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madvin wrote: November 2nd, 2022, 10:00 am
Ancalagon wrote: November 1st, 2022, 4:01 pm

Could it be those spoken of by Arthur Koestler?
Or by Paquita de Shishmareff ?

You know we're not allowed to criticize the Jew.
And yet people do regularly and publicly.

Even the lefties and the so called "Secularists" who are not supposedly on the right. There are anti-Jewish movements here based around issues such as Israel (with some justification), kosher slaughtering methods as animal abuse and saying that circumcision is baby abuse.

Check out some of the anti-religion Facebook groups (if you're on there). They go on about the Old Testament and Jewish religious practices all the time.

I remember going to some meeting at university years ago, with the usual Trotskyites turning up. The speaker was with Palestinian Solidarity or some group like that and kept using the phrase "the Jews". It was very noticeable that he wasn't parsing Israeli government policy from Jews in general. (Not all of whom support the state of Israel or live there).

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bjornagain wrote: November 3rd, 2022, 10:30 am This is a flat out lie. I never said that, you did. All of your arguments boil down to typical SJW concern trolling and insinuation.
I've covered the SJW thing twice above. Your use of it shows a colossal lack of self-awareness. SJWs largely see people as a collection of intersectional characteristics whose actions are not determined by genuine free will... which is exactly what you are doing.

You remind me of that stupid idiot who once told me how I could turn down a drink "with that accent". Because apparently people of certain backgrounds all think alike.
"You think jews are bugs!!! So racist!!" I never said they were bugs, I said they're extremely tribalistic, then you took that term and tied it to a slightly related but much more offensive concept, and accused us of making that claim. It's a straw man, and you flat out lie.
No, I didn't say you thought Jews were bugs specifically but you do talk about them as some kind of colony organism, while repeatedly denying it. You take the SJW/intersectional-style line of seeing people purely as herds of creatures with little or no individual determinism.
More lying. I didn't ask you what 'hive mind' means. I asked where you were getting it, because you repeatedly bring it up, claim we are saying it, when none of us have said it.
I got it from the fact that like the SJWs you accuse me of being, that you think of people purely as groups.

If you've ever been part of an extended family, even you must realise that closely related people are not all the same or agree with one another. Even brothers and sisters, and certainly parents and children. I have two cousins who haven't spoken in my entire lifetime. One or the other will die before she ever does. Levels of morality, clannishness etc all vary widely within a family or a traditional village too. Even you can level up these concepts to the likes of Jews who cannot agree on certain basics.

There are even some Jews who leave as soon as they can and spend most of their lives away from other Jews. But according to you such people barely exist.

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bjornagain wrote: November 3rd, 2022, 11:50 am
Niemand wrote: November 2nd, 2022, 5:08 pm
Hardcore SJWs tend to see people purely as the result of different interest groups created by their backgrounds rather than individuals who can also make choices or form their own opinions.
So I'm an SJW for criticizing jews? That's weird. Normally that's the exact opposite way that the term 'SJW' is used.

Again, in typical SJW fashion, you invert the meanings of terms willy nilly.
You are similar to an SJW in that you think of people in terms of blocs. That's something they've inherited from Marxism. (Marx himself was not flattering about Jews either, despite his background. Read his "Judaism and Hucksterism" etc.)

When an SJW sees a person, they look first at their superficial appearance, ethnic background, gender-status, religious background, sexuality, disabilities etc before anything else.

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Niemand wrote: November 4th, 2022, 6:40 am
madvin wrote: November 2nd, 2022, 10:00 am

Or by Paquita de Shishmareff ?

You know we're not allowed to criticize the Jew.
"And yet people do regularly and publicly."
Not the bankers. Nor are you allowed to criticize any Jew involved in any so called conspiracy.
Niemand wrote: November 4th, 2022, 6:40 am "Even the lefties and the so called "Secularists" who are not supposedly on the right. There are anti-Jewish movements here based around issues such as Israel (with some justification), kosher slaughtering methods as animal abuse and saying that circumcision is baby abuse."
The Jews don't care about that.
Niemand wrote: November 4th, 2022, 6:40 am "Check out some of the anti-religion Facebook groups (if you're on there). They go on about the Old Testament and Jewish religious practices all the time."
Not on there. It's Jewish.
Niemand wrote: November 4th, 2022, 6:40 am I remember going to some meeting at university years ago, with the usual Trotskyites turning up. The speaker was with Palestinian Solidarity or some group like that and kept using the phrase "the Jews". It was very noticeable that he wasn't parsing Israeli government policy from Jews in general. (Not all of whom support the state of Israel or live there).
The Jews we know in our life are not doing these crimes.

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Niemand wrote: November 4th, 2022, 7:04 am
bjornagain wrote: November 3rd, 2022, 11:50 am
Niemand wrote: November 2nd, 2022, 5:08 pm
Hardcore SJWs tend to see people purely as the result of different interest groups created by their backgrounds rather than individuals who can also make choices or form their own opinions.
So I'm an SJW for criticizing jews? That's weird. Normally that's the exact opposite way that the term 'SJW' is used.

Again, in typical SJW fashion, you invert the meanings of terms willy nilly.
You are similar to an SJW in that you think of people in terms of blocs. That's something they've inherited from Marxism. (Marx himself was not flattering about Jews either, despite his background. Read his "Judaism and Hucksterism" etc.)

When an SJW sees a person, they look first at their superficial appearance, ethnic background, gender-status, religious background, sexuality, disabilities etc before anything else.
I'm fairly certain Moses Mordecai Marx Levy's anti-semitism was fake (as was many other things in his life). It was entered into the historical record to shield his employers as they ousted the old aristocracy.

"R. - I continue as if I have heard nothing. Insofar as you are a scholastic with relation to Capital, and I want to awaken your inductive talents, I shall remind you of some very curious things. Notice with what penetration Marx comes to conclusions given the then existence of early British industry, concerning its consequences, i.e. the contemporary colossal industry: how he analyses it and criticizes; what a repulsive picture he gives of the manufacturer. In your imagination and that of the masses there arises the terrible picture of Capitalism in its human concretization: a fat-bellied manufacturer with a cigar in his mouth, as described by Marx, with self-satisfaction and anger throwing the wife and daughter of the worker onto the street. Is that not so?

At the same time remember the moderation of Marx and his bourgeois orthodoxy when studying the question of money. In the problem of money there do not appear with him his famous contradictions. Finances do not exist for him as a thing of importance in itself; trade and the circulation of moneys are the results of the cursed system of Capitalistic production, which subjects them to itself and fully determines them. In the question of money Marx is a reactionary; to one's immense surprise he was one; bear in mind the "five-pointed star" like the Soviet one, which shines all over Europe, the star composed of the five Rothschild brothers with their banks, who possess colossal accumulations of wealth, the greatest ever known ... And so this fact, so colossal that it misled the imagination of the people of that epoch, passes unnoticed with Marx. Something strange ... Is that not so?

It is possible that from this strange blindness of Marx there arises a phenomenon which is common to all future social revolutions. It is this: we can all confirm that when the masses take possession of a city or a country, then they always seem struck by a sort of superstitious fear of the banks and bankers. One had killed Kings, generals, bishops, policemen, priests and other representatives of the hated privileged classes; one robbed and burnt palaces, churches and even centers of science, but though the revolutions were economic-social, the lives of the bankers were respected, and as a result the magnificent buildings of the banks remained untouched ... According to my information, before I had been arrested, this continues even now ..."

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Hogmeister wrote: November 4th, 2022, 2:05 pmI'm fairly certain Moses Mordecai Marx Levy's anti-semitism was fake (as was many other things in his life). It was entered into the historical record to shield his employers as they ousted the old aristocracy.
KM was a contradictory creature for sure. His wife came from Gentile aristocratic stock. His mother (Yiddisher Mama?) once supposedly said to him that she wished he could make capital instead of just writing about it. I suspect he had some level of self-loathing about him, much like certain whites seem to hate being white or some rich kids end up hating capitalism.

On the Jewish Question 1844 contains the following:
What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.…. Money is the jealous god of Israel, in face of which no other god may exist. Money degrades all the gods of man – and turns them into commodities…. The bill of exchange is the real god of the Jew. His god is only an illusory bill of exchange…. The chimerical nationality of the Jew is the nationality of the merchant, of the man of money in general.
If you're writing an anti-capitalist piece singling out Jews and you come from that background yourself, it's laying yourself open to attack from that quarter. Yet that's what he did ... There is other similar material out there written by Marx if people want to find it. He doesn't seem to have had much time for blacks and Africans either, nor does Friedrich Engels (which is conveniently overlooked by BLM and co who claim to be Marxist.)
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Jesus was crucified for speaking out against jewish content moderators.

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Fred wrote: October 29th, 2022, 6:15 pm Kanye grew up believing only lies. He married into a satanic cult. He was rich and famous. What could go wrong?

One day, he was reading the Bible and had an epiphany. Everything he had been taught and believed was bullsh!t. What should he do now? He began to change. He went to church. He got a divorce. People said he was crazy.

Talking about Christ pissed satan off personally. The democrats are all satanists, of course, but pissing off the top dog of evil, by going straight, had to be punished. Christ told him he was doing the right thing so he persisted.

And you people are going to hold a few things he said or believed against him? He busted out of the Cain cult. He busted out of the democrat cult. He busted out of the Hollywood cult.

He is new to truth. He still believes some wrong things. Don't be so quick to hold his past against him. When the incredibly evil demonicrats are against you, it is a sure sign that you are doing something right.
Good points, which inspire the Spirit as I read them.

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madvin wrote: November 4th, 2022, 1:10 pm
Niemand wrote: November 4th, 2022, 6:40 am
madvin wrote: November 2nd, 2022, 10:00 am

Or by Paquita de Shishmareff ?

You know we're not allowed to criticize the Jew.
"And yet people do regularly and publicly."
Not the bankers. Nor are you allowed to criticize any Jew involved in any so called conspiracy.
Niemand wrote: November 4th, 2022, 6:40 am "Even the lefties and the so called "Secularists" who are not supposedly on the right. There are anti-Jewish movements here based around issues such as Israel (with some justification), kosher slaughtering methods as animal abuse and saying that circumcision is baby abuse."
The Jews don't care about that.
Niemand wrote: November 4th, 2022, 6:40 am "Check out some of the anti-religion Facebook groups (if you're on there). They go on about the Old Testament and Jewish religious practices all the time."
Not on there. It's Jewish.
Niemand wrote: November 4th, 2022, 6:40 am I remember going to some meeting at university years ago, with the usual Trotskyites turning up. The speaker was with Palestinian Solidarity or some group like that and kept using the phrase "the Jews". It was very noticeable that he wasn't parsing Israeli government policy from Jews in general. (Not all of whom support the state of Israel or live there).
The Jews we know in our life are not doing these crimes.
I don't know what "the Jews we know in our life" is supposed to mean.

People do criticise Jews regularly. One of the regular complains from them is that under wokeness they're not being treated as a minority. David Baddiel has written a book on the phenonmenon Jews don't Count. It's very common to see black people on TV adverts in Europe, and interrracial couples, but very rare to see someone who is overtly Jewish.

Yes, Jews do care about that. One of the biggest political parties here, Labour, had to reform itself because of supposed anti-Semitism (mainly criticism of the state of Israel). You'll also read letters in the press complaining about the attacks on circumcusion and kosher slaughter.

In the USA, black groups regularly criticise Jews. Louis Farrakhan is a big one for it.

My problem with Jew-bashing is that it ignores a) all the Gentiles who are screwing up this world and there are many of those and b) those Jews who are not doing well for themselves and there are plenty of those too. It is statistical fact that any plan to oppress this world would have to be largely made up of Gentiles becuase there are not enough Jews to do it by themselves. There are more Dutch people than Jews. Not even all these bankers are Jews, although there are constant attempts to retrofit the non-Jewish ones as "Jew-ish". Then you have people trying to say Stalin was pro-Jewish when in fact he couldn't stand many of them and attacked them as "rootless cosmopolitans".

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Fred wrote: October 29th, 2022, 7:45 pm
Subcomandante wrote: October 29th, 2022, 4:23 pm
abijah wrote: October 29th, 2022, 4:16 pm
Subcomandante wrote: October 29th, 2022, 4:07 pmKanye put this on himself. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
🤔 what are you talking about? 🙃
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainmen ... OFXH5VIGY/

Again, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
A while back, you called me a racist. Now, here you are being racist. When Kanye calls people Jews or whites, it is because they are. He is simply telling the truth. You ought to try it sometime.
Sorry Fred but you are being racist. Only social media is qualified to let you know if you are racist or not.

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