Joel Skousen on what will be happening and how to prepare

[Artaxerxes]

It is fear. He believes that he can control his future by just being prepared enough. There are a billion things that can happen. You can prepare all you want, but you can never prepare for everything.

Faith is the opposite of fear. Instead of spending his time digging wells or whatever, his time would be much better spent on spiritual matters. No one gets out of this world alive. It's okay to accept that we're all going to die. We can't prevent it. We can make our lives worthwhile.

Lol
Did he say this? Do you know how he spends all his hours?

you are assuming again

Can a man not dig a well and think at the same time? lol

You speak of living in fear.

Did you mask up and get your vaccine?

His books, videos, and podcasts are all about living in fear. It's all he does.

I masked and vaxed when I had to, because I didn't care. I was neither afraid of getting COVID nor was I afraid of the vax.

I agree with a lot of the things that he says, I also prep.... but I do not live my life in fear.

The fact you automatically assume someone lives in fear when they work to warn people of these prophesized things....says a lot

And when you break it down, I believe that you just don't think these things are going to happen to you.

I don't believe you actually believe that secret combinations have gotten above our government. Like the cabal Satan worshiping kind.

You say you HAVe to vax and mask up.... This is more evidence that you do not understand the world around you

These are the root of your opinions about dudes work( imo )

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion! "

This isn't a some of the time thing for him. He's written multiple books about it. It's his whole thing.

Secret combinations are in control in some countries, but not most yet.

Walmart used to say I had to have a mask on to go in. Since I didn't care whether or not I wore one, I wore it.

Ldsff seems to love the false choice between "the sky is falling!" and "All is well in Zion!" Maybe, just maybe, it's not either?

[Maroriginal1]

Skousen is a mixed bag. I keep giving him the benefit of the doubt but can’t make it past a single interview because of his arrogance. His analysis of world affairs is very good. He understands the war chess game being played. He knows how to recommend decent survival tactics. But he also knows the general public can never afford what he pitches. Ultimately he sells that the only way to survive the coming days is to have a bunker in your basement with a false wall hiding it or a bug out property with a fully operational farm. So go into lots of debt! At the end of the day he’s a salesman peddling a book. He can live that way because of what he he’s sold, which is ultimately marketed off of peoples fear.

[JK4Woods]

He's getting up there in age. I often wonder what he'll think about his life? When he's on his death bed (hopefully not any time soon), and none of his apocalyptic predictions have come true, will he think he's wasted his life? That he's lived in fear for decades for nothing?

What has given you any indication that he has "lived in fear for decades"?

His entire life is oriented around fear. He's convinced a nuclear attack is coming and it seems to control his life.

“… if ye are prepared, ye shall not fear….
D&C 38:30

[gkearney]

It's not so much that he is fearful himself as it is that he has made a career out of selling "fear porn".

[nightlight]

It's not so much that he is fearful himself as it is that he has made a career out of selling "fear porn".

Coming from the "Lock Down" crowd? . Masked....gloved...vaxxed.

Reality is "fear porn" to the pacified.

[gruden2.0]

He's getting up there in age. I often wonder what he'll think about his life? When he's on his death bed (hopefully not any time soon), and none of his apocalyptic predictions have come true, will he think he's wasted his life? That he's lived in fear for decades for nothing?

What has given you any indication that he has "lived in fear for decades"?

His entire life is oriented around fear. He's convinced a nuclear attack is coming and it seems to control his life.

If you care to look through Gen Conf talks of the past, nuclear attack has been spoken of as a certainty by various speakers. Understanding what is to come does not mean one lives in fear. The Lord has shown many people in visions and dreams horrible things that will come to pass, you can even seen in Isaiah hints of nuclear attacks and utter devastation (the latter is more than hints). Does it mean I or anyone who believes this is living in fear because I believe what is in the scriptures, or those that have been given insight into these things?

It's little wonder why the TBMs that post here have little credibility. Some of the things posted are huge assumptions and often make no sense. Those who claim to believe seem to have the most unbelief.

[Senkyoshi]

Ldsff seems to love the false choice between "the sky is falling!" and "All is well in Zion!" Maybe, just maybe, it's not either?

So very well put!

[FrankOne]

It's not so much that he is fearful himself as it is that he has made a career out of selling "fear porn".

He chose what he liked to do, like every human does. He likes research. He likes the subject of prepping. He likes talking with his long time contacts about world plans.

It's what he does.

When tshtf, all those calling his work 'fear porn' will wonder why they never read his books like the one about relocating to a safer area. These folks will, one day, be looking out their windows of their pretty houses, in the finely sculptured subdivision, filled with abject fear and horror, watching several homes on fire on their street as people run like cattle.

don't think so? It doesn't matter, because every prophecy in every scripture and every modern prophet has written it. There isn't a single prophecy that "it all gets better'". Not one. Maybe people need a bit of fear to move them and that will unfortunately happen for 95% of the population. .....when its too late.

We are living in the days of Germany pre-nazi takeover. The signs are everywhere and Joel Skousen is skilled at getting the word out.

It doesn't get better until the millennium, get used to it and plan accordingly. or not.

[nightlight]

Lol
Did he say this? Do you know how he spends all his hours?

you are assuming again

Can a man not dig a well and think at the same time? lol

You speak of living in fear.

Did you mask up and get your vaccine?

His books, videos, and podcasts are all about living in fear. It's all he does.

I masked and vaxed when I had to, because I didn't care. I was neither afraid of getting COVID nor was I afraid of the vax.

I agree with a lot of the things that he says, I also prep.... but I do not live my life in fear.

The fact you automatically assume someone lives in fear when they work to warn people of these prophesized things....says a lot

And when you break it down, I believe that you just don't think these things are going to happen to you.

I don't believe you actually believe that secret combinations have gotten above our government. Like the cabal Satan worshiping kind.

You say you HAVe to vax and mask up.... This is more evidence that you do not understand the world around you

These are the root of your opinions about dudes work( imo )

"Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion! "

This isn't a some of the time thing for him. He's written multiple books about it. It's his whole thing.

Secret combinations are in control in some countries, but not most yet.

Walmart used to say I had to have a mask on to go in. Since I didn't care whether or not I wore one, I wore it.

Ldsff seems to love the false choice between "the sky is falling!" and "All is well in Zion!" Maybe, just maybe, it's not either?

Secret Combinations have gotten above the USA.
You're asleep to our awful situation.

It's not faith that keeps fear from you if you're simply just ignorant of the world you live in

[mudflap]

Was it fear or faith that caused the run on toilet paper by the general membership of the church in Utah in March of 2020? :

https://kjzz.com/news/local/utah-among- ... ailability

According to a Healthtrends, Utah is ranked the third most concerned state when it comes to toilet paper availability....

The data shows that the western United States has the most panic buying of toilet paper.

If you were "following the prophet", then in March of 2020, you were fear-hoard-buying toilet paper. If you were following Skousen, you already had plenty of toilet paper.

Getting gaslighted at conference later that same year (October 2020), where we were told "don't blame us, we've been telling you for years to be prepared!" which sounded less like being prepared, and more like, "we didn't see this coming" (gaslighting).

A text search for all things preparedness related (food storage, prepare, canning) shows that this hasn't been widely discussed in GC for at least 20 years - and definitely not in October 2019. And don't tell me to prove it - prove it yourself here: https://www.lds-general-conference.org/:



In my stake, it comes up rarely. I haven't heard it for a few years now. Last time it came up, it was a 5th Sunday "here, sign this paper and tell us where your food storage is so we can come confiscate it if necessary. You covenanted to do this, btw." Literally.

Again, if you were "following the prophet" in March of 2020, you were clueless about what was coming until it was too late:

Matt 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away;

[Godislove]

What a juvenile take

How can you look around you and not think that mass destruction is that a door?

Your response seems to be that he's right, not that he isn't led by fear.

I don't know the man. But It's silly to assume he lives his life in fear because he believes the prophets/scriptures are seeing/speaking of our day.

The world is a powder keg.
Spirituality aside.... Just pure logic and math,how can anyone not see this eventuality ? Look at how we hold our money.....look at what our money is worth.
Look at how we get our food/water. Look at how we stay warm. Look at how foreign powers view us. Look at how Americans view eachother Etc

Then combine that common sense with scriptures and prophecy?

You belong to the CoJCoLDS....the folks who make a pillar out of the Book of Mormon,and you think a person who works to get people ready for the end of the gentiles... is a person who's life is lived in fear ???

It is fear. He believes that he can control his future by just being prepared enough. There are a billion things that can happen. You can prepare all you want, but you can never prepare for everything.

Faith is the opposite of fear. Instead of spending his time digging wells or whatever, his time would be much better spent on spiritual matters. No one gets out of this world alive. It's okay to accept that we're all going to die. We can't prevent it. We can make our lives worthwhile.

Or maybe he has followed the Lord's admonition to prepare every needful thing.
If you're truly spiritually prepared you will also be physically prepared because they truly go hand in hand.

Isaiah 3:1
For, behold, the Lord, the Lord of hosts, doth take away from Jerusalem and from Judah the stay and the staff, the whole stay of bread, and the whole stay of water.

There may come a day you wish you'd spent a little of your time preparing every needful thing and learning to dig a well.

[FrankOne]

I see no fear in him. He speaks of subjects that causes others to fear, that is true. Those that use the word "fearmongering" are those that feel that fear. The ones doing research and trying to give a heads up about what is going on this world are not fearful, they are staying informed. I agree that he's been talking about this for a very long time, but that doesn't diminish the fact that we are headed the direction that he has described.

there is no doubt in my mind that we'll have world war in our lives. My guestimate is 1-5 yrs before it actually starts. I use the word "starts" meaning that at least three countries are involved. So, if Russia does take Ukraine and moves onto another country, I would call that the beginning. China taking Taiwan is a given at this point. What else? Turkey vs Greece, Iran vs Israel. It's been a very very slow process, but without a doubt, it has been building up.

We aren't going in the direction he thinks, because he's been wrong too much. He thought the nuke attack would be 2012, then 2015, then 2020.
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If you read further down the thread of the link you provided, you will find this:
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Re: Joel Skousen : America to be Nuked This Summer

Post by 7cylon7 » May 1st, 2012, 11:54 am
Okay, heard the entire interview, it was a great interview. Joel is one of the best sources of information about what TPTB are doing and want to accomplish. He is more relaxed than Alex Jones is but has great information.

Joel believes from his sources and reading the documents from those organizations and news media outlets that Russian and China will be induced to attack the US sometime around 2020 to 2023.
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note the bolded portions. Post date and prediction.

In that thread, he said slight possibility it would be earlier but he gave a 90% chance for the time period stated above.

He said this in 2012. I would say that he has profound insight.

And when 2023 comes and goes with no attack?

weak response.

your first assertion that he said it would happen in previous years and they failed was weak as well.

good luck to you.

[Thinker]

…I masked and vaxed when I had to, because I didn't care. I was neither afraid of getting COVID nor was I afraid of the vax.

You make valid points about Skousen - as with anything/one - take the best, leave the rest.

What you wrote above makes no sense.
If you didn’t care what others thought, you wouldn’t wear a mask that harms more than helps, and you wouldn’t have caved to medical coercion to take an experimental shot. You played Russian roulette… plenty got the saline shot, some got deadly shots and many got a shot with delayed negative effects. Fear has a survival purpose - like not doing stupid things like taking unknown concoctions into your body just because “everyone’s doing it.”

[mudflap]

…I masked and vaxed when I had to, because I didn't care. I was neither afraid of getting COVID nor was I afraid of the vax.

You make valid points about Skousen - as with anything/one - take the best, leave the rest.

What you wrote above makes no sense.
If you didn’t care what others thought, you wouldn’t wear a mask that harms more than helps, and you wouldn’t have caved to medical coercion to take an experimental shot. You played Russian roulette… plenty got the saline shot, some got deadly shots and many got a shot with delayed negative effects. Fear has a survival purpose - like not doing stupid things like taking unknown concoctions into your body just because “everyone’s doing it.”

good point.

When it came to the fear of getting the shot vs the fear of losing my job, I was more afraid of getting the shot.

or maybe I love my wife, and I don't want a heart attack to take me away from her?

[Moroni104]

I just watched the video. I like to watch things like this when I do exercises, and this fit into my schedule.

Here is the summary:

-Globalists (people in the West who are trying to impose a global world government) are allowing Russia and China to build up their nuclear weapons, expectinig the Russians and Chinese to make a first strike in the next 3 to 5 years.
-He expects the strike to happen when the Chinese and Russians have reached superiority in their supersonic, maneuverable nuclear missiles.
-The globalists want this strike because they believe that the strike will only attack destroy the US military, but not other stuff.
-According to Skousen, the US military will not respond to a first strike, instead they will allow the nuclear war heads to land and destroy most of our arsenal.
-The globalists want this because then we will be in a big war, which I guess (Skousen never said) the globalists West expect to eventually win.
-The globalists believe this world war III will finally usher in a one world government
-The US military, (according to Skousen) has put 21 trillion dollars of weapons into space that have the capability to shoot missiles down.
-These missiles in space will be used to prevent a 2nd strike from Russia or China, and the west, after forming a one-world government, will unite (and apparently--this was not discussed) defeat China and Russia.

Other thing of note:
- Skousen doesn't think the war will start in Ukraine.
- Skousen also doesn't think it will start in Tiawan; in fact he thinks the Chinese may take Tiawan, and we don't respond.
- Skousen believes seems to believe there will be a first strike, but also at the same time North Korea will attack China. He says that North Korea has 1 million soldies but South Korea has 60k (although I looked it up online and South Korea has 1 million).
- He says we only have 400 nuclear missiles ready to strike back (again Russian's 3000)

My opinion on his facts:

So.... his idea about all of these missiles in space seems to be a conspiracy theory, as does his concept of the South Korean military.

My overall opinion:

I think a lot of his analysis is correct.

I think that if we end up in a war with Rusia or China, that these countries will do a first strike rather than try to have a conventional war.

I think it is important to plan to have some way for nuclear shielding, if it is you goal to physically survive. ... You need 3 feet of earth above you.

Artexerxes makes some interesting points which are that nobody is going to get out a live

My kids have already reached the age where they can take care of themselves and and have moved out. And because of health related issues my wife will not survive an event like this. So... I would be all alone.

While I have spent a lot of time prepping during my lifetime, and I have made a lot of preparations, I am also aware that 1) these type of events may not happen in my life, and 2 ) if they do happen, I may die, which is okay.

I suppose I may feel differently when I have grand children and want to protect them.

I think that eventualy the world will, at some point in the future either have a nuclear first strike or a world-wide disease pandemic, and I do believe people like those running the WEF will be trying to take advantage of it.

Becase I believe the killing events will be nuclear fall out or disease, I think a lot of my neighbors will die quite quickly... before we fight each other over food.

[harakim]

Joel Skousen sounds really good, but he always puts it just far enough out that relocating to somewhere his real estate company sells is good. Even the poster defending Joel admitted that he changed his 2020-2023 (I heard 2020-2024 from Joel) timeline. In the video, he says it will happen before 2030.

I can already tell you what's going to happen in so much as it matters to the individual. And it will be the same perception for democrats and republicans. The "establishment" will crack down and oppress people too much and the perceptor's side will fight back. The oppressors will crack down on them. There will be lots of fear, but then soon (because attention spans are short) a new hope. Everyone will seem to be in mortal danger, but a large movement of rebels will offer to protect the aforementioned perceptor. Thy will then do unspeakable things or at a minimum knowingly support such things. Through fear, the new hope will continually demand more and more control over the life of the perceptor and they'll give it to them, off and on questioning if it's the right thing. By the end of the war, the opposite side will be defeated as the people realize the new hope was right all along. And now everyone collectively will have a new set of oppressors who have a much deeper level of control.

Both sides will be controlled by the globalists of course, but basically everyone will fall for this plan hook, line and sinker. Caught in the middle will be the people who desire to be left alone. Both sides will label them enemies. It's going to be pyramid of fear vs peace, freedom and the still small voice of truth. A

This has been programmed through so many movies like the Hunger Games, the Matrix, Star Wars, Fight Club and I'm sure thousands of others I'm not even aware of. Not only that, but who can trust the government at this point? COVID turned everyone against them. Everyone is waking up. Isn't that convenient? The rebels will be the establishment. And everyone will support the "rebels".

[NeveR]

I'm afraid Joel Skousen comes over to me as a very typical controlled op. He offers a very moderated form of "opposition" that is based on accepting 95% of the mainstream narrative as true. He deals in the same fear porn as the MSM but spins it differently.

And see, controlled ops don't even need to know that's what they are. In fact in my experience they mostly don't.

They're usually from a very solid establishment background wherein respect for the official narrative is simply the norm. They personally know many politicians, churchmen & other public figures and feel personal loyalty & friendship towards them. This naturally limits their skepticism without anyone having to given them an order, and it therefore makes them ideal "controlled op" specimens.

Just my perspective fwiw

[mudflap]

all I need to know about Joel is that he likes LHBA.

https://joelskousen.com/Secure/recommen ... l#loghomes

[technomagus]

I think Skousens idea is do all you can do you help yourself and you family to make it through, and the God will do the rest. But if you decide to act the part of the grasshopper instead of the ant, then you guarantee yourself a hard time, especially when everyone can see that hard times are coming. Align yourself with living a better, more independant life, without being reliant on a fragile, exploitive system. You benefit even if tough times come or not.

[Thinker]

good point.

When it came to the fear of getting the shot vs the fear of losing my job, I was more afraid of getting the shot.

or maybe I love my wife, and I don't want a heart attack to take me away from her?

good call, though not easy.

Spoiler

My husband took the shot - not for work - but for travel, even though I was against it & pointed out how he tested positive for “Covid” so he already had natural immunity. Tonight he’s complaining of heart pain. I’m worried. Gave him CoQ10 & he’s taking a bunch of garlic etc.

[mudflap]

I think Skousens idea is do all you can do you help yourself and you family to make it through, and the God will do the rest. But if you decide to act the part of the grasshopper instead of the ant, then you guarantee yourself a hard time, especially when everyone can see that hard times are coming. Align yourself with living a better, more independant life, without being reliant on a fragile, exploitive system. You benefit even if tough times come or not.

yes, I think so, too. And that USED to be a pioneer motto:

use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without

but the modern church will just say, "what's a pioneer?"

[mudflap]

good point.

When it came to the fear of getting the shot vs the fear of losing my job, I was more afraid of getting the shot.

or maybe I love my wife, and I don't want a heart attack to take me away from her?

good call, though not easy.

Spoiler

My husband took the shot - not for work - but for travel, even though I was against it & pointed out how he tested positive for “Covid” so he already had natural immunity. Tonight he’s complaining of heart pain. I’m worried. Gave him CoQ10 & he’s taking a bunch of garlic etc.

I am so sorry to hear this. I hope he can pull through this, and I hope the detox he is trying works.

Not everyone can just up and quit their job, I get it. I give credit to my awesome wife, who said at the time, "we'll just live poor - I've been really poor before". And I grew up poor - single mom, 5 siblings; I went to school hungry in the mornings when we didn't have food, for real. But I also have a lot of skills now, so I knew I could "work under the table" if need be, until this idiotic "mandate" that luckily never happened blew over, which we are lucky it did blow over.

It was an eye-opener for sure. I refused to get the shot so I could travel - ended up missing my Step-dad's funeral because of it. I guess I just have some red-lines I won't cross. I will not get the shot.

But our focus for the last 10 years - and especially the last 6 - has been to divest ourselves from "Babylon" (debt, reliance on a dysfunctional food supply chain, loans, car payments, etc.).

We are within a few months of moving into our cabin - just a few more "big ticket" items, like a hot water heater, HVAC unit (I found one today - heat and cooling or $250 - I hope the guy lets me buy it tomorrow and that it has no issues - I wouldn't even buy one, except it's required for all new builds in my area, grrrr!), a bit more insulation in the gable, and a toilet and sink. Then it's just drywall. already have the finished floor stacked up ready to nail in, and tile for the bathrooms. Once we move in, we can finish the rest while we live there.

[Thinker]

I am so sorry to hear this. I hope he can pull through this, and I hope the detox he is trying works.

Not everyone can just up and quit their job, I get it. I give credit to my awesome wife, who said at the time, "we'll just live poor - I've been really poor before". And I grew up poor - single mom, 5 siblings; I went to school hungry in the mornings when we didn't have food, for real. But I also have a lot of skills now, so I knew I could "work under the table" if need be, until this idiotic "mandate" that luckily never happened blew over, which we are lucky it did blow over.

It was an eye-opener for sure. I refused to get the shot so I could travel - ended up missing my Step-dad's funeral because of it. I guess I just have some red-lines I won't cross. I will not get the shot.

But our focus for the last 10 years - and especially the last 6 - has been to divest ourselves from "Babylon" (debt, reliance on a dysfunctional food supply chain, loans, car payments, etc.).

We are within a few months of moving into our cabin - just a few more "big ticket" items, like a hot water heater, HVAC unit (I found one today - heat and cooling or $250 - I hope the guy lets me buy it tomorrow and that it has no issues - I wouldn't even buy one, except it's required for all new builds in my area, grrrr!), a bit more insulation in the gable, and a toilet and sink. Then it's just drywall. already have the finished floor stacked up ready to nail in, and tile for the bathrooms. Once we move in, we can finish the rest while we live there.

Thanks for your well-wishes.

You are doing what I’d like to do eventually. Good to be self-sufficient.

I saw pictures of what you have done with your home - awesome! And your wife did good on the hearth area. Impressive you two!

[gruden2.0]

I masked and vaxed when I had to, because I didn't care. I was neither afraid of getting COVID nor was I afraid of the vax.

I wasn't afraid of Covid. I was exposed multiple times to multiple variations over the last couple years (probably many more times than I'm aware of) and never got it. There was someone I was listening to who sounded the alarm while it was going on in China before it got here, before it hit the mainstream, which gave me a couple months to prepare.

Was I fearful? Don't think so. When it finally hit the States, I was probably more calm than most because I had made preparations. When my immuno-compromised spouse got it, my preps helped her make it through without being sent to the hospital (likely a death sentence at that time).

If you take the time to analyze your own statements, if you were really concerned so little as you claim, you wouldn't have bothered with the vax. Why did you take it if you didn't care? One some deeper level there was fear of not complying? You have not proven any kind of bravery to yourself or anyone else by doing what you were told. In the quiet of your mind, consider why you did it. There are many things in life people say you should do that you don't do, so why follow the crowd this time? What was different for you this time? Behind your bluster there's something there worth privately examining.

Talk about fear porn, the media and various organizations were spreading fear big time: get the vax or you were endangering everyone, including yourself. Get the vax or you or someone you know will die. Does it get any more fear porn than that? People were so freaked out to the point old friendships and family ties were severed. Couples got divorced over the vax.

The fear is deep-down, and it seems to be where you aren't looking. It takes some kind of conviction to resist the overwhelming tide to do something you think is wrong (or in your case, not meaningful). Some people have proven they do not fear man, even in the face of real consequences. God has said a few things about such people in the scriptures, so that seems pretty meaningful. I think TPTB are more concerned about people like that than people like you because, after all, you've proven you'll comply, and in the end, that's all that matters.

[gruden2.0]

I'm afraid Joel Skousen comes over to me as a very typical controlled op. He offers a very moderated form of "opposition" that is based on accepting 95% of the mainstream narrative as true. He deals in the same fear porn as the MSM but spins it differently.

And see, controlled ops don't even need to know that's what they are. In fact in my experience they mostly don't.

They're usually from a very solid establishment background wherein respect for the official narrative is simply the norm. They personally know many politicians, churchmen & other public figures and feel personal loyalty & friendship towards them. This naturally limits their skepticism without anyone having to given them an order, and it therefore makes them ideal "controlled op" specimens.

Just my perspective fwiw

If I may ask, who isn't controlled opposition in your view? That accusation is thrown around so much, the only ones who benefit is TPTB to keep us confused.

If you look at where Joel came from, his perspective should be pretty clear. He has his own thinking on events, and while I don't think he's always right, there's nothing I see that suggests he's controlled opposition. If you want to level that accusation at someone like Tulsi Gabbard I could totally see that, but given who Joel's dad was and what he wrote about, I'm skeptical.