Elections 2022 Live Thread

[Christianlee]

Mail-in voting and ballot harvesting should be banned. It shouldn’t take this long to count the votes. All it does is leave the door open to cheating.

[Momma J]

Just thinking out loud.... Covid (or strong strain of the flu if you prefer) and vaxxes were implemented to help push out (insert kill-off) the older generation, eliminating a large swath of conservative voters.

Honestly, I do not trust the integrity of any election in the world. All voting can be manipulated unless it is done in a group with raised hands so that all can see. (Which is impossible on a large scale)

They can tell us that XYZ won the majority, and we have no recourse but to accept.

[gkearney]

Mail-in voting and ballot harvesting should be banned. It shouldn’t take this long to count the votes. All it does is leave the door open to cheating.

If you did this how would members of the military and others in similar situations, the disabled, those living in care facilities and so on vote?

[Christianlee]

Leave it open only for them as absentee ballots.

[gkearney]

Leave it open only for them as absentee ballots.

absentee ballots are mailed in I would point out.

[Christianlee]

Leave it open only for them as absentee ballots.

absentee ballots are mailed in I would point out.

Yes, but what we have now is states mass mailing ballots to every address. That is rife for fraud.

[Subcomandante]

Here's how they should do elections.

Election Day moved from Tuesday to a Sunday
Those that have to work only work half a shift and get paid triple as it is a holiday
Voter's Credential (a specific photo ID used to show who you are to the Electoral Commission) required - no exceptions
You must vote in your precinct - the only exception being if you are out of town on a business trip or for working purposes, in that case extra evidence must be brought proving that, such as a flight or bus ticket, coming and going.
Absentee voting must follow previous rule if domestic, if international, must be done in person at the local consulate or embassy.
Your thumb is marked as evidence that you have voted; the chemical used wears off after 72 hours.
Paper ballots are used with an ink pen to mark your preferred candidate.

Once the polls close at 6 pm (no exceptions granted here), the people at the canvassing station count the votes, where representatives from each political party are present and sign off on the final results. That process usually takes half an hour and the result is sent to the central elections office with photographic evidence of signatures and results.

45 days of open campaigning prior to a primary election, which must take place no sooner than six months before the general election. The primary election is nationwide; no state-by-state shenanigans.
90 days of open campaigning prior to a general election.
72 hour electoral veil prior to the election day, media and candidates are absolutely FORBIDDEN from campaigning or mentioning the campaign during this time. Violators face heavy fines and possible jail time.
72 hour prohibition on alcoholic sales on the Saturday, Sunday, and Monday of Election Day.

Electoral Commission allots money to the political parties in proportion to their performance in the previous election; the money given is the ONLY way to fundraise; no PACs allowed. If the politicians spend more money than what is alloted to them, fines equivalent to the amount of money overdrawn will be charged.

If a political party gets 2 percent of the votes, they are entitled to this money and are officially registered as a political party. If they fail to hit two percent, they are disbanded as a party. This two percent rule applies not only to national elections but to state elections as well.






All of these things are already done, because the country where they do this, was victim of several electoral fraud schemes, the most egregious one being the one in 1988.

Yet I guarantee if the United States adopted even half of these recommendations, the Democrats would accuse the Republicans and others of underhanded voter suppresion tactics and call them racist.

Here's the kicker: The country where I mention these things happen is right where I live: MEXICO.

[Subcomandante]

They are finding more ballots in Clark County (Nevada-Las Vegas) and it appears that Laxalt is in danger of losing. Last count he's up by 14k votes with 84% reporting. Georgia might not matter at all at this rate.

[madvin]

Leave it open only for them as absentee ballots.

absentee ballots are mailed in I would point out.

Yes, but what we have now is states mass mailing ballots to every address. That is rife for fraud.

Yes, it used to be that you had to have a good excuse before you could do an absentee ballot.

Excuse-required absentee voting started during the Civil War.

During World War I, nearly all states let soldiers vote from afar at least during war time. And it was in that same time period that people with a non-military, work-related reason for being away from home on Election Day started to be able to vote absentee, too ("The Right to Vote: The Contested History of Democracy in the United States" Alex Keyssar).

In the early 20th century, states began making exceptions for certain types of people, such as railroad workers, or people who are sick. Thus began a movement of states adopting some form of voting for selected populations who met certain criteria.

In the decades that followed, people who voted by mail generally had to have a specific reason for not being able to vote in person on Election Day. That began to change in 1978, when California became the first state to allow voters to apply for an absentee ballot without having to provide an excuse.

Oregon also claims several firsts in the history of voting by mail. The first entirely mail-in federal primary election took place in the state in 1995, and the first mail-only general election took place in the state in 1996. Thus we see the slow disintegration of voting integrity.

[OCDMOM]

Maybe they suppressed the news of the election results for some reason. hmmmm. Arizona still counting.

[Chip]

Elon Musk is demanding that everybody spend 40 hours a week in the Twitter building. No more working from home. Kind of a corollary to voting, as in, be physically present to be counted.

[spiritMan]

Here's how they should do elections.

Election Day moved from Tuesday to a Sunday
Those that have to work only work half a shift and get paid triple as it is a holiday
Voter's Credential (a specific photo ID used to show who you are to the Electoral Commission) required - no exceptions
You must vote in your precinct - the only exception being if you are out of town on a business trip or for working purposes, in that case extra evidence must be brought proving that, such as a flight or bus ticket, coming and going.
Absentee voting must follow previous rule if domestic, if international, must be done in person at the local consulate or embassy.
Your thumb is marked as evidence that you have voted; the chemical used wears off after 72 hours.
Paper ballots are used with an ink pen to mark your preferred candidate.

Once the polls close at 6 pm (no exceptions granted here), the people at the canvassing station count the votes, where representatives from each political party are present and sign off on the final results. That process usually takes half an hour and the result is sent to the central elections office with photographic evidence of signatures and results.

45 days of open campaigning prior to a primary election, which must take place no sooner than six months before the general election. The primary election is nationwide; no state-by-state shenanigans.
90 days of open campaigning prior to a general election.
72 hour electoral veil prior to the election day, media and candidates are absolutely FORBIDDEN from campaigning or mentioning the campaign during this time. Violators face heavy fines and possible jail time.
72 hour prohibition on alcoholic sales on the Saturday, Sunday, and Monday of Election Day.

Electoral Commission allots money to the political parties in proportion to their performance in the previous election; the money given is the ONLY way to fundraise; no PACs allowed. If the politicians spend more money than what is alloted to them, fines equivalent to the amount of money overdrawn will be charged.

If a political party gets 2 percent of the votes, they are entitled to this money and are officially registered as a political party. If they fail to hit two percent, they are disbanded as a party. This two percent rule applies not only to national elections but to state elections as well.






All of these things are already done, because the country where they do this, was victim of several electoral fraud schemes, the most egregious one being the one in 1988.

Yet I guarantee if the United States adopted even half of these recommendations, the Democrats would accuse the Republicans and others of underhanded voter suppresion tactics and call them racist.

Here's the kicker: The country where I mention these things happen is right where I live: MEXICO.

"You must vote in your precinct" and the votes are COUNTED in your precinct.

This is why there there is fraud. If the votes are sent to a "vote processing center", it's much easier for one or two people to really screw with the system. If a county has 100 precincts and each precinct has ~3k votes. You can count that amount by hand pretty easily.

[spiritMan]

Maybe they suppressed the news of the election results for some reason. hmmmm. Arizona still counting.

Neither AZ or NV will be finished until "early next week".

Banana republic. For Fs sake . . .really guys

[spiritMan]

They are finding more ballots in Clark County (Nevada-Las Vegas) and it appears that Laxalt is in danger of losing. Last count he's up by 14k votes with 84% reporting. Georgia might not matter at all at this rate.

Surprise, surprise!

Gee . . .who could have predicated that!

What needs to happen is the citizens of AZ and NV need to protest.

[Subcomandante]

Here's how they should do elections.

Election Day moved from Tuesday to a Sunday
Those that have to work only work half a shift and get paid triple as it is a holiday
Voter's Credential (a specific photo ID used to show who you are to the Electoral Commission) required - no exceptions
You must vote in your precinct - the only exception being if you are out of town on a business trip or for working purposes, in that case extra evidence must be brought proving that, such as a flight or bus ticket, coming and going.
Absentee voting must follow previous rule if domestic, if international, must be done in person at the local consulate or embassy.
Your thumb is marked as evidence that you have voted; the chemical used wears off after 72 hours.
Paper ballots are used with an ink pen to mark your preferred candidate.

Once the polls close at 6 pm (no exceptions granted here), the people at the canvassing station count the votes, where representatives from each political party are present and sign off on the final results. That process usually takes half an hour and the result is sent to the central elections office with photographic evidence of signatures and results.

45 days of open campaigning prior to a primary election, which must take place no sooner than six months before the general election. The primary election is nationwide; no state-by-state shenanigans.
90 days of open campaigning prior to a general election.
72 hour electoral veil prior to the election day, media and candidates are absolutely FORBIDDEN from campaigning or mentioning the campaign during this time. Violators face heavy fines and possible jail time.
72 hour prohibition on alcoholic sales on the Saturday, Sunday, and Monday of Election Day.

Electoral Commission allots money to the political parties in proportion to their performance in the previous election; the money given is the ONLY way to fundraise; no PACs allowed. If the politicians spend more money than what is alloted to them, fines equivalent to the amount of money overdrawn will be charged.

If a political party gets 2 percent of the votes, they are entitled to this money and are officially registered as a political party. If they fail to hit two percent, they are disbanded as a party. This two percent rule applies not only to national elections but to state elections as well.






All of these things are already done, because the country where they do this, was victim of several electoral fraud schemes, the most egregious one being the one in 1988.

Yet I guarantee if the United States adopted even half of these recommendations, the Democrats would accuse the Republicans and others of underhanded voter suppresion tactics and call them racist.

Here's the kicker: The country where I mention these things happen is right where I live: MEXICO.

"You must vote in your precinct" and the votes are COUNTED in your precinct.

This is why there there is fraud. If the votes are sent to a "vote processing center", it's much easier for one or two people to really screw with the system. If a county has 100 precincts and each precinct has ~3k votes. You can count that amount by hand pretty easily.

Yep. They used to do that in Mexico then 1988 happened. (Send the votes to the central computer in Mexico City, only for the computer to mysteriously go offline and then go online with completely different results). So everything is done on a precinct level (with representatives from all the relevant political parties present to sign off on the laws).

At 6pm, the voting in central Mexico stops, and by 8pm, the voting in Tijuana stops (6pm local time). By that time, literally within a few hours, we know who won.

[spiritMan]

Here's how they should do elections.

Election Day moved from Tuesday to a Sunday
Those that have to work only work half a shift and get paid triple as it is a holiday
Voter's Credential (a specific photo ID used to show who you are to the Electoral Commission) required - no exceptions
You must vote in your precinct - the only exception being if you are out of town on a business trip or for working purposes, in that case extra evidence must be brought proving that, such as a flight or bus ticket, coming and going.
Absentee voting must follow previous rule if domestic, if international, must be done in person at the local consulate or embassy.
Your thumb is marked as evidence that you have voted; the chemical used wears off after 72 hours.
Paper ballots are used with an ink pen to mark your preferred candidate.

Once the polls close at 6 pm (no exceptions granted here), the people at the canvassing station count the votes, where representatives from each political party are present and sign off on the final results. That process usually takes half an hour and the result is sent to the central elections office with photographic evidence of signatures and results.

45 days of open campaigning prior to a primary election, which must take place no sooner than six months before the general election. The primary election is nationwide; no state-by-state shenanigans.
90 days of open campaigning prior to a general election.
72 hour electoral veil prior to the election day, media and candidates are absolutely FORBIDDEN from campaigning or mentioning the campaign during this time. Violators face heavy fines and possible jail time.
72 hour prohibition on alcoholic sales on the Saturday, Sunday, and Monday of Election Day.

Electoral Commission allots money to the political parties in proportion to their performance in the previous election; the money given is the ONLY way to fundraise; no PACs allowed. If the politicians spend more money than what is alloted to them, fines equivalent to the amount of money overdrawn will be charged.

If a political party gets 2 percent of the votes, they are entitled to this money and are officially registered as a political party. If they fail to hit two percent, they are disbanded as a party. This two percent rule applies not only to national elections but to state elections as well.






All of these things are already done, because the country where they do this, was victim of several electoral fraud schemes, the most egregious one being the one in 1988.

Yet I guarantee if the United States adopted even half of these recommendations, the Democrats would accuse the Republicans and others of underhanded voter suppresion tactics and call them racist.

Here's the kicker: The country where I mention these things happen is right where I live: MEXICO.

"You must vote in your precinct" and the votes are COUNTED in your precinct.

This is why there there is fraud. If the votes are sent to a "vote processing center", it's much easier for one or two people to really screw with the system. If a county has 100 precincts and each precinct has ~3k votes. You can count that amount by hand pretty easily.

Yep. They used to do that in Mexico then 1988 happened. (Send the votes to the central computer in Mexico City, only for the computer to mysteriously go offline and then go online with completely different results). So everything is done on a precinct level (with representatives from all the relevant political parties present to sign off on the laws).

At 6pm, the voting in central Mexico stops, and by 8pm, the voting in Tijuana stops (6pm local time). By that time, literally within a few hours, we know who won.

Exactly. This isn't hard.

[spiritMan]

Welp.. . .Senate is done.

Looks like in a miracle of miracles, with the worst inflation in 40 years, the dems are set to actually GAIN a seat in the Senate. They have the Senate. They stole Nevada and they are shoving it in our faces. It's blatant and it's obvious. Why? Just look at the results.

Nevada.
Senate
Catherine Cortez Masto* Democrat 487,829 +48.77%48.77%
Adam Laxalt Republican 481,273 +48.11%48.11
Total reported votes
1,000,332

Governor
Joe Lombardo Republican 488,065 +48.9%48.9%
Steve Sisolak* Democrat 471,950 +47.3%47.3
Total reported 998,592

Lt. Governor
Stavros Anthony
Republican 491,765 +49.5%49.5%
Elizabeth Cano Burkhead* Democrat 454,240 +45.7%45.7
Total reported 993,623

Attorney General
Aaron Ford* Democrat 500,910 +51.1%51.1%
Sigal Chattah Republican 425,753 +43.5%43.5
Total reported 979,631

Secretary of State
Francisco Aguilar Democrat 486,349 +48.9%48.9%
Jim Marchant Republican 464,670 +46.7%46.7
Total reported 994,178

So in NV. We have a D Senator, Attorney General and SoS and a R Governor and Lt. Governor.

BOTH the Rs kicked out the incumbent. Neither D candidate for gov. and lt. gov made 500k vote total, but the attorney general did???
AND you are going to have MORE total votes for the SoS than everyone else except the governor.

The Senate candidate got less D votes than the Att. General did.

Watch it's still possible the Ds get control of the House

[Silver Pie]

We received ballots automatically in Utah, but not in Wyoming. Even sample ballots we had to search online for in Wyoming.

Leave it open only for them as absentee ballots.

absentee ballots are mailed in I would point out.

Yes, but what we have now is states mass mailing ballots to every address. That is rife for fraud.

[Silver Pie]

This reflects my thinking, also.

And Trump will?

They won't let him in again even if the people voted him in - and I'm not so sure the people would vote him in.

I'm not sure he'd get enough votes again either, assuming everything was fair and square. Right or wrong, his image and movement has been damaged and stained in the eyes of the majority. I feel bad for Trump, I seriously do. But if 2020 was stolen from him, 2022 mid term results show that the steal not only can not be overcome, but also nothing can get the greater public convinced that it keeps happening and 2024 would just be stolen again if he somehow did win (assuming the belief that stealing is going on is true). But after 2020 and 2022 riding so much on him as well, this is just demoralizing for the Trump crowd. It can't be understated how big of a disappointment this is if elections are fair and secure. This was supposed to be the great reckoning for the democrat elite and the progressive agenda. It just feels like continuing on with Trump is continuing on with a losing cause.

If elections are secure, the results show that he simply is a back to back loser at this point and there's little reason to continue backing his movement. If elections are stolen, then it's clear nothing has changed since 2020 and nothing gives confidence that the stealing could be overcome for 2024.

I don't care that much either way because outside of slowing the bleeding, I don't see a great American renaissance happening. I feel for a moral renaissance or a great awakening, or a new righteous status quo to occur, it will come from something new being established after a sweeping away of what is here.


I'm shocked the mid-terms turned out this way. The only silver lining in all this that I can see is that if stealing does go on in elections, this might be something that wakes up more "normal" people to it. I mean so many conservative and liberal outlets thought there would be some sort of conservative bite back at the machine

[madvin]

I believe if nothing...NOTHING...was done in 2020, fergit it baby. Honest elections are a thing of the past. Thanks RINOs.

[InfoWarrior82]

hey guys...

[larsenb]

I think I've gone into this before, but my view is that voting should be re-instituted to be on a single day, drop boxes should be dropped, mail-in ballots should be eliminated except for overseas military. Voting should be by paper ballot.

All voters who fill out a ballot at the designated precinct should be counted by independent observers, and at the end of the day they should collaborate on the agreed number of ballots. If there are discrepancies, the actual ballots should be kept and counted. This number is then rolled up the chain for the total accumulated number of votes, while keeping the identity of each precinct associated with its number in that total (break down the total number by votes per precinct.

The added wrinkle is that a random, but unrepeated number could be assigned each voter at a given precinct, which would also be associated with the actual vote registered by the voter. This voting record for the individual to include the random number is also rolled up with the final count.

This way, it would be extremely difficult to introduce illegal votes because of the accurate vote tally, plus each user could verify his vote using his/her assigned random number, and no one else would know how anyone else voted. The voting precinct plus the random number would be the 'Primary Key" in the rolled up record/data base of the vote.

You could also possibly require each voter to verify his/her vote to make it 'official', though this poses obvious problems. But the fact that you could be assured of an accurate total vote total, and that each voter could possible verify his/her vote, would almost certainly eliminate gross voter fraud.

Problems using ballot scanners or even replicating the paper ballot by machine, would then pose no problem, and would make rolling up and tallying the actual total vote quite easy

[larsenb]

To expand further on what I think should be done, is that if you are sick and can't get to the precinct or are away from your precinct on the designated election day and can't vote, TS for you, that year. Most disabled should be able to get friends and relatives to drive them to the precinct. If not, they could possibly be allowed mail-in ballots, but this should be strictly controlled in some way.

[larsenb]

I'm posting a link to an excellent interview of Victor Davis Hanson by a former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia on the 2022 mid-Term elections, for those interested:

viewtopic.php?p=1321255#p1321255

With an added comment from me at: viewtopic.php?p=1321296#p1321296

[SmallFarm]

I think it's going to be very interesting in Arizona the next couple of years. I thought both candidates for governor were both stinking turds personally but didn't think Hobbs had a chance in the dark against the much more well spoken and charismatic Kari Lake, especially when she refused to debate her. I'm afraid now that Hobbs has been declared winner we will see massive protests and claims of fraud and cheating.