David - the conservative serpent`rebel

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David - the conservative serpent`rebel

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Rebellion is not of God, that seems clear enough from the scriptures The Fall was ultimately precipitated by a seraph in rebellion. 'Nimrod' - the giant founder of Babylon & Assyria - his name (in hebrew) lit means "rebel" .

Which is one reason why davids earlier life is so interesting, specifically in regard to his dynamic w/ king saul. As saul grows increasingly unhinged and tyrannical, it forces david into the awkward position of navigating Saul's unrighteous murderous dominion towards him in a way that jeopardise his own worthiness (in particular since he's the clandestinely-anointed future king set to ultimately replace saul).

This is an immensely relevant video, not only to the broader Davidic servant situation, but to literally everyone feeling the weight of various myriad tyrannies and wickedness from corrupt, Saul-like rulers everywhere. he specifically applies a part of it to all of the coronatarian/lockdown evil which has been inflicted on us these recent years.
Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Start
00:00:52 - Intro music
00:01:19 - King Saul: the tyrannical king
00:02:27 - The secret king in an upside down world
00:03:44 - David the court jester
00:05:29 - Excess naming
00:08:43 - What to do: Jonathan's sign to David
00:11:17 - The dragon pinned down
00:13:00 - Associating with the foreigner
00:15:20 - The conservative rebel VS the revolutionary
00:20:43 - Accept being the fringe
00:23:36 - Outro
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Davidic Fugitive 🐍🎶

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  • 1 Samuel 18
    The next day an evil spirit from God rushed upon Saul, and he raved within his house while David was playing the lyre, as he did day by day. Saul had his spear in his hand.
    And Saul hurled the spear, for he thought, “I will pin David to the wall.” But David evaded him twice.
    Saul was afraid of David because the LORD was with him but had departed from Saul.
In the video in the OP it talks about how Saul's instinct to pierce David with a spear has to do with fixing / capturing / naming something, like how you would pin 📍 a type of insect or specimen in a museum exhibit. To classify something, to label something, to assign an identity, similar to how when Adam named the various animals in Gen`2. To put something under your spiritual authority by imposing a name/identity upon it, to capture/fix its nature into a taxonomy, pinning it down📍
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in the video he makes the comparison between Archangel Michael piercing the serpent with a lance, except it's inverted, and David is like the snake, and Saul the one attempting to pierce/name/pin him.

the scriptures appear to corroborate this line of thinking, since just as David is a fugitive on the lam, so does the serpent get portrayed as an escaping fugitive...

1 Samuel 19
Then an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his spear in his hand. And David was playing the lyre[/i].
And Saul sought to pin David to the wall with the spear, but he eluded Saul, so that he struck the spear into the wall. And David fled and escaped that night..
Now David fled and escaped, and he came to Samuel at Ramah and told him all that Saul had done to him.
  • Isaiah 27
    In that day the LORD with his hard and great and strong sword will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting serpent, and he will slay the dragon that is in the sea.
  • Job 26
    By his power he stilled the sea; by his understanding he shattered Rahab.
    By his wind the heavens were made fair; his hand pierced the fugitive serpent.
  • Fr. Stephen: [Laughter] Right. And so it’s worth noting that one of the frequent sort of epithets— both in Ugaritic texts and in the Old Testament, in particular in Isaiah, is the fugitive serpent.” That gets translated in weird ways sometimes in English translations: the fleeing serpent or the serpent who runs away. And that makes for some really weird reading in English, because you have somebody—God beating the serpent who runs away, and that doesn’t sound very heroic or impressive. He was trying to run away! Like, seriously? But it’s more the idea of a fugitive. That’s what “fugitive” means, actually.

    Fr. Andrew: Yeah, it means fleeing.

    Fr. Stephen: Somebody who runs away, yeah. [Laughter] So it’s not incorrect; it’s just not really capturing the idea of what’s going on.

    Fr. Andrew: “I didn’t kill my wife!” kind of thing.
Scruptures appear to affirm pageau is absolutely correct in conceptualizing King Saul trying to pierce the fleeing, serpentine David as some kind of inversion of Michael piercing satan.
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Re: Davidic Fugitive 🐍🎶

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abijah wrote: October 12th, 2022, 4:06 pmHe is absolutely correct in conceptualizing King Saul trying to pierce the fleeing, serpentine David as some kind of inversion of Michael piercing satan.
also, note how ^the above applies to future-anticipating prophecies regarding the Davidic Servant..
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1 Samuel 19
Then an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his spear in his hand. And David was playing the lyre.
And Saul sought to pin David to the wall with the spear, but he eluded Saul, so that he struck the spear into the wall...
  • Isaiah 51
    Awake, awake, clothe yourself with strength, O arm of the LORD... was it not you who cut Rahab in pieces, who pierced the dragon
^The theme of David = Fugitive Serpent thus continues, with Saul trying to pierce the elusive David, just as the Davidic servant pierces the Rahab serpent..

Also consider how it makes special mention that it was specifically against the wall that Saul attempts to skewer him, providing more serpentine/rahab connections...

1 Samuel 18
And Saul hurled the spear, for he thought, “I will pin David to the wall.” But David evaded him twice.

1 Samuel 19
And Saul sought to pin David to the wall with the spear, but he eluded Saul, so that he struck the spear into the wall.
  • Joshua 2
    Then Rahab let them down by a rope through the window, for her house was built into the city wall, so that she lived in the wall.
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Rahab embodies the nature of cyclical Time at the fringes of stable Space ---->
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Which has to do with serpent symbolism..
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^thus we see yet another connection further confirming the hypothesis that David = Fugitive Serpent, in that again we see a connection to Rahab (like the serpent "rahab" of Isaiah 51..) in that the scripture makes especial note that she lives in the wall, just as it makes especial note that it was upon the wall that Saul repeatedly tried to skewer David..
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Re: Davidic Fugitive 🐍🎶

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abijah wrote: October 12th, 2022, 5:58 pmImage
Joshua 2
Then Rahab let them down by a rope through the window, for her house was built into the city wall, so that she lived in the wall.

1 Samuel 19
So Michal let David down through the window, and he fled away and escaped.
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Yet another connection, as this is precisely how Saul's daughter (and David's wife) Michal saves his life from her psycho dad the king.
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Re: Davidic Fugitive 🐍🎶

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abijah wrote: October 12th, 2022, 4:06 pm the scriptures appear to corroborate this line of thinking, since just as David is a fugitive on the lam, so does the cosmic serpent get portrayed as an escaping fugitive...

1 Samuel 19
Then an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his spear in his hand. And David was playing the lyre.
And Saul sought to pin David to the wall with the spear, but he eluded Saul, so that he struck the spear into the wall. And David fled and escaped that night..
Now David fled and escaped, and he came to Samuel at Ramah and told him all that Saul had done to him.
  • Isaiah 27
    In that day the LORD with his hard and great and strong sword will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting serpent, and he will slay the dragon that is in the sea.
  • Job 26
    By his power he stilled the sea; by his understanding he shattered Rahab.
    By his wind the heavens were made fair; his hand pierced the fugitive serpent.
  • Fr. Stephen: [Laughter] Right. And so it’s worth noting that one of the frequent sort of epithets— both in Ugaritic texts and in the Old Testament, in particular in Isaiah, is the fugitive serpent.” That gets translated in weird ways sometimes in English translations: the fleeing serpent or the serpent who runs away. And that makes for some really weird reading in English, because you have somebody—God beating the serpent who runs away, and that doesn’t sound very heroic or impressive. He was trying to run away! Like, seriously? But it’s more the idea of a fugitive. That’s what “fugitive” means, actually.

    Fr. Andrew: Yeah, it means fleeing.

    Fr. Stephen: Somebody who runs away, yeah. [Laughter] So it’s not incorrect; it’s just not really capturing the idea of what’s going on.

    Fr. Andrew: “I didn’t kill my wife!” kind of thing.
Pageau is absolutely correct in conceptualizing King Saul trying to pierce the fleeing, serpentine David as some kind of inversion of Michael piercing satan.
This whole "fleeing serpent" leitmotif definitely comes up in Moses's prescribed signs/miracles when he's commissioned --->

Exodus 4
The LORD said to Moses, “What is that in your hand?” He said, “A staff.”
And he said, “Throw it on the ground.” So he threw it on the ground, and it became a serpent, and Moses fled from it..
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🎼 🐍 Serpents and Music

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Carrying on, Serpents and Music are related symbols, and both come together strongly in the davidic profile as we've seen.
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1 Samuel 19
Then an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his spear in his hand. And David was playing the lyre.
And Saul sought to pin David to the wall with the spear, but he eluded Saul, so that he struck the spear into the wall.

Both music and serpents symbolically both have to do with the Time cycle (as opposed to the Spatial axis).
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Ezekiel 32
the word of the LORD came to me: “Son of man, raise a lamentation song over Pharaoh king of Egypt and say to him:
'You consider yourself a lion of the nations, but you are like a dragon in the seas...
This is the lamentation song that shall be chanted; the daughters of the nations shall chant it; over Egypt, and over all her multitude, shall chant it, declares the Lord GOD.”


Isaiah 27
In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish Leviathan the piercing serpent, even Leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
In that day sing ye unto her, A vineyard of red wine.

Ezekiel 28
Son of man, take up a lamentation song upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering... the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created... till iniquity was found in thee.

Psalm 104
Here is the sea, great and 'wide'...
There go the ships, and Leviathan, which you formed to play in it.

Isaiah 14
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy harps: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Micah 1
For this I will lament and wail; I will go stripped and naked; I will make lamentation like the dragons, and mourning like the owls.

We also see that the Jubilee Year is also related to music and cyclical time ---->

Genesis 4
His brother’s name was Jubal; he was the father of all those who play the lyre and pipe.

"Jubilee" is the same word for the musical instrument of the ram's horn/trump
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In Isaiah 61, the jubilee (year of the LORD’s favour) gets associated with the anointing of oil and the Spirit, which derives from the anointing of David, where Samuel pours it out from the ram's horn...

1 Samuel 16
Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the *midst of his brothers*. And the Spirit of the LORD rushed upon David from that day forward...
  • Psalm 45
    You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness *beyond your companions*
    Your robes are all fragrant with myrrh and aloes and cassia. From ivory palaces stringed instruments make you glad..

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Re: Davidic Fugitive 🐍🎶

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:shock: its wild how deep the david = fleeing`serpent rabbithole has led me...
abijah wrote: October 12th, 2022, 4:06 pm Image

1 Samuel 19
Then an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his spear in his hand. And David was playing the lyre[/i].
And Saul sought to pin David to the wall with the spear, but he eluded Saul, so that he struck the spear into the wall. And David fled and escaped that night..
Now David fled and escaped, and he came to Samuel at Ramah and told him all that Saul had done to him.
  • Isaiah 27
    In that day the LORD with his hard and great and strong sword will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting serpent, and he will slay the dragon that is in the sea.
  • Job 26
    By his power he stilled the sea; by his understanding he shattered Rahab.
    By his wind the heavens were made fair; his hand pierced the fugitive serpent.

1 Samuel 19
Then an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his spear in his hand. And David was playing the lyre.
And Saul sought to pin David to the wall with the spear, but he eluded Saul, so that he struck the spear into the wall...
  • Isaiah 51
    Awake, awake, clothe yourself with strength, O arm of the LORD... was it not you who cut Rahab in pieces, who pierced the dragon
    Was it not you who dried up the sea the waters of the great deep, who made the depths of the sea a way for the redeemed to pass over?

🤔 Interesting how you can scarcely even find a reference to rahab/leviathan without there being davidic references all over the place...

Psalm 89 is all about the Davidic covenant, which God established w/ him in 2 Samuel 7. The davidic covenant is an everlasting covenant, meaning it's unconditional and has no way of being nullified. upon considering the wretched state of the davidic throne, the psalmist goes on to ask God if he will indeed do what He said He would do and fulfil His promise to David that He would never abandon him like Saul 🤔 and of course... it's in this davidic backdrop and context that the psalmist speaks about the rahab sea serpent..

Psalm 89
I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant,
Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to all generations. Selah.
Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them.
Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm..
Then thou spakest in vision to thy holy one, and saidst, I have laid help upon one that is mighty; I have exalted one chosen out of the people.
I have found David my servant; with my holy oil have I anointed him.
I will set his hand also in the seas, and his right hand in the rivers.
He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation.

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Re: Davidic Fugitive 🐍🎶

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abijah wrote: October 12th, 2022, 5:58 pmImage Also consider how it makes special mention that it was specifically against the wall that Saul attempts to skewer him, providing more serpentine/the (red) sea/rahab connections...

thus we see yet another connection further confirming the hypothesis that David = Fugitive Serpent, in that again we see a connection to Rahab (like the serpent "rahab" of Isaiah 51..) in that the scripture makes especial note that she lives in the wall, just as it makes especial note that it was upon the wall that Saul repeatedly tried to skewer David..
i didn't quite realise in this post how much bigger this Wall leitmotif. apparently the word also means side... ;)

1 Samuel 18
And Saul hurled the spear, for he thought, “I will pin David to the wall.” But David evaded him twice.

1 Samuel 19
And Saul sought to pin David to the wall with the spear, but he eluded Saul, so that he struck the spear into the wall.

Joshua 2
Then Rahab let them down by a rope through the window, for her house was built into the city wall, so that she lived in the wall.

Exodus 14
And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided.
And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground: and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left.

Psalm 78
Marvellous things did he in the sight of their fathers, in the land of Egypt, in the field of Zoan.
He divided the sea, and caused them to pass through; and he made the waters to stand as a wall.

Ezekiel 26
Son of man, because that Tyrus hath said against Jerusalem, Aha, she is broken that was the gates of the people: she is turned unto me: I shall be replenished, now she is laid waste:
Therefore thus saith the LORD God; Behold, I am against thee, O Tyrus, and will cause many nations to come up against thee, as the sea causeth his waves to come up.
And they shall destroy the walls of Tyrus, and break down her towers..
It shall be a place for the spreading of nets in the midst of the sea: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD

Jeremiah 15
And I will make thee unto this people a fenced brazen wall: and they shall fight against thee, but they shall not prevail against thee: for I am with thee to save thee and to deliver thee, saith the LORD.
And I will deliver thee out of the hand of the wicked, and I will redeem thee out of the hand of the terrible.

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