Suggestions to Improve General Conference
- Robin Hood
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Suggestions to Improve General Conference
Maybe it's just me, but I find General Conference thoroughly tedious. It's also very "samey". Same format, same subjects, same choir/music etc.
I would be interested to read forum members thoughts on changes or improvements that could be made.
Some of my initial thoughts:
Firstly, I think once a year is quite sufficient.
Second, limit it to two sessions; one on the Saturday and one on Sunday.
Let's hear less from the choir and have more congregational singing.
An end to pre-approved sermons.
Some non-GA/CO speakers; just regular members.
I would also like to see some actual conferring take place.
I would be interested to read forum members thoughts on changes or improvements that could be made.
Some of my initial thoughts:
Firstly, I think once a year is quite sufficient.
Second, limit it to two sessions; one on the Saturday and one on Sunday.
Let's hear less from the choir and have more congregational singing.
An end to pre-approved sermons.
Some non-GA/CO speakers; just regular members.
I would also like to see some actual conferring take place.
- Chip
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Re: Suggestions to Improve General Conference
Enough of all that. How about the Davidic Servant, instead? More Mighty and Strong and less flaccid and Gong.
I'm thinking this whole format of speakers and choir has staled. God must have something new.
I'm thinking this whole format of speakers and choir has staled. God must have something new.
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blitzinstripes
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My suggestion is they place large signs and banners all around the pulpit, showing our investments, interests, and alliances, similar to how a race car driver shows their sponsors.
"This general conference has been brought to you by Pfizer, Ensign Peak Investments, Black Rock Financial, the United Nations, Black Lives Matter, the World Economic Forum, The United Nations Agenda 2030, The Democratic National Convention,
the LGBTQ community, and the Roman Catholic church. "
List continues....
"This general conference has been brought to you by Pfizer, Ensign Peak Investments, Black Rock Financial, the United Nations, Black Lives Matter, the World Economic Forum, The United Nations Agenda 2030, The Democratic National Convention,
the LGBTQ community, and the Roman Catholic church. "
List continues....
- Dusty Wanderer
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Hear, hear. Unbind/"un-correlate" their tongues (Spirit unconstrained).
This would be interesting, though the presiding class would have the tendency to select family members and friends or the CES standouts. Perhaps it could be done through a combination of common consent and casting lots. Each stake and district has an anonymous vote with the nominated going into the church-wide pool. Then a drawing of the names to select the 2-3 speakers. The random drawing could be done in the ancient Israelite tradition of casting lots, in the sense that the members have faith that the names drawn represent the will of the Lord.
- Chip
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And the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, with funding from our faithful members.
Don't forget Bill. He's in everything.
And The Home Depot (why not)?
Don't forget Bill. He's in everything.
And The Home Depot (why not)?
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- TheChristian
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Re: Suggestions to Improve General Conference
Order in Church Meetings........ Apostle Paul ...
"Whenever you come together, each of you has a hym,
has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation.
Let all things be done for edification.
If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret.
But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church,
and let him speak to himself and to God.
Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.
But if anything is revealed to another who sits by,
let the first keep silent.
For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged.
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy,
and do not forbid speaking in Tongues.
Let all things be done decently and in order.
If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual,
let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord."
"Whenever you come together, each of you has a hym,
has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation.
Let all things be done for edification.
If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret.
But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church,
and let him speak to himself and to God.
Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.
But if anything is revealed to another who sits by,
let the first keep silent.
For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged.
And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy,
and do not forbid speaking in Tongues.
Let all things be done decently and in order.
If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual,
let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord."
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Mamabear
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HVDC
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Re: Suggestions to Improve General Conference
I have a few suggestions.Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 12th, 2022, 10:51 am Maybe it's just me, but I find General Conference thoroughly tedious. It's also very "samey". Same format, same subjects, same choir/music etc.
I would be interested to read forum members thoughts on changes or improvements that could be made.
Some of my initial thoughts:
Firstly, I think once a year is quite sufficient.
Second, limit it to two sessions; one on the Saturday and one on Sunday.
Let's hear less from the choir and have more congregational singing.
An end to pre-approved sermons.
Some non-GA/CO speakers; just regular members.
I would also like to see some actual conferring take place.
More Rap music.
Nothing more stale than the MoTab.
No mostly pale people unless hooked up to someone of color. (A color chart with swatches will be used to determine excessive paleness)
No one over sixty.
A cis identifying male only session.
A cis identifying female only session.
A neither of those session.
A can't decide what they identify as session.
A sorting hat for those who wish to know their orientation.
Allow Emotional support animals including stuffed.
Litter boxes for the furries.
Standby therapists with Thorazine in case someone gets triggered.
A speaker from every country.
Each speaker must speak in their own tounge.
No translations allowed, the lord will provide understanding.
Fireworks.
Feast after, ethnic foods only.
Sir H
- Fred
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What if each Apostle that spoke, bares his testimony as to how exactly, that he knows whatever it is that he says he knows. And it better be more important than the profit is a prophet. Like when Jesus appeared. Or even an angel. Maybe a miracle that he performed. Something a little more substantial than Wendy saying that she knows her husband is a prophet because she has witnessed him writing in the night with a pen that has a light.
RMN tried taking advice from the LDSFF but his story about praying for a godsend and getting a clot shot came up a little short as more and more people died from it.
Saying that after speaking with attorneys that revealed a predicament, he was inspired to accept queers, somehow just doesn't sound as good as "Thus saith the Lord..."
We have all had dreams. Maybe he had a dream that if church was an hour shorter, some people would come.
Perhaps when he discovered that his dream about a godsend was actually a nightmare, he can explain how to tell the difference.
RMN tried taking advice from the LDSFF but his story about praying for a godsend and getting a clot shot came up a little short as more and more people died from it.
Saying that after speaking with attorneys that revealed a predicament, he was inspired to accept queers, somehow just doesn't sound as good as "Thus saith the Lord..."
We have all had dreams. Maybe he had a dream that if church was an hour shorter, some people would come.
Perhaps when he discovered that his dream about a godsend was actually a nightmare, he can explain how to tell the difference.
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spiritMan
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Re: Suggestions to Improve General Conference
They do not expound the scriptures.Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 12th, 2022, 10:51 am Maybe it's just me, but I find General Conference thoroughly tedious. It's also very "samey". Same format, same subjects, same choir/music etc.
I would be interested to read forum members thoughts on changes or improvements that could be made.
Some of my initial thoughts:
Firstly, I think once a year is quite sufficient.
Second, limit it to two sessions; one on the Saturday and one on Sunday.
Let's hear less from the choir and have more congregational singing.
An end to pre-approved sermons.
Some non-GA/CO speakers; just regular members.
I would also like to see some actual conferring take place.
It is all fluff, and pop-psychology with a little bit of Jesus thrown in for good measure. It's pop-psychology masquerading around as a religion.
- abijah
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it's very corporate, very boring and superficial.
and yeah it's always the same, not just in terms of the content of the talks, but also the delivery.
the tone, the tempo, the cadence of the voice, everything's so painfully cookie-cutter and formulaic.
maybe the Church has just gotten so entrenched in tradition/routine over the years, that now as the world is changing at an increasingly-rapid pace and degree, the boomers who run things at the top are simply incapable of adapting how they need to. complacently assuming that the church's same old routines and procedures of yesteryear will suffice just fine going forward, when in reality they've grown stale and hollow since a while ago.
and yeah it's always the same, not just in terms of the content of the talks, but also the delivery.
the tone, the tempo, the cadence of the voice, everything's so painfully cookie-cutter and formulaic.
maybe the Church has just gotten so entrenched in tradition/routine over the years, that now as the world is changing at an increasingly-rapid pace and degree, the boomers who run things at the top are simply incapable of adapting how they need to. complacently assuming that the church's same old routines and procedures of yesteryear will suffice just fine going forward, when in reality they've grown stale and hollow since a while ago.
- InfoWarrior82
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Re: Suggestions to Improve General Conference
Maybe quote something Jesus Christ said to them? Is that too much to expect from men who claim to be prophets?
- Reluctant Watchman
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Re: Suggestions to Improve General Conference
No teleprompters, no notes. Just speak from the heart.
Oh, and stop teaching false doctrine, that would help also.
Oh, and stop teaching false doctrine, that would help also.
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Pnwlivesmatter
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Re: Suggestions to Improve General Conference
I have so many to list
1. No more 70s speaking. They have enough chances at area/stake conferences to speak. 70s talks simply are boring, full of sports metaphors and corporate jargon, and usually come across as someone really trying to print their ticket to the next level. Plus they can't really say anything "revelatory" or interesting because they are not prophets seers and revelators.
2. Instead, let a random member speak sometime (they used to do this).
3. not to be offensive, but if english is not a strong suite of yours, speak in your own mother tongue. Id prefer a spanish talk translated with subtitles vs another poorly accented english talk (theres several every conference).
4. No more saturday morning and afternoon session. Just an evening priesthood one on sat.
5. Every once in awhile do a session at the taberncle
6. Motab women stop wearing those dresses. Something more modern.
7. Let some of the 12 "wing" their talks. Basically a testimony meeting. In fact, have a session once a year where the 12 DO just hold a testimony meeting. If we have to do once a month, they can do. Stand up in front of the mic and testify as a special witness one after the other. no fluff.
1. No more 70s speaking. They have enough chances at area/stake conferences to speak. 70s talks simply are boring, full of sports metaphors and corporate jargon, and usually come across as someone really trying to print their ticket to the next level. Plus they can't really say anything "revelatory" or interesting because they are not prophets seers and revelators.
2. Instead, let a random member speak sometime (they used to do this).
3. not to be offensive, but if english is not a strong suite of yours, speak in your own mother tongue. Id prefer a spanish talk translated with subtitles vs another poorly accented english talk (theres several every conference).
4. No more saturday morning and afternoon session. Just an evening priesthood one on sat.
5. Every once in awhile do a session at the taberncle
6. Motab women stop wearing those dresses. Something more modern.
7. Let some of the 12 "wing" their talks. Basically a testimony meeting. In fact, have a session once a year where the 12 DO just hold a testimony meeting. If we have to do once a month, they can do. Stand up in front of the mic and testify as a special witness one after the other. no fluff.
- Dusty Wanderer
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lolHVDC wrote: ↑October 12th, 2022, 6:40 pmLitter boxes for the furries.Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 12th, 2022, 10:51 am Maybe it's just me, but I find General Conference thoroughly tedious. It's also very "samey". Same format, same subjects, same choir/music etc.
I would be interested to read forum members thoughts on changes or improvements that could be made.
Some of my initial thoughts:
Firstly, I think once a year is quite sufficient.
Second, limit it to two sessions; one on the Saturday and one on Sunday.
Let's hear less from the choir and have more congregational singing.
An end to pre-approved sermons.
Some non-GA/CO speakers; just regular members.
I would also like to see some actual conferring take place.
- FoxMammaWisdom
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Let real actual non-celebrity nobody people on the pulpit to bear unscripted testimonies of their own experiences beyond the veil, especially personal witnesses of Jesus.
- Robin Hood
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We have 12 of those a year, which is 13 too many.FoxMammaWisdom wrote: ↑October 12th, 2022, 11:08 pm Let real actual non-celebrity nobody people on the pulpit to bear unscripted testimonies of their own experiences beyond the veil, especially personal witnesses of Jesus.
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- Chip
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This would be great. Unscripted and unlimited, in terms of content. No pre-correlating talks.FoxMammaWisdom wrote: ↑October 12th, 2022, 11:08 pm Let real actual non-celebrity nobody people on the pulpit to bear unscripted testimonies of their own experiences beyond the veil, especially personal witnesses of Jesus.
- Fred
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How many of those are actually testimonies? Travelogues, quote a GA, or saying what mother whispers doesn't count.Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 13th, 2022, 12:10 amWe have 12 of those a year, which is 13 times too many.FoxMammaWisdom wrote: ↑October 12th, 2022, 11:08 pm Let real actual non-celebrity nobody people on the pulpit to bear unscripted testimonies of their own experiences beyond the veil, especially personal witnesses of Jesus.
- Ebenezer
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On the Monday morning after GC there needs to be a press conference/Q&A with the entire Q15 so they can add clarity and specificity to their generic speeches.
Examples:
“President Nelson, when you told members that temples would open when the government said they could open, did you know that there were still several temples closed where there were no government restrictions?”
Or:
“Elder Renlund, why do you think the Covid shot is safe and effective?”
Or:
“Elder Christofferson, were you endorsing or condemning Agenda 2030?”
Or:
“President Nelson, why do none of the speakers in conference bear testimony that the Book of Mormon is an authentic, divinely inspired work?”
Or:
“President Nelson, have you spoken with Jesus, face to face?”
Or:
“President Oaks, did you mean to imply that only people who attend LDS meetings will go to heaven?”
Or:
“President Nelson, you called the Covid shot a ‘literal godsend’, do you know what those words, literal and godsend, actually mean?”
Or:
“Elder Gong, are you still under the influence of your overlords at the CFR?”
Or:
“Sister Eubank, how long have you been married to a woman?”
And so forth.
Examples:
“President Nelson, when you told members that temples would open when the government said they could open, did you know that there were still several temples closed where there were no government restrictions?”
Or:
“Elder Renlund, why do you think the Covid shot is safe and effective?”
Or:
“Elder Christofferson, were you endorsing or condemning Agenda 2030?”
Or:
“President Nelson, why do none of the speakers in conference bear testimony that the Book of Mormon is an authentic, divinely inspired work?”
Or:
“President Nelson, have you spoken with Jesus, face to face?”
Or:
“President Oaks, did you mean to imply that only people who attend LDS meetings will go to heaven?”
Or:
“President Nelson, you called the Covid shot a ‘literal godsend’, do you know what those words, literal and godsend, actually mean?”
Or:
“Elder Gong, are you still under the influence of your overlords at the CFR?”
Or:
“Sister Eubank, how long have you been married to a woman?”
And so forth.
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briznian
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I've quoted this before on the forum, but if they followed this advice alone I think conference would be more enjoyable.
Elder Anderson is bad about this. Twice now he has given fairly decent talks in conference about Jesus. But each time he has also mentioned President Nelson and he just gushes over him. You can tell who Elder Anderson has a closer relationship with by how he talks about each.
https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper ... ust-1835/3We discover an error in Elder Marshe’s letter— He says, “To the able preaching of Elders W. E. M.c.Lellin & P. P. Pratt.” We conclude that if it had been the preaching of the Lord, as it should have been, he would have had the honor, and not these men.
Elder Anderson is bad about this. Twice now he has given fairly decent talks in conference about Jesus. But each time he has also mentioned President Nelson and he just gushes over him. You can tell who Elder Anderson has a closer relationship with by how he talks about each.
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briznian
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Re: Suggestions to Improve General Conference
Put a suggestion box at the conference center and honestly read from it.
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Mamabear
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- Robin Hood
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Re: Suggestions to Improve General Conference
About 2%.Fred wrote: ↑October 13th, 2022, 10:36 amHow many of those are actually testimonies? Travelogues, quote a GA, or saying what mother whispers doesn't count.Robin Hood wrote: ↑October 13th, 2022, 12:10 amWe have 12 of those a year, which is 13 times too many.FoxMammaWisdom wrote: ↑October 12th, 2022, 11:08 pm Let real actual non-celebrity nobody people on the pulpit to bear unscripted testimonies of their own experiences beyond the veil, especially personal witnesses of Jesus.
- Niemand
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The best way to improve General Conference is not to watch it.
I wonder how many new members have left after being forced to watch it?
I wonder how many new members have left after being forced to watch it?
