Unvaxxed with Autism? (POLL)

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Do you know even a single person with “autism” that has never received vaxxinations of any kind?

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madvin
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Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 9:25 am
madvin wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 9:23 am We assume that vaccine ingredients have not changed since it became "commonplace" in the '60's and even prior to that, but haven't the ingredients changed through the years and haven't they become even more toxic in the recent past and continue along those lines even up until now? It is the heavy metals among other toxins that have caused such a rise in autism. Not to mention the aforementioned poisons in the water and the air.
So we should assume that the ingredients HAVE changed and that these changes have caused the rise?
I think so

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Artaxerxes wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 7:52 am
mudflap wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 7:28 am So, Artexerxes, are you claiming that since autism-like traits pre-date vaccines, that vaccines do not cause autism?
No, the prior claim that I was responding to was "Autism started when they began injecting children with mercury." That is false.
Ok, fair enough. I agree - I don't think autism started when they began injecting children with mercury. But I think mercury can do at least two things:
1. it can exacerbate a pre-existing genetic tendency towards autism through the pathway, such as inhibiting the methylation pathways: https://www.amymyersmd.com/article/mthfr-mutation/ in those with a MTHFR mutation, for example.
2. It can induce autism in those with no genetic tendency through heavy-metal poisoning. One example that makes the CDC and BigPharma bristle for example, is that following the CDC recommended and scientifically untested "recommended vaccine immunization schedule" gives children levels of mercury the CDC considers unsafe. (1)

Joseph Smith's brother Alvin died from mercury poisoning.

(1) https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmp078187 read the whole article, and keep in mind that it was funded by the very people who stand to lose big time. For the un-initiated: "read between the lines". In other words, follow the money. Of course they deny it (because they have to) by way of "word salad" "peer reviewed studies", but there are plenty of VAERS cases where the plaintiff was awarded millions in damages, thus proving otherwise. This article shows the CDC knew the levels of mercury in vaccines were unsafe all along.

I took a photo of a box of flu vaccine in 2017 proving they are still using thimerosal in vaccines - it's right on the box as one of the ingredients.

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I've never met an unvaccinated person with autism... But I can probably count the number of people I've met and know to be unvaccinated on my fingers. It's hardly a useful sample size.

I can say that I received all of the standard vaccinations in young childhood, and find myself somewhere on the spectrum. Met plenty of people vaccinated who don't seem to be it at all, however.

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Jamescm wrote: September 22nd, 2022, 3:40 pm I've never met an unvaccinated person with autism... But I can probably count the number of people I've met and know to be unvaccinated on my fingers. It's hardly a useful sample size.

I can say that I received all of the standard vaccinations in young childhood, and find myself somewhere on the spectrum. Met plenty of people vaccinated who don't seem to be it at all, however.
The two obvious problems are I can't tell who's completely unvax'd and (despite what some people here say) I can't always spot if someone's mildly autistic. Some autistic people are obvious but a significant number are not, and I don't always know unless they disclose it. I don't exactly go round asking people these questions.

The vaccinated population is very high here, higher than the States. However, there are many people, including myself, who got childhood vaccinations who did NOT opt for the recent MRNA Covid injections.

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It’s my understanding that the ingredients did change. Sorry no source but my memory, if it serves me right. When the vaccine industry was going bankrupt in the 80’s from lawsuits the US government released the companies from liability and bailed out the industry. But the industry still needed to make a profit. They changed to cheaper preservatives to be able to then mass produce more. Cheaper preservatives allow a shelf stable product that lasted longer for shipping/storage, thus lowering overhead cost and getting their product world wide. Thimerosol became the preservative of choice despite it containing mercury and formaldehyde. It is still used in mass produced flu vaccines today.

Rates of autism definitely increased in the late 90’s from improved testing. I think this was a result of the internet facilitating awareness. But it’s also when fluoride started being added to the water in a lot of municipalities. I think the “increased diagnosis” mantra has become a narrative to distract from the real cause. It can justify a large spike, but not a long term increase. One is an anomaly in data. A long term increase dictates is an epidemic. In two decades Autism increased from a 1% rate to upwards of 23% in the population. No other disability has a history of exploding so quickly outside of agent orange and swine flu vaccine injuries in the 70’s.

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Maroriginal1 wrote: September 23rd, 2022, 8:37 pm Rates of autism definitely increased in the late 90’s from improved testing. I think this was a result of the internet facilitating awareness. But it’s also when fluoride started being added to the water in a lot of municipalities. I think the “increased diagnosis” mantra has become a narrative to distract from the real cause.
That doesn't really apply to older people who are also being diagnosed, and whose symptoms were around before the late 1990s.

It's also become common in parts of the world where water fluoridation still doesn't occur like certain parts of the northern Scottish Highlands. You could argue that's down to toothpaste, but that's beginning to reach.

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There is no one smoking gun to Autism. Just a lot of concerning correlating factors. Autism has been around a long time with common ratios comparable to other disabilities that happen randomly. My point is that the recent increase is not normal natural selection. Something else is contributing.

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Maroriginal1 wrote: September 24th, 2022, 8:33 am There is no one smoking gun to Autism. Just a lot of concerning correlating factors. Autism has been around a long time with common ratios comparable to other disabilities that happen randomly. My point is that the recent increase is not normal natural selection. Something else is contributing.
The recent increase is down often down to diagnosis... it's not just being picked up in the young either.

However, as I point out there is another major possible culprit which is the television. If your children are raised by television they will not be socialised. I am lucky in that when I was very young we often didn't have a TV signal and when we did it was only three channels. So I often went to play with other children or got out and did things. Now it's hundreds 24/7.

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The idea of tv is interesting. I can see that contributing to the problem with social development.

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