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Right now, following the 2022 midterm elections seems like a pretty good time to summarize and size-up where things stand in the U.S., right now in terms of politics, policy, the economy, etc., as well as the future that is starting to take shape.

Recognizing that it's all just bread and circuses at this point, and that both major parties have a Progressive agenda, are filled with Socialists, and are complete disasters in terms of leading this country in sound policy, as they waltz back and forth and intentionally divide this country even further and deliberately push it ever closer to ultimate and eventual civil war, in an effort to further concentrate and centralize power and control..

With that disclaimer, with respect to applied politics, let's start out with Donald Trump.  I'll have to admit, although his whole persona and demeanor really grate on me, when it comes to policy, and delivering on his promises, etc., I think he actually did a great job of starting to move this country back in the right direction. Not perfect, but no one is.  He had a very positive, long-lasting impact on SCOTUS, and did good things for the economy, and foreign trade, etc. I think he was on the right path, and should have been a shoo-in for re-election -- despite the ridiculous amount of turn-over in his administration.  Then COVID hit.  Whether by design or whatever, from that point forward, it's pretty tough to be a DT fan. He went along with the whole scamdemic lock, stock and barrel.  He supported masks, lock-downs, and sought to develop a vaccine in warp speed. The Left completely weaponized COVID against him.  At that moment, his strongest card was the economy, but in order to attempt to prop-up the economy through all the lock-down B.S., he adopted a policy of printing and throwing around money like confetti at a New Year's day parade. Obviously, that had a huge impact on the ultimate inflation that we have now been seeing that has now essentially killed the economy that he started to create. But the other biggest thing that contributed to inflation (and still is) was all the supply chain glitches which resulted directly from the scamdemic.  As far as I am concerned at this point, Trump should get essentially an F for his handling of the pandemic, and it was his handling of it (not Biden's -- which hasn't actually been that much different) that created the kind of economic forces (inflation, etc.) that ultimately got the economy on its current track, and laid the policy groundwork for where it's headed.

Then we've got Joe Biden.  And honestly, although it may only be a matter of the greater of two evils, I can't think of a single good or positive thing that he has done.  In addition to tipping us closer and closer to civil war, he's also actively courting WWIII.  His pandemic approach is the same as Trumps, but on steroids.  And his economic policies are about the same, but even worse.  Between COVID, Climate Change, Green New Deal, Abortion, LGBTQ, Gun Control, Open Borders, etc., it honestly looks like he and his cohorts are determined to completely destroy this country as we know it.  Policy-wise, he and his administration are a total disaster, from start to finish. But, on the bright side, he doesn't have near as much personnel turn-over as Trump did. 

In light of all that, despite the fact that Republicans and their policies are simply the lesser of two evils, with the current state of the economy, etc., (which affects everyone fairly equally) they should have delivered a massive Red Wave in this midterm election.  But they didn't.  They barely squeaked by and gained minimal ground at all.  A big part of that probably has to do with Trump and his insistence on attempting to continue to be the primary power broker, and how he is dividing the party in the process, with little other real leadership. In a nutshell, politically we are going from bad to worse. Fast.

So, here  we are, a sharply divided  nation, with an economic mess on our hands (that Trump had just as much to do with as Biden), flirting with both WWIII, civil war, and a completely Woke agenda, with no real leader(s), but with the Democrats currently in the driver's seat, and on track to stay there, allowing WEF, Schwab, Gates and company to completely lead this country around by the nose, both economically and policy-wise, straight down a socialistic Marxist path to He!!.   

So, where do we go from here?

Thoughts? 
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I personally believe what's next is continued decline weakening every structure of society, causing the legs of the table to buckle and break

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1. The age of outburst (or pioneers).
2. The age of conquests.
3. The age of commerce.
4. The age of affluence.
5. The age of intellect.
6. The age of decadence.
7. The age of decline and collapse.

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We’re heading straight into the arms of the globalist masters and are set up to be serfs.

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tmac wrote: November 12th, 2022, 2:59 pm Right now, following the 2022 midterm elections seems like a pretty good time to summarize and size-up where things stand in the U.S., right now in terms of politics, policy, the economy, etc., as well as the future that is starting to take shape.

Recognizing that it's all just bread and circuses at this point, and that both major parties have a Progressive agenda, are filled with Socialists, and are complete disasters in terms of leading this country, as they waltz back and forth and intentionally divide this country even further and deliberately push it ever closer to ultimate and eventual civil war, in an effort to further concentrate and centralize power and control..

With that disclaimer, with respect to applied politics, let's start out with Donald Trump.  I'll have to admit, although his whole persona and demeanor really grate on me, when it comes to policy, and delivering on his promises, etc., I think he actually did a great job.  Not perfect, but no one is.  He had a very positive, long-lasting impact on SCOTUS, and did good things for the economy, and foreign trade, etc. I think he was on the right path, and should have been a shoo-in for re-election -- despite the ridiculous amount of turn-over in his administration.  Then COVID hit.  Whether by design or whatever, from that point forward, it's pretty tough to be a DT fan. He went along with the whole scamdemic lock, stock and barrel.  He supported masks, lock-downs, and sought to develop a vaccine in warp speed. The Left completely weaponized COVID against him.  At that moment, his strongest card was the economy, but in order to attempt to prop-up the economy through all the lock-down B.S., he adopted a policy of printing and throwing around money like confetti at a New Year's day parade. Obviously, that had a huge impact on the inflation that we have been seeing that essentially killed the economy that he was creating. But the other biggest thing that contributed to inflation (and still is) was all the supply chain glitches which resulted directly from the scamdemic.  As far as I am concern, Trump should get essentially an F for his handling of the pandemic, and it was his handling of it (not Biden's -- which hasn't actually been that much different) that created the kind of forces (inflation, etc.) that started to kill the economy, and laid the policy groundwork for where the economy is today, and where it's headed.

Then we've got Joe Biden.  And honestly, although it may only be a matter of the greater of two evils, I can't think of a sinsgle good or positive thing that he has done.  In addition to tipping us closer and closer to civil war, he's also actively courting WWIII.  His pandemic approach is the same as Trumps, but on steroids.  And his economic policies are about the same.  Between COVID, Climate Change, Green New Deal, Abortion, LGBTQ, Gun Control, Open Borders, etc., it honestly looks like he and his cohorts are determined to destroy this country as we know it.  Policy-wise, he and his administration are a total disaster, from start to finish. But, on the bright side, he doesn't have near as much personnel turn-over as Trump did. 

In light of all that, despite the fact that Republicans and their policies are simply the lesser of two evils, with the current state of the economy, etc., (which affects everyone fairly equally) they should have delivered a massive Red Wave in this midterm election.  But they didn't.  They barely squeaked by and gained minimal ground at all.  A big part of that probably has to do with Trump and his insistence on attempting to continue to be the primary power broker, and how he is dividing the party in the process, with little other real leadership. 

So, here  we are, a sharply divided  nation, with an economic mess on our hands (that Trump had just as much to do with as Biden), flirting with both WWIII, civil war, and a completely Woke agenda, with no real leader(s), but with the Democrats currently in the driver's seat, allowing WEF, Schwab, Gates and company to completely lead this country around by the nose, both economically and policy-wise.   

So, where do we go from here?

Thoughts? 
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A gathering, but when and where?

Perhaps me website holds the key.

I’m already here. :lol:

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I’m not worried, all of this is prophesied, we just need to read it with an open mind and let the spirit guide us. Trust in the lord.

Revelation 13

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

I’m not old enough to resist the federal reserve, stop the laws that allowed super pacts, this list can go on and on!

All we can do is trust in the Lord.

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After prosperity and wickedness there is always hard times and the people become humble again. We are headed for a big fat hard time humbling. Will the people become humble or not? We will soon see.

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I'm in general agreement on all of the previous posts on this thread and feel like this is an important topic.

The question in the OP hasn't really been answered although BND sort of did in his typically cryptic fashion.

I am not suggesting violence, but at what point does that become the answer - i.e. what line has to be crossed that violence becomes necessary?

I am fully in favor of going off grid, homesteading, even building Zion communities. But the direction things are going, I expect that the vice grip is going to be tightened, neighbors will be reporting neighbors, and communities will be Waco'd.

For sure the mark of the beast is coming and even already here in some places.

Those who don't want to be forced into fighting their brother must needs flee to Zion, but is Zion truly even established, and if so, where?

I've done what I can to establish Zion in my own heart - OK truth in advertising that's not 100% true, but I have tried.

I'd like to hear more ideas on "Where do we go from here?

I think one thing that is critical is we get state officials and even at the local level (especially sheriffs) that are willing to nullify any unconstitutional laws and who will stand up against Fed enforcement. Like not go to war, but will just ignore.

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Many people in the world are asking themselves this same question. But I think there are two main undercurrents that intersect any violent expression - invoking a living by/dying by the sword spiral and falling right into the globalists' carefully laid snare. If we look at how divided things are in gender, race, politics, religion (lds not excluded), geography, medicine, it is plain to see the strategy is division with the conquering taking care of itself. If what they wanted was a civil war, they could not have possibly picked better circumstances to have it under. With civil war, the fighting will not be fair (the response to the rebel forces will not be proportionate to the original offense) and it will ready the emergency that will allow the final power grab.

If the small group of globalists seize power directly, they will be seen to blame and they might unleash the sheer brute force of humanity seeking their utter destruction. They seem to be fully aware of this power imbalance. The only way they can win is to persuade other people to do it or at least go along with it. (For more information on conquering with ease see Covid roll out)

Therefore, they need to incite conflict to accomplish their goals. Turn on the news. Do you feel more at peace with the world? So where do we go from here?

We prepare ourselves physically the best we can to be self sufficient. Health will be key. Inflation will be an ongoing concern. As far as locations, large cities should be self explanatory by observing traffic on good days. Off grid may not necessarily be the answer either (look at "accidental" wildfires and water table shortages caused by corporate wells) Someone can always rain on your parade if they wanted to. Assess what would impact you where you are and by who. Plan accordingly.

Create a refuge from storms created by the God of this world. Limit your Babylonian intake. It is kind of crazy but the devil needs public interest to relevantly rage in the hearts of men. He has no power but what we give him which is mental real estate. We may need to deal with other people who do lease out their minds to the adversary. We will need to interact with them. They may be in pain. They are still children of our heavenly father.

We can defend our families and loved ones on our property if the need arises. The Lord would uphold such I believe. We recognize not all will follow this path but try to fill the world with the light and love of Christ. Brighten days. Give people hope. Small things add up and can slow down Satan's work. This is a spiritual war first and foremost. It operates on spiritual principles before physical ones.

Remember the LDS corporation is a temporary vehicle for mortality only. If you get better gas mileage with it, great! but mormons are few and the number of saved souls has already dwarfed church membership. Try to still enjoy one simple pleasure a day. It will keep you sane in the midst of chaos. We still need to vote for now. Romney characters can't solve all of our problems but we can expose them all as our problems. We need to assert our rights as citizens and encourages others to do the same. Courage is contagious. Above all we need to stay open minded and learning from the Lord independently. He will gather us in when it is time. He will let us know what other tools are needed in our bag but we will still continue to grow on our journey back. This concludes this Sunday Session of Specific Conference.

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Christians in every generation have had to face the very same...............Wars, strife, greed, unjust goverments and Kings, false Messiahs and prophets, all manner of strangeness and sins,...
The devout Christian simply kneels at the foot of the Cross, begs for mercy and forgiveness, not just for himself, family and friends but also for his feircest foes............

Remember what our Lord Jesus said concerning the last days...........

"The Love of many will grow cold"

And so my friends never let the "Love" that the Lord Jesus has planted in your hearts by His indwelling spirit grow cold, always be found in steadfast prayer at the foot of Christs Cross that His Spirit might always find a place in your hearts and then you shall have power, yes even that pure love of Christ Jesus to endure all things in our generation.

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tmac wrote: November 12th, 2022, 2:59 pm Right now, following the 2022 midterm elections seems like a pretty good time to summarize and size-up where things stand in the U.S., right now in terms of politics, policy, the economy, etc., as well as the future that is starting to take shape.

Recognizing that it's all just bread and circuses at this point, and that both major parties have a Progressive agenda, are filled with Socialists, and are complete disasters in terms of leading this country in sound policy, as they waltz back and forth and intentionally divide this country even further and deliberately push it ever closer to ultimate and eventual civil war, in an effort to further concentrate and centralize power and control..

With that disclaimer, with respect to applied politics, let's start out with Donald Trump.  I'll have to admit, although his whole persona and demeanor really grate on me, when it comes to policy, and delivering on his promises, etc., I think he actually did a great job of starting to move this country back in the right direction. Not perfect, but no one is.  He had a very positive, long-lasting impact on SCOTUS, and did good things for the economy, and foreign trade, etc. I think he was on the right path, and should have been a shoo-in for re-election -- despite the ridiculous amount of turn-over in his administration.  Then COVID hit.  Whether by design or whatever, from that point forward, it's pretty tough to be a DT fan. He went along with the whole scamdemic lock, stock and barrel.  He supported masks, lock-downs, and sought to develop a vaccine in warp speed. The Left completely weaponized COVID against him.  At that moment, his strongest card was the economy, but in order to attempt to prop-up the economy through all the lock-down B.S., he adopted a policy of printing and throwing around money like confetti at a New Year's day parade. Obviously, that had a huge impact on the ultimate inflation that we have now been seeing that has now essentially killed the economy that he started to create. But the other biggest thing that contributed to inflation (and still is) was all the supply chain glitches which resulted directly from the scamdemic.  As far as I am concerned at this point, Trump should get essentially an F for his handling of the pandemic, and it was his handling of it (not Biden's -- which hasn't actually been that much different) that created the kind of economic forces (inflation, etc.) that ultimately got the economy on its current track, and laid the policy groundwork for where it's headed.

Then we've got Joe Biden.  And honestly, although it may only be a matter of the greater of two evils, I can't think of a single good or positive thing that he has done.  In addition to tipping us closer and closer to civil war, he's also actively courting WWIII.  His pandemic approach is the same as Trumps, but on steroids.  And his economic policies are about the same, but even worse.  Between COVID, Climate Change, Green New Deal, Abortion, LGBTQ, Gun Control, Open Borders, etc., it honestly looks like he and his cohorts are determined to completely destroy this country as we know it.  Policy-wise, he and his administration are a total disaster, from start to finish. But, on the bright side, he doesn't have near as much personnel turn-over as Trump did. 

In light of all that, despite the fact that Republicans and their policies are simply the lesser of two evils, with the current state of the economy, etc., (which affects everyone fairly equally) they should have delivered a massive Red Wave in this midterm election.  But they didn't.  They barely squeaked by and gained minimal ground at all.  A big part of that probably has to do with Trump and his insistence on attempting to continue to be the primary power broker, and how he is dividing the party in the process, with little other real leadership. In a nutshell, politically we are going from bad to worse. Fast.

So, here  we are, a sharply divided  nation, with an economic mess on our hands (that Trump had just as much to do with as Biden), flirting with both WWIII, civil war, and a completely Woke agenda, with no real leader(s), but with the Democrats currently in the driver's seat, and on track to stay there, allowing WEF, Schwab, Gates and company to completely lead this country around by the nose, both economically and policy-wise, straight down a socialistic Marxist path to He!!.   

So, where do we go from here?

Thoughts? 
I agree with much of what you said...however I feel you were placing way to much blame on Trump.

1. Most Inflation we now see was intentionally created by Biden's energy policy...period. when you take gasoline from 2 to 5 dollars a gallon...EVERYTHING goes up in price. From UPS rates to food...EVERYTHING you buy is impacted. This will not change with progressive greens in charge.

2. Trump never mandated the deadly-jab, while Biden most certainly did. Pence was actually the traitor that brought in Fauci and company. Pence set Trump up on many fronts. Pence is an absolute treasonous traitor. Trump should admit the deadly-jab is deadly, that is on him.

3. The GOP are mostly traitor's. They are not even discussing election fraud...which is massive (both 2020 and 2022). The establishment GOP are aligned with the Democrat's...both are aligned with the globalists.

4. If the nation is to survive, the globalists must be defeated across the board. From McConnell and Romney to Pelosi and Schiff. But...elections are totally corrupt. So...unless we as a people rise up and insist on in person voting with ID required, paper ballots, surpervised hand counting...nothing is going to change.

The globalists WANT to take down America...that's the plan. Unless we figure that out and do something about it...we are totally screwed.

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Original_Intent wrote: November 12th, 2022, 4:43 pm I'm in general agreement on all of the previous posts on this thread and feel like this is an important topic.

The question in the OP hasn't really been answered although BND sort of did in his typically cryptic fashion.
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tmac wrote: November 12th, 2022, 2:59 pm Right now, following the 2022 midterm elections seems like a pretty good time to summarize and size-up where things stand in the U.S., right now in terms of politics, policy, the economy, etc., as well as the future that is starting to take shape.

Recognizing that it's all just bread and circuses at this point, and that both major parties have a Progressive agenda, are filled with Socialists, and are complete disasters in terms of leading this country in sound policy, as they waltz back and forth and intentionally divide this country even further and deliberately push it ever closer to ultimate and eventual civil war, in an effort to further concentrate and centralize power and control..

With that disclaimer, with respect to applied politics, let's start out with Donald Trump.  I'll have to admit, although his whole persona and demeanor really grate on me, when it comes to policy, and delivering on his promises, etc., I think he actually did a great job of starting to move this country back in the right direction. Not perfect, but no one is.  He had a very positive, long-lasting impact on SCOTUS, and did good things for the economy, and foreign trade, etc. I think he was on the right path, and should have been a shoo-in for re-election -- despite the ridiculous amount of turn-over in his administration.  Then COVID hit.  Whether by design or whatever, from that point forward, it's pretty tough to be a DT fan. He went along with the whole scamdemic lock, stock and barrel.  He supported masks, lock-downs, and sought to develop a vaccine in warp speed. The Left completely weaponized COVID against him.  At that moment, his strongest card was the economy, but in order to attempt to prop-up the economy through all the lock-down B.S., he adopted a policy of printing and throwing around money like confetti at a New Year's day parade. Obviously, that had a huge impact on the ultimate inflation that we have now been seeing that has now essentially killed the economy that he started to create. But the other biggest thing that contributed to inflation (and still is) was all the supply chain glitches which resulted directly from the scamdemic.  As far as I am concerned at this point, Trump should get essentially an F for his handling of the pandemic, and it was his handling of it (not Biden's -- which hasn't actually been that much different) that created the kind of economic forces (inflation, etc.) that ultimately got the economy on its current track, and laid the policy groundwork for where it's headed.

Then we've got Joe Biden.  And honestly, although it may only be a matter of the greater of two evils, I can't think of a single good or positive thing that he has done.  In addition to tipping us closer and closer to civil war, he's also actively courting WWIII.  His pandemic approach is the same as Trumps, but on steroids.  And his economic policies are about the same, but even worse.  Between COVID, Climate Change, Green New Deal, Abortion, LGBTQ, Gun Control, Open Borders, etc., it honestly looks like he and his cohorts are determined to completely destroy this country as we know it.  Policy-wise, he and his administration are a total disaster, from start to finish. But, on the bright side, he doesn't have near as much personnel turn-over as Trump did. 

In light of all that, despite the fact that Republicans and their policies are simply the lesser of two evils, with the current state of the economy, etc., (which affects everyone fairly equally) they should have delivered a massive Red Wave in this midterm election.  But they didn't.  They barely squeaked by and gained minimal ground at all.  A big part of that probably has to do with Trump and his insistence on attempting to continue to be the primary power broker, and how he is dividing the party in the process, with little other real leadership. In a nutshell, politically we are going from bad to worse. Fast.

So, here  we are, a sharply divided  nation, with an economic mess on our hands (that Trump had just as much to do with as Biden), flirting with both WWIII, civil war, and a completely Woke agenda, with no real leader(s), but with the Democrats currently in the driver's seat, and on track to stay there, allowing WEF, Schwab, Gates and company to completely lead this country around by the nose, both economically and policy-wise, straight down a socialistic Marxist path to He!!.   

So, where do we go from here?

Thoughts? 

1. Do everything you can to not be dependent on the government
2. Become a trustworthy person
3. Find a community
4. Work to be a valuable member of the alternate economy
5. Support the alternate economy
6. Either hide or learn to fight


I think that the period of working within the system is over. I would be open to voting.While I feel like all candidates are probbly evil, I voted for Obama's hope and change campaign because he said the right things on the off chance he would do them. Working within the system is a shot in the dark. We should never completely give up hope. However, I think it's the end.

People are waking up. They have to do something about it. They put themselves in an awkward position: either they move fast before people wake up when they aren't ready or they wait until they're ready and most people have woken up. As an aside, I interact with liberals almost exclusively in my life and they also hate this system. The only people I know personally who got the vaccine were over fifty or Republicans - the democrats were against it. They thought the lockdowns were stupid too. Anyway, if we don't alienate them, they will be more likely to trust us than the globalists.

We can talk about bringing down the system, but what will replace it? We need to have a viable, if not comfortable, alternative ready. That means we need to support local manufacturing, grow our own food, etc. Few people will leave the mainstream, even if they know it's evil, if it can feed them and they won't get food otherwise. Every time you buy electronics from China or go to Wal-Mart for groceries, you should see that as a personal failing and the reason we aren't able to establish Zion. You don't have to feel bad about it, you just have to realize your awful situation. Try and make it a little less awful.

When the globalists see they could lose control, they will probably come after us. They'll do it a piece at a time. Maybe the independent producers will be targeted first. Then the people who speak the truth. Then everyone who believes they are wrong (like the COVID mandate). It will be some order where the remainder mostly accepts that the group is evil, like Muslims. It's easy to take arrest or eject 5% of the population from society. If you do that 10 or 15 times that's the half of society. You either need to be ready to fight or to flee. I would strongly suggest not opening with a fight in any case. Let them make the first move.

There is so much deception going on. I try to remind myself that the government could actually be in the right and it could simply be communist propaganda that makes them look so evil. It's easy to see others who are fooled, but why couldn't you also be fooled? The evil forces in this country are few and far between. They need to divide us and have us attack each other in order to win. So that's why it's important not to try and destroy, but rather try and build. If you build something good, people will flock to it. If you destroy, how do you know you're not falling into their trap for you? The worst thing we can do is alienate or destroy our allies. We will need as many as we can get.

I actually wrote a book that's related to this, more or less. If you're interested, PM me.

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We can each ask God i prayer what we personally can do to help restore and protect our freedoms that were vouchsafed in the I.S. Constitution. As answers come, we can take action. Some answers have already been given to us, such as in D&C 98:4-7, as in President Benson's October 1987 Conference address "Our Divine Constitution", and as in President Oak's April 2021 Conference address on the Constitution..

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Pray, repent, and read your scriptures. I would say gather your food storage, etc. but I believe it's probably too late for that. Next few years, perhaps decades, are gonna be rough.

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tmac wrote: November 12th, 2022, 2:59 pm Right now, following the 2022 midterm elections seems like a pretty good time to summarize and size-up where things stand in the U.S., right now in terms of politics, policy, the economy, etc., as well as the future that is starting to take shape.

Recognizing that it's all just bread and circuses at this point, and that both major parties have a Progressive agenda, are filled with Socialists, and are complete disasters in terms of leading this country in sound policy, as they waltz back and forth and intentionally divide this country even further and deliberately push it ever closer to ultimate and eventual civil war, in an effort to further concentrate and centralize power and control..

With that disclaimer, with respect to applied politics, let's start out with Donald Trump.  I'll have to admit, although his whole persona and demeanor really grate on me, when it comes to policy, and delivering on his promises, etc., I think he actually did a great job of starting to move this country back in the right direction. Not perfect, but no one is.  He had a very positive, long-lasting impact on SCOTUS, and did good things for the economy, and foreign trade, etc. I think he was on the right path, and should have been a shoo-in for re-election -- despite the ridiculous amount of turn-over in his administration.  Then COVID hit.  Whether by design or whatever, from that point forward, it's pretty tough to be a DT fan. He went along with the whole scamdemic lock, stock and barrel.  He supported masks, lock-downs, and sought to develop a vaccine in warp speed. The Left completely weaponized COVID against him.  At that moment, his strongest card was the economy, but in order to attempt to prop-up the economy through all the lock-down B.S., he adopted a policy of printing and throwing around money like confetti at a New Year's day parade. Obviously, that had a huge impact on the ultimate inflation that we have now been seeing that has now essentially killed the economy that he started to create. But the other biggest thing that contributed to inflation (and still is) was all the supply chain glitches which resulted directly from the scamdemic.  As far as I am concerned at this point, Trump should get essentially an F for his handling of the pandemic, and it was his handling of it (not Biden's -- which hasn't actually been that much different) that created the kind of economic forces (inflation, etc.) that ultimately got the economy on its current track, and laid the policy groundwork for where it's headed.

Then we've got Joe Biden.  And honestly, although it may only be a matter of the greater of two evils, I can't think of a single good or positive thing that he has done.  In addition to tipping us closer and closer to civil war, he's also actively courting WWIII.  His pandemic approach is the same as Trumps, but on steroids.  And his economic policies are about the same, but even worse.  Between COVID, Climate Change, Green New Deal, Abortion, LGBTQ, Gun Control, Open Borders, etc., it honestly looks like he and his cohorts are determined to completely destroy this country as we know it.  Policy-wise, he and his administration are a total disaster, from start to finish. But, on the bright side, he doesn't have near as much personnel turn-over as Trump did. 

In light of all that, despite the fact that Republicans and their policies are simply the lesser of two evils, with the current state of the economy, etc., (which affects everyone fairly equally) they should have delivered a massive Red Wave in this midterm election.  But they didn't.  They barely squeaked by and gained minimal ground at all.  A big part of that probably has to do with Trump and his insistence on attempting to continue to be the primary power broker, and how he is dividing the party in the process, with little other real leadership. In a nutshell, politically we are going from bad to worse. Fast.

So, here  we are, a sharply divided  nation, with an economic mess on our hands (that Trump had just as much to do with as Biden), flirting with both WWIII, civil war, and a completely Woke agenda, with no real leader(s), but with the Democrats currently in the driver's seat, and on track to stay there, allowing WEF, Schwab, Gates and company to completely lead this country around by the nose, both economically and policy-wise, straight down a socialistic Marxist path to He!!.   

So, where do we go from here?

Thoughts? 

I think this is an excellent summary; it's honest and fair.

I think we need to ignore D.C. as best we can. Local is what's going to matter. We're either headed for civil war, or a parallel society. I like the parallel society better - it's less bloody.

But from here, I think it could go one of two ways:

1. continue limping along like we are almost indefinitely - we've been doing this for the last 20 years, at least- R's or D's run things for a few years each, during which a bunch of stupid policies get enacted that continue to erode American greatness and our freedoms. sometimes the courts step in to right things, but never congress and definitely not POTUS. dollar becomes worth less and less, stuff you buy at walmart continues to break down more and more often, cars get more complicated and less reliable as computers (who don't think) take over much of the design for humans (who can't think). Corporatocracy continues to enslave us a little more each year - BigPharma, BigAg, BigGov, BigTech, BigMilitary (they still need warm bodies in trenches fighting ever less relevant and meaningless wars, dontchaknow). Americans just continue to deal with it, find ways to innovate in spite of Government strangulation.

2. An "event" topples the house of cards, plunging the US and the rest of the world into some kind of chaos. Depends on the event:
- natural disaster
- drought - this could happen this coming spring - if Lake Mead doesn't recover, they are already talking water restrictions in California, which produces most of the USA's vegetables and fruits. Keep on eye on Lake levels here: http://graphs.water-data.com/lakemead/ . Note that we would need a dramatically wet Jan-Feb 2023 to avoid further problems = not going to happen = expect drastic increases in the price of produce come May-Aug -> already strained economy further erodes -> might push people over the edge where they simply can't afford food. And I stand by my theory: when bread and/or gas is $10 loaf/gal, that's when "Joe BBQ America" gets out his pitchfork.
- earthquake - it would have to be somewhere it would cause a major disruption - like near a computer chip manufacturer -> electronic shortage for vehicles or commerce or something, and China refuses to fill in the gap. Or a major interstate to where food / fuel / supplies can't get somewhere for months -> chain reaction -> stock market / dollar crash
- EMP (natural) - this is well documented. There's a certain type of large transformer that there's only like 10 of them nationwide, and it takes 18 months to make a new one, and the thought is that 90% of the US population would starve or die in the first year of the aftermath of an EMP. But being a natural event, the whole world would likely suffer as well.
- a third country/org "officially" enters the Ukraine-Russia conflict
- EMP (manmade) - a nuclear attack where they take out our electric grid - but this time, it's someone's fault - this would cause WWIII for sure.
- nuclear attack - obviously would cause WWIII.
- stock market crash - Enron event, times 10. This is a bomb just waiting for something to trigger it. Never has the whole world been in so much debt. Usually debt is discharged when someone starts a war (some argue it's the reason for war). Contrary to Gen-Z or Millennial belief, banks don't forget who owes them money. Yes, you will still be required to make that $3k/ month house payment or they will evict you, even if no one else is making their payment.

From a scriptural view, we already know that there is an end date to "the times of the Gentiles". None of your ancestors going back 2,000 years ever remember a time when "White Europeans" didn't run the world, but there was a time when this was the case, and there WILL be another time coming in the not-too-distant future when this will be true again. No one knows what that will look like, but things won't be like they are now.

How to counter the above:
- you need people with faith in Christ. They don't have to be Mormon, but we know that Christians in America have a leg up on non-Christians in America when it comes to being blessed and prospered. I think the entire message of the Book of Mormon is to warn us to serve Jesus Christ or be swept off.
- you need a community that can provide basic needs - grains, veggies, and meat, and in that order. And no, you're not going to just go up in the mountains and get a deer - that's what all of your 2 million neighbors are going to do. You need a rancher friend. You need farmers, and you need stuff stored.
- you need folks who can fix and build things - mechanics, engineers (real ones, not the ones who use a computer), electricians, carpenters, welders, telecom, radio experts, etc.
you need security and intelligence folks - who can set up and monitor perimeters, who can lead others, who can gather info and make plans.
- you need craftspeople - knitters, seamstresses, weavers, fiber experts.

get out of debt, pay off your house if you can, get out of the cities, learn how to grow things you can eat, and store them, and then grow them again next year.

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Re: State of the Nation -- Where Do We Go From Here?

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mudflap wrote: November 16th, 2022, 9:03 pm
tmac wrote: November 12th, 2022, 2:59 pm Right now, following the 2022 midterm elections seems like a pretty good time to summarize and size-up where things stand in the U.S., right now in terms of politics, policy, the economy, etc., as well as the future that is starting to take shape.

Recognizing that it's all just bread and circuses at this point, and that both major parties have a Progressive agenda, are filled with Socialists, and are complete disasters in terms of leading this country in sound policy, as they waltz back and forth and intentionally divide this country even further and deliberately push it ever closer to ultimate and eventual civil war, in an effort to further concentrate and centralize power and control..

With that disclaimer, with respect to applied politics, let's start out with Donald Trump.  I'll have to admit, although his whole persona and demeanor really grate on me, when it comes to policy, and delivering on his promises, etc., I think he actually did a great job of starting to move this country back in the right direction. Not perfect, but no one is.  He had a very positive, long-lasting impact on SCOTUS, and did good things for the economy, and foreign trade, etc. I think he was on the right path, and should have been a shoo-in for re-election -- despite the ridiculous amount of turn-over in his administration.  Then COVID hit.  Whether by design or whatever, from that point forward, it's pretty tough to be a DT fan. He went along with the whole scamdemic lock, stock and barrel.  He supported masks, lock-downs, and sought to develop a vaccine in warp speed. The Left completely weaponized COVID against him.  At that moment, his strongest card was the economy, but in order to attempt to prop-up the economy through all the lock-down B.S., he adopted a policy of printing and throwing around money like confetti at a New Year's day parade. Obviously, that had a huge impact on the ultimate inflation that we have now been seeing that has now essentially killed the economy that he started to create. But the other biggest thing that contributed to inflation (and still is) was all the supply chain glitches which resulted directly from the scamdemic.  As far as I am concerned at this point, Trump should get essentially an F for his handling of the pandemic, and it was his handling of it (not Biden's -- which hasn't actually been that much different) that created the kind of economic forces (inflation, etc.) that ultimately got the economy on its current track, and laid the policy groundwork for where it's headed.

Then we've got Joe Biden.  And honestly, although it may only be a matter of the greater of two evils, I can't think of a single good or positive thing that he has done.  In addition to tipping us closer and closer to civil war, he's also actively courting WWIII.  His pandemic approach is the same as Trumps, but on steroids.  And his economic policies are about the same, but even worse.  Between COVID, Climate Change, Green New Deal, Abortion, LGBTQ, Gun Control, Open Borders, etc., it honestly looks like he and his cohorts are determined to completely destroy this country as we know it.  Policy-wise, he and his administration are a total disaster, from start to finish. But, on the bright side, he doesn't have near as much personnel turn-over as Trump did. 

In light of all that, despite the fact that Republicans and their policies are simply the lesser of two evils, with the current state of the economy, etc., (which affects everyone fairly equally) they should have delivered a massive Red Wave in this midterm election.  But they didn't.  They barely squeaked by and gained minimal ground at all.  A big part of that probably has to do with Trump and his insistence on attempting to continue to be the primary power broker, and how he is dividing the party in the process, with little other real leadership. In a nutshell, politically we are going from bad to worse. Fast.

So, here  we are, a sharply divided  nation, with an economic mess on our hands (that Trump had just as much to do with as Biden), flirting with both WWIII, civil war, and a completely Woke agenda, with no real leader(s), but with the Democrats currently in the driver's seat, and on track to stay there, allowing WEF, Schwab, Gates and company to completely lead this country around by the nose, both economically and policy-wise, straight down a socialistic Marxist path to He!!.   

So, where do we go from here?

Thoughts? 

I think this is an excellent summary; it's honest and fair.

I think we need to ignore D.C. as best we can. Local is what's going to matter. We're either headed for civil war, or a parallel society. I like the parallel society better - it's less bloody.

But from here, I think it could go one of two ways:

1. continue limping along like we are almost indefinitely - we've been doing this for the last 20 years, at least- R's or D's run things for a few years each, during which a bunch of stupid policies get enacted that continue to erode American greatness and our freedoms. sometimes the courts step in to right things, but never congress and definitely not POTUS. dollar becomes worth less and less, stuff you buy at walmart continues to break down more and more often, cars get more complicated and less reliable as computers (who don't think) take over much of the design for humans (who can't think). Corporatocracy continues to enslave us a little more each year - BigPharma, BigAg, BigGov, BigTech, BigMilitary (they still need warm bodies in trenches fighting ever less relevant and meaningless wars, dontchaknow). Americans just continue to deal with it, find ways to innovate in spite of Government strangulation.

2. An "event" topples the house of cards, plunging the US and the rest of the world into some kind of chaos. Depends on the event:
- natural disaster
- drought - this could happen this coming spring - if Lake Mead doesn't recover, they are already talking water restrictions in California, which produces most of the USA's vegetables and fruits. Keep on eye on Lake levels here: http://graphs.water-data.com/lakemead/ . Note that we would need a dramatically wet Jan-Feb 2023 to avoid further problems = not going to happen = expect drastic increases in the price of produce come May-Aug -> already strained economy further erodes -> might push people over the edge where they simply can't afford food. And I stand by my theory: when bread and/or gas is $10 loaf/gal, that's when "Joe BBQ America" gets out his pitchfork.
- earthquake - it would have to be somewhere it would cause a major disruption - like near a computer chip manufacturer -> electronic shortage for vehicles or commerce or something, and China refuses to fill in the gap. Or a major interstate to where food / fuel / supplies can't get somewhere for months -> chain reaction -> stock market / dollar crash
- EMP (natural) - this is well documented. There's a certain type of large transformer that there's only like 10 of them nationwide, and it takes 18 months to make a new one, and the thought is that 90% of the US population would starve or die in the first year of the aftermath of an EMP. But being a natural event, the whole world would likely suffer as well.
- a third country/org "officially" enters the Ukraine-Russia conflict
- EMP (manmade) - a nuclear attack where they take out our electric grid - but this time, it's someone's fault - this would cause WWIII for sure.
- nuclear attack - obviously would cause WWIII.
- stock market crash - Enron event, times 10. This is a bomb just waiting for something to trigger it. Never has the whole world been in so much debt. Usually debt is discharged when someone starts a war (some argue it's the reason for war). Contrary to Gen-Z or Millennial belief, banks don't forget who owes them money. Yes, you will still be required to make that $3k/ month house payment or they will evict you, even if no one else is making their payment.

From a scriptural view, we already know that there is an end date to "the times of the Gentiles". None of your ancestors going back 2,000 years ever remember a time when "White Europeans" didn't run the world, but there was a time when this was the case, and there WILL be another time coming in the not-too-distant future when this will be true again. No one knows what that will look like, but things won't be like they are now.

How to counter the above:
- you need people with faith in Christ. They don't have to be Mormon, but we know that Christians in America have a leg up on non-Christians in America when it comes to being blessed and prospered. I think the entire message of the Book of Mormon is to warn us to serve Jesus Christ or be swept off.
- you need a community that can provide basic needs - grains, veggies, and meat, and in that order. And no, you're not going to just go up in the mountains and get a deer - that's what all of your 2 million neighbors are going to do. You need a rancher friend. You need farmers, and you need stuff stored.
- you need folks who can fix and build things - mechanics, engineers (real ones, not the ones who use a computer), electricians, carpenters, welders, telecom, radio experts, etc.
you need security and intelligence folks - who can set up and monitor perimeters, who can lead others, who can gather info and make plans.
- you need craftspeople - knitters, seamstresses, weavers, fiber experts.

get out of debt, pay off your house if you can, get out of the cities, learn how to grow things you can eat, and store them, and then grow them again next year.
I agree with your two scenarios. I find scenario 2 far more likely. I think there are two factions in government, one trying for scenario 1 and one trying for scenario 2.

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