and their relationship prior to being plucked out of the world and placed into positions of leadership, in the world and the church.
4) Looking at the public history of their positions throughout their ministry. They’re calling seems to have been a hinge point in church history and I’m interested to see if they’ve acted in lockstep throughout the years, which could be evidence they share allegiance to some other entity.

How long will it take? No idea. I’m a busy guy.
I for one am glad you are pursuing this.

I too believe there is something important here.

I do not have a researchers mind.

So I appreciate your time.

Thank you.

Sir H

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Besides the obvious Union Pacific Railroad references, some of the idiomatic expressions of railroad below may also apply to various elements of the thread.

Have member of the LDS been railroaded and fugitives escaped by a hasty action that the implications of are just now being realized?

I realize that question could be read two ways. I fall on the side that AGF's revelations are valuable.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/railroads

railroad (one)
1.
To force one into some action or situation by putting a lot of pressure on one to hurry and acquiesce right away

railroad (something) through
To force the passage or acceptance of something, especially legislation, by an authoritative body with such haste and pressure that the standard considerations of its implications are avoided or ignored.

underground railroad

2. By extension, any network of people working together secretly to help fugitives escape to places of safety and freedom.

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JuneBug12000 wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 2:46 pm
railroad (something) through
To force the passage or acceptance of something, especially legislation, by an authoritative body with such haste and pressure that the standard considerations of its implications are avoided or ignored.
Wow, this definition struck me in light of the church's 180-flip support of federal and state LGBTQ legislation.

Interesting insight, JuneBug.
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Bring AGF back!!!!!

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JuneBug12000 wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 2:46 pm Besides the obvious Union Pacific Railroad references, some of the idiomatic expressions of railroad below may also apply to various elements of the thread.

Have member of the LDS been railroaded and fugitives escaped by a hasty action that the implications of are just now being realized?

I realize that question could be read two ways. I fall on the side that AGF's revelations are valuable.

https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/railroads

railroad (one)
1.
To force one into some action or situation by putting a lot of pressure on one to hurry and acquiesce right away

railroad (something) through
To force the passage or acceptance of something, especially legislation, by an authoritative body with such haste and pressure that the standard considerations of its implications are avoided or ignored.

underground railroad

2. By extension, any network of people working together secretly to help fugitives escape to places of safety and freedom.
Excellent.

I was thinking along the same lines.

There appeared to be much symbolism in the railroad thread.

Could "working on the railroad" mean "working for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints"?

It could.

Or it couldn't.

Something to keep in mind, though, IMO.

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I had a second to do a bit of research.

I AM NOT VOUCHING FOR THIS SOURCE.

I am simply placing this here because the author seems to point more explicitly towards things AGF hinted at.

Maximum discernment needed with this kind of site, though, so READER BEWARE!

https://rockfordfraud.wordpress.com/201 ... s-apostle/

For example:

"Mormon Pioneer Saints FINANCED the foundation of the New World Order when Brigham Young never paid them for building the Union Pacific tracks across Utah. Young’s Apostle sons went to work for Harriman. Harrian’s son was Averell Harriman, whose Union Bank Chairman was PRESCOTT BUSH!!"

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This seems to be the origin of this particular blogger's beef with the church:

'"June 2016 I began writing this blog. I had been targeted 4 decades by the local drug-trafficking Illinois Democrats. I knew one Mormon was in bed with them, who had Bait & Switched me into about 10 real-estate frauds.
Jesus money

When I found the son-in-law of Mormon Apostle Dallin H. Oaks was the Mormon fraud-artist’s real-estate partner, I began to pull the threads to reveal the money trail of the CIA Bush-Clinton cocaine trail from Mena Airport, the Two Boys On The Tracks, Jackson Stephen’s “Systematics” and money-laundering software contract with my Mormon Bishop, Stake President, General Authority, Mission President–and son-in-law of Dallin H. Oaks.

All of the real-estate frauds since 2006 were relatives of Oaks or employees of his son-in-law Attorney and Banker Jack Ward. Ward was the secret largest shareholder of Amcore Bank, which went bankrupt in 2010 for “self-dealing and fraud.”'

I will say, this blog is a big red flag, and potential evidence that the "this is a waste of time" crowd is on to something.

One interesting thing I'm noticing is that all the topics on the blog are topics that have found their way on to LDSFF over the past few years and gained traction.

My plan here is to try to stick to verifiable claims related to Oaks, and try to verify them. There's a ton of crazy, crazy stuff at this source.

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endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 5:50 pm I had a second to do a bit of research.

I AM NOT VOUCHING FOR THIS SOURCE.

I am simply placing this here because the author seems to point more explicitly towards things AGF hinted at.

Maximum discernment needed with this kind of site, though, so READER BEWARE!

https://rockfordfraud.wordpress.com/201 ... s-apostle/

For example:

"Mormon Pioneer Saints FINANCED the foundation of the New World Order when Brigham Young never paid them for building the Union Pacific tracks across Utah. Young’s Apostle sons went to work for Harriman. Harrian’s son was Averell Harriman, whose Union Bank Chairman was PRESCOTT BUSH!!"
Still don’t understand how people can think Brigham Young was on “their side” when he fought against them all his life.

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endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:14 pm This seems to be the origin of this particular blogger's beef with the church:

'"June 2016 I began writing this blog. I had been targeted 4 decades by the local drug-trafficking Illinois Democrats. I knew one Mormon was in bed with them, who had Bait & Switched me into about 10 real-estate frauds.
Jesus money

When I found the son-in-law of Mormon Apostle Dallin H. Oaks was the Mormon fraud-artist’s real-estate partner, I began to pull the threads to reveal the money trail of the CIA Bush-Clinton cocaine trail from Mena Airport, the Two Boys On The Tracks, Jackson Stephen’s “Systematics” and money-laundering software contract with my Mormon Bishop, Stake President, General Authority, Mission President–and son-in-law of Dallin H. Oaks.

All of the real-estate frauds since 2006 were relatives of Oaks or employees of his son-in-law Attorney and Banker Jack Ward. Ward was the secret largest shareholder of Amcore Bank, which went bankrupt in 2010 for “self-dealing and fraud.”'

I will say, this blog is a big red flag, and potential evidence that the "this is a waste of time" crowd is on to something.

One interesting thing I'm noticing is that all the topics on the blog are topics that have found their way on to LDSFF over the past few years and gained traction.

My plan here is to try to stick to verifiable claims related to Oaks, and try to verify them. There's a ton of crazy, crazy stuff at this source.
That guy is often found in YouTube comment sections. He seems to have some facts behind him, but like a lot of people of his ilk, he spreads actual conspiracy theories—not conspiracy facts. Emphasis on the word “theory”. I can find nothing to back up what he says a lot of the time.

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So, I'm just going to ask this out loud:

Jon Bystrom, are you here?

How about anyone associated with Jon Bystrom?

If so, PM me... I'd like to chat.

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Luke wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:17 pm
endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:14 pm This seems to be the origin of this particular blogger's beef with the church:

'"June 2016 I began writing this blog. I had been targeted 4 decades by the local drug-trafficking Illinois Democrats. I knew one Mormon was in bed with them, who had Bait & Switched me into about 10 real-estate frauds.
Jesus money

When I found the son-in-law of Mormon Apostle Dallin H. Oaks was the Mormon fraud-artist’s real-estate partner, I began to pull the threads to reveal the money trail of the CIA Bush-Clinton cocaine trail from Mena Airport, the Two Boys On The Tracks, Jackson Stephen’s “Systematics” and money-laundering software contract with my Mormon Bishop, Stake President, General Authority, Mission President–and son-in-law of Dallin H. Oaks.

All of the real-estate frauds since 2006 were relatives of Oaks or employees of his son-in-law Attorney and Banker Jack Ward. Ward was the secret largest shareholder of Amcore Bank, which went bankrupt in 2010 for “self-dealing and fraud.”'

I will say, this blog is a big red flag, and potential evidence that the "this is a waste of time" crowd is on to something.

One interesting thing I'm noticing is that all the topics on the blog are topics that have found their way on to LDSFF over the past few years and gained traction.

My plan here is to try to stick to verifiable claims related to Oaks, and try to verify them. There's a ton of crazy, crazy stuff at this source.
That guy is often found in YouTube comment sections. He seems to have some facts behind him, but like a lot of people of his ilk, he spreads actual conspiracy theories—not conspiracy facts. Emphasis on the word “theory”. I can find nothing to back up what he says a lot of the time.
Interesting.

Definitely a TON of accusations, with very little evidence to back any of it up.

But LOTS of interesting factoids that can easily be verified or shown as false as well.

Not sure how to proceed at the moment... thinking it through, combing through material, trying to decide if it's worth it to go down this particular part of the cave system.

I'm fascinated by the sheer number of topic similarities between this guy's blog, and LDSFF content over the past several years.

AGF hardly seemed like an organic, real user to me... more like a proxy designed to point people in a certain direction and discuss certain topics.

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Just dumping this here for further verification:

Dallin Oaks on the BOARD of the ROCKFORD INSTITUTE, where he used to come to Rockford, ILLINOIS ONCE A MONTH

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endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:30 pm
Luke wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:17 pm
endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:14 pm This seems to be the origin of this particular blogger's beef with the church:

'"June 2016 I began writing this blog. I had been targeted 4 decades by the local drug-trafficking Illinois Democrats. I knew one Mormon was in bed with them, who had Bait & Switched me into about 10 real-estate frauds.
Jesus money

When I found the son-in-law of Mormon Apostle Dallin H. Oaks was the Mormon fraud-artist’s real-estate partner, I began to pull the threads to reveal the money trail of the CIA Bush-Clinton cocaine trail from Mena Airport, the Two Boys On The Tracks, Jackson Stephen’s “Systematics” and money-laundering software contract with my Mormon Bishop, Stake President, General Authority, Mission President–and son-in-law of Dallin H. Oaks.

All of the real-estate frauds since 2006 were relatives of Oaks or employees of his son-in-law Attorney and Banker Jack Ward. Ward was the secret largest shareholder of Amcore Bank, which went bankrupt in 2010 for “self-dealing and fraud.”'

I will say, this blog is a big red flag, and potential evidence that the "this is a waste of time" crowd is on to something.

One interesting thing I'm noticing is that all the topics on the blog are topics that have found their way on to LDSFF over the past few years and gained traction.

My plan here is to try to stick to verifiable claims related to Oaks, and try to verify them. There's a ton of crazy, crazy stuff at this source.
That guy is often found in YouTube comment sections. He seems to have some facts behind him, but like a lot of people of his ilk, he spreads actual conspiracy theories—not conspiracy facts. Emphasis on the word “theory”. I can find nothing to back up what he says a lot of the time.
Interesting.

Definitely a TON of accusations, with very little evidence to back any of it up.

But LOTS of interesting factoids that can easily be verified or shown as false as well.

Not sure how to proceed at the moment... thinking it through, combing through material, trying to decide if it's worth it to go down this particular part of the cave system.

I'm fascinated by the sheer number of topic similarities between this guy's blog, and LDSFF content over the past several years.

AGF hardly seemed like an organic, real user to me... more like a proxy designed to point people in a certain direction and discuss certain topics.
A lot of the stuff on his site are also from other people's YouTube channels, blogs, etc, so that could explain some of the similarities, as some of the folks on here are probably watching the same source he is.

Facts are facts. If you continue to uncover facts related to the subject matter by pursuing some of the stuff AGF mentioned, why not continue to uncover facts. If you run into too many theories, as Luke put it, without enough facts, then you probably have your answer, or at least, validation that it's a dead end.

Just my .2 cents. I'm just hopeful you'll find something. Plus, if you need assistance pushing through content on sites or whatever, I offer my help whenever I can.

And you never know when you'll post something that seems isolated, but then someone else here can use it to connect something that they thought was isolated, too.

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endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:29 pm So, I'm just going to ask this out loud:

Jon Bystrom, are you here?

How about anyone associated with Jon Bystrom?

If so, PM me... I'd like to chat.
I think he friended me on the FB a while back, but I don't really interact with him- he definitely does not like Oaks - I see his posts from time to time... there are a couple others, I don't know if it is a family member, but they also friended me and also do not like Oaks both people claim similar stories. You can find him on there. I don't really subscribe to any view except Jesus anymore - I figure all that is in darkness will be exposed by the Light- and Jesus is the Light, so my goal is to be filled with light and have the Lord owrk in me His work so I look like Him one day.. as for the rest, it will work out, how, I don't know, but don't let my thoughts dissuade you from your mission. He is on FB if you want to reach out to him. A lot of the people discussed on here kind of run together or are associated in some way shape or form - there is a loose association at least in the Facebook world.

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Dusty Wanderer wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:53 pm
endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:30 pm
Luke wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:17 pm
endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:14 pm This seems to be the origin of this particular blogger's beef with the church:

'"June 2016 I began writing this blog. I had been targeted 4 decades by the local drug-trafficking Illinois Democrats. I knew one Mormon was in bed with them, who had Bait & Switched me into about 10 real-estate frauds.
Jesus money

When I found the son-in-law of Mormon Apostle Dallin H. Oaks was the Mormon fraud-artist’s real-estate partner, I began to pull the threads to reveal the money trail of the CIA Bush-Clinton cocaine trail from Mena Airport, the Two Boys On The Tracks, Jackson Stephen’s “Systematics” and money-laundering software contract with my Mormon Bishop, Stake President, General Authority, Mission President–and son-in-law of Dallin H. Oaks.

All of the real-estate frauds since 2006 were relatives of Oaks or employees of his son-in-law Attorney and Banker Jack Ward. Ward was the secret largest shareholder of Amcore Bank, which went bankrupt in 2010 for “self-dealing and fraud.”'

I will say, this blog is a big red flag, and potential evidence that the "this is a waste of time" crowd is on to something.

One interesting thing I'm noticing is that all the topics on the blog are topics that have found their way on to LDSFF over the past few years and gained traction.

My plan here is to try to stick to verifiable claims related to Oaks, and try to verify them. There's a ton of crazy, crazy stuff at this source.
That guy is often found in YouTube comment sections. He seems to have some facts behind him, but like a lot of people of his ilk, he spreads actual conspiracy theories—not conspiracy facts. Emphasis on the word “theory”. I can find nothing to back up what he says a lot of the time.
Interesting.

Definitely a TON of accusations, with very little evidence to back any of it up.

But LOTS of interesting factoids that can easily be verified or shown as false as well.

Not sure how to proceed at the moment... thinking it through, combing through material, trying to decide if it's worth it to go down this particular part of the cave system.

I'm fascinated by the sheer number of topic similarities between this guy's blog, and LDSFF content over the past several years.

AGF hardly seemed like an organic, real user to me... more like a proxy designed to point people in a certain direction and discuss certain topics.
A lot of the stuff on his site are also from other people's YouTube channels, blogs, etc, so that could explain some of the similarities, as some of the folks on here are probably watching the same source he is.

Facts are facts. If you continue to uncover facts related to the subject matter by pursuing some of the stuff AGF mentioned, why not continue to uncover facts. If you run into too many theories, as Luke put it, without enough facts, then you probably have your answer, or at least, validation that it's a dead end.

Just my .2 cents. I'm just hopeful you'll find something. Plus, if you need assistance pushing through content on sites or whatever, I offer my help whenever I can.

And you never know when you'll post something that seems isolated, but then someone else here can use it to connect something that they thought was isolated, too.
Agreed. It can be exhausting sorting facts from fiction when you're dealing with a source like this, though. I'll just have to pace myself, I suppose (not a strength of mine).

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Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

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John Tavner wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 7:07 pm
endlessismyname wrote: December 2nd, 2022, 6:29 pm So, I'm just going to ask this out loud:

Jon Bystrom, are you here?

How about anyone associated with Jon Bystrom?

If so, PM me... I'd like to chat.
I think he friended me on the FB a while back, but I don't really interact with him- he definitely does not like Oaks - I see his posts from time to time... there are a couple others, I don't know if it is a family member, but they also friended me and also do not like Oaks both people claim similar stories. You can find him on there. I don't really subscribe to any view except Jesus anymore - I figure all that is in darkness will be exposed by the Light- and Jesus is the Light, so my goal is to be filled with light and have the Lord owrk in me His work so I look like Him one day.. as for the rest, it will work out, how, I don't know, but don't let my thoughts dissuade you from your mission. He is on FB if you want to reach out to him. A lot of the people discussed on here kind of run together or are associated in some way shape or form - there is a loose association at least in the Facebook world.
Interesting. Thanks for the information.

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Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

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First mention of Oaks on the blog:

https://rockfordfraud.wordpress.com/201 ... ighwaymen/

And it not only echoes AGF, but is almost a carbon copy of what "he" was saying:

"LDS Apostle and next-in-line to lead the Mormon Church Dallin H. Oaks is/was a Director of Union Pacific, partners of George H.W. Bush and the New World Order.

Where did a little CIA-connected Chicago Prosecutor, while David M. Kennedy was laundering heroin money with the Vatican Bank, get Rockefeller-kind-of-money, to share a board table with the worst Satanists since Joseph Smith warned us of his kind in 1829?

I know….

Oaks’ son-in-law Jack Ward is targeting me."

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Let's take a look at verifiable claims:

1) Oaks has a son in law named Jack Ward
True.
https://dp.la/item/39b19b58817714911f3fa20afa031753

2) Oaks is/was a Director of the Union Pacific
Not sure.
Here's a link with some interesting information. Looks like Oaks was on the board of directors of multiple UP associated entities.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/chu ... r?lang=eng

He was also a member of the board for the Public Broadcasting System
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallin_H._Oaks

And interestingly, he was at a board meeting for PBS when he got the call from Hinckley regarding his call to the apostleship:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... clnk&gl=us

This link appears to have mentioned his relationship to UP at one point, but it's no longer there as far as I can see:
https://www.thechurchnews.com/2018/1/25 ... presidency

Here's the NY Times announcement of his UP appointment:
https://www.nytimes.com/1979/09/28/arch ... anges.html

But I don't see anything else about a later appointment... yet.

The rest of what he says is disappointingly phrased, especially for someone who claims to be a journalist.

1) partners of George H.W. Bush and the New World Order
I don't see any evidence of this. I don't even know what it means to be a partner of the NWO.
2) Is he referring to Oaks when he says CIA-connected Chicago prosecutor?
Again, no evidence presented.

So a very mixed bag here. Nobody ever said good research was easy.

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Here's a weird bonus resource. This article has an interesting story:
https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php? ... type=CMSID

"He" is David Burton...

'But, he added, there is no particular "line of assignment that prepares you for any assignment in the church. We're an organization that believes the Lord prepares those whom he calls," and does so in a variety of ways.

"The opportunity to serve in the local ward [in many callings] and in the stake or in a mission all provide some of the same kind of opportunities" as being a bishop, he said. While being a bishop "can be helpful in some cases, it certainly is not a requisite. Certainly there are other ways for the Lord to prepare his priesthood holders."

Monson was 22 years old when he was called as a ward bishop in Salt Lake City before becoming an apostle at age 36.

He once told a worldwide training session for LDS leaders how a visiting board member of Union Pacific Railroad asked Mormon leaders in their Salt Lake City headquarters, "Tell me — how does a man go about becoming an apostle?"'

Weird.

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Re: A Global Faith and Working on the Railroad - Unraveling One of the Most Interesting Threads To Appear On LDSFF

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Okay, after a night of research, I think I'm pretty clear that Jon Bystrom is, at best, a sloppy writer.

Looks like a personal feud has blown up into something much bigger in his mind.

Doesn't make him wrong - just makes him extremely biased, and not a good source, except for claims that can be verified or falsified through other, less biased sources.

I feel for the man - I truly do. But even if he has a case, you have to be able to state your case clearly and compellingly, and he doesn't (in my opinion).

The sheer number of "coincidences" regarding what Bystrom talks about, and what AGF talked about, is the most interesting find of the night. This little subculture is something I was not aware of before reading the Railroad thread.

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