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Re: General Conference October 2022 - Rumors, Predictions, Live Thread, and Recap

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LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 12:52 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:42 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:28 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 9:32 am

The sky is falling is the same thing as the Lord saying all is not well in Zion and all those who claim it is are either deceived, or evil. (What's the word used? "Woe"?)

I don't really see this as a false choice. Either Babylon will be destroyed and everything joined with it... Or it won't, and we're all good.
Or there are problems in Zion, but all is not lost and God will be setting.things in order soon.

Which btw, is what the scriptures actually say about our present situation.
I agree that not all is lost. But the cleansing will not be pleasant for those who have changed the doctrines and ordinances of the Most High. Our present situation is an awful situation. Our leadership has been captured by the secret combinations. (They have indeed gotten above us). Anyone following a blind leader will surely fall into the ditch. The aftermath of the cleansing will leave our church unrecognizable to its present structure, customs, and order. Whoever that *real* prophet is, who is yet to come, will not be appreciated by our current leaders that's for sure.
You're entitled to your opinion, but the scriptures don't actually say any of this.


I'm fairly certain it's all there in the scriptures. We can break it down by sentence:



The cleansing will not be pleasant for those who have changed the doctrines and ordinances of the Most High.


Isaiah 24:5
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.




Our present situation is an awful situation. Our leadership has been captured by the secret combinations. (They have indeed gotten above us).


Ether 8

22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.


D&C 101

46 Now, the servants of the nobleman went and did as their lord commanded them, and planted the olive trees, and built a hedge round about, and set watchmen, and began to build a tower.

47 And while they were yet laying the foundation thereof, they began to say among themselves: And what need hath my lord of this tower?

48 And consulted for a long time, saying among themselves: What need hath my lord of this tower, seeing this is a time of peace?

49 Might not this money be given to the exchangers? For there is no need of these things.

50 And while they were at variance one with another they became very slothful, and they hearkened not unto the commandments of their lord.

51 And the enemy came by night, and broke down the hedge; and the servants of the nobleman arose and were affrighted, and fled; and the enemy destroyed their works, and broke down the olive trees.




Anyone following a blind leader will surely fall into the ditch.


Isaiah 28

1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:

4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

5 ¶ In that day shall the Lord of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.

7 ¶ But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.


Isaiah 56

8 The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

9 All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest.

10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

The aftermath of the cleaning will leave our church unrecognizable to its present structure, customs, and order. Whoever that *real* prophet is, who is yet to come, will not be appreciated by our current leaders that's for sure.

D&C 85

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by blot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;


D&C 64

38 For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion.

39 And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known.

40 And even the bishop, who is a judge, and his counselors, if they are not faithful in their stewardships shall be condemned, and others shall be planted in their stead.

41 For, behold, I say unto you that Zion shall flourish, and the glory of the Lord shall be upon her;

42 And she shall be an ensign unto the people, and there shall come unto her out of every nation under heaven.

43 And the day shall come when the nations of the earth shall atremble because of her, and shall fear because of her terrible ones. The Lord hath spoken it. Amen.

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Re: General Conference October 2022 - Rumors, Predictions, Live Thread, and Recap

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 8:34 pm
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 12:52 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:42 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:28 am

Or there are problems in Zion, but all is not lost and God will be setting.things in order soon.

Which btw, is what the scriptures actually say about our present situation.
I agree that not all is lost. But the cleansing will not be pleasant for those who have changed the doctrines and ordinances of the Most High. Our present situation is an awful situation. Our leadership has been captured by the secret combinations. (They have indeed gotten above us). Anyone following a blind leader will surely fall into the ditch. The aftermath of the cleansing will leave our church unrecognizable to its present structure, customs, and order. Whoever that *real* prophet is, who is yet to come, will not be appreciated by our current leaders that's for sure.
You're entitled to your opinion, but the scriptures don't actually say any of this.


I'm fairly certain it's all there in the scriptures. We can break it down by sentence:



The cleansing will not be pleasant for those who have changed the doctrines and ordinances of the Most High.


Isaiah 24:5
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.




Our present situation is an awful situation. Our leadership has been captured by the secret combinations. (They have indeed gotten above us).


Ether 8

22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.


D&C 101

46 Now, the servants of the nobleman went and did as their lord commanded them, and planted the olive trees, and built a hedge round about, and set watchmen, and began to build a tower.

47 And while they were yet laying the foundation thereof, they began to say among themselves: And what need hath my lord of this tower?

48 And consulted for a long time, saying among themselves: What need hath my lord of this tower, seeing this is a time of peace?

49 Might not this money be given to the exchangers? For there is no need of these things.

50 And while they were at variance one with another they became very slothful, and they hearkened not unto the commandments of their lord.

51 And the enemy came by night, and broke down the hedge; and the servants of the nobleman arose and were affrighted, and fled; and the enemy destroyed their works, and broke down the olive trees.




Anyone following a blind leader will surely fall into the ditch.


Isaiah 28

1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:

4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

5 ¶ In that day shall the Lord of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.

7 ¶ But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.


Isaiah 56

8 The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

9 All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest.

10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

The aftermath of the cleaning will leave our church unrecognizable to its present structure, customs, and order. Whoever that *real* prophet is, who is yet to come, will not be appreciated by our current leaders that's for sure.

D&C 85

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by blot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;


D&C 64

38 For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion.

39 And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known.

40 And even the bishop, who is a judge, and his counselors, if they are not faithful in their stewardships shall be condemned, and others shall be planted in their stead.

41 For, behold, I say unto you that Zion shall flourish, and the glory of the Lord shall be upon her;

42 And she shall be an ensign unto the people, and there shall come unto her out of every nation under heaven.

43 And the day shall come when the nations of the earth shall atremble because of her, and shall fear because of her terrible ones. The Lord hath spoken it. Amen.
You can interpret and apply those scriptures any way you want to, but not a single one you shared actually states what you are claiming.

Neither Ether nor D&C 101 say anything about the Latter-day leaders of Israel having joined and been overcome by the secret combinations. They don't even hint at this.

The verse in D&C 85 doesn't say anything about the church being completely unrecognizable after the setting in order happens. Nor doesn't say anything about what the One Mighty and Strong's view of the current leaders is. Neither does D&C 64.

Isaiah 24:5 doesn't say anything about what happens to the leaders who changed the ordinances and this scripture is quoted in D&C 1 as being applicable to the state of the world BEFORE the restoration in the 1830s and 1840s.

And Isaiah 28 and 54 don't say anything about those who sustain the leaders of the church and refuse to speak evil of them falling into a ditch.

You're making a whole lot of assumptions and then attacking the church and it's leaders based on those assumptions.

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Re: General Conference October 2022 - Rumors, Predictions, Live Thread, and Recap

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LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:13 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 8:34 pm
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 12:52 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:42 am

I agree that not all is lost. But the cleansing will not be pleasant for those who have changed the doctrines and ordinances of the Most High. Our present situation is an awful situation. Our leadership has been captured by the secret combinations. (They have indeed gotten above us). Anyone following a blind leader will surely fall into the ditch. The aftermath of the cleansing will leave our church unrecognizable to its present structure, customs, and order. Whoever that *real* prophet is, who is yet to come, will not be appreciated by our current leaders that's for sure.
You're entitled to your opinion, but the scriptures don't actually say any of this.


I'm fairly certain it's all there in the scriptures. We can break it down by sentence:



The cleansing will not be pleasant for those who have changed the doctrines and ordinances of the Most High.


Isaiah 24:5
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.




Our present situation is an awful situation. Our leadership has been captured by the secret combinations. (They have indeed gotten above us).


Ether 8

22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.


D&C 101

46 Now, the servants of the nobleman went and did as their lord commanded them, and planted the olive trees, and built a hedge round about, and set watchmen, and began to build a tower.

47 And while they were yet laying the foundation thereof, they began to say among themselves: And what need hath my lord of this tower?

48 And consulted for a long time, saying among themselves: What need hath my lord of this tower, seeing this is a time of peace?

49 Might not this money be given to the exchangers? For there is no need of these things.

50 And while they were at variance one with another they became very slothful, and they hearkened not unto the commandments of their lord.

51 And the enemy came by night, and broke down the hedge; and the servants of the nobleman arose and were affrighted, and fled; and the enemy destroyed their works, and broke down the olive trees.




Anyone following a blind leader will surely fall into the ditch.


Isaiah 28

1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:

4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

5 ¶ In that day shall the Lord of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.

7 ¶ But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.


Isaiah 56

8 The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

9 All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest.

10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

The aftermath of the cleaning will leave our church unrecognizable to its present structure, customs, and order. Whoever that *real* prophet is, who is yet to come, will not be appreciated by our current leaders that's for sure.

D&C 85

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by blot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;


D&C 64

38 For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion.

39 And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known.

40 And even the bishop, who is a judge, and his counselors, if they are not faithful in their stewardships shall be condemned, and others shall be planted in their stead.

41 For, behold, I say unto you that Zion shall flourish, and the glory of the Lord shall be upon her;

42 And she shall be an ensign unto the people, and there shall come unto her out of every nation under heaven.

43 And the day shall come when the nations of the earth shall atremble because of her, and shall fear because of her terrible ones. The Lord hath spoken it. Amen.
You can interpret and apply those scriptures any way you want to, but not a single one you shared actually states what you are claiming.

Neither Ether nor D&C 101 say anything about the Latter-day leaders of Israel having joined and been overcome by the secret combinations. They don't even hint at this.

The verse in D&C 85 doesn't say anything about the church being completely unrecognizable after the setting in order happens. Nor doesn't say anything about what the One Mighty and Strong's view of the current leaders is. Neither does D&C 64.

Isaiah 24:5 doesn't say anything about what happens to the leaders who changed the ordinances and this scripture is quoted in D&C 1 as being applicable to the state of the world BEFORE the restoration in the 1830s and 1840s.

And Isaiah 28 and 54 don't say anything about those who sustain the leaders of the church and refuse to speak evil of them falling into a ditch.

You're making a whole lot of assumptions and then attacking the church and it's leaders based on those assumptions.


What do you think of our church formally joining with the United Nations, Klaus Schwab, et al. in implementing Agenda 2030?

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Re: General Conference October 2022 - Rumors, Predictions, Live Thread, and Recap

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:18 pm
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:13 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 8:34 pm
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 12:52 pm

You're entitled to your opinion, but the scriptures don't actually say any of this.


I'm fairly certain it's all there in the scriptures. We can break it down by sentence:



The cleansing will not be pleasant for those who have changed the doctrines and ordinances of the Most High.


Isaiah 24:5
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.




Our present situation is an awful situation. Our leadership has been captured by the secret combinations. (They have indeed gotten above us).


Ether 8

22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.


D&C 101

46 Now, the servants of the nobleman went and did as their lord commanded them, and planted the olive trees, and built a hedge round about, and set watchmen, and began to build a tower.

47 And while they were yet laying the foundation thereof, they began to say among themselves: And what need hath my lord of this tower?

48 And consulted for a long time, saying among themselves: What need hath my lord of this tower, seeing this is a time of peace?

49 Might not this money be given to the exchangers? For there is no need of these things.

50 And while they were at variance one with another they became very slothful, and they hearkened not unto the commandments of their lord.

51 And the enemy came by night, and broke down the hedge; and the servants of the nobleman arose and were affrighted, and fled; and the enemy destroyed their works, and broke down the olive trees.




Anyone following a blind leader will surely fall into the ditch.


Isaiah 28

1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:

4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

5 ¶ In that day shall the Lord of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.

7 ¶ But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.


Isaiah 56

8 The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

9 All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest.

10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

The aftermath of the cleaning will leave our church unrecognizable to its present structure, customs, and order. Whoever that *real* prophet is, who is yet to come, will not be appreciated by our current leaders that's for sure.

D&C 85

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by blot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;


D&C 64

38 For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion.

39 And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known.

40 And even the bishop, who is a judge, and his counselors, if they are not faithful in their stewardships shall be condemned, and others shall be planted in their stead.

41 For, behold, I say unto you that Zion shall flourish, and the glory of the Lord shall be upon her;

42 And she shall be an ensign unto the people, and there shall come unto her out of every nation under heaven.

43 And the day shall come when the nations of the earth shall atremble because of her, and shall fear because of her terrible ones. The Lord hath spoken it. Amen.
You can interpret and apply those scriptures any way you want to, but not a single one you shared actually states what you are claiming.

Neither Ether nor D&C 101 say anything about the Latter-day leaders of Israel having joined and been overcome by the secret combinations. They don't even hint at this.

The verse in D&C 85 doesn't say anything about the church being completely unrecognizable after the setting in order happens. Nor doesn't say anything about what the One Mighty and Strong's view of the current leaders is. Neither does D&C 64.

Isaiah 24:5 doesn't say anything about what happens to the leaders who changed the ordinances and this scripture is quoted in D&C 1 as being applicable to the state of the world BEFORE the restoration in the 1830s and 1840s.

And Isaiah 28 and 54 don't say anything about those who sustain the leaders of the church and refuse to speak evil of them falling into a ditch.

You're making a whole lot of assumptions and then attacking the church and it's leaders based on those assumptions.


What do you think of our church formally joining with the United Nations, Klaus Schwab, et al. in implementing Agenda 2030?
I think the church is making friends with the mammon of unrighteousness so they won't be destroyed and being subject to those powers that be until he whose right it is to reign comes.

Additionally, the church is using the current Babylonian system to try and help the poor and the needy throughout the world.

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Re: General Conference October 2022 - Rumors, Predictions, Live Thread, and Recap

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LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:24 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:18 pm
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:13 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 8:34 pm



I'm fairly certain it's all there in the scriptures. We can break it down by sentence:



The cleansing will not be pleasant for those who have changed the doctrines and ordinances of the Most High.


Isaiah 24:5
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.




Our present situation is an awful situation. Our leadership has been captured by the secret combinations. (They have indeed gotten above us).


Ether 8

22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.


D&C 101

46 Now, the servants of the nobleman went and did as their lord commanded them, and planted the olive trees, and built a hedge round about, and set watchmen, and began to build a tower.

47 And while they were yet laying the foundation thereof, they began to say among themselves: And what need hath my lord of this tower?

48 And consulted for a long time, saying among themselves: What need hath my lord of this tower, seeing this is a time of peace?

49 Might not this money be given to the exchangers? For there is no need of these things.

50 And while they were at variance one with another they became very slothful, and they hearkened not unto the commandments of their lord.

51 And the enemy came by night, and broke down the hedge; and the servants of the nobleman arose and were affrighted, and fled; and the enemy destroyed their works, and broke down the olive trees.




Anyone following a blind leader will surely fall into the ditch.


Isaiah 28

1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:

4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

5 ¶ In that day shall the Lord of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.

7 ¶ But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.


Isaiah 56

8 The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

9 All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest.

10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

The aftermath of the cleaning will leave our church unrecognizable to its present structure, customs, and order. Whoever that *real* prophet is, who is yet to come, will not be appreciated by our current leaders that's for sure.

D&C 85

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by blot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;


D&C 64

38 For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion.

39 And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known.

40 And even the bishop, who is a judge, and his counselors, if they are not faithful in their stewardships shall be condemned, and others shall be planted in their stead.

41 For, behold, I say unto you that Zion shall flourish, and the glory of the Lord shall be upon her;

42 And she shall be an ensign unto the people, and there shall come unto her out of every nation under heaven.

43 And the day shall come when the nations of the earth shall atremble because of her, and shall fear because of her terrible ones. The Lord hath spoken it. Amen.
You can interpret and apply those scriptures any way you want to, but not a single one you shared actually states what you are claiming.

Neither Ether nor D&C 101 say anything about the Latter-day leaders of Israel having joined and been overcome by the secret combinations. They don't even hint at this.

The verse in D&C 85 doesn't say anything about the church being completely unrecognizable after the setting in order happens. Nor doesn't say anything about what the One Mighty and Strong's view of the current leaders is. Neither does D&C 64.

Isaiah 24:5 doesn't say anything about what happens to the leaders who changed the ordinances and this scripture is quoted in D&C 1 as being applicable to the state of the world BEFORE the restoration in the 1830s and 1840s.

And Isaiah 28 and 54 don't say anything about those who sustain the leaders of the church and refuse to speak evil of them falling into a ditch.

You're making a whole lot of assumptions and then attacking the church and it's leaders based on those assumptions.


What do you think of our church formally joining with the United Nations, Klaus Schwab, et al. in implementing Agenda 2030?
I think the church is making friends with the mammon of unrighteousness so they won't be destroyed and being subject to those powers that be until he whose right it is to reign comes.

Additionally, the church is using the current Babylonian system to try and help the poor and the needy throughout the world.
So joining with their evil is justified?

Mammon = money.


Mammon /ˈmæmən/ in the New Testament of the Bible is commonly thought to mean money, material wealth, or any entity that promises wealth, and is associated with the greedy pursuit of gain. The Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke both quote Jesus using the word in a phrase often rendered in English as "You cannot serve both God and mammon."

This scripture meant for the Early Latter Day Saints to use money to obtain the lands necessary for building of Literal Zion.


So when Jesus Christ says: "You cannot serve both God and mammon." ... is He lying? How is possible to join with satan's church and NOT serve them? These things are at odds with one another.



This was my response to someone else on this forum saying the exact thing you said:








These men have blood on their hands. How can you deny that? Perhaps you believe our church leaders are something like what the Qanon folks believe that Trump is. A master strategist who is secretly playing 6-D chess. Maybe you should call yourselves Q15Anon. Sacrificing pawns (members of the church dying via the clotshots) for the greater good. "'Tis a shame that those dumb members couldn't see us wink-winking at them when we told them to both follow us, AND not rely on us all in the same breath. It's their fault that they couldn't understand that we are secretly playing a long-con." Now THAT'S a baseless conspiracy theory!

Nah, man. Nah. :lol:


You'd have a point if there weren't already evidence that they are indeed gullible/blind/willing participants. From President Nelson's woke comments about gun control, to him and the rest of the Q15 going fully onboard satanic Agenda 2030, shows that they are not just "befriending mammon", but partaking in her spoils. We are already seeing the effects of Babylon infecting our church institutions. From KSL, to Deseret News. From BYU, to Ensign Peak Advisor's shady business dealings.

You know how I and everyone else knows that Elder Christofferson approves of Agenda 2030? The Q15 must give unanimous approval in their decisions. If he secretly is against it, but voted Yea anyways.... how is this not worse? This just means he is a coward for not standing firm for what he believes through the Spirit of God.


You also might have a point if these men actually had scriptural fruits of prophets. They have none of those fruits that the prophets in our scriptures had. I do see corrupt fruits though. What did Jesus Christ say about this? Is it possible for a good tree to bring forth corrupt fruit?


As as for your point about "befriending mammon":
It is not intended that in making friends of the “mammon of unrighteousness” that the brethren were to partake with them in their sins; to receive them to their bosoms, intermarry with them and… come down to their level. They were to so live that peace with their enemies might be assured. They were to treat them kindly, be friendly with them as far as correct and virtuous principles would permit, but never to swear with them or drink and carouse with them. If they could allay prejudice and show a willingness to trade with and show a kindly spirit, it might help to turn them away from their bitterness. Judgment was to be left with the Lord.
-Joseph Fielding Smith
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InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:32 pm
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:24 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:18 pm
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:13 pm

You can interpret and apply those scriptures any way you want to, but not a single one you shared actually states what you are claiming.

Neither Ether nor D&C 101 say anything about the Latter-day leaders of Israel having joined and been overcome by the secret combinations. They don't even hint at this.

The verse in D&C 85 doesn't say anything about the church being completely unrecognizable after the setting in order happens. Nor doesn't say anything about what the One Mighty and Strong's view of the current leaders is. Neither does D&C 64.

Isaiah 24:5 doesn't say anything about what happens to the leaders who changed the ordinances and this scripture is quoted in D&C 1 as being applicable to the state of the world BEFORE the restoration in the 1830s and 1840s.

And Isaiah 28 and 54 don't say anything about those who sustain the leaders of the church and refuse to speak evil of them falling into a ditch.

You're making a whole lot of assumptions and then attacking the church and it's leaders based on those assumptions.


What do you think of our church formally joining with the United Nations, Klaus Schwab, et al. in implementing Agenda 2030?
I think the church is making friends with the mammon of unrighteousness so they won't be destroyed and being subject to those powers that be until he whose right it is to reign comes.

Additionally, the church is using the current Babylonian system to try and help the poor and the needy throughout the world.
So joining with their evil is justified?

Mammom = money.


Mammon /ˈmæmən/ in the New Testament of the Bible is commonly thought to mean money, material wealth, or any entity that promises wealth, and is associated with the greedy pursuit of gain. The Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke both quote Jesus using the word in a phrase often rendered in English as "You cannot serve both God and mammon."

This scripture meant for the Early Latter Day Saints to use money to obtain the lands necessary for building of Literal Zion.


So when Jesus Christ says: "You cannot serve both God and mammon." ... is He lying? How is possible to join with satan's church and NOT serve them? These things are at odds with one another.



This was my response to someone else on this forum saying the exact thing you said:








These men have blood on their hands. How can you deny that? Perhaps you believe our church leaders are something like what the Qanon folks believe that Trump is. A master strategist who is secretly playing 6-D chess. Maybe you should call yourselves Q15Anon. Sacrificing pawns (members of the church dying via the clotshots) for the greater good. "'Tis a shame that those dumb members couldn't see us wink-winking at them when we told them to both follow us, AND not rely on us all in the same breath. It's their fault that they couldn't understand that we are secretly playing a long-con." Now THAT'S a baseless conspiracy theory!

Nah, man. Nah. :lol:


You'd have a point if there weren't already evidence that they are indeed gullible/blind/willing participants. From President Nelson's woke comments about gun control, to him and the rest of the Q15 going fully onboard satanic Agenda 2030, shows that they are not just "befriending mammon", but partaking in her spoils. We are already seeing the effects of Babylon infecting our church institutions. From KSL, to Deseret News. From BYU, to Ensign Peak Advisor's shady business dealings.

You know how I and everyone else knows that Elder Christofferson approves of Agenda 2030? The Q15 must give unanimous approval in their decisions. If he secretly is against it, but voted Yea anyways.... how is this not worse? This just means he is a coward for not standing firm for what he believes through the Spirit of God.


You also might have a point if these men actually had scriptural fruits of prophets. They have none of those fruits that the prophets in our scriptures had. I do see corrupt fruits though. What did Jesus Christ say about this? Is it possible for a good tree to bring forth corrupt fruit?


As as for your point about "befriending mammon":
It is not intended that in making friends of the “mammon of unrighteousness” that the brethren were to partake with them in their sins; to receive them to their bosoms, intermarry with them and… come down to their level. They were to so live that peace with their enemies might be assured. They were to treat them kindly, be friendly with them as far as correct and virtuous principles would permit, but never to swear with them or drink and carouse with them. If they could allay prejudice and show a willingness to trade with and show a kindly spirit, it might help to turn them away from their bitterness. Judgment was to be left with the Lord.
-Joseph Fielding Smith
You're free to believe whatever you want to. My point is that none of what you're claiming is actually stated in the scriptures. Which means that your constant accusations and attacks on the church and its leaders are largely based on your assumptions, not what is actually spelled out in scripture.

And on top of that many scriptures and statements by Joseph Smith are very problematic for your assumptions.

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:32 pm
So when Jesus Christ says: "You cannot serve both God and mammon." ... is He lying? How is possible to join with satan's church and NOT serve them? These things are at odds with one another
Not necessarily; but worthy of seeking scriptural understanding via the 3 Ps of prayer, pondering and participation by peculiar perplexing people. :mrgreen: dbnp

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LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:24 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:18 pm
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:13 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 8:34 pm



I'm fairly certain it's all there in the scriptures. We can break it down by sentence:



The cleansing will not be pleasant for those who have changed the doctrines and ordinances of the Most High.


Isaiah 24:5
5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.




Our present situation is an awful situation. Our leadership has been captured by the secret combinations. (They have indeed gotten above us).


Ether 8

22 And whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed; for the Lord will not suffer that the blood of his saints, which shall be shed by them, shall always cry unto him from the ground for vengeance upon them and yet he avenge them not.

23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.


D&C 101

46 Now, the servants of the nobleman went and did as their lord commanded them, and planted the olive trees, and built a hedge round about, and set watchmen, and began to build a tower.

47 And while they were yet laying the foundation thereof, they began to say among themselves: And what need hath my lord of this tower?

48 And consulted for a long time, saying among themselves: What need hath my lord of this tower, seeing this is a time of peace?

49 Might not this money be given to the exchangers? For there is no need of these things.

50 And while they were at variance one with another they became very slothful, and they hearkened not unto the commandments of their lord.

51 And the enemy came by night, and broke down the hedge; and the servants of the nobleman arose and were affrighted, and fled; and the enemy destroyed their works, and broke down the olive trees.




Anyone following a blind leader will surely fall into the ditch.


Isaiah 28

1 Woe to the crown of pride, to the drunkards of Ephraim, whose glorious beauty is a fading flower, which are on the head of the fat valleys of them that are overcome with wine!

2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

3 The crown of pride, the drunkards of Ephraim, shall be trodden under feet:

4 And the glorious beauty, which is on the head of the fat valley, shall be a fading flower, and as the hasty fruit before the summer; which when he that looketh upon it seeth, while it is yet in his hand he eateth it up.

5 ¶ In that day shall the Lord of hosts be for a crown of glory, and for a diadem of beauty, unto the residue of his people,

6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment, and for strength to them that turn the battle to the gate.

7 ¶ But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.


Isaiah 56

8 The Lord God which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

9 All ye beasts of the field, come to devour, yea, all ye beasts in the forest.

10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.

11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

The aftermath of the cleaning will leave our church unrecognizable to its present structure, customs, and order. Whoever that *real* prophet is, who is yet to come, will not be appreciated by our current leaders that's for sure.

D&C 85

7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by blot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God;


D&C 64

38 For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion.

39 And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known.

40 And even the bishop, who is a judge, and his counselors, if they are not faithful in their stewardships shall be condemned, and others shall be planted in their stead.

41 For, behold, I say unto you that Zion shall flourish, and the glory of the Lord shall be upon her;

42 And she shall be an ensign unto the people, and there shall come unto her out of every nation under heaven.

43 And the day shall come when the nations of the earth shall atremble because of her, and shall fear because of her terrible ones. The Lord hath spoken it. Amen.
You can interpret and apply those scriptures any way you want to, but not a single one you shared actually states what you are claiming.

Neither Ether nor D&C 101 say anything about the Latter-day leaders of Israel having joined and been overcome by the secret combinations. They don't even hint at this.

The verse in D&C 85 doesn't say anything about the church being completely unrecognizable after the setting in order happens. Nor doesn't say anything about what the One Mighty and Strong's view of the current leaders is. Neither does D&C 64.

Isaiah 24:5 doesn't say anything about what happens to the leaders who changed the ordinances and this scripture is quoted in D&C 1 as being applicable to the state of the world BEFORE the restoration in the 1830s and 1840s.

And Isaiah 28 and 54 don't say anything about those who sustain the leaders of the church and refuse to speak evil of them falling into a ditch.

You're making a whole lot of assumptions and then attacking the church and it's leaders based on those assumptions.


What do you think of our church formally joining with the United Nations, Klaus Schwab, et al. in implementing Agenda 2030?
I think the church is making friends with the mammon of unrighteousness so they won't be destroyed and being subject to those powers that be until he whose right it is to reign comes.

Additionally, the church is using the current Babylonian system to try and help the poor and the needy throughout the world.
Gee Whiz, I wonder why Moroni never thought of doing this with the Gadianton Robbers??

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LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:24 pm
Additionally, the church is using the current Babylonian system to try and help the poor and the needy throughout the world.
Sorry, I couldn't help but snicker when you said that. Read the BoM again if you'd like a pattern of how to care for the poor and how the ancient prophets condemned the latter-day churches for grinding upon the face of the poor, including your very own LDS org corp.

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anonymous91 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 4:53 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:24 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:18 pm
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:13 pm

You can interpret and apply those scriptures any way you want to, but not a single one you shared actually states what you are claiming.

Neither Ether nor D&C 101 say anything about the Latter-day leaders of Israel having joined and been overcome by the secret combinations. They don't even hint at this.

The verse in D&C 85 doesn't say anything about the church being completely unrecognizable after the setting in order happens. Nor doesn't say anything about what the One Mighty and Strong's view of the current leaders is. Neither does D&C 64.

Isaiah 24:5 doesn't say anything about what happens to the leaders who changed the ordinances and this scripture is quoted in D&C 1 as being applicable to the state of the world BEFORE the restoration in the 1830s and 1840s.

And Isaiah 28 and 54 don't say anything about those who sustain the leaders of the church and refuse to speak evil of them falling into a ditch.

You're making a whole lot of assumptions and then attacking the church and it's leaders based on those assumptions.


What do you think of our church formally joining with the United Nations, Klaus Schwab, et al. in implementing Agenda 2030?
I think the church is making friends with the mammon of unrighteousness so they won't be destroyed and being subject to those powers that be until he whose right it is to reign comes.

Additionally, the church is using the current Babylonian system to try and help the poor and the needy throughout the world.
Gee Whiz, I wonder why Moroni never thought of doing this with the Gadianton Robbers??
Completely different situation.

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LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:55 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:32 pm
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:24 pm
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:18 pm



What do you think of our church formally joining with the United Nations, Klaus Schwab, et al. in implementing Agenda 2030?
I think the church is making friends with the mammon of unrighteousness so they won't be destroyed and being subject to those powers that be until he whose right it is to reign comes.

Additionally, the church is using the current Babylonian system to try and help the poor and the needy throughout the world.
So joining with their evil is justified?

Mammom = money.


Mammon /ˈmæmən/ in the New Testament of the Bible is commonly thought to mean money, material wealth, or any entity that promises wealth, and is associated with the greedy pursuit of gain. The Gospel of Matthew and the Gospel of Luke both quote Jesus using the word in a phrase often rendered in English as "You cannot serve both God and mammon."

This scripture meant for the Early Latter Day Saints to use money to obtain the lands necessary for building of Literal Zion.


So when Jesus Christ says: "You cannot serve both God and mammon." ... is He lying? How is possible to join with satan's church and NOT serve them? These things are at odds with one another.



This was my response to someone else on this forum saying the exact thing you said:








These men have blood on their hands. How can you deny that? Perhaps you believe our church leaders are something like what the Qanon folks believe that Trump is. A master strategist who is secretly playing 6-D chess. Maybe you should call yourselves Q15Anon. Sacrificing pawns (members of the church dying via the clotshots) for the greater good. "'Tis a shame that those dumb members couldn't see us wink-winking at them when we told them to both follow us, AND not rely on us all in the same breath. It's their fault that they couldn't understand that we are secretly playing a long-con." Now THAT'S a baseless conspiracy theory!

Nah, man. Nah. :lol:


You'd have a point if there weren't already evidence that they are indeed gullible/blind/willing participants. From President Nelson's woke comments about gun control, to him and the rest of the Q15 going fully onboard satanic Agenda 2030, shows that they are not just "befriending mammon", but partaking in her spoils. We are already seeing the effects of Babylon infecting our church institutions. From KSL, to Deseret News. From BYU, to Ensign Peak Advisor's shady business dealings.

You know how I and everyone else knows that Elder Christofferson approves of Agenda 2030? The Q15 must give unanimous approval in their decisions. If he secretly is against it, but voted Yea anyways.... how is this not worse? This just means he is a coward for not standing firm for what he believes through the Spirit of God.


You also might have a point if these men actually had scriptural fruits of prophets. They have none of those fruits that the prophets in our scriptures had. I do see corrupt fruits though. What did Jesus Christ say about this? Is it possible for a good tree to bring forth corrupt fruit?


As as for your point about "befriending mammon":
It is not intended that in making friends of the “mammon of unrighteousness” that the brethren were to partake with them in their sins; to receive them to their bosoms, intermarry with them and… come down to their level. They were to so live that peace with their enemies might be assured. They were to treat them kindly, be friendly with them as far as correct and virtuous principles would permit, but never to swear with them or drink and carouse with them. If they could allay prejudice and show a willingness to trade with and show a kindly spirit, it might help to turn them away from their bitterness. Judgment was to be left with the Lord.
-Joseph Fielding Smith
You're free to believe whatever you want to. My point is that none of what you're claiming is actually stated in the scriptures. Which means that your constant accusations and attacks on the church and its leaders are largely based on your assumptions, not what is actually spelled out in scripture.

And on top of that many scriptures and statements by Joseph Smith are very problematic for your assumptions.
The scriptures actually do speak of our church leaders doing exactly what they're doing now. You just refuse to see it because in your mind, you have already decided that the prophet can never lead the church astray and can never be deceived. The Lord in the parable of the redemption of Zion in D&C 101 told us it would happen, and it has. Isaiah was speaking about the church of God in our day. Moroni was speaking to the LDS church in Ether and in Mormon 8.


It makes no sense that president Nelson, through the Lord, would lie to us so that we would think the shots were safe and many die. You think that this makes sense???????

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 6:39 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:24 pm
Additionally, the church is using the current Babylonian system to try and help the poor and the needy throughout the world.
Sorry, I couldn't help but snicker when you said that. Read the BoM again if you'd like a pattern of how to care for the poor and how the ancient prophets condemned the latter-day churches for grinding upon the face of the poor, including your very own LDS org corp.
So according to you working with governments and organizations to provide food, water, shelter, etc., to the poor and the needy throughout the world is "grinding the faces of te poor."

Wow. Tell us again why we should listen to any of your interpretations?

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LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:21 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 6:39 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:24 pm
Additionally, the church is using the current Babylonian system to try and help the poor and the needy throughout the world.
Sorry, I couldn't help but snicker when you said that. Read the BoM again if you'd like a pattern of how to care for the poor and how the ancient prophets condemned the latter-day churches for grinding upon the face of the poor, including your very own LDS org corp.
So according to you working with governments and organizations to provide food, water, shelter, etc., to the poor and the needy throughout the world is "grinding the faces of te poor."

Wow. Tell us again why we should listen to any of your interpretations?
This is how they are deceived by Satan. They can't see him when he is right in front of them. They could do all of this without them. But now they are convinced that Agenda 2030 is of God.

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LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:21 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 6:39 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:24 pm
Additionally, the church is using the current Babylonian system to try and help the poor and the needy throughout the world.
Sorry, I couldn't help but snicker when you said that. Read the BoM again if you'd like a pattern of how to care for the poor and how the ancient prophets condemned the latter-day churches for grinding upon the face of the poor, including your very own LDS org corp.
So according to you working with governments and organizations to provide food, water, shelter, etc., to the poor and the needy throughout the world is "grinding the faces of te poor."

Wow. Tell us again why we should listen to any of your interpretations?
I’ve never told you to listen to anything I say. I’d downright reject my opinions if I were you. Sure, the church does a few little things here and there to appease the Mormon Conscience. We’ve gone the rounds on this before, but the church has done so much spiritual and physical damage to the saints by requiring the saints to pay an incorrect tithe for their salvation so they can stay on the “covenant path.”

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:17 am
The scriptures actually do speak of our church leaders doing exactly what they're doing now. You just refuse to see it because in your mind, you have already decided that the prophet can never lead the church astray and can never be deceived. The Lord in the parable of the redemption of Zion in D&C 101 told us it would happen, and it has. Isaiah was speaking about the church of God in our day. Moroni was speaking to the LDS church in Ether and in Mormon 8.
It's not a matter of me refusing to see anything. I'm fully aware that the brethren can and do make mistakes. My trust is in God, not in them.

I don't believe any of the scriptures you cited say what you’re claiming. If you think I'm wrong, please show me exactly where in these passages it says what you're claiming.
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:17 am It makes no sense that president Nelson, through the Lord, would lie to us so that we would think the shots were safe and many die. You think that this makes sense???????
President Nelson never said that God commanded us to take the shots and that God said they were safe and effective. Though, admittedly many people viewed it this way with the official First Presidency Letter.

I wish he wouldn't have done that. I personally believe this was a mistake. But it doesn't matter what I think. It only matters what God thinks. The reality is that out of the people who were vaccinated, only a very small percentage suffered serious side effects, let alone died.

Assuming it was a mistake, but President Nelson had good intentions, then I trust that God will have mercy on him and judge him according to the desires of his heart.

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:27 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:21 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 6:39 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:24 pm
Additionally, the church is using the current Babylonian system to try and help the poor and the needy throughout the world.
Sorry, I couldn't help but snicker when you said that. Read the BoM again if you'd like a pattern of how to care for the poor and how the ancient prophets condemned the latter-day churches for grinding upon the face of the poor, including your very own LDS org corp.
So according to you working with governments and organizations to provide food, water, shelter, etc., to the poor and the needy throughout the world is "grinding the faces of te poor."

Wow. Tell us again why we should listen to any of your interpretations?
This is how they are deceived by Satan. They can't see him when he is right in front of them. They could do all of this without them. But now they are convinced that Agenda 2030 is of God.
You're assuming things again.

No, they couldn't "do all of this" without working with governments and other relief agencies.

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LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:48 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:17 am
The scriptures actually do speak of our church leaders doing exactly what they're doing now. You just refuse to see it because in your mind, you have already decided that the prophet can never lead the church astray and can never be deceived. The Lord in the parable of the redemption of Zion in D&C 101 told us it would happen, and it has. Isaiah was speaking about the church of God in our day. Moroni was speaking to the LDS church in Ether and in Mormon 8.
It's not a matter of me refusing to see anything. I'm fully aware that the brethren can and do make mistakes. My trust is in God, not in them.

I don't believe any of the scriptures you cited say what you’re claiming. If you think I'm wrong, please show me exactly where in these passages it says what you're claiming.
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:17 am It makes no sense that president Nelson, through the Lord, would lie to us so that we would think the shots were safe and many die. You think that this makes sense???????
President Nelson never said that God commanded us to take the shots and that God said they were safe and effective. Though, admittedly many people viewed it this way with the official First Presidency Letter.

I wish he wouldn't have done that. I personally believe this was a mistake. But it doesn't matter what I think. It only matters what God thinks. The reality is that out of the people who were vaccinated, only a very small percentage suffered serious side effects, let alone died.

Assuming it was a mistake, but President Nelson had good intentions, then I trust that God will have mercy on him and judge him according to the desires of his heart.
This isn't a "tee-hee! Whoopsie Daisy!" moment.

Joining the United Nations to implement Agenda 2030 (Satan's plan) isn't a little "oopsies!" either.

At least you admit that these men aren't infallible and could lead the church astray.

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Reluctant Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:28 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:21 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 6:39 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 10:24 pm
Additionally, the church is using the current Babylonian system to try and help the poor and the needy throughout the world.
Sorry, I couldn't help but snicker when you said that. Read the BoM again if you'd like a pattern of how to care for the poor and how the ancient prophets condemned the latter-day churches for grinding upon the face of the poor, including your very own LDS org corp.
So according to you working with governments and organizations to provide food, water, shelter, etc., to the poor and the needy throughout the world is "grinding the faces of te poor."

Wow. Tell us again why we should listen to any of your interpretations?
I’ve never told you to listen to anything I say. I’d downright reject my opinions if I were you. Sure, the church does a few little things here and there to appease the Mormon Conscience. We’ve gone the rounds on this before, but the church has done so much spiritual and physical damage to the saints by requiring the saints to pay an incorrect tithe for their salvation so they can stay on the “covenant path.”
So spending a billion dollars last year to help the poor and the needy around the world in addition to all that is done at the local level is a "little thing?"

Surely you can't be serious?

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:55 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:48 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:17 am
The scriptures actually do speak of our church leaders doing exactly what they're doing now. You just refuse to see it because in your mind, you have already decided that the prophet can never lead the church astray and can never be deceived. The Lord in the parable of the redemption of Zion in D&C 101 told us it would happen, and it has. Isaiah was speaking about the church of God in our day. Moroni was speaking to the LDS church in Ether and in Mormon 8.
It's not a matter of me refusing to see anything. I'm fully aware that the brethren can and do make mistakes. My trust is in God, not in them.

I don't believe any of the scriptures you cited say what you’re claiming. If you think I'm wrong, please show me exactly where in these passages it says what you're claiming.
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:17 am It makes no sense that president Nelson, through the Lord, would lie to us so that we would think the shots were safe and many die. You think that this makes sense???????
President Nelson never said that God commanded us to take the shots and that God said they were safe and effective. Though, admittedly many people viewed it this way with the official First Presidency Letter.

I wish he wouldn't have done that. I personally believe this was a mistake. But it doesn't matter what I think. It only matters what God thinks. The reality is that out of the people who were vaccinated, only a very small percentage suffered serious side effects, let alone died.

Assuming it was a mistake, but President Nelson had good intentions, then I trust that God will have mercy on him and judge him according to the desires of his heart.
This isn't a "tee-hee! Whoopsie Daisy!" moment.

Joining the United Nations to implement Agenda 2030 (Satan's plan) isn't a little "oopsies!" either.

At least you admit that these men aren't infallible and could lead the church astray.
So are you going to show me where the scriptures say what you're claiming or are you just going to keep shouting Agenda 2030 over and over again?

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LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 8:04 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:55 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:48 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:17 am
The scriptures actually do speak of our church leaders doing exactly what they're doing now. You just refuse to see it because in your mind, you have already decided that the prophet can never lead the church astray and can never be deceived. The Lord in the parable of the redemption of Zion in D&C 101 told us it would happen, and it has. Isaiah was speaking about the church of God in our day. Moroni was speaking to the LDS church in Ether and in Mormon 8.
It's not a matter of me refusing to see anything. I'm fully aware that the brethren can and do make mistakes. My trust is in God, not in them.

I don't believe any of the scriptures you cited say what you’re claiming. If you think I'm wrong, please show me exactly where in these passages it says what you're claiming.
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:17 am It makes no sense that president Nelson, through the Lord, would lie to us so that we would think the shots were safe and many die. You think that this makes sense???????
President Nelson never said that God commanded us to take the shots and that God said they were safe and effective. Though, admittedly many people viewed it this way with the official First Presidency Letter.

I wish he wouldn't have done that. I personally believe this was a mistake. But it doesn't matter what I think. It only matters what God thinks. The reality is that out of the people who were vaccinated, only a very small percentage suffered serious side effects, let alone died.

Assuming it was a mistake, but President Nelson had good intentions, then I trust that God will have mercy on him and judge him according to the desires of his heart.
This isn't a "tee-hee! Whoopsie Daisy!" moment.

Joining the United Nations to implement Agenda 2030 (Satan's plan) isn't a little "oopsies!" either.

At least you admit that these men aren't infallible and could lead the church astray.
So you going to show me where the scriptures say what you're claiming or are just going to keep shouting Agenda 2030 over and over again?
I've posted the scriptures and they speak for themselves. You just can't comprehend them because you have already made up your mind that the Lord is commanding all of it and there must not be an alternate explanation.

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 8:07 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 8:04 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:55 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:48 am

It's not a matter of me refusing to see anything. I'm fully aware that the brethren can and do make mistakes. My trust is in God, not in them.

I don't believe any of the scriptures you cited say what you’re claiming. If you think I'm wrong, please show me exactly where in these passages it says what you're claiming.



President Nelson never said that God commanded us to take the shots and that God said they were safe and effective. Though, admittedly many people viewed it this way with the official First Presidency Letter.

I wish he wouldn't have done that. I personally believe this was a mistake. But it doesn't matter what I think. It only matters what God thinks. The reality is that out of the people who were vaccinated, only a very small percentage suffered serious side effects, let alone died.

Assuming it was a mistake, but President Nelson had good intentions, then I trust that God will have mercy on him and judge him according to the desires of his heart.
This isn't a "tee-hee! Whoopsie Daisy!" moment.

Joining the United Nations to implement Agenda 2030 (Satan's plan) isn't a little "oopsies!" either.

At least you admit that these men aren't infallible and could lead the church astray.
So you going to show me where the scriptures say what you're claiming or are just going to keep shouting Agenda 2030 over and over again?
I've posted the scriptures and they speak for themselves. You just can't comprehend them because you have already made up your mind that the Lord is commanding all of it and there must not be an alternate explanation.
In other words you aren't able to show me where the scriptures actually say what you’re claiming. Hear you loud and clear.

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LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 8:15 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 8:07 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 8:04 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:55 am

This isn't a "tee-hee! Whoopsie Daisy!" moment.

Joining the United Nations to implement Agenda 2030 (Satan's plan) isn't a little "oopsies!" either.

At least you admit that these men aren't infallible and could lead the church astray.
So you going to show me where the scriptures say what you're claiming or are just going to keep shouting Agenda 2030 over and over again?
I've posted the scriptures and they speak for themselves. You just can't comprehend them because you have already made up your mind that the Lord is commanding all of it and there must not be an alternate explanation.
In other words you aren't able to show me where the scriptures actually say what you’re claiming. Hear you loud and clear.
I already posted the scriptures previously. Your only response to them was "Nuh-uh!!!!! nOoOoO that's not what they say!!!!"

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 8:17 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 8:15 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: October 4th, 2022, 8:07 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 8:04 am

So you going to show me where the scriptures say what you're claiming or are just going to keep shouting Agenda 2030 over and over again?
I've posted the scriptures and they speak for themselves. You just can't comprehend them because you have already made up your mind that the Lord is commanding all of it and there must not be an alternate explanation.
In other words you aren't able to show me where the scriptures actually say what you’re claiming. Hear you loud and clear.
I already posted the scriptures previously. Your only response to them was "Nuh-uh!!!!! nOoOoO that's not what they say!!!!"
If those scriptures actually say what you’re claiming it would be easy to break them down and show me where they say what you're claiming. But you refuse to do that, even though I keep asking you to.

Instead you keeping insulting me and jumping up and down shouting "Agenda 2030, Agenda 2030!"

This speaks volumes.

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LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 8:00 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:28 am
LDS Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 7:21 am
Reluctant Watchman wrote: October 4th, 2022, 6:39 am
Sorry, I couldn't help but snicker when you said that. Read the BoM again if you'd like a pattern of how to care for the poor and how the ancient prophets condemned the latter-day churches for grinding upon the face of the poor, including your very own LDS org corp.
So according to you working with governments and organizations to provide food, water, shelter, etc., to the poor and the needy throughout the world is "grinding the faces of te poor."

Wow. Tell us again why we should listen to any of your interpretations?
I’ve never told you to listen to anything I say. I’d downright reject my opinions if I were you. Sure, the church does a few little things here and there to appease the Mormon Conscience. We’ve gone the rounds on this before, but the church has done so much spiritual and physical damage to the saints by requiring the saints to pay an incorrect tithe for their salvation so they can stay on the “covenant path.”
So spending a billion dollars last year to help the poor and the needy around the world in addition to all that is done at the local level is a "little thing?"

Surely you can't be serious?
If I remember correctly, that almost billion INCLUDES fast offerings and they are the biggest chunk and that stays within the congregation. We don't give much outside the Church. Individuals do, but the Church doesn't.

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Subcomandante wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 4:54 pm
Reluctant Watchman wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 4:48 pm
Subcomandante wrote: October 3rd, 2022, 4:47 pm
People have to learn how to discern the revelations that they receive. It is clear that many here are deceived.
Ah, so not only are we revelation deficient, we are deceived. I'll remember to add that to my mental notes.
There are things known today that were not known in Joseph Smith's time. That's a natural progression through time, much as there were things that were known by Joseph that Abraham did not know.
Oh, you mean like having a gay woman address the BYU Women's Conference about her sexuality, after being introduced by the top Women's leader in the Church? Yep, I'm pretty certain Joseph didn't know that was the "natural progression" God wanted for the restored Church.
I don't think Joseph had any idea that the progression would involve missionaries focused on their sexuality and letting everyone know the nitty gritties of their proclivities, while their imprisoned companions are purposely subjected to unknown horrors in private.

You are a cheerleader of perversions. These are part of the Church now.

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