LDS Freedom Forum

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:43 am

Christianlee wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:33 am I think most of them are well-educated corporate men who have learned that compliance is more acceptable than questioning the societal status quo of 2022.

Acceptable to who, the devil? Remember Captain Moroni and Pahoran... another lesson from the BoM that the LDS org has learned nothing about.

You would think we would hear from them loud and clear condemning drag queen events for children, but I am not hearing that. Utah fathers in droves should be showing up protesting the events and getting them taken down. It wasn’t that long ago that that would be the reaction. The Q15 are being led rather than leading.

Christianlee wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:49 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:43 am

Christianlee wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:33 am I think most of them are well-educated corporate men who have learned that compliance is more acceptable than questioning the societal status quo of 2022.

Acceptable to who, the devil? Remember Captain Moroni and Pahoran... another lesson from the BoM that the LDS org has learned nothing about.

You would think we would hear from them loud and clear condemning drag queen events for children, but I am not hearing that. Utah fathers in droves should be showing up protesting the events and getting them taken down. It wasn’t that long ago that that would be the reaction. The Q15 are being led rather than leading.

In fact true apostles might be showing up at drag queen events for kids calling for repentance.

BenMcCrea wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 12:45 am

Mindfields wrote: ↑August 31st, 2022, 12:31 pm That not a single one of them is an apostle of Jesus Christ. They are however Mormon apostles.

They are all Apostles of Jesus Christ. They can all claim their line of Apostolic authority back to him.

Whether they are effective or true to the Lord - only they know that.

This made me think of the old Disney movie 'Pete's Dragon' and the bad guys singing a song about having a bill of sale, waving the piece of paper around triumphantly as if it gave them the right to claim whatever they wanted. "We got a bill of sale right here that says he belongs to us! We got a bill of sale right here and we own the little cuss!"

Super obscure reference; I apologize for my weird sense of humor

Redpilled Mormon wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 4:53 pm

BenMcCrea wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 12:45 am

Mindfields wrote: ↑August 31st, 2022, 12:31 pm That not a single one of them is an apostle of Jesus Christ. They are however Mormon apostles.

They are all Apostles of Jesus Christ. They can all claim their line of Apostolic authority back to him.

Whether they are effective or true to the Lord - only they know that.

This made me think of the old Disney movie 'Pete's Dragon' and the bad guys singing a song about having a bill of sale, waving the piece of paper around triumphantly as if it gave them the right to claim whatever they wanted. "We got a bill of sale right here that says he belongs to us! We got a bill of sale right here and we own the little cuss!"

Super obscure reference; I apologize for my weird sense of humor

I remember that. They use their bill of sale to treat him like a slave.

A different issue, but you reminded me of this.

https://carrierpigeon.news/2021/11/18/e ... on-satire/

Qlitewski wrote: ↑August 30th, 2022, 10:30 pm What is your opinion about the current apostles?

the same it's always been -
my opinion is - that THEY have no opinion.
That is - the Q15 - (or more commonly known in Isaiah as - The Drunkards of Ephraim - Isa.28)
speak as one voice, and that voice is - whatever Nelson says.
And for any of them to speak out contrary to Nelson, or oppose him,
they know it would mean to be disgraced and excommunicated.

blitzinstripes wrote: ↑August 31st, 2022, 7:23 pm My opinion is there's going to be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth in SLC when the Servant cleanses the temple and puts the Lord's house back in order. I pray I live to see that day and to see the redemption of Zion and the coming of the Lord.

Moroni already landed his instrument when struck by a 5.7 magnitude earthquake.

The temple thing isn't what it's cracked up to be.

Spoiler

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 4th, 2019, 4:17 pm
... absolute knowledge.

The Spirit has revealed many details to me about how Joseph Smith started the Church. The "angel" that brought the "gold plates" was Parley P. Pratt. The "angel" that "took the gold plates away" was Parley P. Pratt. The "angel" that "brought the gold plates back a year later" was Parley P. Pratt. Parley had a wagon route that he made every year. It went from around Palmyra to Sandusky, Ohio every year. The gold plates was a manuscript that Parley had on his wagon ...

quite the echo chamber in here...

Jason wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:45 pm quite the echo chamber in here...

the crescendo is building and not just on this site.

FrankOne wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 10:33 pm

Jason wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:45 pm quite the echo chamber in here...

the crescendo is building and not just on this site.

yeah things are changing fast...figure we are 12 months or sooner from full on economic meltdown...at least Europe is ahead of us by 6 months or more...

Disclaimer: no crystal ball but no shortage of guesses...however educated or not...and definitely not Seekins accuracy...

Jason wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:45 pm quite the echo chamber in here...

Almost as cacophonous as a fast and testimony meeting.

Jason wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 10:46 pm

FrankOne wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 10:33 pm

Jason wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:45 pm quite the echo chamber in here...

the crescendo is building and not just on this site.

yeah things are changing fast...figure we are 12 months or sooner from full on economic meltdown...at least Europe is ahead of us by 6 months or more...

Disclaimer: no crystal ball but no shortage of guesses...however educated or not...and definitely not Seekins accuracy...

It depends which part of Europe you are in. It isn't all collapsing at the same rate. Some places like Greece have never recovered from the last meltdown, Germany will be in for a nasty shock, and France will strike and riot a lot, but then again they always have!!!

Jason wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:45 pm quite the echo chamber in here...

Didn’t you just say that?

Qlitewski wrote: ↑August 30th, 2022, 10:30 pm What is your opinion about the current apostles?

That they ain't.

Sir H

I don't know who most of the "Apostles" are and I've learned to ignore them. Shopping malls, iFit Apostle, gigantic stock portfolios, the Godsend... are not the fruits of true Prophets. It's time to let go.

Isaiah 3

12) As for my people, babes subject them;
women wield authority over them.
O my people, your leaders mislead you,
abolishing your traditional ways.

13) Jehovah will take a stand and contend with them;
he has arisen to judge the nations.

14) He will bring to trial the elders of his people
and their rulers, and say to them,
It is you who have devoured the vineyard;
you fill your houses by depriving the needy.

15) What do you mean by oppressing my people,
humbling the faces of the poor?
says Jehovah of Hosts.

Mike Maillet
Ingleside, Ontario

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 8:35 pm

blitzinstripes wrote: ↑August 31st, 2022, 7:23 pm My opinion is there's going to be a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth in SLC when the Servant cleanses the temple and puts the Lord's house back in order. I pray I live to see that day and to see the redemption of Zion and the coming of the Lord.

Moroni already landed his instrument when struck by a 5.7 magnitude earthquake.

The temple thing isn't what it's cracked up to be.

Spoiler

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 4th, 2019, 4:17 pm
... absolute knowledge.

The Spirit has revealed many details to me about how Joseph Smith started the Church. The "angel" that brought the "gold plates" was Parley P. Pratt. The "angel" that "took the gold plates away" was Parley P. Pratt. The "angel" that "brought the gold plates back a year later" was Parley P. Pratt. Parley had a wagon route that he made every year. It went from around Palmyra to Sandusky, Ohio every year. The gold plates was a manuscript that Parley had on his wagon ...

You and Sherwin been drinking some mighty strong Kool aid over there, bud. Thanks for the entertainment value.

Really? Hmmm. I know very few people who had faith during the plandemic. You ain’t one of them.
And we’re supposed to believe the story that you were on a free falling airplane cool as a cucumber while everybody else freaked out. Uh huh. Sure.

The "leaders," of the churcb are completely irrelevant to me. They are frauds. They really are on the same level of a Jimmy Swaggart. Televangelists. They get up on stage and tell you to keep sowing your "faith seed," by sending your money to them. I told my wife that the drunk homeless man on the street can tell you more about God and Christ than anynof these clowns if suits can.

762X545 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:59 am The "leaders," of the churcb are completely irrelevant to me. They are frauds. They really are on the same level of a Jimmy Swaggart. Televangelists. They get up on stage and tell you to keep sowing your "faith seed," by sending your money to them. I told my wife that the drunk homeless man on the street can tell you more about God and Christ than anynof these clowns if suits can.

Not long ago I would have strongly disagreed w/ you on this matter of faith and money. We have a great ability to lump multiple philosophies together, piggybacking on a true principle. (E.g. the BoM and the “church” are true) The following story from Wendy Nelson just makes me cringe today and how manipulative she is:

While traveling with her husband, Sister Wendy Nelson spoke to the young single adults in a church-wide broadcast. She told them, “When we're desperate to have more money, we eagerly follow the Lord's law of finances. Which is, of course, tithing.” She then related a story of how a young family was paying way more tithing than their income. The bishop asked why and the young father responded, "Oh, I'm not paying on what I make, I'm paying on what I want to make." She concluded the story by stating that the very next year this young man made exactly that amount of money. This is what we call the "Prosperity Gospel” and is a false doctrine because the focus shifts from caring for the poor to financial gain. 2 Nephi 26:31 teaches, “But the laborer in Zion shall labor for Zion; for if they labor for money they shall perish.”

Jason wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:45 pm quite the echo chamber in here...

Perhaps it's just gotten so obvious at this point? Their fruits are laid bare before everyone to see.

If you'll remember from just a few years ago, I was one of those sticking up for these dudes and shaming anyone daring to question anything.

Ancient prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc truly did speak about these men. Book of Mormon prophets spoke about these men. The Lord Himself in D&C 101 spoke about these men. And none of it was good.

Mamabear wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 6:31 am 5F8F55FF-5CC7-4C6D-91AE-4BBFFE0BF726.jpeg

Really? Hmmm. I know very few people who had faith during the plandemic. You ain’t one of them.
And we’re supposed to believe the story that you were on a free falling airplane cool as a cucumber while everybody else freaked out. Uh huh. Sure.

he travels with lots of guns/bodyguards and masks. A little known fact is that he remains confident through all of this because he has prophets that he follows as well.

edit: my mistake, I misspelled it . Profits.

Niemand wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 2:54 am

Jason wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 10:46 pm

FrankOne wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 10:33 pm

Jason wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:45 pm quite the echo chamber in here...

the crescendo is building and not just on this site.

yeah things are changing fast...figure we are 12 months or sooner from full on economic meltdown...at least Europe is ahead of us by 6 months or more...

Disclaimer: no crystal ball but no shortage of guesses...however educated or not...and definitely not Seekins accuracy...

It depends which part of Europe you are in. It isn't all collapsing at the same rate. Some places like Greece have never recovered from the last meltdown, Germany will be in for a nasty shock, and France will strike and riot a lot, but then again they always have!!!

Germany & UK leading the charge down the spiral...

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 8:36 am

Jason wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 9:45 pm quite the echo chamber in here...

Perhaps it's just gotten so obvious at this point? Their fruits are laid bare before everyone to see.

If you'll remember from just a few years ago, I was one of those sticking up for these dudes and shaming anyone daring to question anything.

Ancient prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc truly did speak about these men. Book of Mormon prophets spoke about these men. The Lord Himself in D&C 101 spoke about these men. And none of it was good.

...sorry...my memory isn't that good...

Jason wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 3:59 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 2:54 am

Jason wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 10:46 pm

FrankOne wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 10:33 pm

the crescendo is building and not just on this site.

yeah things are changing fast...figure we are 12 months or sooner from full on economic meltdown...at least Europe is ahead of us by 6 months or more...

Disclaimer: no crystal ball but no shortage of guesses...however educated or not...and definitely not Seekins accuracy...

It depends which part of Europe you are in. It isn't all collapsing at the same rate. Some places like Greece have never recovered from the last meltdown, Germany will be in for a nasty shock, and France will strike and riot a lot, but then again they always have!!!

Germany & UK leading the charge down the spiral...

Despite all the sensationalism, the UK is nowhere near the bottom. Portugal and Greece have lost out big time and the Polish boom is now over.

The Balts are also paying for restrictive rules and picking a fight with Russia.

Niemand wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 4:07 pm

Jason wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 3:59 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2022, 2:54 am

Jason wrote: ↑September 2nd, 2022, 10:46 pm

yeah things are changing fast...figure we are 12 months or sooner from full on economic meltdown...at least Europe is ahead of us by 6 months or more...

Disclaimer: no crystal ball but no shortage of guesses...however educated or not...and definitely not Seekins accuracy...

It depends which part of Europe you are in. It isn't all collapsing at the same rate. Some places like Greece have never recovered from the last meltdown, Germany will be in for a nasty shock, and France will strike and riot a lot, but then again they always have!!!

Germany & UK leading the charge down the spiral...

Despite all the sensationalism, the UK is nowhere near the bottom. Portugal and Greece have lost out big time and the Polish boom is now over.

The Balts are also paying for restrictive rules and picking a fight with Russia.

well I don't have feet on the ground there...and my approach/outlook for the most part is purely economic....

...but UK doesn't look that far away from collapse economically...and judging on their flagship aircraft carrier performance...it rolls over into other realms as well...

...and Portugal and Greece are in the noise in terms of major European players on that stage....

...an oldie but goodie...
https://www.docdroid.net/lWHndCc/howard ... 0-1976-pdf