Another Black (!?!) Eye For BYU

[Lizzy60]

More bad news for the church via BYU ——

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/col ... 95149.html

At a Duke vs BYU women’s volleyball match, a fan hollered “n-g-er” at one of the Duke players several times during the game. He was in the student section, and none of the students did anything. Neither did anyone else. It was only after the game that BYU officials, upon complaints and outrage from Duke, decided to take action.

For every step forward the FP and Q12 have tried to gain in proving the church is no longer racist (millions to NAACP, anyone?) BYU just kicked them all the way back down the hill.

Why didn’t the two people standing next to the jerk, along with the two people standing behind him, just physically take his elbows and escort him from the stands at the first utterance of the slur. Cowards. Instead they just let him continue, probably thinking it was funny.

[Mamabear]

Russell will hold a press conference….Time to up the payments to naacp.

[Fred]

If someone called me a cracker or honky, it would not upset me in the slightest. I have been called those things way back in the day when I lived around those type of people. I've even been called the short gray haired crippled guy by white folk. Big deal. Sometimes I am the only one in town so people know who they are talking about.

One time I was in the store and wanted a can I couldn't reach. There was a tall guy nearby so I said "Hey tall guy can you reach that for me?" He wasn't offended and grabbed it for me.

I don't think people ought to say derogatory things to other people, but if they do, it's only words. It's not like they hit you with a baseball bat. Get over it.

Saying "Ouch! My feelings hurt" doesn't help. Being rude back doesn't help either. The people that just ignored the remarks probably did the best thing. Sure, they could have grabbed the guy and assaulted him. Maybe just a STFU would be sufficient.

The N word is more of an action than a skin color.

Making something of themselves seems like a better tactic than being offended.

[cab]

More bad news for the church via BYU ——

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/col ... 95149.html

At a Duke vs BYU women’s volleyball match, a fan hollered “n-g-er” at one of the Duke players several times during the game. He was in the student section, and none of the students did anything. Neither did anyone else. It was only after the game that BYU officials, upon complaints and outrage from Duke, decided to take action.

For every step forward the FP and Q12 have tried to gain in proving the church is no longer racist (millions to NAACP, anyone?) BYU just kicked them all the way back down the hill.

Why didn’t the two people standing next to the jerk, along with the two people standing behind him, just physically take his elbows and escort him from the stands at the first utterance of the slur. Cowards. Instead they just let him continue, probably thinking it was funny.

I see what you did there

[Ebenezer]

This might have really happened. But it probably didn’t. Unless I’m missing all the cell phone videos of the incident that must exist?

[Fred]

Rachel Richardson, a sophomore on Duke's volleyball team, said this:

https://i.redd.it/bl2o0r0fpik91.jpg
If you click on it, it gets large enough to read.

[Ebenezer]

Red flags abound.
https://twitter.com/zigmanfreud/status/ ... cs16kPILdw

[GeeR]

Sticks and stones will break your bones but names can never hurt you.

[Chip]

Do you want to see some crazy over-the-top public racism? Watch this black NBA player step off a bus in China:

Just watch the first 60 seconds of the video.

[harakim]

Western Europe and North America are the least racist countries in the world.

[Niemand]

You should hear some of the things crowds at soccer matches shout/sing at each other etc, they make this sound tame.

Some of them make hissing sounds at Tottenham Hotspur FC, who are also nicknamed "the Yids", because they've traditionally had a lot of Jewish fans. This is supposed to sound like poison gas going into a chamber.

Glasgow Rangers sing about being "up to their knees in Fenian blood" to Glasgow Celtic fans. Fenian referring to Irish Catholics here, or Irish Republicans (Celtic fans in term LARP as supporters of IRA terrorism).

You can hear all kinds of things at football matches - references to sex with animals, incest, disabilities of various kinds etc. Players can get sharpened objects thrown at them slashing their faces, sent bullets in the post, and in the case of black players there were bananas chucked at them occasionally.

In cricket there used to be something called "sledging" I believe where players try and put each other off their game by saying nasty things to each other. I don't know if it's still allowed.

"Nigger" seems tame compared to this.

Sticks and stones will break your bones but names can never hurt you.

I don't consider this incident anything as hurtful as this, but... I've never considered this statement to be true.

Children often come out with this saying. The reality is far different. A bone breakage hurts far more in the short term, but heals up. Name calling can affect someone for a lifetime. Sometimes some of us can roll with the punches, but a well aimed verbal jab can sometimes stay with us.

Earlier this year I had to talk someone out of suicide because he felt worthless — the root of this seems to have been things that his father had said to him repeatedly as a small child, such as telling him that he would never amount to anything or find a wife. It is a shame, because I like the man, and all our mutual friends agree that he is a good person... some women tell me they find him attractive, but he struggles to shake all this off.

By the way, I think Black Lives Matter has set black people back by years in some respects but that's another issue.

[MikeMaillet]

One possibility is that the person who yelled out the obscenity was paid to do this. A huge percentage of news stories seem designed to stir up racial hatred. It's a possibility. It is nevertheless sad that no one intervened.

Mike Maillet
Ingleside, Ontario

[madvin]

One possibility is that the person who yelled out the obscenity was paid to do this. A huge percentage of news stories seem designed to stir up racial hatred. It's a possibility. It is nevertheless sad that no one intervened.

Mike Maillet
Ingleside, Ontario

It's possible that this never happened either.

-Story broke in a tweet from “Godmom” who was apparently not there & is running for political office
-Duke lost the game in front of a sold-out crowd
-0 video of ANYTHING
-Racist not ID’d in ANY way

[gradles21]

Two reasons why there's no way this happened 1) BYU students are soft and woke and would have went running to security if anyone was saying something racial to her. 2) I've played a lot of competitive volleyball and I know the volleyball types, both players and fans, these are not the type of people that would ever drop the N-word in public, not a chance. This would only ever happen at a basketball or football game, and probably not even then. No one would yell racial slurs at the pretty black girl on the Duke volleyball team.

[Subcomandante]

More bad news for the church via BYU ——

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/col ... 95149.html

At a Duke vs BYU women’s volleyball match, a fan hollered “n-g-er” at one of the Duke players several times during the game. He was in the student section, and none of the students did anything. Neither did anyone else. It was only after the game that BYU officials, upon complaints and outrage from Duke, decided to take action.

For every step forward the FP and Q12 have tried to gain in proving the church is no longer racist (millions to NAACP, anyone?) BYU just kicked them all the way back down the hill.

Why didn’t the two people standing next to the jerk, along with the two people standing behind him, just physically take his elbows and escort him from the stands at the first utterance of the slur. Cowards. Instead they just let him continue, probably thinking it was funny.

At a FIFA international match, where the crowd noise is definitely louder than that exhibited at the Smith Fieldhouse, if someone is caught monkey chanting or saying any chant that could be interpreted as a gay slur, the match is stopped until they find the perp monkey chanting or gay bashing. The officials are even allowed to call the game off if the monkey chanting continues.

(In Europe and Latin America, monkey chanting is essentially the same as what happened to the Duke player at BYU).

[Subcomandante]

One possibility is that the person who yelled out the obscenity was paid to do this. A huge percentage of news stories seem designed to stir up racial hatred. It's a possibility. It is nevertheless sad that no one intervened.

Mike Maillet
Ingleside, Ontario

It's possible that this never happened either.

-Story broke in a tweet from “Godmom” who was apparently not there & is running for political office
-Duke lost the game in front of a sold-out crowd
-0 video of ANYTHING
-Racist not ID’d in ANY way

According to the BYU statement, the person was not only ID'd, but BANNED from any future athletic matches that BYU participates in. They even moved the venue for the other games that were being played.

[Subcomandante]

You should hear some of the things crowds at soccer matches shout/sing at each other etc, they make this sound tame.

Some of them make hissing sounds at Tottenham Hotspur FC, who are also nicknamed "the Yids", because they've traditionally had a lot of Jewish fans. This is supposed to sound like poison gas going into a chamber.

Glasgow Rangers sing about being "up to their knees in Fenian blood" to Glasgow Celtic fans. Fenian referring to Irish Catholics here, or Irish Republicans (Celtic fans in term LARP as supporters of IRA terrorism).

You can hear all kinds of things at football matches - references to sex with animals, incest, disabilities of various kinds etc. Players can get sharpened objects thrown at them slashing their faces, sent bullets in the post, and in the case of black players there were bananas chucked at them occasionally.

In cricket there used to be something called "sledging" I believe where players try and put each other off their game by saying nasty things to each other. I don't know if it's still allowed.

"Nigger" seems tame compared to this.

Sticks and stones will break your bones but names can never hurt you.

I don't consider this incident anything as hurtful as this, but... I've never considered this statement to be true.

Children often come out with this saying. The reality is far different. A bone breakage hurts far more in the short term, but heals up. Name calling can affect someone for a lifetime. Sometimes some of us can roll with the punches, but a well aimed verbal jab can sometimes stay with us.

Earlier this year I had to talk someone out of suicide because he felt worthless — the root of this seems to have been things that his father had said to him repeatedly as a small child, such as telling him that he would never amount to anything or find a wife. It is a shame, because I like the man, and all our mutual friends agree that he is a good person... some women tell me they find him attractive, but he struggles to shake all this off.

By the way, I think Black Lives Matter has set black people back by years in some respects but that's another issue.

Yeah I've seen some Brits chanting stuff at football matches that would be considered out of the pale for American fans. You see similar stuff down in Argentina, Brazil, and to a lesser degree, Mexico.

I think this video shows that very well (Warning: NSFW for repeated vulgarities)

[HVDC]

Like the other thing that cannot be questioned.

It isn't important if something happened the way someone remembers.

Or even if it never happened at all.

What does matter.

Is that if someone thinks it happened.

It is the same as if it actually did.

Because the unspeakable damage that hearing a word can cause.

Occurrs either way.

Challenging someone's version of events.

Is only compounding the irreparable damage.

It's as though.

You become guilty of committing the original offence.

Whether it happened or not.

And made it happen.

How dare you!

Truth Bigot.

Sir H

[Ebenezer]

BYU banned somebody. Maybe. And with no proof that that person was guilty of anything.

[Chip]

BYU banned somebody. Maybe. And with no proof that that person was guilty of anything.

Bolshevism.

[Serragon]

The church/BYU reaction to this incident has been a great example of how the church has adopted collectivist ideology and is right in line with COVID, global citizens, etc.

First, we need to keep in perspective what actually happened. A distasteful word was said by 1 person in a crowd of 5000+ people. But by the reaction you would think that something of titanic proportions had occurred.

Second, it is important to understand that young people today aren't really racist. When they say something like this it is because they know it is the most powerful thing they can say to get under someone's skin. The over the top reaction is what gives these words power. There isn't anything this person could have said that would have had more disruptive power.

My family and I tuned in to watch the replay of the BYU/WSU game yesterday. Instead of the game starting, we were treated to a recorded statement by the announcer with goofy hair about the incident and BYU's response. In the statement, he said that they had identified the culprit who was not a student and banned them for life from attending any BYU athletic events. Seems rather harsh for a church/school that focuses on tolerance, love, and the divine nature of human beings to give the death penalty to someone with no chance of redemption. But the culprit was dealt with, and that should have been the end of the story.

But because BYU/Church has bought into the collectivist and intersectional nonsense, instead of this being the end of the story it is just the beginning. Because this is now an opportunity for BYU/Church to put on some theater for their peers and the audience they truly fear and respect.

So the goofy haired guy starts lecturing my family and I and everyone else watching the game about how this cannot happen and that we need to be better. Why am I getting lectured? The person who did it has already been caught. Why do the thousands watching the broadcast need to be lectured by this idiot about how they need to be better when they havent' actually done anything wrong? The answer is that this isn't really about stopping racism, it is about putting on a show for the intersectionalists in power. I have to be punished so BYU/Church can look like they care more about this issue then anyone else. The individual once again sacrificed for the collective by the church.

Then I am told that the Athletic Director gave a speech to the audience before the game. Same idea. Can't happen. Be better. And once again the audience of entirely innocent people is castigated and treated as racist perpetrators because one person who was not a student decided to say a distasteful word. They all must be punished so that the church/school can look good to their peers. More theater.

Then I find out that Duke decided to play their last game of the tournament at a local high school gym instead of the BYU gym. Even though the culprit had been apprehended and punished, it seems that it was just too risky and dangerous for this team of strong, powerful, intelligent, resilient, better than men at everything women to play a game with a crowd present in the same gym where a word was said by one person. You see, Duke couldn't allow themselves to be out-theatered by BYU in this whole thing. Duke is the victim, and Duke must win the competition for leftist theater. So they take the ridiculous position that they can't play in the gym, and BYU must consent and take second place in the woke theater olympics.

None of this is actually about ending racism. None is about justice. It is all about taking an event and leveraging it to the fullest. It is about collectivist and tribal ideology. It is about putting on the best passion play for your leftist peers. Just like masks. Just like shots. Just like photo ops with the NAACP. Just like acceptance of homosexuality. Just like good global citizens.

[madvin]

The church/BYU reaction to this incident has been a great example of how the church has adopted collectivist ideology and is right in line with COVID, global citizens, etc.

First, we need to keep in perspective what actually happened. A distasteful word was said by 1 person in a crowd of 5000+ people. But by the reaction you would think that something of titanic proportions had occurred.

Second, it is important to understand that young people today aren't really racist. When they say something like this it is because they know it is the most powerful thing they can say to get under someone's skin. The over the top reaction is what gives these words power. There isn't anything this person could have said that would have had more disruptive power.

My family and I tuned in to watch the replay of the BYU/WSU game yesterday. Instead of the game starting, we were treated to a recorded statement by the announcer with goofy hair about the incident and BYU's response. In the statement, he said that they had identified the culprit who was not a student and banned them for life from attending any BYU athletic events. Seems rather harsh for a church/school that focuses on tolerance, love, and the divine nature of human beings to give the death penalty to someone with no chance of redemption. But the culprit was dealt with, and that should have been the end of the story.

But because BYU/Church has bought into the collectivist and intersectional nonsense, instead of this being the end of the story it is just the beginning. Because this is now an opportunity for BYU/Church to put on some theater for their peers and the audience they truly fear and respect.

So the goofy haired guy starts lecturing my family and I and everyone else watching the game about how this cannot happen and that we need to be better. Why am I getting lectured? The person who did it has already been caught. Why do the thousands watching the broadcast need to be lectured by this idiot about how they need to be better when they havent' actually done anything wrong? The answer is that this isn't really about stopping racism, it is about putting on a show for the intersectionalists in power. I have to be punished so BYU/Church can look like they care more about this issue then anyone else. The individual once again sacrificed for the collective by the church.

Then I am told that the Athletic Director gave a speech to the audience before the game. Same idea. Can't happen. Be better. And once again the audience of entirely innocent people is castigated and treated as racist perpetrators because one person who was not a student decided to say a distasteful word. They all must be punished so that the church/school can look good to their peers. More theater.

Then I find out that Duke decided to play their last game of the tournament at a local high school gym instead of the BYU gym. Even though the culprit had been apprehended and punished, it seems that it was just too risky and dangerous for this team of strong, powerful, intelligent, resilient, better than men at everything women to play a game with a crowd present in the same gym where a word was said by one person. You see, Duke couldn't allow themselves to be out-theatered by BYU in this whole thing. Duke is the victim, and Duke must win the competition for leftist theater. So they take the ridiculous position that they can't play in the gym, and BYU must consent and take second place in the woke theater olympics.

None of this is actually about ending racism. None is about justice. It is all about taking an event and leveraging it to the fullest. It is about collectivist and tribal ideology. It is about putting on the best passion play for your leftist peers. Just like masks. Just like shots. Just like photo ops with the NAACP. Just like acceptance of homosexuality. Just like good global citizens.

Could not agree more. It seems there are a few unforgivable sins that are so egregious that they must ban the perpetrator to outer darkness...to make themselves feel better and superior I think... even if it didn't happen.

[endlessQuestions]

More bad news for the church via BYU ——

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/col ... 95149.html

At a Duke vs BYU women’s volleyball match, a fan hollered “n-g-er” at one of the Duke players several times during the game. He was in the student section, and none of the students did anything. Neither did anyone else. It was only after the game that BYU officials, upon complaints and outrage from Duke, decided to take action.

For every step forward the FP and Q12 have tried to gain in proving the church is no longer racist (millions to NAACP, anyone?) BYU just kicked them all the way back down the hill.

Why didn’t the two people standing next to the jerk, along with the two people standing behind him, just physically take his elbows and escort him from the stands at the first utterance of the slur. Cowards. Instead they just let him continue, probably thinking it was funny.

Because that’s assault, that’s why. Nobody has the right to physically manhandle another person because of what they’re *saying*.

This site is coming unglued. The hand wringing, lack of logic, and over emotional reactions are, frankly, a bit disturbing. It almost feels like a coordinated movement… but I’m conspiratorially minded, so that’s just how I think.

[Chip]

More bad news for the church via BYU ——

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/col ... 95149.html

At a Duke vs BYU women’s volleyball match, a fan hollered “n-g-er” at one of the Duke players several times during the game. He was in the student section, and none of the students did anything. Neither did anyone else. It was only after the game that BYU officials, upon complaints and outrage from Duke, decided to take action.

For every step forward the FP and Q12 have tried to gain in proving the church is no longer racist (millions to NAACP, anyone?) BYU just kicked them all the way back down the hill.

Why didn’t the two people standing next to the jerk, along with the two people standing behind him, just physically take his elbows and escort him from the stands at the first utterance of the slur. Cowards. Instead they just let him continue, probably thinking it was funny.

Because that’s assault, that’s why. Nobody has the right to physically manhandle another person because of what they’re *saying*.

This site is coming unglued. The hand wringing, lack of logic, and over emotional reactions are, frankly, a bit disturbing. It almost feels like a coordinated movement… but I’m conspiratorially minded, so that’s just how I think.

Right. A lot of people these days have been programmed to suppose that speech can practically constitute a capital offense. This is certainly what Satan wants, because it contributes to a chaotic environment. If you want to go along with that kind of thinking, you are not suited to liberty. It seems to me that ALL the people that are in favor of such madness are VAXXED and they all have a sword hanging over their head now that they are not aware of.

I remember Anne Barnhardt saying how she believed that someday in America, people would actually be put to death for "offending" others. That's where this is leading to. Do you think if the person at the game was some urine-stinking homeless interloper that anyone would have even cared? No, they would have ignored him. This is all about snaring normal people for ignoring their rules. Plenty of useful idiots help feed the frenzy.

Here is Anne's page today. Compare this to our prophets:

https://www.barnhardt.biz/2022/08/29/st ... g-edition/

[Lexew1899]

Video or it is fake news.