Utah Ritualistic Child Sex Abuse Case
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Reminiscent of Jay's Journal.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/0 ... sts-video/
Imagine my shock.
Imagine my shock is not at all.
Then you imagine correctly.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/0 ... sts-video/
Imagine my shock.
Imagine my shock is not at all.
Then you imagine correctly.
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Man arrested had 18 counts. What part about millstone do people not understand?
The ones responsible for this man’s existence are just as guilty as he is.
These monsters are all over our neighborhoods and in our government.
The ones responsible for this man’s existence are just as guilty as he is.
These monsters are all over our neighborhoods and in our government.
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I must have missed this: what's Jay's Journal?ithink wrote: ↑September 28th, 2022, 9:49 pm Reminiscent of Jay's Journal.
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This is the source. He had the documents first.Chip wrote: ↑September 28th, 2022, 11:11 pm More from the young guy investigating SRA in Utah:
https://theconsciousresistance.com
The conscious resistance is Derek Brozés site and he also publishes on Last American Vagabond.
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I am not sure of the details of all of this, but Jays Journal detailed an underground network doing this kind of stuff, specifically on the Wasatch front.Chip wrote: ↑September 28th, 2022, 11:11 pm More from the young guy investigating SRA in Utah:
https://theconsciousresistance.com
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Look up Jay's Journal on Amazon.Atrasado wrote: ↑September 28th, 2022, 11:37 pmI must have missed this: what's Jay's Journal?ithink wrote: ↑September 28th, 2022, 9:49 pm Reminiscent of Jay's Journal.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/0 ... sts-video/
Imagine my shock.
Imagine my shock is not at all.
Then you imagine correctly.
https://www.amazon.ca/Jays-Journal-Beat ... TF8&sr=8-1
The copy I read when I was in my teens was the mass market paperback.
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Here you go.Atrasado wrote: ↑September 28th, 2022, 11:37 pmI must have missed this: what's Jay's Journal?ithink wrote: ↑September 28th, 2022, 9:49 pm Reminiscent of Jay's Journal.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/0 ... sts-video/
Imagine my shock.
Imagine my shock is not at all.
Then you imagine correctly.
https://archive.org/details/jaysjournal ... 3/mode/2up
Jay was a young Mormon kid in Utah. The careful LDS reader will detect a thread running through Jay's life that many at this site will pull back and say, wtf, that sounds like me. Well it's not you, it's what you are a part of and what Jay is a part of that ensures it is no coincidence. Particularly the way you "think", or should I say, the way "you think you think", because they way "you think you think isn't the way you think". As long as you are in, you cannot be sure you know why you are thinking what you do. Jay's way of responding to this makes up the balance of the content of his journal.
It's very sad, but I recommend this book.
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There is also some very good information in the comments.Mamabear wrote: ↑September 29th, 2022, 7:47 pm In case anyone missed this one from July:
https://theconsciousresistance.com/utah ... on-church/
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Review that actually makes me reconsider the story; (only 23 pgs thru)ithink wrote: ↑September 29th, 2022, 7:22 amLook up Jay's Journal on Amazon.Atrasado wrote: ↑September 28th, 2022, 11:37 pmI must have missed this: what's Jay's Journal?ithink wrote: ↑September 28th, 2022, 9:49 pm Reminiscent of Jay's Journal.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/0 ... sts-video/
Imagine my shock.
Imagine my shock is not at all.
Then you imagine correctly.
https://www.amazon.ca/Jays-Journal-Beat ... TF8&sr=8-1
The copy I read when I was in my teens was the mass market paperback.
"i hate a book that lies to me!
Reviewed in Canada on August 18, 2002
This book is a big lie!
Although i knew nothing about this "true account" when i picked it up, as i got deeper into the book I senseed something was missing. Jay's character didn't add up. He struck me as too sane and objective to be crazy, too moral and connected with himself to be so immoral, too mature in his thoughts and writing to be so immature, and FAR TOO HONEST AND EXPRESSIVE WITH HIMSELF to be so dishonest with everyone around him. The fact that he killed himself just didn't add up to me. I'm a psychiatrist who works with suicidal people ( adults now but teens in the past ) and i just didn't buy it. At first i wondered if Sparks simply changed too much of Jay's identifying information ( which even Freud warns against in recounting case studies ) to make the story hold,but later i found myself wondering if she had actually re - written the journal herself to fit HER needs ( perhaps to sell books, get famous, whatever - or perhaps some more sinister psychological desire to disguise a worthy person's true story ).
Although i still don't know what actually happened in "Jay's" case, ten minutes of internet research showed me claims that Jay ( allegedly really Alden Barrett ) was never even into the occult at all! Also, there were claims he was schizophrenic ( of which this supposed "journal" gives no indication ), and that "Dr." Beatrice Sparks ( who should lose her license if this proves true ) MADE UP whole sections of the book ( more than 50% ), weaving in "accounts" of other teenagers she allegedly knew.
One thing for which i am grateful about this book is that Sparks is only a mediocre writer. Had she produced a more believable account of "Jay's Journal", i probably never would have become suspicious and taken my suspicions beyond the state of contemplation.
I think what is called for here is the publication of "Jay's" actual journal so the reader sort the rest out for him or herself."
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""i hate a book that lies to me!"logonbump wrote: ↑September 29th, 2022, 9:50 pmReview that actually makes me reconsider the story; (only 23 pgs thru)ithink wrote: ↑September 29th, 2022, 7:22 amLook up Jay's Journal on Amazon.Atrasado wrote: ↑September 28th, 2022, 11:37 pmI must have missed this: what's Jay's Journal?ithink wrote: ↑September 28th, 2022, 9:49 pm Reminiscent of Jay's Journal.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/0 ... sts-video/
Imagine my shock.
Imagine my shock is not at all.
Then you imagine correctly.
https://www.amazon.ca/Jays-Journal-Beat ... TF8&sr=8-1
The copy I read when I was in my teens was the mass market paperback.
"i hate a book that lies to me!
Reviewed in Canada on August 18, 2002
This book is a big lie!
Although i knew nothing about this "true account" when i picked it up, as i got deeper into the book I senseed something was missing. Jay's character didn't add up. He struck me as too sane and objective to be crazy, too moral and connected with himself to be so immoral, too mature in his thoughts and writing to be so immature, and FAR TOO HONEST AND EXPRESSIVE WITH HIMSELF to be so dishonest with everyone around him. The fact that he killed himself just didn't add up to me. I'm a psychiatrist who works with suicidal people ( adults now but teens in the past ) and i just didn't buy it. At first i wondered if Sparks simply changed too much of Jay's identifying information ( which even Freud warns against in recounting case studies ) to make the story hold,but later i found myself wondering if she had actually re - written the journal herself to fit HER needs ( perhaps to sell books, get famous, whatever - or perhaps some more sinister psychological desire to disguise a worthy person's true story ).
Although i still don't know what actually happened in "Jay's" case, ten minutes of internet research showed me claims that Jay ( allegedly really Alden Barrett ) was never even into the occult at all! Also, there were claims he was schizophrenic ( of which this supposed "journal" gives no indication ), and that "Dr." Beatrice Sparks ( who should lose her license if this proves true ) MADE UP whole sections of the book ( more than 50% ), weaving in "accounts" of other teenagers she allegedly knew.
One thing for which i am grateful about this book is that Sparks is only a mediocre writer. Had she produced a more believable account of "Jay's Journal", i probably never would have become suspicious and taken my suspicions beyond the state of contemplation.
I think what is called for here is the publication of "Jay's" actual journal so the reader sort the rest out for him or herself."
logonbump, you are on the right path.
What you have is a book that isn't what the "author" says it is.
But the author included things that she thinks needed to be in there. We are now finding out and in fact Glenn Pace had us understand, are in fact real. Beatrice herself is in a way serving us with content that is real.
So while the book is fiction, it is in fact a compendium of the lives of numerous individuals that Beatrice knew.
And of course on another level, you have a book that isn't what it claims it is.
On yet another level, you have rituals.
Once ritualized, the participant isn't the same anymore.
Whoever ritualized that person, has control over them.
Keep digging.
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Jay is real. He lived in the Pleasant Grove/American Fork area. His father really was a doctor. Jay was buried in the AF cemetery. Kids would hold satanic activities at his grave and they had to move the body to an undisclosed location. Jay's much younger step brother was and is a fairly good friend with my son. The brother has been in our home many times. We still see him occasionally and he is doing fine despite the history of his family. This step brother neither confirmed nor refuted what was in the book because he was not there when it happened. He told us where the undisclosed location is and he would go there sometimes to try to understand what he knew about his brother's history. We only talked about this a small amount. We tried to be supportive adults for him and he loved the feeling in our home.
Aside from all this, satanic things like this really do happen. My family has experience in the SRA world and we know many people who have had experience with it. We knew Glen Pace and he knew that SRA was real. When he came out with his report and gave it to the brethren, he was quickly sent to Australia for three years to oversee the area and my wife was no longer able to visit with him until he got back. They did write letters to keep in touch. He sealed us in the SL Temple one afternoon when he had some free time. That is how our wedding date was set--he had time that day and we went with it.
Aside from all this, satanic things like this really do happen. My family has experience in the SRA world and we know many people who have had experience with it. We knew Glen Pace and he knew that SRA was real. When he came out with his report and gave it to the brethren, he was quickly sent to Australia for three years to oversee the area and my wife was no longer able to visit with him until he got back. They did write letters to keep in touch. He sealed us in the SL Temple one afternoon when he had some free time. That is how our wedding date was set--he had time that day and we went with it.
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TLAV thinks where there is smoke.
There is fire.
Sir H thinks so too.
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https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com ... s-reality/
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There is fire.
Sir H thinks so too.
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There was another big bust in the Salt Lake Valley being kept on the low down. They are going to have to sift through all the data, but it's a lot. It will be interesting to see if he actually goes to jail, goes to jail and gets pardoned, or if he just gets out free.
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I wonder if this kind of thing might also be related...?
https://gab.com/DoItPepe/posts/105649222813469631
https://gab.com/DoItPepe/posts/105649222813469631
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How big a bust? Would the average Utahn know the person's name?harakim wrote: ↑October 1st, 2022, 12:02 am There was another big bust in the Salt Lake Valley being kept on the low down. They are going to have to sift through all the data, but it's a lot. It will be interesting to see if he actually goes to jail, goes to jail and gets pardoned, or if he just gets out free.
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Not the name of the person busted, but the materials they had could make it a well known case. I will give more details when the case is over if it doesn't make it to the forum on its own.Atrasado wrote: ↑October 1st, 2022, 11:26 pmHow big a bust? Would the average Utahn know the person's name?harakim wrote: ↑October 1st, 2022, 12:02 am There was another big bust in the Salt Lake Valley being kept on the low down. They are going to have to sift through all the data, but it's a lot. It will be interesting to see if he actually goes to jail, goes to jail and gets pardoned, or if he just gets out free.
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You never know with these things. I was talking to a Utah podcaster, a fairly well known guy in the alternative news/politics arena last week, and he thinks (he said he didn't know for sure, but I think this guy hears more than he says) that the Utah County Hamblin/Levitt thing is being used as a smokescreen. That they are sacrificial lambs and that the sheriff is in on it. I would normally agree, but I have a feeling that this time is different. At least I hope so.harakim wrote: ↑October 3rd, 2022, 10:09 pmNot the name of the person busted, but the materials they had could make it a well known case. I will give more details when the case is over if it doesn't make it to the forum on its own.Atrasado wrote: ↑October 1st, 2022, 11:26 pmHow big a bust? Would the average Utahn know the person's name?harakim wrote: ↑October 1st, 2022, 12:02 am There was another big bust in the Salt Lake Valley being kept on the low down. They are going to have to sift through all the data, but it's a lot. It will be interesting to see if he actually goes to jail, goes to jail and gets pardoned, or if he just gets out free.
The right cache of photographs and video could really set the world on fire and rip a hole through a lot of hearts (including my jaded heart), if they aren't covered up a la Jeffrey Epstein. That's their weakness. To control each other they have to obtain and maintain indisputable evidence of horrible crimes, but if that evidence ever leaks when they don't mean it to leak to the wrong people it could blow their whole cabal up.
So who knows? The smart money is on cover-up, but maybe it's different this time.