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Here is a comprehensive list of studies that find the deadly-jab...well...deadly.

You would think that cardiologist doctor and PSR RMN would have heard of at least a few of them...or would have at least been a "seer" long enough to have a prompted desire to research side effects.

Surely the Pfizer 70 would have access to this data as well..

But...crickets

Hmmm......
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Ignorance has a short half-life. After it breaks down enough, it becomes wilful.
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They cant apologize. That would be admitting to a mistake, and not fit with "follow the prophet, he/they cant lead you astray".

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silverado wrote: November 14th, 2022, 8:26 pm They cant apologize. That would be admitting to a mistake, and not fit with "follow the prophet, he/they cant lead you astray".
Along with the most recent quote, “There are 15 on the earth today. You can trust them completely.”

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The obvious flaw was that each of those 750 studies only looked at the direct evidence, none of them looked around the corner to see what else they might see.

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The Red Pill wrote: November 14th, 2022, 7:52 pm Here is a comprehensive list of studies that find the deadly-jab...well...deadly.

You would think that cardiologist doctor and PSR RMN would have heard of at least a few of them...or would have at least been a "seer" long enough to have a prompted desire to research side effects.

Surely the Pfizer 70 would have access to this data as well..

But...crickets

Hmmm......
Way too much enthusiasm at tearing others down. Joseph marched Zions Camp to rescue people driven from their home, trying to build the promised New Jerusalem. And many continued in suffering. Brigham marched across the plains, and many trusted and followed and suffered and died. How many were bit by serpents after following Moses into the wilderness?

There have always been those quick to tear down or accuse their Brethren.

But they've never been true Saints. God be with you.

Ps, the vaccine is a dangerous mistake.
Pps, looking to engraved serpents for salvation is idolatry
Ppps, since the time of Adam and Eve we've had to reconcile wrong actions with being the best possible choice that still leads to much suffering.
Pppps, there is nothing, not even death in the vast areas of the observable universe; its all antithetical to life. Every ounce of life in this existence is a miracle. Only a shortsighted view of existence blames God for suffering when everywhere we can look for billions of years across space time is the absence of life and death.

Learn to reconcile life's difficult observations without blaming those you find fault in.

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Lizzy60 wrote: November 14th, 2022, 8:33 pm
silverado wrote: November 14th, 2022, 8:26 pm They cant apologize. That would be admitting to a mistake, and not fit with "follow the prophet, he/they cant lead you astray".
Along with the most recent quote, “There are 15 on the earth today. You can trust them completely.”
Maybe they are talking about a different 15.

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The government officials who executed Operation Warp Speed won’t apologize either.

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Ciams wrote: November 15th, 2022, 2:39 am
The Red Pill wrote: November 14th, 2022, 7:52 pm Here is a comprehensive list of studies that find the deadly-jab...well...deadly.

You would think that cardiologist doctor and PSR RMN would have heard of at least a few of them...or would have at least been a "seer" long enough to have a prompted desire to research side effects.

Surely the Pfizer 70 would have access to this data as well..

But...crickets

Hmmm......
Way too much enthusiasm at tearing others down. Joseph marched Zions Camp to rescue people driven from their home, trying to build the promised New Jerusalem. And many continued in suffering. Brigham marched across the plains, and many trusted and followed and suffered and died. How many were bit by serpents after following Moses into the wilderness?

There have always been those quick to tear down or accuse their Brethren.

But they've never been true Saints. God be with you.

Ps, the vaccine is a dangerous mistake.
Pps, looking to engraved serpents for salvation is idolatry
Ppps, since the time of Adam and Eve we've had to reconcile wrong actions with being the best possible choice that still leads to much suffering.
Pppps, there is nothing, not even death in the vast areas of the observable universe; its all antithetical to life. Every ounce of life in this existence is a miracle. Only a shortsighted view of existence blames God for suffering when everywhere we can look for billions of years across space time is the absence of life and death.

Learn to reconcile life's difficult observations without blaming those you find fault in.
Sorry, but not buying what you are selling.

1. True saints don't "urge" their followers to take something that injures and kills them.

2. I'm NOT blaming God for anything. I'm blaming Q15 for pretending to have guidance from God...they CLEARLY did NOT.

3. It was NOWHERE near the best possible choice. Better choices include A. Saying nothing or B. Telling people to do their own research and decide what's best for them.

3 strikes...and you're OUT!

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This time is different when it comes to Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Saints now have even more tender mercies of myocarditis to deal with.
Last time I checked Zion's camp didn't wander its way into an open air clinical trial.

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The Red Pill wrote: November 15th, 2022, 10:53 am
Ciams wrote: November 15th, 2022, 2:39 am
The Red Pill wrote: November 14th, 2022, 7:52 pm Here is a comprehensive list of studies that find the deadly-jab...well...deadly.

You would think that cardiologist doctor and PSR RMN would have heard of at least a few of them...or would have at least been a "seer" long enough to have a prompted desire to research side effects.

Surely the Pfizer 70 would have access to this data as well..

But...crickets

Hmmm......
Way too much enthusiasm at tearing others down. Joseph marched Zions Camp to rescue people driven from their home, trying to build the promised New Jerusalem. And many continued in suffering. Brigham marched across the plains, and many trusted and followed and suffered and died. How many were bit by serpents after following Moses into the wilderness?

There have always been those quick to tear down or accuse their Brethren.

But they've never been true Saints. God be with you.

Ps, the vaccine is a dangerous mistake.
Pps, looking to engraved serpents for salvation is idolatry
Ppps, since the time of Adam and Eve we've had to reconcile wrong actions with being the best possible choice that still leads to much suffering.
Pppps, there is nothing, not even death in the vast areas of the observable universe; its all antithetical to life. Every ounce of life in this existence is a miracle. Only a shortsighted view of existence blames God for suffering when everywhere we can look for billions of years across space time is the absence of life and death.

Learn to reconcile life's difficult observations without blaming those you find fault in.
Sorry, but not buying what you are selling.

1. True saints don't "urge" their followers to take something that injures and kills them.

2. I'm NOT blaming God for anything. I'm blaming Q15 for pretending to have guidance from God...they CLEARLY did NOT.

3. It was NOWHERE near the best possible choice. Better choices include A. Saying nothing or B. Telling people to do their own research and decide what's best for them.

3 strikes...and you're OUT!
Now do the same with Brigham and Utah from the perspective of a disaffected member who lost their parents and their toes coming to Zion at the urging of a prophet who said God commanded such.

The only leg you have to stand on is prideful disobedience or faithful submission. Christ literally bore the weight of all the sorrows and sin and suffering in the world that crushed him to the ground; that was the depths of his submission -- when he could have just said no one is worthy of time doing this and burned it all down. Are you the kind of person who'd choose to burn it down or choose to bear the weight out of mercy and compassion?

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Ciams wrote: November 23rd, 2022, 7:32 am
The Red Pill wrote: November 15th, 2022, 10:53 am
Ciams wrote: November 15th, 2022, 2:39 am
The Red Pill wrote: November 14th, 2022, 7:52 pm Here is a comprehensive list of studies that find the deadly-jab...well...deadly.

You would think that cardiologist doctor and PSR RMN would have heard of at least a few of them...or would have at least been a "seer" long enough to have a prompted desire to research side effects.

Surely the Pfizer 70 would have access to this data as well..

But...crickets

Hmmm......
Way too much enthusiasm at tearing others down. Joseph marched Zions Camp to rescue people driven from their home, trying to build the promised New Jerusalem. And many continued in suffering. Brigham marched across the plains, and many trusted and followed and suffered and died. How many were bit by serpents after following Moses into the wilderness?

There have always been those quick to tear down or accuse their Brethren.

But they've never been true Saints. God be with you.

Ps, the vaccine is a dangerous mistake.
Pps, looking to engraved serpents for salvation is idolatry
Ppps, since the time of Adam and Eve we've had to reconcile wrong actions with being the best possible choice that still leads to much suffering.
Pppps, there is nothing, not even death in the vast areas of the observable universe; its all antithetical to life. Every ounce of life in this existence is a miracle. Only a shortsighted view of existence blames God for suffering when everywhere we can look for billions of years across space time is the absence of life and death.

Learn to reconcile life's difficult observations without blaming those you find fault in.
Sorry, but not buying what you are selling.

1. True saints don't "urge" their followers to take something that injures and kills them.

2. I'm NOT blaming God for anything. I'm blaming Q15 for pretending to have guidance from God...they CLEARLY did NOT.

3. It was NOWHERE near the best possible choice. Better choices include A. Saying nothing or B. Telling people to do their own research and decide what's best for them.

3 strikes...and you're OUT!
Now do the same with Brigham and Utah from the perspective of a disaffected member who lost their parents and their toes coming to Zion at the urging of a prophet who said God commanded such.

The only leg you have to stand on is prideful disobedience or faithful submission. Christ literally bore the weight of all the sorrows and sin and suffering in the world that crushed him to the ground; that was the depths of his submission -- when he could have just said no one is worthy of time doing this and burned it all down. Are you the kind of person who'd choose to burn it down or choose to bear the weight out of mercy and compassion?
I will faithfully submit to Christ. He is the One who told me not to take the jab/poison. I will never submit to a man who has not been led by God. That is prideful disobedience to the will of the Lord.

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HVDC wrote: November 15th, 2022, 4:46 am
Lizzy60 wrote: November 14th, 2022, 8:33 pm
silverado wrote: November 14th, 2022, 8:26 pm They cant apologize. That would be admitting to a mistake, and not fit with "follow the prophet, he/they cant lead you astray".
Along with the most recent quote, “There are 15 on the earth today. You can trust them completely.”
Maybe they are talking about a different 15.
Maybe!
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Ciams wrote: November 15th, 2022, 2:39 amThere have always been those quick to tear down or accuse their Brethren.

But they've never been true Saints. God be with you.. Only a shortsighted view of existence blames God for suffering when everywhere we can look for billions of years across space time is the absence of life and death.
Impressive!
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Still, your problem is making corporate religious presidents your god. God can’t be with you when you do that, & thus you are more likely to fall into the pit of those who exercise unrighteous dominion. “Amen to the priesthood of that man!”

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Lizzy60 wrote: November 23rd, 2022, 7:52 am
Ciams wrote: November 23rd, 2022, 7:32 am
The Red Pill wrote: November 15th, 2022, 10:53 am
Ciams wrote: November 15th, 2022, 2:39 am

Way too much enthusiasm at tearing others down. Joseph marched Zions Camp to rescue people driven from their home, trying to build the promised New Jerusalem. And many continued in suffering. Brigham marched across the plains, and many trusted and followed and suffered and died. How many were bit by serpents after following Moses into the wilderness?

There have always been those quick to tear down or accuse their Brethren.

But they've never been true Saints. God be with you.

Ps, the vaccine is a dangerous mistake.
Pps, looking to engraved serpents for salvation is idolatry
Ppps, since the time of Adam and Eve we've had to reconcile wrong actions with being the best possible choice that still leads to much suffering.
Pppps, there is nothing, not even death in the vast areas of the observable universe; its all antithetical to life. Every ounce of life in this existence is a miracle. Only a shortsighted view of existence blames God for suffering when everywhere we can look for billions of years across space time is the absence of life and death.

Learn to reconcile life's difficult observations without blaming those you find fault in.
Sorry, but not buying what you are selling.

1. True saints don't "urge" their followers to take something that injures and kills them.

2. I'm NOT blaming God for anything. I'm blaming Q15 for pretending to have guidance from God...they CLEARLY did NOT.

3. It was NOWHERE near the best possible choice. Better choices include A. Saying nothing or B. Telling people to do their own research and decide what's best for them.

3 strikes...and you're OUT!
Now do the same with Brigham and Utah from the perspective of a disaffected member who lost their parents and their toes coming to Zion at the urging of a prophet who said God commanded such.

The only leg you have to stand on is prideful disobedience or faithful submission. Christ literally bore the weight of all the sorrows and sin and suffering in the world that crushed him to the ground; that was the depths of his submission -- when he could have just said no one is worthy of time doing this and burned it all down. Are you the kind of person who'd choose to burn it down or choose to bear the weight out of mercy and compassion?
I will faithfully submit to Christ. He is the One who told me not to take the jab/poison. I will never submit to a man who has not been led by God. That is prideful disobedience to the will of the Lord.
I never said you should get vaccinated. I wouldn't have said so if I were Pres. Nelson. He made his statement and is accountable to God for it. Some acted in faith and were blessed either way. Some didn't and respectfully abstained and I believe we're also blessed. Some want to tear others down and cause contention and reap the rewards of that.

People are too quick to contend. I have no problem arguing the many issues that the vaccine has, it's dangerous in my view. I just don't need to make it personal.

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Thinker wrote: November 23rd, 2022, 8:35 am
Ciams wrote: November 15th, 2022, 2:39 amThere have always been those quick to tear down or accuse their Brethren.

But they've never been true Saints. God be with you.. Only a shortsighted view of existence blames God for suffering when everywhere we can look for billions of years across space time is the absence of life and death.
Impressive!
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Still, your problem is making corporate religious presidents your god. God can’t be with you when you do that, & thus you are more likely to fall into the pit of those who exercise unrighteous dominion. “Amen to the priesthood of that man!”
Not buying it. Without a doubt the organization of the church, for all the flaws of its members and ya leaders is a far better force for good across the generations than random posters on the internet. The church does a better job at teaching principles to individuals, children, families, etc than any school, forum, etc. if you want to look at it from a global multigenerational scale.

Objecting to an incorporation is nice in theory, in practice, it's just chaos. It's a corollary to the sophistry that marriage is just a piece of paper and you don't need a certificate to show your love. Cute, but rather sophomoric.

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Ciams wrote: November 24th, 2022, 5:08 am
Lizzy60 wrote: November 23rd, 2022, 7:52 am
Ciams wrote: November 23rd, 2022, 7:32 am
The Red Pill wrote: November 15th, 2022, 10:53 am

Sorry, but not buying what you are selling.

1. True saints don't "urge" their followers to take something that injures and kills them.

2. I'm NOT blaming God for anything. I'm blaming Q15 for pretending to have guidance from God...they CLEARLY did NOT.

3. It was NOWHERE near the best possible choice. Better choices include A. Saying nothing or B. Telling people to do their own research and decide what's best for them.

3 strikes...and you're OUT!
Now do the same with Brigham and Utah from the perspective of a disaffected member who lost their parents and their toes coming to Zion at the urging of a prophet who said God commanded such.

The only leg you have to stand on is prideful disobedience or faithful submission. Christ literally bore the weight of all the sorrows and sin and suffering in the world that crushed him to the ground; that was the depths of his submission -- when he could have just said no one is worthy of time doing this and burned it all down. Are you the kind of person who'd choose to burn it down or choose to bear the weight out of mercy and compassion?
I will faithfully submit to Christ. He is the One who told me not to take the jab/poison. I will never submit to a man who has not been led by God. That is prideful disobedience to the will of the Lord.
I never said you should get vaccinated. I wouldn't have said so if I were Pres. Nelson. He made his statement and is accountable to God for it. Some acted in faith and were blessed either way. Some didn't and respectfully abstained and I believe we're also blessed. Some want to tear others down and cause contention and reap the rewards of that.

People are too quick to contend. I have no problem arguing the many issues that the vaccine has, it's dangerous in my view. I just don't need to make it personal.
Where did I claim that YOU said I should get vaccinated?

I was responding to your statement that our choice is between prideful disobedience or faithful submission, and your context seems to be President Nelson’s counsel on the vaccine. I made a statement about my personal choice that I will faithfully submit to Christ, and to ignore the Lord’s counsel is prideful disobedience.

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"Not make it personal"??????

Because of what Q15 "urged" there are many who have died or been injured. Including a women in my ward who died and family members who have been injured. Everyone on this forum knows someone who has been negatively affected. Let that sink in.

Now couple the horrendous medical advice to their supposed PSR status. They were not P, not S and not R in any way shape or form.

Now combine that with the constant messaging of "we can't lead you astray" which was most certainly proven to be false.

Next, there is ample research out and has been for some time that proves the deadly-jab is deadly...yet the church has issued no retraction, correction or even a statement of possible negative side effects.

Now from where I sit, when I combine all the above facts...I see an organization that is not what it claims to be, has gotten many people killed and is so full of evil, that it WON'T even admit it made mistakes so that other's don't have to die or be injured. Yet claims to be of God.

This is personal...Q15 made it personal when THEY "urged" you and me and 16 million others to take a untested, unproven, new tech mRNA gene therapy injection that DOESN'T prevent covid, DOESN'T stop it from spreading to others...but DOES injure and kill people.

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Not only have they NOT admitted that the vaxx may harm some people, but just last month (October23) Elder Uchtdorf told the members in Thailand that God gave us the vaccine.

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Ciams wrote: November 24th, 2022, 5:08 am
Lizzy60 wrote: November 23rd, 2022, 7:52 am
Ciams wrote: November 23rd, 2022, 7:32 am
The Red Pill wrote: November 15th, 2022, 10:53 am

Sorry, but not buying what you are selling.

1. True saints don't "urge" their followers to take something that injures and kills them.

2. I'm NOT blaming God for anything. I'm blaming Q15 for pretending to have guidance from God...they CLEARLY did NOT.

3. It was NOWHERE near the best possible choice. Better choices include A. Saying nothing or B. Telling people to do their own research and decide what's best for them.

3 strikes...and you're OUT!
Now do the same with Brigham and Utah from the perspective of a disaffected member who lost their parents and their toes coming to Zion at the urging of a prophet who said God commanded such.

The only leg you have to stand on is prideful disobedience or faithful submission. Christ literally bore the weight of all the sorrows and sin and suffering in the world that crushed him to the ground; that was the depths of his submission -- when he could have just said no one is worthy of time doing this and burned it all down. Are you the kind of person who'd choose to burn it down or choose to bear the weight out of mercy and compassion?
I will faithfully submit to Christ. He is the One who told me not to take the jab/poison. I will never submit to a man who has not been led by God. That is prideful disobedience to the will of the Lord.
I never said you should get vaccinated. I wouldn't have said so if I were Pres. Nelson. He made his statement and is accountable to God for it. Some acted in faith and were blessed either way. Some didn't and respectfully abstained and I believe we're also blessed. Some want to tear others down and cause contention and reap the rewards of that.

People are too quick to contend. I have no problem arguing the many issues that the vaccine has, it's dangerous in my view. I just don't need to make it personal.

Sounds like your idols are not permitted to fail.

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I'm not in the least bit worried about their medical advice. Trump gave medical advice and many of you still love the guy. I respect the prophets because it's part of keeping my covenant with God, the oath and covenants of the priesthood. If you think you're justified in turning away from that because your personal revelation or intuition on a single item of medical advice is different then you're sadly mistaken.

Too many people are quick to make this vaccine issue a test of fellowship on both sides of the coin. Arguing how wrong or right they were on this issue only digs both sides in further on a totally tangential topic.

Covid has always been about Satan distracting us. Don't let it happen to you, however you feel about the vaccine.

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Lizzy60 wrote: November 24th, 2022, 9:28 am Not only have they NOT admitted that the vaxx may harm some people, but just last month (October23) Elder Uchtdorf told the members in Thailand that God gave us the vaccine.
Uchdorf might be speaking his truth. But his god is not my God. ;)

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FoundMyEden wrote: November 25th, 2022, 8:49 am
Lizzy60 wrote: November 24th, 2022, 9:28 am Not only have they NOT admitted that the vaxx may harm some people, but just last month (October23) Elder Uchtdorf told the members in Thailand that God gave us the vaccine.
Uchdorf might be speaking his truth. But his god is not my God. ;)

Yes, I think his god is the god of this world.

Not make it personal????

Yes, I thought that was nearly hilarious (quoting Clams)
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The Red Pill wrote: November 24th, 2022, 8:14 am "Not make it personal"??????

Because of what Q15 "urged" there are many who have died or been injured. Including a women in my ward who died and family members who have been injured. Everyone on this forum knows someone who has been negatively affected. Let that sink in.

Now couple the horrendous medical advice to their supposed PSR status. They were not P, not S and not R in any way shape or form.

Now combine that with the constant messaging of "we can't lead you astray" which was most certainly proven to be false.

Next, there is ample research out and has been for some time that proves the deadly-jab is deadly...yet the church has issued no retraction, correction or even a statement of possible negative side effects.

Now from where I sit, when I combine all the above facts...I see an organization that is not what it claims to be, has gotten many people killed and is so full of evil, that it WON'T even admit it made mistakes so that other's don't have to die or be injured. Yet claims to be of God.

This is personal...Q15 made it personal when THEY "urged" you and me and 16 million others to take a untested, unproven, new tech mRNA gene therapy injection that DOESN'T prevent covid, DOESN'T stop it from spreading to others...but DOES injure and kill people.
I have no issue with someone saying they disagree, or even thinking that they are wrong. I think the extremes people go through in their accusations are outrageous.

The Brethren, on this issue, are clearly submitting to medical community. Overwhelmingly, they respect doctors, they are doctors etc. Most doctors agree with taking the vaccine. I'm not upset with them on that urging.

That being said, I'm not the kind of person that holds someone's feet to the fire for making a mistake, especially if they are by and large a force for good in the world.

The truth is, you and I have made mistakes that have and will likely have generational consequences in how we treat friends, family, etc at various times in our lives. You want to cling to your negative impression of the prophet for the 2-3 times the vaccine has come up. They aren't harping on it. You are.

The way you are approaching this, if they took your attitude, they'd do nothing but talk vax all day long and how unrighteousness and unwise and selfish you are. They aren't. They made their case and you are free to consider and reject it. Get over it. Seriously. It's not worth losing sleep over. You're not saving souls carrying the weight of mrna garbage on your back. Be confident in yourself and your view in the issue and live your life.

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Ciams wrote: November 25th, 2022, 5:10 pm
The Red Pill wrote: November 24th, 2022, 8:14 am "Not make it personal"??????

Because of what Q15 "urged" there are many who have died or been injured. Including a women in my ward who died and family members who have been injured. Everyone on this forum knows someone who has been negatively affected. Let that sink in.

Now couple the horrendous medical advice to their supposed PSR status. They were not P, not S and not R in any way shape or form.

Now combine that with the constant messaging of "we can't lead you astray" which was most certainly proven to be false.

Next, there is ample research out and has been for some time that proves the deadly-jab is deadly...yet the church has issued no retraction, correction or even a statement of possible negative side effects.

Now from where I sit, when I combine all the above facts...I see an organization that is not what it claims to be, has gotten many people killed and is so full of evil, that it WON'T even admit it made mistakes so that other's don't have to die or be injured. Yet claims to be of God.

This is personal...Q15 made it personal when THEY "urged" you and me and 16 million others to take a untested, unproven, new tech mRNA gene therapy injection that DOESN'T prevent covid, DOESN'T stop it from spreading to others...but DOES injure and kill people.
I have no issue with someone saying they disagree, or even thinking that they are wrong. I think the extremes people go through in their accusations are outrageous.

The Brethren, on this issue, are clearly submitting to medical community. Overwhelmingly, they respect doctors, they are doctors etc. Most doctors agree with taking the vaccine. I'm not upset with them on that urging.

That being said, I'm not the kind of person that holds someone's feet to the fire for making a mistake, especially if they are by and large a force for good in the world.

The truth is, you and I have made mistakes that have and will likely have generational consequences in how we treat friends, family, etc at various times in our lives. You want to cling to your negative impression of the prophet for the 2-3 times the vaccine has come up. They aren't harping on it. You are.

The way you are approaching this, if they took your attitude, they'd do nothing but talk vax all day long and how unrighteousness and unwise and selfish you are. They aren't. They made their case and you are free to consider and reject it. Get over it. Seriously. It's not worth losing sleep over. You're not saving souls carrying the weight of mrna garbage on your back. Be confident in yourself and your view in the issue and live your life.
This is not a case of the Brethren simply making a mistake, or being wrong about the vaccine.
Pres Nelson said the vaccine was the miracle they prayed for, and a Godsend.
Pres Nelson said we can trust them completely.
Elder Rasband said that when Pres Nelson speaks, he is speaking for the Lord.
The vaccine urging letter went out on church letterhead and was signed by the First Presidency.
Elder Renlund said the entire FP and Q12 met together about the letter, and they all felt the approval of the Holy Ghost in sending it out.
Elder Uchtdorf said that God gave us the vaccine.

To believing LDS this is not their personal medical opinion, or a simple ooopsie mistake. They claimed divine revelation, direct communication from God Himself, on counseling all members of the Church to get vaxxed as the only way out of the pandemic. If they made a mistake, it wasn’t just about the safety and efficacy of the vaccine, but the mistake was also in misinterpreting and/or misunderstanding what God was telling them, or they didn’t hear God, and only heard themselves.

This is very important, when they call themselves prophets, seers, and revelators, and claim to speak for God.

You’re right, it’s not about a single issue like the vaxx. It’s about their claim to divine revelation.

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