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Re: What is your opinion about the current apostles?
Posted: September 4th, 2022, 2:10 am
by Niemand
Jason wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 4:50 pm
Niemand wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 4:07 pm
Jason wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 3:59 pm
Niemand wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 2:54 am
It depends which part of Europe you are in. It isn't all collapsing at the same rate. Some places like Greece have never recovered from the last meltdown, Germany will be in for a nasty shock, and France will strike and riot a lot, but then again they always have!!!
Germany & UK leading the charge down the spiral...
Despite all the sensationalism, the UK is nowhere near the bottom. Portugal and Greece have lost out big time and the Polish boom is now over.
The Balts are also paying for restrictive rules and picking a fight with Russia.
well I don't have feet on the ground there...and my approach/outlook for the most part is purely economic....
...but UK doesn't look that far away from collapse economically...and judging on their flagship aircraft carrier performance...it rolls over into other realms as well...
...and Portugal and Greece are in the noise in terms of major European players on that stage....
I've never understood the big deal about aircraft carriers, since they are increasingly obsolete technology, and pretty much white elephants. Even in the Falklands War back in '82, some forty years ago, some of the major strikes on the islands were undertaken by Vulcan bombers leaving from Ascension Island hundreds of miles away... and the Argentinian fighter jets themselves originated mostly from the continental bases, rather than aircraft carriers. Anyway, I digress.
The UK is in a bad way, but so is everywhere else. It is heavily dependent on imports, which is one major problem, but there is also an element of self-fulfilling prophecy by the media. There is continuous talk in the media of rising energy prices and goods shortages, which causes the very same things through panic. Everything is being blamed of course, apart from the damage done by lockdowns, and having an open card carrying Communist (Prof. Susan Michie) in charge of the UK economy for months on end. Boris Johnson is also a fake and a WEF stooge.
Re: What is your opinion about the current apostles?
Posted: September 4th, 2022, 6:12 am
by BeNotDeceived
blitzinstripes wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:18 am
BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 8:35 pm
blitzinstripes wrote: ↑August 31st, 2022, 7:23 pm
My opinion is there's going to be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth in SLC when the Servant cleanses the temple and puts the Lord's house back in order. I pray I live to see that day and to see the redemption of Zion and the coming of the Lord.
Moroni already landed his instrument when struck by a 5.7 magnitude earthquake.
The temple thing isn't what it's cracked up to be.
Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 4th, 2019, 4:17 pm
... absolute knowledge.
The Spirit has revealed many details to me about how Joseph Smith started the Church. The "angel" that brought the "gold plates" was Parley P. Pratt. The "angel" that "took the gold plates away" was Parley P. Pratt. The "angel" that "brought the gold plates back a year later" was Parley P. Pratt. Parley had a wagon route that he made every year. It went from around Palmyra to Sandusky, Ohio every year. The gold plates was a manuscript that Parley had on his wagon ...
You and Sherwin been drinking some mighty strong Kool aid over there, bud. Thanks for the entertainment value.
The entertainment value is high, as High Spy quotes his
Doppelgänger 
There Dan Vogel does a three part expose on JS’s many fabrications. A pious fraud doth best describe the situation, that only grew worse after 1834, best summarized by Taylor Drake in Joseph in the Gap.
It’s nice having a sweet beverage to refresh oneself during the long intermission. July 2023 and April 2024 are dates to mark on your Calendar, but things don’t really get rolling as per search keyword ASHH.
Re: What is your opinion about the current apostles?
Posted: September 4th, 2022, 9:56 am
by FrankOne
good article. thanks.
huh. real reporting. I think they've outlawed that.
Re: What is your opinion about the current apostles?
Posted: October 7th, 2023, 5:30 am
by Jason
Niemand wrote: ↑September 4th, 2022, 2:10 am
Jason wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 4:50 pm
Niemand wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 4:07 pm
Jason wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 3:59 pm
Germany & UK leading the charge down the spiral...
Despite all the sensationalism, the UK is nowhere near the bottom. Portugal and Greece have lost out big time and the Polish boom is now over.
The Balts are also paying for restrictive rules and picking a fight with Russia.
well I don't have feet on the ground there...and my approach/outlook for the most part is purely economic....
...but UK doesn't look that far away from collapse economically...and judging on their flagship aircraft carrier performance...it rolls over into other realms as well...
...and Portugal and Greece are in the noise in terms of major European players on that stage....
I've never understood the big deal about aircraft carriers, since they are increasingly obsolete technology, and pretty much white elephants. Even in the Falklands War back in '82, some forty years ago, some of the major strikes on the islands were undertaken by Vulcan bombers leaving from Ascension Island hundreds of miles away... and the Argentinian fighter jets themselves originated mostly from the continental bases, rather than aircraft carriers. Anyway, I digress.
The UK is in a bad way, but so is everywhere else. It is heavily dependent on imports, which is one major problem, but there is also an element of self-fulfilling prophecy by the media. There is continuous talk in the media of rising energy prices and goods shortages, which causes the very same things through panic. Everything is being blamed of course, apart from the damage done by lockdowns, and having an open card carrying Communist (Prof. Susan Michie) in charge of the UK economy for months on end. Boris Johnson is also a fake and a WEF stooge.
Well it's not so much the aircraft carrier...but the aircraft carrier group. Having toured the world on one...I agree to disagree on obsolete technology. Floating base of operations that can be on the other side of the world in a day or so if they are pushing it. With speed screws talking 70 knots. 70+ aircraft. 5000+ support personnel. Munitions. Etc. If you've ever tried to set up a base of operations in some hell hole around the world with like a 48-72 hr go live time frame...runways, housing, repair capabilities, defensive capabilities, etc etc etc...then you'll certainly appreciate the capability to relocate something already functioning into the strike zone in half the time.
Yep...and it's not going to get better. Again I give it 8-12 months before the wheels come off the bus (roving mobs)...but no crystal ball for sure...
Re: What is your opinion about the current apostles?
Posted: October 7th, 2023, 7:26 am
by Mindfields
Dudes that believe they are something that they are clearly not.
Re: What is your opinion about the current apostles?
Posted: October 7th, 2023, 8:05 am
by Teancum1
D&C 64:
38 For it shall come to pass that the inhabitants of Zion shall judge all things pertaining to Zion.
39 And liars and hypocrites shall be proved by them, and they who are not apostles and prophets shall be known.
Re: What is your opinion about the current apostles?
Posted: October 7th, 2023, 8:21 am
by investigator
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name, and in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them: I never knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Re: What is your opinion about the current apostles?
Posted: October 7th, 2023, 10:54 am
by Fred
Quentin Cook explains prophecy...
Re: What is your opinion about the current apostles?
Posted: October 7th, 2023, 11:39 am
by fractal_light_harvest
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑August 31st, 2022, 6:16 pm
Niemand wrote: ↑August 31st, 2022, 5:20 pm
I ignore most of them, because they have little to say. Uchtdorf is probably the best speaker although he has made some stupid political choices. Holland is the one I like the most out of them. Bednar is the one I like the least, he seems to be an operator. Gong seems to be heavily attached to the fringes of globalism. I don't have a strong opinion on the others individually other than to say that they seem to be following the world.
On the rare occasions I watch General Conference I'd probably check out Uchtdorf and Holland. I can't be doing with most of the rest.
The one talk from Holland that really got to me was where he said that if the BoM is true, then it must all be true. That is completely and utterly false.
Yes exactly. Like why couldn’t the book of Mormon be true but then giving money to GAVI or “lying for the Lord” or something not be? I did lose respect for him that day tbh. It seems he should be able to reason through something like that on his own. But maybe he is a nice enough man generally.
Re: What is your opinion about the current apostles?
Posted: October 7th, 2023, 11:45 am
by fractal_light_harvest
Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 7:27 am
762X545 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:59 am
The "leaders," of the churcb are completely irrelevant to me. They are frauds. They really are on the same level of a Jimmy Swaggart. Televangelists. They get up on stage and tell you to keep sowing your "faith seed," by sending your money to them. I told my wife that the drunk homeless man on the street can tell you more about God and Christ than anynof these clowns if suits can.
Not long ago I would have strongly disagreed w/ you on this matter of faith and money. We have a great ability to lump multiple philosophies together, piggybacking on a true principle. (E.g. the BoM and the “church” are true) The following story from Wendy Nelson just makes me cringe today and how manipulative she is:
While traveling with her husband, Sister Wendy Nelson spoke to the young single adults in a church-wide broadcast. She told them, “When we're desperate to have more money, we eagerly follow the Lord's law of finances. Which is, of course, tithing.” She then related a story of how a young family was paying way more tithing than their income. The bishop asked why and the young father responded, "Oh, I'm not paying on what I make, I'm paying on what I want to make." She concluded the story by stating that the very next year this young man made exactly that amount of money. This is what we call the "Prosperity Gospel” and is a false doctrine because the focus shifts from caring for the poor to financial gain. 2 Nephi 26:31 teaches, “But the laborer in Zion shall labor for Zion; for if they labor for money they shall perish.”
It’s sad to me that the women leaders are the ones who seem to press this agenda the most. I suppose because they don’t have priesthood and don’t speak “officially” and so it seems less domineering or like “official” doctrine if they do it. Easier to disavow if people don’t like it/tie it to money pandering.
Re: What is your opinion about the current apostles?
Posted: October 7th, 2023, 2:20 pm
by HeberC
fractal_light_harvest wrote: ↑October 7th, 2023, 11:45 am
The one talk from Holland that really got to me was where he said that if the BoM is true, then it must all be true. That is completely and utterly false.
Yes. I fell for that and believed all the @#!!$#!% coming from the top. I was a young adult when I was baptized. The Holy Ghost testified to me to join the church so I assumed everything I was fed was true. SWK caused me to believe the atonement didn't apply to me and he caused me to doubt the Holy Ghost.
If I were to give the general authorities the benefit of the doubt, I would believe that they are 'doing their best'. What's wrong with that? When you are 'doing your best', you are following your own agenda. To follow Christ is to follow HIS agenda and follow Him 100%. There is no room for "yeah, but..".
Oh, and do you remember an apostle who said in Conference that the Second Comforter is the Holy Ghost? Guess what... he denied the Christ when he said that.
