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Altar at Temple Square visitor's center.
During the twentieth century there was a statue depicting Adam and Eve kneeling making an (unacceptable) offering of fruits of the field. Organic food is shown presented upon the altar between them. Lying safely beside them is a lamb, also cast in bronze, rejected as a sacrifice.
What explanation is there for this now retired Church sculpture, if not a hat tip to Lucifer, the god of this earth?
What explanation is there for this now retired Church sculpture, if not a hat tip to Lucifer, the god of this earth?
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How did you know the food was organic? Was it in a Whole Foods bag?π
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Wow. The upside down pentagrams are creepy too.logonbump wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 12:45 pm During the twentieth century there was a statue depicting Adam and Eve kneeling making an (unacceptable) offering of fruits of the field. Organic food is shown presented upon the altar between them. Lying safely beside them is a lamb, also cast in bronze, rejected as a sacrifice.
What explanation is there for this now retired Church sculpture, if not a hat tip to Lucifer, the god of this earth?
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Sacrificing fruits of the field!?! Blasphemy!!!!!! (Or people could actually read their scriptures.....)logonbump wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 12:45 pm During the twentieth century there was a statue depicting Adam and Eve kneeling making an (unacceptable) offering of fruits of the field. Organic food is shown presented upon the altar between them. Lying safely beside them is a lamb, also cast in bronze, rejected as a sacrifice.
What explanation is there for this now retired Church sculpture, if not a hat tip to Lucifer, the god of this earth?
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I thought that was for the Law of Moses, which began with Moses, not Adam. Leviticus doesn't apply to Adam and Eve.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 5:19 pmSacrificing fruits of the field!?! Blasphemy!!!!!! (Or people could actually read their scriptures.....)logonbump wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 12:45 pm During the twentieth century there was a statue depicting Adam and Eve kneeling making an (unacceptable) offering of fruits of the field. Organic food is shown presented upon the altar between them. Lying safely beside them is a lamb, also cast in bronze, rejected as a sacrifice.
What explanation is there for this now retired Church sculpture, if not a hat tip to Lucifer, the god of this earth?
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Nope. "The posterity of Adam down to Moses, and from Moses to Jesus Christ, offered up the firstfruits of the field and the firstlings of the flock, which continued until the death of Jesus Christ, which ended sacrifice by the shedding of blood."CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:29 pmI thought that was for the Law of Moses, which began with Moses, not Adam. Leviticus doesn't apply to Adam and Eve.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 5:19 pmSacrificing fruits of the field!?! Blasphemy!!!!!! (Or people could actually read their scriptures.....)logonbump wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 12:45 pm During the twentieth century there was a statue depicting Adam and Eve kneeling making an (unacceptable) offering of fruits of the field. Organic food is shown presented upon the altar between them. Lying safely beside them is a lamb, also cast in bronze, rejected as a sacrifice.
What explanation is there for this now retired Church sculpture, if not a hat tip to Lucifer, the god of this earth?
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Then why wasn't Cain's offering accepted?Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:32 pmNope. "The posterity of Adam down to Moses, and from Moses to Jesus Christ, offered up the firstfruits of the field and the firstlings of the flock, which continued until the death of Jesus Christ, which ended sacrifice by the shedding of blood."CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:29 pmI thought that was for the Law of Moses, which began with Moses, not Adam. Leviticus doesn't apply to Adam and Eve.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 5:19 pmSacrificing fruits of the field!?! Blasphemy!!!!!! (Or people could actually read their scriptures.....)logonbump wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 12:45 pm During the twentieth century there was a statue depicting Adam and Eve kneeling making an (unacceptable) offering of fruits of the field. Organic food is shown presented upon the altar between them. Lying safely beside them is a lamb, also cast in bronze, rejected as a sacrifice.
What explanation is there for this now retired Church sculpture, if not a hat tip to Lucifer, the god of this earth?
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Source?Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:32 pmNope. "The posterity of Adam down to Moses, and from Moses to Jesus Christ, offered up the firstfruits of the field and the firstlings of the flock, which continued until the death of Jesus Christ, which ended sacrifice by the shedding of blood."CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:29 pmI thought that was for the Law of Moses, which began with Moses, not Adam. Leviticus doesn't apply to Adam and Eve.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 5:19 pmSacrificing fruits of the field!?! Blasphemy!!!!!! (Or people could actually read their scriptures.....)logonbump wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 12:45 pm During the twentieth century there was a statue depicting Adam and Eve kneeling making an (unacceptable) offering of fruits of the field. Organic food is shown presented upon the altar between them. Lying safely beside them is a lamb, also cast in bronze, rejected as a sacrifice.
What explanation is there for this now retired Church sculpture, if not a hat tip to Lucifer, the god of this earth?
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Things are acceptable when and how God says. Sometimes the Lord says to do X and sometimes He says to do Y. Doing Y when God says to do X will never be acceptable.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:36 pmThen why wasn't Cain's offering accepted?Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:32 pmNope. "The posterity of Adam down to Moses, and from Moses to Jesus Christ, offered up the firstfruits of the field and the firstlings of the flock, which continued until the death of Jesus Christ, which ended sacrifice by the shedding of blood."CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:29 pmI thought that was for the Law of Moses, which began with Moses, not Adam. Leviticus doesn't apply to Adam and Eve.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 5:19 pm
Sacrificing fruits of the field!?! Blasphemy!!!!!! (Or people could actually read their scriptures.....)
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....... The temple.Mamabear wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:37 pmSource?Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:32 pmNope. "The posterity of Adam down to Moses, and from Moses to Jesus Christ, offered up the firstfruits of the field and the firstlings of the flock, which continued until the death of Jesus Christ, which ended sacrifice by the shedding of blood."CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:29 pmI thought that was for the Law of Moses, which began with Moses, not Adam. Leviticus doesn't apply to Adam and Eve.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 5:19 pm
Sacrificing fruits of the field!?! Blasphemy!!!!!! (Or people could actually read their scriptures.....)
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I have read about sacrifice. And the scriptures involving Adam. None include fruit and the church's website only mentions sacrifice by Adam with shedding of blood. Zero fruit. The quote you shared is wrong according to scripture and the church's own article about Adam and sacrifice.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:41 pmThings are acceptable when and how God says. Sometimes the Lord says to do X and sometimes He says to do Y. Doing Y when God says to do X will never be acceptable.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:36 pmThen why wasn't Cain's offering accepted?Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:32 pmNope. "The posterity of Adam down to Moses, and from Moses to Jesus Christ, offered up the firstfruits of the field and the firstlings of the flock, which continued until the death of Jesus Christ, which ended sacrifice by the shedding of blood."CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:29 pm
I thought that was for the Law of Moses, which began with Moses, not Adam. Leviticus doesn't apply to Adam and Eve.
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???? There's a church article that says "Adam didn't sacrifice the first fruits of the field"? I'd love to see that.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:45 pmI have read about sacrifice. And the scriptures involving Adam. None include fruit and the church's website only mentions sacrifice by Adam with shedding of blood. Zero fruit. The quote you shared is wrong according to scripture and the church's own article about Adam and sacrifice.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:41 pmThings are acceptable when and how God says. Sometimes the Lord says to do X and sometimes He says to do Y. Doing Y when God says to do X will never be acceptable.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:36 pmThen why wasn't Cain's offering accepted?Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:32 pm
Nope. "The posterity of Adam down to Moses, and from Moses to Jesus Christ, offered up the firstfruits of the field and the firstlings of the flock, which continued until the death of Jesus Christ, which ended sacrifice by the shedding of blood."
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Lol! You're joking right? Good one!Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:51 pm???? There's a church article that says "Adam didn't sacrifice the first fruits of the field"? I'd love to see that.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:45 pmI have read about sacrifice. And the scriptures involving Adam. None include fruit and the church's website only mentions sacrifice by Adam with shedding of blood. Zero fruit. The quote you shared is wrong according to scripture and the church's own article about Adam and sacrifice.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:41 pmThings are acceptable when and how God says. Sometimes the Lord says to do X and sometimes He says to do Y. Doing Y when God says to do X will never be acceptable.
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Nope. Please post this alleged evidence.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:53 pmLol! You're joking right? Good one!Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:51 pm???? There's a church article that says "Adam didn't sacrifice the first fruits of the field"? I'd love to see that.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:45 pmI have read about sacrifice. And the scriptures involving Adam. None include fruit and the church's website only mentions sacrifice by Adam with shedding of blood. Zero fruit. The quote you shared is wrong according to scripture and the church's own article about Adam and sacrifice.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:41 pm
Things are acceptable when and how God says. Sometimes the Lord says to do X and sometimes He says to do Y. Doing Y when God says to do X will never be acceptable.
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Sounds Masonic and not doctrinalArtaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:42 pm....... The temple.Mamabear wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:37 pmSource?Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:32 pmNope. "The posterity of Adam down to Moses, and from Moses to Jesus Christ, offered up the firstfruits of the field and the firstlings of the flock, which continued until the death of Jesus Christ, which ended sacrifice by the shedding of blood."CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:29 pm
I thought that was for the Law of Moses, which began with Moses, not Adam. Leviticus doesn't apply to Adam and Eve.
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You think that the masons talk about bikkurim sacrifices?Mamabear wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:57 pmSounds Masonic and not doctrinalArtaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:42 pm....... The temple.Mamabear wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:37 pmSource?Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:32 pm
Nope. "The posterity of Adam down to Moses, and from Moses to Jesus Christ, offered up the firstfruits of the field and the firstlings of the flock, which continued until the death of Jesus Christ, which ended sacrifice by the shedding of blood."
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You offered nothing but a quote with zero attribution. I said nothing on the church website mentions a fruit offering. Look it up. It is easy to find that it only mentions Adam and the law of sacrifice and shedding blood. Nothing about fruit. It is on you to prove it exists, not me to prove it doesn't.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:54 pmNope. Please post this alleged evidence.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:53 pmLol! You're joking right? Good one!Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:51 pm???? There's a church article that says "Adam didn't sacrifice the first fruits of the field"? I'd love to see that.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:45 pm
I have read about sacrifice. And the scriptures involving Adam. None include fruit and the church's website only mentions sacrifice by Adam with shedding of blood. Zero fruit. The quote you shared is wrong according to scripture and the church's own article about Adam and sacrifice.
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And there are no scriptures to back up your claim.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:54 pmNope. Please post this alleged evidence.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:53 pmLol! You're joking right? Good one!Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:51 pm???? There's a church article that says "Adam didn't sacrifice the first fruits of the field"? I'd love to see that.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:45 pm
I have read about sacrifice. And the scriptures involving Adam. None include fruit and the church's website only mentions sacrifice by Adam with shedding of blood. Zero fruit. The quote you shared is wrong according to scripture and the church's own article about Adam and sacrifice.
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I assumed most people would recognize a quote from the temple, but I guess I overestimated my audience.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 8:01 pmYou offered nothing but a quote with zero attribution. I said nothing on the church website mentions a fruit offering. Look it up. It is easy to find that it only mentions Adam and the law of sacrifice and shedding blood. Nothing about fruit. It is on you to prove it exists, not me to prove it doesn't.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:54 pmNope. Please post this alleged evidence.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:53 pmLol! You're joking right? Good one!Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:51 pm
???? There's a church article that says "Adam didn't sacrifice the first fruits of the field"? I'd love to see that.
You claimed "The quote you shared is wrong according to scripture and the church's own article about Adam and sacrifice." You didn't claim "The church website doesn't mention sacrifice of first fruits." There's a big difference between the two.
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I think your missing the point. OP claimed it was hat tip to Satan to have them sacrifice fruits. I pointed out that God in fact commanded it in scripture, so it cannot be viewed as evil. You may argue that it was anachronistic, which is fine. Claiming anything more than that is absurd.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 8:02 pmAnd there are no scriptures to back up your claim.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:54 pmNope. Please post this alleged evidence.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:53 pmLol! You're joking right? Good one!Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:51 pm
???? There's a church article that says "Adam didn't sacrifice the first fruits of the field"? I'd love to see that.
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No. But they do things to confuse people.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:59 pmYou think that the masons talk about bikkurim sacrifices?
βDeception is a strong element in Freemasonry. The Masonic Hierarchy intentionally misleads lower degree Masons. 33rd Degree Freemason Albert Pike stated this fact well in his well known book βMorals And Dogmaβ, βMasonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explainations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be mislead.β
βI am the god of this world.
You, the god of this world?
Yes. What do you want?β
This is not doctrine. Itβs derived from masonry.
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Oh my. First fruits refers to Christ, not actual fruit.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 8:07 pmI assumed most people would recognize a quote from the temple, but I guess I overestimated my audience.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 8:01 pmYou offered nothing but a quote with zero attribution. I said nothing on the church website mentions a fruit offering. Look it up. It is easy to find that it only mentions Adam and the law of sacrifice and shedding blood. Nothing about fruit. It is on you to prove it exists, not me to prove it doesn't.
You claimed "The quote you shared is wrong according to scripture and the church's own article about Adam and sacrifice." You didn't claim "The church website doesn't mention sacrifice of first fruits." There's a big difference between the two.
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.... You should read the OT. Like the part I quoted. It literally talks about sacrificing the first fruits of the harvest of their crops.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 8:29 pmOh my. First fruits refers to Christ, not actual fruit.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 8:07 pmI assumed most people would recognize a quote from the temple, but I guess I overestimated my audience.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 8:01 pmYou offered nothing but a quote with zero attribution. I said nothing on the church website mentions a fruit offering. Look it up. It is easy to find that it only mentions Adam and the law of sacrifice and shedding blood. Nothing about fruit. It is on you to prove it exists, not me to prove it doesn't.
You claimed "The quote you shared is wrong according to scripture and the church's own article about Adam and sacrifice." You didn't claim "The church website doesn't mention sacrifice of first fruits." There's a big difference between the two.
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What is misleading? You care that deeply about whether bikkurim sacrifices began with Moses or Adam?Mamabear wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 8:29 pmNo. But they do things to confuse people.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 7:59 pmYou think that the masons talk about bikkurim sacrifices?
βDeception is a strong element in Freemasonry. The Masonic Hierarchy intentionally misleads lower degree Masons. 33rd Degree Freemason Albert Pike stated this fact well in his well known book βMorals And Dogmaβ, βMasonry, like all the Religions, all the Mysteries conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, or the Elect, and uses false explainations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead those who deserve only to be mislead.β
βI am the god of this world.
You, the god of this world?
Yes. What do you want?β
This is not doctrine. Itβs derived from masonry.
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Again, that was not what Adam did. That is in Deuteronomy. It was in the Law of Moses, which Adam did not follow. He followed the law of sacrifice and performed animal sacrifice. It is found in Moses and in the temple when they mention him sacrificing the animal and an angel asking him why and he says he only knows because he was commanded. It was a similitude of Christ. He did not follow the Law of Moses. That began with Moses, hence its name.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 8:33 pm.... You should read the OT. Like the part I quoted. It literally talks about sacrificing the first fruits of the harvest of their crops.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 8:29 pmOh my. First fruits refers to Christ, not actual fruit.Artaxerxes wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 8:07 pmI assumed most people would recognize a quote from the temple, but I guess I overestimated my audience.CuriousThinker wrote: βOctober 22nd, 2022, 8:01 pm
You offered nothing but a quote with zero attribution. I said nothing on the church website mentions a fruit offering. Look it up. It is easy to find that it only mentions Adam and the law of sacrifice and shedding blood. Nothing about fruit. It is on you to prove it exists, not me to prove it doesn't.
You claimed "The quote you shared is wrong according to scripture and the church's own article about Adam and sacrifice." You didn't claim "The church website doesn't mention sacrifice of first fruits." There's a big difference between the two.
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