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What's your excuse for not homeschooling your children?

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Hi everyone. Please go ahead and list your excuses for not homeschooling your children here.
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My excuse is that my youngest is 26 years old.

I did homeschool a lot when they were young, even though I was very poor much of the time, and a single mom much of the time.

Nowadays, it would be homeschooling 100% of the time. The school system is too toxic physically (jags, gender drugs) and spiritually/emotionally.

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: September 24th, 2022, 8:44 am Hi everyone. Please go ahead and list your excuses for not homeschooling your children here.
Do you have kids? Are they school aged? Do you homeschool them?

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InfoWarrior82 wrote: September 24th, 2022, 8:44 am Hi everyone. Please go ahead and list your excuses for not homeschooling your children here.
1. 'We require two incomes for our exquisite lifestyle, I mean we need two incomes to survive in this horrible economy'

2. 'We actually need a break from teaching and raising the kids and are so grateful for having a gubment sanctioned babysitting we can leave them at for 8 hours a day so we can do whatever we need to get done while the kids are being indoctrinated, I mean being babysat.'

3. 'Have you seen 'homeschooled kids' before? You expect me to raise my kids to be nerds like them?'

Those are the 3 most common reasons I hear/see.

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“I want to enlist the sympathies of the ladies among the Latter-day Saints, to see what we can do for ourselves with regard to schooling our children. Do not say you cannot school them, for you can.” (Brigham Young, 7 April 1873, JD 16:20)

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Luke wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:05 am “I want to enlist the sympathies of the ladies among the Latter-day Saints, to see what we can do for ourselves with regard to schooling our children. Do not say you cannot school them, for you can.” (Brigham Young, 7 April 1873, JD 16:20)
I wouldn't mind homeschooling, but then my husband would have to agree to come home and help cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, and go grocery shopping. Brigham also wanted the ladies to make their own clothing and start home businesses where they were earning money. If something isn't being done, we'll just ask the women to work harder.

All the homeschooled kids I've met over the course of raising my children were always behind my own children in their academic skills. I'm sure there are exceptions, I just never have met them. The reason makes sense. The mother is not trained, does not have the same experience, has little time or must sacrifice other jobs to do and kids often don't respond as well to their parents as they would to other adults. I think it also helps to have a different location other than the home to go to.

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cyclOps wrote: September 24th, 2022, 9:31 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: September 24th, 2022, 8:44 am Hi everyone. Please go ahead and list your excuses for not homeschooling your children here.
Do you have kids? Are they school aged? Do you homeschool them?
Yes, yes, and yes.

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Sarah wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:16 am
Luke wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:05 am “I want to enlist the sympathies of the ladies among the Latter-day Saints, to see what we can do for ourselves with regard to schooling our children. Do not say you cannot school them, for you can.” (Brigham Young, 7 April 1873, JD 16:20)
I wouldn't mind homeschooling, but then my husband would have to agree to come home and help cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, and go grocery shopping. Brigham also wanted the ladies to make their own clothing and start home businesses where they were earning money. If something isn't being done, we'll just ask the women to work harder.

All the homeschooled kids I've met over the course of raising my children were always behind my own children in their academic skills. I'm sure there are exceptions, I just never have met them. The reason makes sense. The mother is not trained, does not have the same experience, has little time or must sacrifice other jobs to do and kids often don't respond as well to their parents as they would to other adults. I think it also helps to have a different location other than the home to go to.
Not sure why you had to immediately get defensive and present a feminist bent to this discussion. It seems to be a running theme.

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Luke wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:21 am
Sarah wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:16 am
Luke wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:05 am “I want to enlist the sympathies of the ladies among the Latter-day Saints, to see what we can do for ourselves with regard to schooling our children. Do not say you cannot school them, for you can.” (Brigham Young, 7 April 1873, JD 16:20)
I wouldn't mind homeschooling, but then my husband would have to agree to come home and help cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, and go grocery shopping. Brigham also wanted the ladies to make their own clothing and start home businesses where they were earning money. If something isn't being done, we'll just ask the women to work harder.

All the homeschooled kids I've met over the course of raising my children were always behind my own children in their academic skills. I'm sure there are exceptions, I just never have met them. The reason makes sense. The mother is not trained, does not have the same experience, has little time or must sacrifice other jobs to do and kids often don't respond as well to their parents as they would to other adults. I think it also helps to have a different location other than the home to go to.
Not sure why you had to immediately get defensive and present a feminist bent to this discussion. It seems to be a running theme.
Not sure why every time I post something you have to make it personal and call me a feminist. How am I being a feminist?

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Luke wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:21 am
Sarah wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:16 am
Luke wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:05 am “I want to enlist the sympathies of the ladies among the Latter-day Saints, to see what we can do for ourselves with regard to schooling our children. Do not say you cannot school them, for you can.” (Brigham Young, 7 April 1873, JD 16:20)
I wouldn't mind homeschooling, but then my husband would have to agree to come home and help cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, and go grocery shopping. Brigham also wanted the ladies to make their own clothing and start home businesses where they were earning money. If something isn't being done, we'll just ask the women to work harder.

All the homeschooled kids I've met over the course of raising my children were always behind my own children in their academic skills. I'm sure there are exceptions, I just never have met them. The reason makes sense. The mother is not trained, does not have the same experience, has little time or must sacrifice other jobs to do and kids often don't respond as well to their parents as they would to other adults. I think it also helps to have a different location other than the home to go to.
Not sure why you had to immediately get defensive and present a feminist bent to this discussion. It seems to be a running theme.
I think Luke you are defining feminism as a woman feeling a sense of female victim-hood, and a woman who wants to right the wrongs that they see. Some so-called "feminists" are fine with simply requesting equal and respectful treatment, where the extreme "feminists" would like to punish men and get something like reparations. Let me assure you that I am not in the extreme, but I ask for equal, fair, and respectful treatment. When I don't see that happening, I'm not afraid to call it out.

So what is the opposite of that? We don't have a word for it, but perhaps we should make one up? A masculinist? Someone who promotes male victim-hood and woman shaming. We see a lot of it on this forum, including from you, because it is traditional, and generally accepted, and "normal," as opposed to women claiming victim-hood and shaming men.
I am simply responding to women shaming and male victim-hood when I see it, providing the opposite point of view or defense.

A discussion was started on homeschooling, and you decide to throw the woman shaming card into it. I responded in defense. If that makes me a feminist, someone who defends women from false accusations and insinuations, then I'm proud to wear the label.

Your post insinuated that mother's aren't working hard enough, that fathers and children are victims because a mother isn't working harder in teaching the children. And this coming from non-mother and parent. You are the one who is stuck on blaming women for things. We see the thread where husbands are victims because their wife won't give them sex or another wife. It's all about male victim-hood. So now, when a woman starts claiming innocence and that she is a victim because of her false accusers and tries to defend herself, she is called names and labeled as selfish. But who is really selfish here? Who is feeling entitled to a woman's labor? This behavior doesn't have a label because this type of behavior has been normalized, and women have just had to accept it in order to be sweet and good.

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Our kids have attended public schools. Our kids have attended a charter school. We have also homeschooled our kids (99.9% my wife did it all, she’s a rockstar). All three options can be good. All three options can also be bad.

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My children are older so I personally do not have to deal with it. But some obvious reasons that I see in others are:
1. I like it that the government teaches my children for free.
2. I enjoy the time when the children are at school.
3. I'm not a teacher. I never learned my times tables.
4. I don't have time. Their future is of no value to me.
5. I don't want to be around my kids all day.
6. I don't mind if they learn about sex in first grade.
7. I'm a socialist so it is government's job.
8. It's too much work. Better if they wonder what sex they are someplace else.
9. I really don't like my kids that much.

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We have homeschooled our kids. They know how to do things. From building the house (foundation up) to growing food, plants and animals, actual auto repair, spinning, knitting, cooking etc etc are they academically advanced? By academic standards, no. They don’t know advanced calculus that no one uses and is completely useless to anyone except engineers.

My oldest sister graduated highschool 2 years early as valadictorian. She used to write the questions for the SAT tests. She was/is very academically advanced She couldn’t back her car out of the driveway without help till she was near 40. My second sister graduated salutatorian and couldn’t place Europe on a map. My brother in law’s wife comes from a family where everyone has a doctorate or multiple masters degrees. They look down in disgust at anyone without a degree of some sort. They once spent 30 minutes arguing and debating how to change a spin in light bulb. Advanced academics in my opinion is not worth anything, in fact it would seem to
Be a hinderance and a curse

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I don't have any children :p

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cyclOps wrote: September 24th, 2022, 9:31 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: September 24th, 2022, 8:44 am Hi everyone. Please go ahead and list your excuses for not homeschooling your children here.
Do you have kids? Are they school aged? Do you homeschool them?
We have adult children. Many of them were homeschooled until I had to work full time. Then I looked into the public schools close by and sent them to one of the smallest schools in Utah. High school, jr high, elementary and kindergarten all in one building with good people teaching in a very rural area. I did the best I could.

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BuriedTartaria wrote: September 24th, 2022, 11:41 am I don't have any children :p
You and me both, hermano. Many would say our opinion should be irrelevant... but not here on the best mormon forum on the internets😉😁

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mtmom wrote: September 24th, 2022, 11:42 am
cyclOps wrote: September 24th, 2022, 9:31 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: September 24th, 2022, 8:44 am Hi everyone. Please go ahead and list your excuses for not homeschooling your children here.
Do you have kids? Are they school aged? Do you homeschool them?
We have adult children. Many of them were homeschooled until I had to work full time. Then I looked into the public schools close by and sent them to one of the smallest schools in Utah. High school, jr high, elementary and kindergarten all in one building with good people teaching in a very rural area. I did the best I could.
That's a good point. There are schools and districts that do actually take their charge to teach and educate seriously. I do recognize this and acknowledge this. Homeschool, in general, only works well for folks that are kinda like us folks here on this forum.

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Cruiserdude wrote: September 24th, 2022, 11:49 am That's a good point. There are schools and districts that do actually take their charge to teach and educate seriously. I do recognize this and acknowledge this. Homeschool, in general, only works well for folks that are kinda like us folks here on this forum.
That was years ago, though. In taking to the same teachers now, they say teaching is no longer enjoyable. Students are no longer respectful, parents just want the kids to get good grades without effort on their part, teachers are not supported, and the kids DON'T want to be in school. They want to sit home and watch TV or play video games. It is a new generation. New attitude.

However in our home, everyone works-- indoors and outside. We are old school. Big time. That's why our adult kids don't want to move back home. 😂😂. But they do still show us love and respect and they all have a great work ethic.

We personally support all who want to home school. Just don't sit them in front of the TV or video games and call it "good". Teach them about life and how to work. And enjoy your kids. They are amazing. ❤️

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cyclOps wrote: September 24th, 2022, 11:31 am Our kids have attended public schools. Our kids have attended a charter school. We have also homeschooled our kids (99.9% my wife did it all, she’s a rockstar). All three options can be good. All three options can also be bad.
This ☝️.

My children have never attended regular public schools, but have done a mix of home school and charter schools.

I've seen extreme bad examples of homeschool failures and of course public/private/charter school failures. A valid excuse for not homeschooling could be that the stay-at-home parent responsible for their children's education simply fails in that role. But then there is also that huge risk in sending children somewhere that they are exposed to the mental insanity of the gay and anti-Christ agendas that are so prevalent in such institutions today.

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mtmom wrote: September 24th, 2022, 12:05 pm
Cruiserdude wrote: September 24th, 2022, 11:49 am That's a good point. There are schools and districts that do actually take their charge to teach and educate seriously. I do recognize this and acknowledge this. Homeschool, in general, only works well for folks that are kinda like us folks here on this forum.
That was years ago, though. In taking to the same teachers now, they say teaching is no longer enjoyable. Students are no longer respectful, parents just want the kids to get good grades without effort on their part, teachers are not supported, and the kids DON'T want to be in school. They want to sit home and watch TV or play video games. It is a new generation. New attitude.

However in our home, everyone works-- indoors and outside. We are old school. Big time. That's why our adult kids don't want to move back home. 😂😂. But they do still show us love and respect and they all have a great work ethic.

We personally support all who want to home school. Just don't sit them in front of the TV or video games and call it "good". Teach them about life and how to work. And enjoy your kids. They are amazing. ❤️
For sure. I've been able to tell you're one of the good guys from your posts on here 👍and that's funny about the kids not wanting to go back😂👌

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Sarah wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:16 am
Luke wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:05 am “I want to enlist the sympathies of the ladies among the Latter-day Saints, to see what we can do for ourselves with regard to schooling our children. Do not say you cannot school them, for you can.” (Brigham Young, 7 April 1873, JD 16:20)
I wouldn't mind homeschooling, but then my husband would have to agree to come home and help cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, and go grocery shopping. Brigham also wanted the ladies to make their own clothing and start home businesses where they were earning money. If something isn't being done, we'll just ask the women to work harder.

All the homeschooled kids I've met over the course of raising my children were always behind my own children in their academic skills. I'm sure there are exceptions, I just never have met them. The reason makes sense. The mother is not trained, does not have the same experience, has little time or must sacrifice other jobs to do and kids often don't respond as well to their parents as they would to other adults. I think it also helps to have a different location other than the home to go to.
I have been in the public school community for 6 years with my kids, was public schooled myself, and now we have been in the homeschool community for 13 years. The spectrum of kids and their academic skills goes to both ends in both types. The strongest indicator of what you find to be success is always parents who care. Overall, in testing, homeschooled kids are academically higher.

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Simple: they have way more of an impact in sharing the gospel because they go to school and are involved in things associated with school (clubs, activities, and sports). Our son had five of his friends join the church last year (he was asked to baptize two of them), and some of them followed him to college. While homeschool groups try to provide the things that schools provide, it's a hollow shell of the school experience.

They also face tough experiences that homeschoolers are shielded from. Bad situations, bad teachers, liberal indoctrination, etc. You can't be a light, a city on a hill, etc. if you forfeit the game. Our kids have been a shot in the arm for the silent majority who crave to have people stand up to stuff like this (this happened in seminary as well, with a rising CES star who was literally driven away because our well-read sons called him on woke, trendy "Saints Unscripted-style crud). The kids who silently hated it loved it, and it helped them to all stand up as Spartacus.

I went to a bad school in Chicago, but had a good education because I was a reader and came from a good family. I, and those around me, we're the better for it.

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CuriousThinker wrote: September 24th, 2022, 12:36 pm
Sarah wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:16 am
Luke wrote: September 24th, 2022, 10:05 am “I want to enlist the sympathies of the ladies among the Latter-day Saints, to see what we can do for ourselves with regard to schooling our children. Do not say you cannot school them, for you can.” (Brigham Young, 7 April 1873, JD 16:20)
I wouldn't mind homeschooling, but then my husband would have to agree to come home and help cook dinner, clean the house, do the laundry, and go grocery shopping. Brigham also wanted the ladies to make their own clothing and start home businesses where they were earning money. If something isn't being done, we'll just ask the women to work harder.

All the homeschooled kids I've met over the course of raising my children were always behind my own children in their academic skills. I'm sure there are exceptions, I just never have met them. The reason makes sense. The mother is not trained, does not have the same experience, has little time or must sacrifice other jobs to do and kids often don't respond as well to their parents as they would to other adults. I think it also helps to have a different location other than the home to go to.
I have been in the public school community for 6 years with my kids, was public schooled myself, and now we have been in the homeschool community for 13 years. The spectrum of kids and their academic skills goes to both ends in both types. The strongest indicator of what you find to be success is always parents who care. Overall, in testing, homeschooled kids are academically higher.
You nailed it. Absolutely by far the most important factor: 'parents who care' 👍

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Rubicon wrote: September 24th, 2022, 12:42 pm Simple: they have way more of an impact in sharing the gospel because they go to school and are involved in things associated with school (clubs, activities, and sports). Our son had five of his friends join the church last year (he was asked to baptize two of them), and some of them followed him to college. While homeschool groups try to provide the things that schools provide, it's a hollow shell of the school experience.

They also face tough experiences that homeschoolers are shielded from. Bad situations, bad teachers, liberal indoctrination, etc. You can't be a light, a city on a hill, etc. if you forfeit the game. Our kids have been a shot in the arm for the silent majority who crave to have people stand up to stuff like this (this happened in seminary as well, with a rising CES star who was literally driven away because our well-read sons called him on woke, trendy "Saints Unscripted-style crud). The kids who silently hated it loved it, and it helped them to all stand up as Spartacus.

I went to a bad school in Chicago, but had a good education because I was a reader and came from a good family. I, and those around me, we're the better for it.
Most homeschool kids are in a ton of extracurricular activities and meet other kids from all walks of life. Learning instruments, gymnastics, art, sports, etc.

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It's not the same experience, though. Many who recognize the drawbacks to school still believe that the overall experience is better than homeschooling.

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