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[spiritMan]

You still haven't directly address what I'm talking about.

It doesn't matter what they say about marriage if our youth are self-identifying as queer, LGBTQ and believe as long as they don't have homosexual sex, they are "worthy in every way".

Which commandment is such a person breaking? If someone self-identifies as an alcoholic, but doesn't drink, is he unworthy of a calling or service?

That's exactly right. I should wear slogans showing my support for alcoholics, how they are born that way, there is nothing that should be done and that desiring to get drunk is not a sin.

Can I start wearing pictures of the Playboy bunny at Church now to show how much I love and support porn stars?

Again, which commandment are they breaking specifically in your view?

Okay, sure. Let's do this.

A man should be able to get up on the stand and tell everyone that he is sexually attracted to the woman in the front stand . . .but don't worry he doesn't "act on it".

Right?

What commandment specifically is that person breaking?

[spiritMan]

You still haven't directly address what I'm talking about.

It doesn't matter what they say about marriage if our youth are self-identifying as queer, LGBTQ and believe as long as they don't have homosexual sex, they are "worthy in every way".

Which commandment is such a person breaking? If someone self-identifies as an alcoholic, but doesn't drink, is he unworthy of a calling or service?

That's exactly right. I should wear slogans showing my support for alcoholics, how they are born that way, there is nothing that should be done and that desiring to get drunk is not a sin.

Can I start wearing pictures of the Playboy bunny at Church now to show how much I love and support porn stars?

Again, which commandment are they breaking specifically in your view?

Yes, you tell me.

What commandment is a man breaking when he tells you he is sexually attracted to a woman in the ward not his wife?

What commandment is a man breaking when he tells you he wants to have sex with animals?
Don't worry, he does NOT in ANY way shape or form act on it.

What commandment is he breaking?

[Artaxerxes]

Ever since the Proclamation, they've been totally clear on the eternal nature of gender.

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You still haven't directly address what I'm talking about.

It doesn't matter what they say about marriage if our youth are self-identifying as queer, LGBTQ and believe as long as they don't have homosexual sex, they are "worthy in every way".

Which commandment is such a person breaking? If someone self-identifies as an alcoholic, but doesn't drink, is he unworthy of a calling or service?

I never knew that the purpose of the Church is so that anyone can stand up proclaim to the congregation their most depraved desires and then say: "God made me that way, as long as I don't act on it-I'm good!"

Can I now tell everyone how much I really, really have an innate desire to have sex with animals?

Again, which commandment would that person be breaking? You're worrying so much about people doing this thing. Surely you can cite which commandment they're breaking.

[Artaxerxes]

Which commandment is such a person breaking? If someone self-identifies as an alcoholic, but doesn't drink, is he unworthy of a calling or service?

That's exactly right. I should wear slogans showing my support for alcoholics, how they are born that way, there is nothing that should be done and that desiring to get drunk is not a sin.

Can I start wearing pictures of the Playboy bunny at Church now to show how much I love and support porn stars?

Again, which commandment are they breaking specifically in your view?

Yes, you tell me.

What commandment is a man breaking when he tells you he is sexually attracted to a woman in the ward not his wife?

What commandment is a man breaking when he tells you he wants to have sex with animals?
Don't worry, he does NOT in ANY way shape or form act on it.

What commandment is he breaking?

I don't concern myself with those things. You're the one obsessing with these things. So which commandment?

[spiritMan]

You still haven't directly address what I'm talking about.

It doesn't matter what they say about marriage if our youth are self-identifying as queer, LGBTQ and believe as long as they don't have homosexual sex, they are "worthy in every way".

Which commandment is such a person breaking? If someone self-identifies as an alcoholic, but doesn't drink, is he unworthy of a calling or service?

I never knew that the purpose of the Church is so that anyone can stand up proclaim to the congregation their most depraved desires and then say: "God made me that way, as long as I don't act on it-I'm good!"

Can I now tell everyone how much I really, really have an innate desire to have sex with animals?

Again, which commandment would that person be breaking? You're worrying so much about people doing this thing. Surely you can cite which commandment they're breaking.

You tell me. Clearly you think it's not a sin. Okay.

Fine. Just make sure you play by those rules . . .otherwise you are a hypocrite.

[Artaxerxes]

Which commandment is such a person breaking? If someone self-identifies as an alcoholic, but doesn't drink, is he unworthy of a calling or service?

I never knew that the purpose of the Church is so that anyone can stand up proclaim to the congregation their most depraved desires and then say: "God made me that way, as long as I don't act on it-I'm good!"

Can I now tell everyone how much I really, really have an innate desire to have sex with animals?

Again, which commandment would that person be breaking? You're worrying so much about people doing this thing. Surely you can cite which commandment they're breaking.

You tell me. Clearly you think it's not a sin. Okay.

Fine. Just make sure you play by those rules . . .otherwise you are a hypocrite.

So you can't think of one. Got it.

[spiritMan]

That's exactly right. I should wear slogans showing my support for alcoholics, how they are born that way, there is nothing that should be done and that desiring to get drunk is not a sin.

Can I start wearing pictures of the Playboy bunny at Church now to show how much I love and support porn stars?

Again, which commandment are they breaking specifically in your view?

Yes, you tell me.

What commandment is a man breaking when he tells you he is sexually attracted to a woman in the ward not his wife?

What commandment is a man breaking when he tells you he wants to have sex with animals?
Don't worry, he does NOT in ANY way shape or form act on it.

What commandment is he breaking?

I don't concern myself with those things. You're the one obsessing with these things. So which commandment?

Hmm . . .that's interesting.

So you wouldn't care at all if a man directly comes up to you and tells you that he desires to have sex with children, openly tells the whole world.

It doesn't concern you at all. Okay.

[Artaxerxes]

Again, which commandment are they breaking specifically in your view?

Yes, you tell me.

What commandment is a man breaking when he tells you he is sexually attracted to a woman in the ward not his wife?

What commandment is a man breaking when he tells you he wants to have sex with animals?
Don't worry, he does NOT in ANY way shape or form act on it.

What commandment is he breaking?

I don't concern myself with those things. You're the one obsessing with these things. So which commandment?

Hmm . . .that's interesting.

So you wouldn't care at all if a man directly comes up to you and tells you that he desires to have sex with children, openly tells the whole world.

It doesn't concern you at all. Okay.

Still can't cite one, I see.

[spiritMan]

I never knew that the purpose of the Church is so that anyone can stand up proclaim to the congregation their most depraved desires and then say: "God made me that way, as long as I don't act on it-I'm good!"

Can I now tell everyone how much I really, really have an innate desire to have sex with animals?

Again, which commandment would that person be breaking? You're worrying so much about people doing this thing. Surely you can cite which commandment they're breaking.

You tell me. Clearly you think it's not a sin. Okay.

Fine. Just make sure you play by those rules . . .otherwise you are a hypocrite.

So you can't think of one. Got it.

I can think of plenty.

But you don't care. I could rattle off multiple scriptures. But you don't care.

Cast not your pearls before swine.

[Artaxerxes]

Again, which commandment would that person be breaking? You're worrying so much about people doing this thing. Surely you can cite which commandment they're breaking.

You tell me. Clearly you think it's not a sin. Okay.

Fine. Just make sure you play by those rules . . .otherwise you are a hypocrite.

So you can't think of one. Got it.

I can think of plenty.

But you don't care. I could rattle off multiple scriptures. But you don't care.

Cast not your pearls before swine.

Whole lot of posts to avoid citing these simple scriptures that would prove your point so well...

[spiritMan]

Yes, you tell me.

What commandment is a man breaking when he tells you he is sexually attracted to a woman in the ward not his wife?

What commandment is a man breaking when he tells you he wants to have sex with animals?
Don't worry, he does NOT in ANY way shape or form act on it.

What commandment is he breaking?

I don't concern myself with those things. You're the one obsessing with these things. So which commandment?

Hmm . . .that's interesting.

So you wouldn't care at all if a man directly comes up to you and tells you that he desires to have sex with children, openly tells the whole world.

It doesn't concern you at all. Okay.

Still can't cite one, I see.

What you sow you will reap.

You are so attached to either a man or an ideology that you simply have no understanding for the utter hell you are advocating for.

You will one day see what it reaps. Not my problem.

There are plenty of scriptures that talk about our desires and our broadcasting of them. You just have no scriptural knowledge so it doesn't matter to you.

All that matter is "Follow the Prophet!!!"

[spiritMan]

You tell me. Clearly you think it's not a sin. Okay.

Fine. Just make sure you play by those rules . . .otherwise you are a hypocrite.

So you can't think of one. Got it.

I can think of plenty.

But you don't care. I could rattle off multiple scriptures. But you don't care.

Cast not your pearls before swine.

Whole lot of posts to avoid citing these simple scriptures that would prove your point so well...

I don't cast pearls before swine.

[Lineman1012]

There is a lot of talk about "sin", but with the confusion today I think sin needs to be called out and clearly defined. I remember when President Hinckley spoke about raves in General Conference and went into great detail, even discussing that those who attended raves often chewed on pacifiers because extacy often makes a person grit their teeth and signs to watch for if someone was caught up in it. To not discuss LGBT ideology being pushed/propagandized onto young children either shows it's an uncomfortable subject not to be discussed or clearly spoken of, they think it will be too challenging to the membership, or they don't think it is a problem.

Is there another way to read this? I know a number of confused people in the church that fully believe and joyfully discuss openly LGBT marriage and it's being accepted in the church as only a matter of time. They never seem to be corrected and therefore many accept this idea. I once spoke up about the proclamation on the family in a church meeting when this "idea" was brought up and was told the discussion was getting to contentious and they moved on. If sin is spoken of in vague terms, you are bound to get confusion/bad results. At least, that's my view on it.

They talk about it all the time. You're remembering one single talk about ecstasy. Pres. Oaks preached against gay marriage last conference. It's in the manuals, the website. It's everywhere.

Then why are so many members so confused on the issue? Can you point me to a SINGLE talk where gender confusion ideology being pushed on to children was discussed?

And why on earth do we have rainbow warriors currently serving missions?

[spiritMan]

There is a lot of talk about "sin", but with the confusion today I think sin needs to be called out and clearly defined. I remember when President Hinckley spoke about raves in General Conference and went into great detail, even discussing that those who attended raves often chewed on pacifiers because extacy often makes a person grit their teeth and signs to watch for if someone was caught up in it. To not discuss LGBT ideology being pushed/propagandized onto young children either shows it's an uncomfortable subject not to be discussed or clearly spoken of, they think it will be too challenging to the membership, or they don't think it is a problem.

Is there another way to read this? I know a number of confused people in the church that fully believe and joyfully discuss openly LGBT marriage and it's being accepted in the church as only a matter of time. They never seem to be corrected and therefore many accept this idea. I once spoke up about the proclamation on the family in a church meeting when this "idea" was brought up and was told the discussion was getting to contentious and they moved on. If sin is spoken of in vague terms, you are bound to get confusion/bad results. At least, that's my view on it.

They talk about it all the time. You're remembering one single talk about ecstasy. Pres. Oaks preached against gay marriage last conference. It's in the manuals, the website. It's everywhere.

Then why are so many members so confused on the issue? Can you point me to a SINGLE talk where gender confusion ideology being pushed on to children was discussed?

And why on earth do we have rainbow warriors currently serving missions?

Don't worry they are openly queer, but they support The Proclamation and if you say that the membership is confused well YOU are the problem.

What a bunch of spiritual abuse.

[Artaxerxes]

So you can't think of one. Got it.

I can think of plenty.

But you don't care. I could rattle off multiple scriptures. But you don't care.

Cast not your pearls before swine.

Whole lot of posts to avoid citing these simple scriptures that would prove your point so well...

I don't cast pearls before swine.

"Jesus wants me to make posts without evidence" is some kind of argument, I guess.

[Lineman1012]

Then why are so many members so confused on the issue?

Because God gave people agency. People choose to ignore the prophet all the time, unfortunately.

Can you point me to a SINGLE talk where gender confusion ideology being pushed on to children was discussed?

The church directly states it is ACCEPTABLE to "come out".

So in my local stake, I hear talks about how Sis. so-and-so's daughter "come out" and how much love and acceptance they have received.

That IS gender confusion. Wake the heck up dude.

We had an elder in our ward finish his mission and about a month later came out as gay and his sister came out as lesbian shortly after that. Talk about gender confusion!!

[spiritMan]

I can think of plenty.

But you don't care. I could rattle off multiple scriptures. But you don't care.

Cast not your pearls before swine.

Whole lot of posts to avoid citing these simple scriptures that would prove your point so well...

I don't cast pearls before swine.

"Jesus wants me to make posts without evidence" is some kind of argument, I guess.

Quoting a Scripture would do nothing b/c you are not in a mindset to discuss. You are wedded to an ideology and therefore it wouldn't matter.

[spiritMan]

Because God gave people agency. People choose to ignore the prophet all the time, unfortunately.

Can you point me to a SINGLE talk where gender confusion ideology being pushed on to children was discussed?

The church directly states it is ACCEPTABLE to "come out".

So in my local stake, I hear talks about how Sis. so-and-so's daughter "come out" and how much love and acceptance they have received.

That IS gender confusion. Wake the heck up dude.

We had an elder in our ward finish his mission and about a month later came out as gay and his sister came out as lesbian shortly after that. Talk about gender confusion!!

But don't worry . . .The Proclamation!!!!! That will solve all these problems.

[spiritMan]

I can think of plenty.

But you don't care. I could rattle off multiple scriptures. But you don't care.

Cast not your pearls before swine.

Whole lot of posts to avoid citing these simple scriptures that would prove your point so well...

I don't cast pearls before swine.

"Jesus wants me to make posts without evidence" is some kind of argument, I guess.

You cannot handle a Scripture saying something that is contrary to what the Church is preaching as doctrine so it wouldn't matter.

[Artaxerxes]

Whole lot of posts to avoid citing these simple scriptures that would prove your point so well...

I don't cast pearls before swine.

"Jesus wants me to make posts without evidence" is some kind of argument, I guess.

Quoting a Scripture would do nothing b/c you are not in a mindset to discuss. You are wedded to an ideology and therefore it wouldn't matter.

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[spiritMan]

I don't cast pearls before swine.

"Jesus wants me to make posts without evidence" is some kind of argument, I guess.

Quoting a Scripture would do nothing b/c you are not in a mindset to discuss. You are wedded to an ideology and therefore it wouldn't matter.

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Here is your problem.

I have multiple Scriptures. I am telling you that I will not provide them because you are not in a mindset to receive them.

You then claim that I have no Scriptures.

You are conversing in bad faith. Bad faith is in attempting to provoke someone to do something because you believe that they are fake, false, untruthful.

You are a bad faith actor. So no I do not cast my pearls before those who are bad faith actors.

[Artaxerxes]

"Jesus wants me to make posts without evidence" is some kind of argument, I guess.

Quoting a Scripture would do nothing b/c you are not in a mindset to discuss. You are wedded to an ideology and therefore it wouldn't matter.

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Here is your problem.

I have multiple Scriptures. I am telling you that I will not provide them because you are not in a mindset to receive them.

You then claim that I have no Scriptures.

You are conversing in bad faith. Bad faith is in attempting to provoke someone to do something because you believe that they are fake, false, untruthful.

You are a bad faith actor. So no I do not cast my pearls before those who are bad faith actors.

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[Lineman1012]

Can you point me to a SINGLE talk where gender confusion ideology being pushed on to children was discussed?

The church directly states it is ACCEPTABLE to "come out".

So in my local stake, I hear talks about how Sis. so-and-so's daughter "come out" and how much love and acceptance they have received.

That IS gender confusion. Wake the heck up dude.

We had an elder in our ward finish his mission and about a month later came out as gay and his sister came out as lesbian shortly after that. Talk about gender confusion!!

But don't worry . . .The Proclamation!!!!! That will solve all these problems.

Talk about a mess of confusion!

We have gay missionaries out in the field proclaiming that families can be together forever and eternal progression all the while desiring a same sex companion that only ends in death and damnation.

At a women’s conference, earlier this year, we had a woman proclaim her queerness - which goes against the eternal nature of womanhood!

We are welcoming, with open arms, gay dating, hugging and kissing at BYU, which is as much a disaster as “defunding the police” was to the cities that followed that piece of insanity. It’s all a disaster in progress and will leave the entire institution desolate.

[spiritMan]

The church directly states it is ACCEPTABLE to "come out".

So in my local stake, I hear talks about how Sis. so-and-so's daughter "come out" and how much love and acceptance they have received.

That IS gender confusion. Wake the heck up dude.

We had an elder in our ward finish his mission and about a month later came out as gay and his sister came out as lesbian shortly after that. Talk about gender confusion!!

But don't worry . . .The Proclamation!!!!! That will solve all these problems.

Talk about a mess of confusion!

We have gay missionaries out in the field proclaiming that families can be together forever and eternal progression all the while desiring a same sex companion that only ends in death and damnation.

At a women’s conference, earlier this year, we had a woman proclaim her queerness - which goes against the eternal nature of womanhood!

We are welcoming, with open arms, gay dating, hugging and kissing at BYU, which is as much a disaster as “defunding the police” was to the cities that followed that piece of insanity. It’s all a disaster in progress and will leave the entire institution desolate.

Are you referring to the BYU Woman's Conference or something else? That was in 2021, I believe.

Otherwise, yes. It is a mess; but don't worry the Churchites will manipulate you into thinking you are the crazy one b/c don't you know the Church CLEARLY teaches same-sex marriage is wrong.

[Lineman1012]

We had an elder in our ward finish his mission and about a month later came out as gay and his sister came out as lesbian shortly after that. Talk about gender confusion!!

But don't worry . . .The Proclamation!!!!! That will solve all these problems.

Talk about a mess of confusion!

We have gay missionaries out in the field proclaiming that families can be together forever and eternal progression all the while desiring a same sex companion that only ends in death and damnation.

At a women’s conference, earlier this year, we had a woman proclaim her queerness - which goes against the eternal nature of womanhood!

We are welcoming, with open arms, gay dating, hugging and kissing at BYU, which is as much a disaster as “defunding the police” was to the cities that followed that piece of insanity. It’s all a disaster in progress and will leave the entire institution desolate.

Are you referring to the BYU Woman's Conference or something else? That was in 2021, I believe.

Otherwise, yes. It is a mess; but don't worry the Churchites will manipulate you into thinking you are the crazy one b/c don't you know the Church CLEARLY teaches same-sex marriage is wrong.

Yes I was referring to the BYU Woman's Conference last year.