Mudflood wrote: ↑October 2nd, 2022, 3:40 pmYour close but not quite right. Lord God in Hebrew is YHVH (Yahweh), the Gen chapter 2 "god" who is the wicked destroyer of all the good and benevolent creations of the Gen chapter 1 Gods/Godesses who created the this realm we live in. Yahweh the wicked god of the Jews took over this realm and MADE it void. He caused the flood, he caused the destruction of all the glorious building still found today in every city in the world (Salt Lake Temple, Manti Temple, Logan Temple, St. George Temple, Hawaii Temple, Navoo, Kirkland) yes they were all here when Brigham young came here. The new world order started late 1700’s early 1800’s. Remember the first 5 presidents of the church were master masons. They repurposed all of the buildings. Look up Tartaria and the videos put out by John Levi. YHVH is our enemy. The Jews are our enemy. They are his people. What’s lost is the way the Gods and Goddesses (Elohim) lived and created. That is the divine spark within us. YHVH is the imposter. He’s the baby drowned, blood sacrifice, animal sacrifice, only walk so many steps on the sabbath, ritual murderer of the Bible. There is no "spiritual creation, then physical creation" of our realm. There is only Gen 1 (Elohim/good guys) and Gen 2 "Lord God" (YHVH) destructor of everything that was good. The Bible is nothing more than the playbook of what Yahweh and his secret combinations want to make happen. It’s a script! Not scripture or prophecy. They want you to think there will be a "second coming" so you sit and do absolutely nothing while you get Jabbed, pay taxes, and continue to be controlled until you finally wake up to the imprisonment you’ve lived under your whole life. Why aren’t the "prophets speaking about this? Why are they giving 32 million dollars to the United Nations for "food reform"? Why "encourage" an unprovable vaccine? Because they are part of the agenda. Sad but true.Peeps wrote: ↑September 29th, 2022, 12:29 amThis is when he (Lucifer, and the elohim) made this earth void and without form by "creating" it, and darkness was over the face of the deep in Genesis chapter 1:1-2. The rest is of chapter 1 is his remodeling. That is why the high level Masons worship Lucifer as the "grand architect" of the universe. The word "create" inBuriedTartaria wrote: ↑September 28th, 2022, 8:26 pmI've forgotten this part of dialogue. Pretty powerful truth may be in there.
this verse means to cut down as a formative process, like cutting down a tree to make a wooden idol. But it is not the making of the tree.
Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God (ĕlōhîm) *created* the heaven and the earth.
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God (ĕlōhîm) moved upon the face of the waters.
created, bârâʼ, baw-raw';to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes):—choose, create (creator), cut down...
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/gen/1/1/t_conc_1001
*Choose a verse, then click "tools"
So Lucifer did "create" the earth in this sense, after he apparently demolished it. It was his "build back better" plan.
The elohim, or the god/s of Genesis chapter 1, or the Book of Abraham chapter 4, could not speak matter into existence like Jehovah Elohim/the LORD God of Genesis chapter 2:4. That is why these elohim gods said in Abraham 3:
24 And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth whereon these may dwell;
25 And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;
26 And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever.
They had to use materials that already existed because these elohim/gods cannot speak matter into existence like the self-Existent Eternal, Jehovah Elohim, the LORD God, of Genesis chapter 2:4 can. Jehovah means:
Strong’s Yᵉhôvâh, yeh-ho-vaw'; from H1961; (the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jeho-vah, Jewish national name of God:—Jehovah, the Lord. Compare H3050, H3069.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/gen/2/1/t_conc_2004
Genesis 2:4
These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were *created,* in the day that the LORD God *made* the earth and the heavens,
Now that you know the word "create" in Genesis 1:1 really means to cut down, you see can see that Lucifer and the elohim "created" the earth after Jehovah Elohim "made" it.
Here are some additional thoughts I have regarding this topic:
Peeps wrote: ↑
I have also been mulling over and ruminating on some things, some things you have sparked, like the those things written in the Pearl of Great Price, particularly the Book of Abraham, and Ezekiel 28 where it says satan/Lucifer walked in the midst of the stones of fire on the Holy mountain of God. I believe those stones of fire were us, when we were the "gnolaum," and that is where, and when, we were deceived into taking flesh bodies.
I was ready to dismiss everything in the Pearl of Great Price, but then I decided to reexamine it more closely, because of our discussions on other threads, and knowing that even Lucifer will give a person "enlightenment" --but it is like the partial truth he told Eve, for she did become wise, but she did surely die.
The Genesis chapter 1, or Abraham chapter 4 gods/ or the "elohim," are IMO, the rebellious third host of heaven led by the drag "queen of heaven," Lucifer/satan. Abraham chapter 3 tells us how in the preexistence we forfeited our first estate because Lucifer, described as the "one like unto God" in verse 24 (Isaiah 14 says Lucifer wanted to be like the Most High), said we would get glory added unto us forever and ever by choosing to go for a second estate in verse 26.
But this was the trap that got us taken into captivity to the lowest parts of the earth, as it is says in Psalm 139:15, I (David) was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth. And Jude 1:15 has a stern warning for those who leave their first estate, those everlasting "chains" under darkness are the "ligaments of the body" according to Strong's concordance, and to be considered an impediment of what we are supposed to be. I guess it is like we have been paralyzed from the neck down, but we don't know it. We are supposed to be beings of light, yet we cast a shadow. We all fell before Adam and Eve, they just went into mortality first.
Fortunately, in verse 27 of Abraham 3, the one "like the Son of Man" was sent to pay for this mistake of ours. The decision to take on a flesh body was the original forbidden fruit. D&C section 130 is wrong about the Father having a body of flesh and bones, He is a Spirit. Lectures on Faith 5.2 says the Father is a Personage of Spirit. The Book of Mormon says He is the "Great Spirit." Jesus told the Samaritan woman at the well, the Father is a Spirit, and is looking for those to worship Him in Spirit and truth.
The rebellious third is one of the reasons that the number 33 is revered by the occult. These elohim are the "adam/gods" of the LDS, though this knowledge has been "hidden" from the plebs-LDS, because that is what the very word occult means, hidden. The "enlightenment" of Lucifer being "god" is only for the higher levels like Master Masons/Master Mahons, though this is being exposed more and more everyday, because it is almost at the end of this world. And Daniel 12:4 says: But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
These elohim are who the LORD God of Israel was at war with during the Exodus. They created themselves, and they were gods to themselves. Reading about origins of the Egyptian pantheon shows this. Joseph Smith was so obsessed with Egypt, that he purchased Egyptian papyri from a traveling salesman. The "translations" were likely from some copies of Masonic sacred texts, which have been kept by the bloodline/hybrid families, who trace their origins back to Cain, who married into them when he went to the land of Nod. They can have MMPs, while the descendants of Adam, or those with souls, cannot. Their spirits probably come through a different place/portal before birth. They lack souls because the LORD God did not breathe breath into their nostrils, to make them living souls. They are the original clones. Man now has the technology to make clones, and we probably received this knowledge from the fallen angels, who will readily impart forbidden knowledge so mankind will use it for their self destruction. They are the damned spirits that inhabit meat suits that Jude describes as:
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Here is an example of an origin story of the Egyptian pantheon. It is also probably how they came back from the dead after Noah's flood. They are the gods of the dead.
Hu (ḥw), in ancient Egypt, was the deification of the first word, the word of creation, that Atum was said to have exclaimed upon ejaculating or, alternatively, his circumcision, in his masturbatory act of creating the Ennead.
Hu (2nd serpent in centre) and Renenutet (3rd seated figure on the right)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_(mythology)
So, I would guess that in your estimation, Yaldabaoth is YHVH?
If that is correct, then who is Lucifer?
If the LDS doctrine is correct, YHVH is Jesus Christ. Perhaps the second coming is just a murky form of 'salvation' according to YHVH. "I forgive you of your sins..... now ... bow down and worship me and I will give you higher degrees of glory!"