Ivermectin silently shows up on the NIH website

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Ivermectin has been an interesting psychological study.

I don't think there is sufficient clinical evidence to proclaim that it works to treat COVID, but there is certainly anectdotal evidence that it works in some cases as part of an overall treatment plan. It certainly doesn't cause any real harm to anyone who takes it.

Yet the response from the left and from those in authority were over the top against it. People got censored on social media for mentioning it. Doctors were ostracized and threatened for talking about it. In some places, doctors were threatened with punishment if they dared prescribe it as a covid treatment.

A rational person must ask why? Why this completely irrational response from the medical and political establishment to something so mundane? After looking at all the factors, the only reasonable answer is that Trump suggested that it might be a viable treatment.

So the experts and those who were duty bound to serve the citizens of the USA were willing to destroy lives, careers, and reputations of their colleagues and allow citizens to potentially die for politics and ideological purity. And these are the people who our church leaders told us were wise and we should trust and follow precisely because they wanted to "keep us safe".

Whether Ivermectin actually works or not is really irrelevant. The response is the real story here. For extremely spurious and petty reasons, our ruling and expert class felt it was perfectly fine to sacrifice you and your family for the greater good of the removal of a political opponent. And our church leaders actively supported this.

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Funny how this thread turned into a microcosm of political theatre. Good work all....a person with integrity (not an agenda come hell or high water or the need to be right under all or any circumstances) can see from the first post that it was misleading. Whether you agree or not about ivermectin is a secondary concern I guess....whether people can use ivermectin to treat covid isn't important...it's the purveyors of disinformation that can control the narrative and thus control the masses...people who are trying to disseminate propaganda are dishonest. That's the bottom line...but keep going on this..... It is spurious and petty from the experts on down to those who spread the disinformation....that way most can't know if they are or were for it or against it......you are either a seeker of truth or just sowing more confusion and contention....well done!
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madvin wrote: September 26th, 2022, 10:37 pm Ivermectin is merely a poison which temporarily clears the symptoms but blocks the body from doing its job of detoxifying and curing the problem.

Of course if one is to continue to eat crap and drink even more junk then you are fighting against your own body’s system of cleansing even more.
I didn't realize this is how ivermectin works. What natural alternatives have you found that work similarly?

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Serragon wrote: September 27th, 2022, 12:20 pm I don't think there is sufficient clinical evidence to proclaim that it works to treat COVID, but there is certainly anectdotal evidence that it works in some cases as part of an overall treatment plan. It certainly doesn't cause any real harm to anyone who takes it.
From what I've read of Pierre Kory and Tess Lawrie, who performed meta-analyses of ivermectin studies, it's effective.

There's also a recent study here. This studied nearly 90,000 who took the drug in Itajai, Brazil:
Conclusion
Non-use of ivermectin was associated with a 12.5-fold increase in mortality rate and a seven-fold increased risk of dying from COVID-19 compared to the regular use of ivermectin. This dose-response efficacy reinforces the prophylactic effects of ivermectin against COVID-19.

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Serragon wrote: September 27th, 2022, 12:20 pm Ivermectin has been an interesting psychological study.

. . .

A rational person must ask why? Why this completely irrational response from the medical and political establishment to something so mundane? After looking at all the factors, the only reasonable answer is that Trump suggested that it might be a viable treatment.
Another issue was that there wasn't huge money to be made taking ivermectin as opposed to getting multiple shots.

Kory (US) and Lawrie (UK) and another UK research MD, Hill, at Liverpool, were in general agreement that ivermectin was effective, after performing meta-analyses of available studies. Phil Harper, the Digger, goes through the tale on his substack. Kory and Lawrie recount it as well, in video and in writing.

In brief, Hill reversed position and pre-empted Kory and Lawrie, pre-publishing a paper with a reversal of his initial findings, quickly used up by global media to discredit ivermectin. Hill's original write-up appeared to have been altered by a non-native English speaker, possibly a Frenchwoman. If memory serves, the proximate influence for Hill's egregious reversal flowed from the NGO Unitaid, with Big Pharma / WHO connections. Lawrie was appalled.

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Serragon wrote: September 27th, 2022, 12:20 pm And these are the people who our church leaders told us were wise and we should trust and follow precisely because they wanted to "keep us safe".
. . .
And our church leaders actively supported this.
This is what I'm having trouble wrapping my head around.

We know that the vaccines weren't effective or fully safe. The effectiveness we heard initially was a lie. The ineffectiveness after the experiences of hundreds of millions is indisputable.

Yet the FP told us they were safe and effective. They just followed the corrupt globalist media. They didn't get the truth from the Lord and didn't even have anyone at church HQ dig into the details and read both sides so they could warn church members and offer viable alternative remedies.

So I'm interested to know how you, Serragon, navigate your church activity, when sustaining our top leaders is highly problematic, not just in this case, but more generally in their tacit and explicit acceptance of woke ideology and in the apparent increasing acceptance of the horrific LGBT agenda?

Indeed, I have a friend, a brilliant man, who recently informed his bishop that he couldn't sustain his local and general church leaders anymore, because of what they allow at BYU and because they send speakers out at the stake level telling members to tolerate and even embrace gays and lesbians and transgenders, that all people are acceptable, no matter what they do, that we shouldn't even think that what they do is wrong.

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Can you order Ivermectin from oversees again? They shut that down earlier.

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Jashon wrote: September 27th, 2022, 3:48 pm
Serragon wrote: September 27th, 2022, 12:20 pm And these are the people who our church leaders told us were wise and we should trust and follow precisely because they wanted to "keep us safe".
. . .
And our church leaders actively supported this.
This is what I'm having trouble wrapping my head around.

We know that the vaccines weren't effective or fully safe. The effectiveness we heard initially was a lie. The ineffectiveness after the experiences of hundreds of millions is indisputable.

Yet the FP told us they were safe and effective. They just followed the corrupt globalist media. They didn't get the truth from the Lord and didn't even have anyone at church HQ dig into the details and read both sides so they could warn church members and offer viable alternative remedies.

So I'm interested to know how you, Serragon, navigate your church activity, when sustaining our top leaders is highly problematic, not just in this case, but more generally in their tacit and explicit acceptance of woke ideology and in the apparent increasing acceptance of the horrific LGBT agenda?

Indeed, I have a friend, a brilliant man, who recently informed his bishop that he couldn't sustain his local and general church leaders anymore, because of what they allow at BYU and because they send speakers out at the stake level telling members to tolerate and even embrace gays and lesbians and transgenders, that all people are acceptable, no matter what they do, that we shouldn't even think that what they do is wrong.
The FP are democrats (socialists). They are surrounded by socialists. They have partnered with socialist NWO groups like the UN and WEF. They have joined the secret clergy response team.

As most everyone knows, the left is wrong. The left are dedicated disciples of satan. There is nothing whatsoever Christlike on the left. The left is evil. The left either denies God or hates God. Nothing good can truthfully be said about anyone on the left.

The liars in the FP and Q12 have been caught in their murderous lie. There is no question that they lied and people died. But they also lied about the masks and enforced a stricter lock down than even the government. The Q15 hate you. They are in it for the money. If you demand that your area president and stake president and bishop tell the truth, you will be excommunicated.

Uchtdorf finances abortions. The Q15 support him in this. RMN's recommendation and support for the shot have murdered many. What Christlike organization do you know of that holds fag parades?

Indoctrination runs deep.

Ask your Bishop if he can comprehend a mosquito getting through a chain link fence. Now give him the opportunity to choose between truth and the Brethren. He will fail and admit that he would rather burn in hell for eternity than to tell the truth about covid.

What does this tell you?

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p8riot wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:46 pm Can you order Ivermectin from oversees again? They shut that down earlier.
I think Trump has been out of office long enough now that Ivermectin can now be considered safe again.

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madvin wrote: September 26th, 2022, 10:37 pm Ivermectin is merely a poison which temporarily clears the symptoms but blocks the body from doing its job of detoxifying and curing the problem.

Of course if one is to continue to eat crap and drink even more junk then you are fighting against your own body’s system of cleansing even more.
Hmmm.

Isn't Ivermectin used to treat river blindness?

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Being There wrote: September 26th, 2022, 8:57 pm Image
Good information.

In addition, on a related note, if anyone here hasn't read Kennedy's "The Real Anthony Fauci', I would recommend you do.

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Image

or is it more like this -
" NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY TO ARTAXERXES (and company)
THEY AREN'T GOING TO GET IT,
UNTIL THEY UNPLUG FROM THEIR RELIGIOUS CULT "

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Jules wrote: September 27th, 2022, 3:03 pm
madvin wrote: September 26th, 2022, 10:37 pm Ivermectin is merely a poison which temporarily clears the symptoms but blocks the body from doing its job of detoxifying and curing the problem.

Of course if one is to continue to eat crap and drink even more junk then you are fighting against your own body’s system of cleansing even more.
I didn't realize this is how ivermectin works. What natural alternatives have you found that work similarly?
Well, I am more in the mind set of preventative. That is, I am actively detoxing several days a week with a variety of ways.

Ion foot bath
coffee enemas
sauna/sitting outdoors in the sun

eating a lot of gut healthy things
supplementation

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I clicked the link and read it. They said Ivermectin (in hamsters) helped them to not lose their sense of smell. I bet a lot of people who lost their sense of taste and smell would have appreciated that information! From what I heard, it can drive you crazy to eat your favorite foods and have them taste like poop to you.

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p8riot wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:46 pm Can you order Ivermectin from oversees again? They shut that down earlier.
I ordered a bunch from overseas. It should work....
But horse paste works just as well and you can buy it here without a prescription. I've been listening to some info on a Telegram channel called Dirt Road Discussions. If you click in there you can find a bunch of audio files and learn how thousands of people have healed themselves using... horse paste! And I don't mean just healing covid. They're healing all kinds of things. Apparently parasites and bad microbes can really mess up your body!

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Wolfwoman wrote: September 28th, 2022, 10:25 am
p8riot wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:46 pm Can you order Ivermectin from oversees again? They shut that down earlier.
I ordered a bunch from overseas. It should work....
But horse paste works just as well and you can buy it here without a prescription. I've been listening to some info on a Telegram channel called Dirt Road Discussions. If you click in there you can find a bunch of audio files and learn how thousands of people have healed themselves using... horse paste! And I don't mean just healing covid. They're healing all kinds of things. Apparently parasites and bad microbes can really mess up your body!
I don't think anything gets healed with that. Just stops the symptoms. That's not healing.

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madvin wrote: September 28th, 2022, 1:30 pm
Wolfwoman wrote: September 28th, 2022, 10:25 am
p8riot wrote: September 27th, 2022, 5:46 pm Can you order Ivermectin from oversees again? They shut that down earlier.
I ordered a bunch from overseas. It should work....
But horse paste works just as well and you can buy it here without a prescription. I've been listening to some info on a Telegram channel called Dirt Road Discussions. If you click in there you can find a bunch of audio files and learn how thousands of people have healed themselves using... horse paste! And I don't mean just healing covid. They're healing all kinds of things. Apparently parasites and bad microbes can really mess up your body!
I don't think anything gets healed with that. Just stops the symptoms. That's not healing.
To each their own.
Farmers have been using it on their animals and themselves for years. :)

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