General Conference October 2022 - Saturday Live Thread and Recap

[Subcomandante]

Elder Pino references Subcomandante's house

[Voyager]

Nelson probably went down and they gave us one hour of the choir in different dresses making me think it was a feed. . . not all live

perhaps they took down a shooter..I went one year and they did have to take down a guy in the congregation that stood up and started shouting

cameras avoided the man but today the cameras probably couldn't avoid what was going on.

Did something happen today?

Nope. Oaks spoke first and Nelson is speaking last. That's about it.

[BuriedTartaria]

I can't believe they're changing the "INSPIRED, MADE FROM PROPHETS" Standard of Youth. TBMs, it's clear (and it's going to become more clear) they want to appeal to the lowest common denominator found at LDS churches. They want out of the LGBT culture war. It's over. You're going to be getting a "revelation" any year now. It's over.

[BringerOfJoy]

Second framework: Personal revelation will come through our lanes, and not on others' lanes.

Only the Prophet receives revelation for the entire Church, Hiram Page referenced.

Yeah well don't ask me to sacrifice my kids in your ideological altar so my kids can be companions with openly queer missionaries.

If I could give this two thumbs up, I would. I didn't realize this was a thing until we observed it out in the field as a senior
couple. That was a decade ago, but it still troubles me that those companions were being put in an impossible situation.
No doubt still-in-the-closet gays had always been an issue in one degree or another, but the openness of the situation was mind boggling.

You wouldn't put a nineteen year old straight boy to be a companion with a 19 year old girl if you had any sense at all. Why on earth would
you do this?

[TheDuke]

Actually, Renlund said some astute things, at least taken in context. Like not getting repeated instructions for the same thing and getting confused. And he emphasized getting our own revelation. That is refreshing.

[Subcomandante]

"Today we hear a lot about a new normal. If you want a new normal, turn your heart towards God and Jesus Christ" - Elder Pino, referencing president Nelson

[Subcomandante]

Each person is responsible for learning the Gospel. Parents are responsible for teaching the Gospel to their children." Elder Pino

[endlessQuestions]

Elder Pino references Subcomandante's house

[BuriedTartaria]

"Today we hear a lot about a new normal. If you want a new normal, turn your heart towards God and Jesus Christ" - Elder Pino, referencing president Nelson

I appreciate this. I'm absolutely floored and shocked he didn't say, "we agree. Consider how being a good global citizen can bring us a new normal quicker."


Covid rang a bell, it was a declaration of war on humanity. A flex of power from TPTB. Nothing will be the same.

[EvanLM]

There is a lot of confusion about what is right and what is wrong, but when you honestly seek the truth, eternal, unchanging truth, the options become clearer" - Elder Uchtdorf

what he says is so unhelpful . . .he doesn't tell them directly how to seek Jesus but it will just happen if they think it . . . .the ruby slippers

so my SS teacher who is around 45-50 years old, tells us in a lesson that he is mad cuz no one answered his questions in his youth.

He has been a seminary teacher and now is in the bishopric

my point: who is supposed to tell him anything? manuals, conference talks, older members, seminary teachers, etc? How did the early saints come to Christ without all of this media in our church? hmmmmmm c'mon tell me

How did JS learn that he could pray to God . . .did he say he realized it after seeing a film produced by the church.? I honestly cannot remember the majority of the people in the church telling me that they were inspired by scripture. I don't hear few questions answered with scripture but instead by words of man.

Why the heck would anyone expect his elders to tell him the answer to all his doctrinal and spiritual questions.? and now his message to the next generation . . .rely on me . . I got it now . . I know the answers cuz I have asked enough . . .what did JS do I ask you?

I'm tired of endless stories and media . . give me some scriptures at conference and please tell me that it works if you follow them . . not just a short verse taken out of context but the whole context . . it works . .learn it . . please

[Chip]

Expect the message in this talk (the one about "The Lord's prophet" being the only person who can receive revelation and the Hiram Page story) to become a more commonly discussed topic. Nothing new is being given in this talk, but they can see people are walking away from the LDS Institution while continuing on in a belief in the Book of Mormon.

No unhallowed hand implies a hallowed hand can stop "the work" from progressing. I don't think "the work" is progressing in this institution.

Last night, we watched the first two episodes of "Stay Sweet, Pray, and Obey" about Warren Jeffs and the FLDS. Always, leaders preach their authority when they feel things slipping. Our leaders may not be marrying 14-year-old girls, but they are still dispensing sometimes lethal advice that people are following, like "safe and effective".

[Subcomandante]

Happiness does not depend on our circumstances but on our attitude towards our circumstances" Elder Montoya

[Subcomandante]

As a reference, Elder Montoya is currently my local Area President.

[EvanLM]

Each person is responsible for learning the Gospel. Parents are responsible for teaching the Gospel to their children." Elder Pino

they're responsible to teach their children to learn the scriptures, apply them to their lives and rely on Christ for further knowledge. They will be held accountable if they didn't teach

[BuriedTartaria]

Always, leaders preach their authority when they feel things slipping.

YES!

[Chris]

You guys are like a bunch of teenage girls bashing the fat kid you dont like. I still dont understand why you watch conference if you dont believe it? Most of you have made covenants that you have pissed in the wind. God will not be mocked and you will account for the constant bashing of the brethren. Whether you think you will or not. You are cutting your self off Just like Joseph said would happen.

You sound like the children of israel of old. WHO is MOSES?, How dare he ask us to listen to him, who the hell does he think he is. What a prick asking us to come out to this hell hole. It would have been better for us to remain in egypt and serve pharaoh...... right.

Let it go if you want to apostatize move on. But i guess another Joseph prophecy fullfiled right, people can leave the church but they cant leave it alone.

Like a bunch of bitter old women who are scorned you sit and poke and murmur...... You guys have no clue what is coming in the next 2 years. The world will be turned upside down and one of the reasons they are emphazing following the prophet is because they will be some of the only people left.

[Subcomandante]

There is a lot of confusion about what is right and what is wrong, but when you honestly seek the truth, eternal, unchanging truth, the options become clearer" - Elder Uchtdorf

what he says is so unhelpful . . .he doesn't tell them directly how to seek Jesus but it will just happen if they think it . . . .the ruby slippers

so my SS teacher who is around 45-50 years old, tells us in a lesson that he is mad cuz no one answered his questions in his youth.

He has been a seminary teacher and now is in the bishopric

my point: who is supposed to tell him anything? manuals, conference talks, older members, seminary teachers, etc? How did the early saints come to Christ without all of this media in our church? hmmmmmm c'mon tell me

How did JS learn that he could pray to God . . .did he say he realized it after seeing a film produced by the church.? I honestly cannot remember the majority of the people in the church telling me that they were inspired by scripture. I don't hear few questions answered with scripture but instead by words of man.

Why the heck would anyone expect his elders to tell him the answer to all his doctrinal and spiritual questions.? and now his message to the next generation . . .rely on me . . I got it now . . I know the answers cuz I have asked enough . . .what did JS do I ask you?

I'm tired of endless stories and media . . give me some scriptures at conference and please tell me that it works if you follow them . . not just a short verse taken out of context but the whole context . . it works . .learn it . . please

We are not expected to have the elders or anyone answer all the questions. That's why we have the Scriptures and personal revelation to be our guide. And minimal effort to find those answers will result in minimum results.

[Subcomandante]

You guys are like a bunch of teenage girls bashing the fat kid you dont like. I still dont understand why you watch conference if you dont believe it? Most of you have made covenants that you have pissed in the wind. God will not be mocked and you will account for the constant bashing of the brethren. Whether you think you will or not. You are cutting your self off Just like Joseph said would happen.

You sound like the children of israel of old. WHO is MOSES?, How dare he ask us to listen to him, who the hell does he think he is. What a prick asking us to come out to this hell hole. It would have been better for us to remain in egypt and serve pharaoh...... right.

Let it go if you want to apostatize move on. But i guess another Joseph prophecy fullfiled right, people can leave the church but they cant leave it alone.

Like a bunch of bitter old women who are scorned you sit and poke and murmur...... You guys have no clue what is coming in the next 2 years. The world will be turned upside down and one of the reasons they are emphazing following the prophet is because they will be some of the only people left.

I believe in their message, that's why I MADE THIS THREAD TWO WEEKS AGO, and you will see other threads authored by me for the past conference as well.

[spiritMan]

Each person is responsible for learning the Gospel. Parents are responsible for teaching the Gospel to their children." Elder Pino

So what happens when I tell my kids the rainbow should be avoided and the family next door says it should be embraced.

How in heavens name can we even belong to the same religion and actually commune together with such a wide gulf?

[BuriedTartaria]

You guys are like a bunch of teenage girls bashing the fat kid you dont like. I still dont understand why you watch conference if you dont believe it?

Why are you posting here if you don't like it? You're doing literally the same thing you disapprove of us doing. This is a Book of Mormon believing/secret combination/conservative focused forum. The LDS institute doesn't look the same as it used to. Following the Book of Mormon's warnings would make a softened heart feel differently and wary of the LDS institution, I'm not saying it would or should make all not follow the LDS institute, but it's reasonable that some have stopped believing their claims of authority. You know what you'll get here, you disagree with it and you keep coming. How is that different from us watching and offering our commentary on conference?

[InfoWarrior82]

You guys are like a bunch of teenage girls bashing the fat kid you dont like. I still dont understand why you watch conference if you dont believe it? Most of you have made covenants that you have pissed in the wind. God will not be mocked and you will account for the constant bashing of the brethren. Whether you think you will or not. You are cutting your self off Just like Joseph said would happen.

You sound like the children of israel of old. WHO is MOSES?, How dare he ask us to listen to him, who the hell does he think he is. What a prick asking us to come out to this hell hole. It would have been better for us to remain in egypt and serve pharaoh...... right.

Let it go if you want to apostatize move on. But i guess another Joseph prophecy fullfiled right, people can leave the church but they cant leave it alone.

Like a bunch of bitter old women who are scorned you sit and poke and murmur...... You guys have no clue what is coming in the next 2 years. The world will be turned upside down and one of the reasons they are emphazing following the prophet is because they will be some of the only people left.

Except Moses could quote the Lord and had many, many, fruits.

Why am I "obsessed" with this thing? Well, because that's how the Lord instructed us to judge any man claiming to be a prophet of God. We should ALL be obsessed with this.

[abijah]

i get the feeling they tell all the foreigners to crank their accent up to 11.

[Artaxerxes]

You guys are like a bunch of teenage girls bashing the fat kid you dont like. I still dont understand why you watch conference if you dont believe it?

Why are you posting here if you don't like it? You're doing literally the same thing you disapprove of us doing. This is a Book of Mormon believing/secret combination/conservative focused forum. The LDS institute doesn't look the same as it used to. Following the Book of Mormon's warnings would make a softened heart feel differently and wary of the LDS institution, I'm not saying it would or should make any all not follow the LDS institute, but it's reasonable that some have stopped believing their claims of authority. You know what you'll get here, you disagree with it and you keep coming. How is that different from us watching and offering our commentary on conference?

The forum dropped the LDS from it's name? It's just the Freedom Forum now?

[endlessQuestions]

You guys are like a bunch of teenage girls bashing the fat kid you dont like. I still dont understand why you watch conference if you dont believe it? Most of you have made covenants that you have pissed in the wind. God will not be mocked and you will account for the constant bashing of the brethren. Whether you think you will or not. You are cutting your self off Just like Joseph said would happen.

You sound like the children of israel of old. WHO is MOSES?, How dare he ask us to listen to him, who the hell does he think he is. What a prick asking us to come out to this hell hole. It would have been better for us to remain in egypt and serve pharaoh...... right.

Let it go if you want to apostatize move on. But i guess another Joseph prophecy fullfiled right, people can leave the church but they cant leave it alone.

Like a bunch of bitter old women who are scorned you sit and poke and murmur...... You guys have no clue what is coming in the next 2 years. The world will be turned upside down and one of the reasons they are emphazing following the prophet is because they will be some of the only people left.

“Like a bunch of bitter old women”

Wow, what a sexist thing to say. Better go get some more “good global citizen” training.

[BuriedTartaria]

You guys are like a bunch of teenage girls bashing the fat kid you dont like. I still dont understand why you watch conference if you dont believe it?

Why are you posting here if you don't like it? You're doing literally the same thing you disapprove of us doing. This is a Book of Mormon believing/secret combination/conservative focused forum. The LDS institute doesn't look the same as it used to. Following the Book of Mormon's warnings would make a softened heart feel differently and wary of the LDS institution, I'm not saying it would or should make any all not follow the LDS institute, but it's reasonable that some have stopped believing their claims of authority. You know what you'll get here, you disagree with it and you keep coming. How is that different from us watching and offering our commentary on conference?

The forum dropped the LDS from it's name? It's just the Freedom Forum now?

Sometimes the people who care most about something are those who can call it out for its problems. This place isn't labeled "Pro-LDS" in its title

There are tech savvy and truth-committed people who would make a Book of Mormon believing forum if it were necessary as a back up for good, critical analysis on scripture, society and Mormonism with a very pro Book of Mormon theme. If there were a need to move to such a forum, I suspect the same "Oh jeez guys, I guess you can leave the church but you can't leave it alone" would show up to such a forum and tell all of us how wrong we are. So this goes both ways. You want to tell Book of Mormon believers they need to stop talking about the LDS church just as bad as Book of Mormon believers want to offer commentary on that institution.