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I went to the doctor today because I have had bad foot pain for five weeks now and I wanted his help. He decided it was gout and gave me a prescription. I know what gout is and this isn't it.

Then, he wanted to schedule me for a colonoscopy and to give me a shingles vaccine. I have lost all faith in medicine. I've never had a problem with shingles and I'm reluctant to get it, and I do not want a colonoscopy.

Now, I have gotten multiple text from my doctor's office offering me this or that. I don't want a doctor that is so involved in my life that I get all kinds of unsolicited texts and messages. Imagine if your car mechanic had such a close relationship with you?

Has anyone gotten the shingles vaccine and would you recommend it?

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I almost never hand out my number to companies or whatever. My medical surgery hasn't got my number. My dentist and chiropractor do, but not my general practioner. (We have socialised medicine here so the tendency is towards them saving money - at least at this end, rather than getting people to buy something.)

My local surgery has half a dozen doctors in it. There used to be a decent old school doctor in there when I first signed up to it. He was no nonsense and knew how to talk to you. The current ones are patronising and I wouldn't recognise any of them.

They wrote to me twice trying to persuade me to take the wretched shots. I didn't ŕeply. I know if I did I would just get a scripted reply and considered a nutter for complaining.

It is very hard for me to think exactly what my doctor has done for me in recent years. I haven't set foot in there for seven or eight years. I have had some medical treatments but some of them like the chiropractor are nothing to do with him. They advertise on the TV etc saying if you find a lump on your body, you're to report it. Well, I have done two or three times and they say they can do nothing about it and they're all benign. One of them is a synovial cyst I still have twenty years later. Every time tell me they can do nothing for me each time I go in.

Basically our healthcare here is mostly Accident and Emergency. Unless your limbs are hanging off, or you're a danger to yourself or others, they're not interested. My surgery is full of old people. They can't even set up repeating monthly appointments (which I had to do some years ago.) If you need help or advice, you have to phone up now and you'll get a better response.

About the nearest was when I was in the Republic of Ireland a few years ago and had persistent stomach trouble for two or three weeks and had to get that sorted before I travelled back to Scotland. All the rest gets dealt with elsewhere.

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mes5464 wrote: August 19th, 2022, 12:36 pm I went to the doctor today because I have had bad foot pain for five weeks now and I wanted his help. He decided it was gout and gave me a prescription. I know what gout is and this isn't it.

Then, he wanted to schedule me for a colonoscopy and to give me a shingles vaccine. I have lost all faith in medicine. I've never had a problem with shingles and I'm reluctant to get it, and I do not want a colonoscopy.

Now, I have gotten multiple text from my doctor's office offering me this or that. I don't want a doctor that is so involved in my life that I get all kinds of unsolicited texts and messages. Imagine if your car mechanic had such a close relationship with you?

Has anyone gotten the shingles vaccine and would you recommend it?
No, but I would still not recommend it.

I personally know several people who got the shingles vaxx who still got shingles.

Of course, they said it was less severe because of it 🙄

I had a mild case of shingles.

I thought it was spider bites.

Refused to take any of their prescriptions for it.

Was basically told if I didn't take the antiviral I would regret it.

Went away on its own in a couple of weeks.

Still not regretting it.

Ultimately.

Your decision.

And I would get a new doctor.

A Holistic one if possible.

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Doctors recommend the roto rooter job to get more money. Just ask your doctor if he thinks a mask stops covid and you will know instantly if you should get away from him as fast as you can.

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P.s. The funny thing is that when I was younger I respected doctors and knew some respectable ones. Now the whole thing is impersonal and the pastoral/caring side has been removed. I occasionally get trouble with something but it is pointless going in.

I have had minor balance and ear problems before. I got them again in 2021 - I no longer wear ear buds because of this. You're talking about dizziness enough to flatten me on my bed when I'm lying down.

I decided to go through it without their help. It cleared up as quickly as when I went to them years ago with this. I don't get flu jabs anymore, and seem to get flu less than when I did.

I've also staved a finger a few months ago. I still get twinges off it, but I doubt it would heal up any quicker if i went to them.

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Fred wrote: August 19th, 2022, 12:56 pm Doctors recommend the roto rooter job to get more money. Just ask your doctor if he thinks a mask stops covid and you will know instantly if you should get away from him as fast as you can.
I keep getting asked to get the colonoscopy.

Cause I'm old.

And that's what old people do.

Apparently.

Nope.

I have no intention of doing cancer treatments even if they find something.

At some point.

Just leave stuff alone.

Might live longer.

People are shocked when I tell them this.

I don't understand why.

Like I said.

I'm old.

What difference does a few months or years either way make?

Sir H charges money to play with his butt. Not paying someone else to do it. JK

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Lost confidence in doctors when my son had an issue. They wanted to do surgery, throw meds costing thousands , saying he'll never get better. Did my research and went holistic and found alternatives. He lives a rather normal healthy life. Better than what they could offer.

As for flu shots, shingles shots, nope not getting them

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I wouldn't get the shingles shot. I would work on strengthening my immune system naturally to prevent/fight it.

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Our insurance agent had a colonoscopy in his late 60s. His colon was punctured and he has been on medication ever since. The older a person gets the thinner the colon walls get. They always remove polyps, but my next one isn’t due until I am 72. I plan on skipping it.

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my mom got the shingles shot and then got shingles.

When I nearly ripped my finger off in a logging accident, I had to go to the ER for stitches - I wouldn't have gone but my finger was hanging halfway off at the last joint. Anyway, they stitched it up fine (ER doctors are the only doctors I would halfway trust these days), but I had to go back to my regular doctor to get the stitches removed a few weeks later. I tried to pull them out myself, but they had knotted them in such a way I couldn't pull them out - anyway, my regular doctor checked my chart and tried to get me to take the Tetanus shot, which I don't totally disagree with, but I knew I had recently got it (about 6 years prior), most studies show it's good for 10 years; some studies show you only need it once, since it's a bacteria that doesn't evolve like a virus does, so I said no thanks. Nurse came in next, pressuring me to get it. No thanks. Doctor came back in, pressured me some more, no thanks. He left me there for a while. When he came back, it was all pressure, and raising his voice at me, talking to me sternly, telling me how I could die a very painful death, blah blah blah. I countered with, "can you just remove the stitches, and I'll be on my way?"

Shocking. He was a member of the church, too. Anyway, fast forward to about 2 years ago - he went trans, now he's a Mrs., and is married to another dude that thinks' he's a misses as well (so he's gay), writes blogs about being trans and being mormon.

Think all the vaccines he was regularly getting, along with all the endocrine disrupting handsoap he was using all the time, or the "low fat / high carb + coke" USDA food pyramid had anything to do with it?

I do.

I only go to the hospital horizontally, is what I tell people. That finger accident was pretty bloody - I was bending my rules a bit, but my wife said I was white as a ghost from loss of blood, so I guess it was warranted. :)

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I’m alive today because of modern medicine. I’m grateful for it and there is a place for preventive care. However, it is a business, and doctors ultimately become stuck in the position of a salesmen for their employers protocols. I switched from a clinic doctor to a private practice doctor this year. I was tired of the non-symptom checklist that I got pressured on every visit, which I ultimately pay for (thanks Obamacare) through a high deductible plan. Wish I’d changed a long time ago.

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I would refuse. Imo, they just want your money and your compliance. When I cracked my ribs and sacrum (not tailbone, but the large bone that comprises the lower back), I didn't go to the hospital. My daughter helped me get to bed, and I was in agony for a few weeks (though pain pills sort of took the edge off) until she remembered that MSM was supposed to help heal bones, then I was just in pain . My healing took a jump after that, even though it was easily 4-6 months from hitting the ice to being restored.*

*Disclaimer: I am not dispensing medical advice. For myself, I mistrust the medical profession 100% (it was only 90% before cov insanity hit). You do you. You choose what you have a legal and God-given right to do.



Apparently, iatrogenesis (medical care caused) death is 3rd in the U.S., but 5th in the world.

From pubmed:
Your Health Care May Kill You: Medical Errors
Recent studies of medical errors have estimated errors may account for as many as 251,000 deaths annually in the United States (U.S)., making medical errors the third leading cause of death. Error rates are significantly higher in the U.S. than in other developed countries such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Germany and the United Kingdom (U.K). At the same time less than 10 percent of medical errors are reported.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28186008/

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Iatrogenesis is the fifth leading cause of death in the world. There are about 5%–8% of deaths due to ADRs worldwide[12]. In many countries, ADRs are a leading cause of death.[13] About 1.4 million patients are affected by the infections at any given time due to the healthcare system. In the developed countries, the toll is 5%–10% of patients while in developing countries “as many as a quarter of all patients may be affected by a healthcare-associated infection.”[14] A study conducted in 2005 established communication problem as the major cause of 70% of sentinel events in a hospital-like setting.
According to the World Health Organization (WHO), “Iatrogenesis is any noxious, unintended, and undesired effect of a drug, which occurs at doses used in humans for prophylaxis, diagnosis, or therapy.”[2] The Joint Commission on the Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations defines an ADR as an undesired effect of a medication that either increases toxicity, decreases desired therapeutic effect, or both.[3] The WHO defined iatrogenesis does not give a clear picture of ADRs. This definition does not include in it the therapeutic failures, intentional and accidental poisoning, drug abuse, incorrect drug administration, and noncompliance.[4] This definition also tends to underestimate ADRs and incidences such as diagnostic procedures which include mechanical and radiological procedures, the therapeutic regimen which includes drugs, surgery, and invasive procedures, hospitalization and treating doctor himself/herself is also not accounted for. That too can cause iatrogenic effects.
A study conducted by the WHO concluded that per capita medication usage was highest in the USA which exceeded Latin America and even Europe[16]. The report, compiled by (Life Extension Magazine) LEF estimates that every year in the USA, 2.2 million people experience ADRs and the death due to ADRs is 783,936. Although the USA spends 14% of its gross national product on healthcare yet, it is ironical that the American Medical System contributes to most of the deaths. The government-sanctioned medicine in the USA alone is responsible for 700,000 deaths every year.
The three quotes above are from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6060929/

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HVDC wrote: August 19th, 2022, 1:05 pm Sir H charges money to play with his butt.

:lol: Laughter is the best medicine, thanks.

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Personally know someone who contracted Shingles, got the jab for it and contracted it two more times!

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LostCreekAcres wrote: August 21st, 2022, 3:26 pm Personally know someone who contracted Shingles, got the jab for it and contracted it two more times!
Well that would be awful.....i got shingles on my face and it wasn't fun....i was told not to worry about the shingles vax by my doc....i do like my doctor who i only see maybe twice in five years....

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I've been to regular doctors 3x in 20 years. All 3 visits were pointless. I went to a naturopath, and he detected and fixed an issue I'd had for years that one of those regular doctors said was nothing. I think Western medicine has its place, but we have put it on far too high of a pedestal. Physician, heal thyself.

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thaabit wrote: August 21st, 2022, 4:33 pm I've been to regular doctors 3x in 20 years. All 3 visits were pointless. I went to a naturopath, and he detected and fixed an issue I'd had for years that one of those regular doctors said was nothing. I think Western medicine has its place, but we have put it on far too high of a pedestal. Physician, heal thyself.
I see it similarly.
Mostly when I’ve let doctors “practice” on me is when it’s mostly fool-proof - like getting blood work checked.


To OP, my dad got the shingles vaccine but got shingles anyway. I’m not sure about colonoscopy - if you have reason to check - might be worthwhile. I know someone who died from colon cancer.

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Maroriginal1 wrote: August 19th, 2022, 7:45 pm I was tired of the non-symptom checklist that I got pressured on every visit, which I ultimately pay for
The times I've been, they tell me to stop smoking, drinking, and lessen my tea and coffee. I point each time that I don't do these things, although one time they did that, it encouraged me back into the LDS and the WOW. My last cigarette was aged twelve or thirteen - I never enjoyed them.

And also lose weight - their one good piece of advice although they are short on groundbreaking suggestions as to how I do that. Nothing I couldn't hear elsewhere

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" “The Duke University School of Medicine — ranked number six in the country — boasts that it has been “nationally recognized for its commitment to equity, diversity, and inclusion.” In an essay prompt for applicants to the school, admissions asks:
Potential sources of health inequities include race, gender, education, income, disability, geographic location, and sexual orientation. Moments to Movement (M2M) is Duke’s collective stand against systemic racism and injustice. The name signifies going beyond passive moments of reflection and becoming more active as we build to make lasting change for our patients, their loved ones and each other. Describe your understanding of race and its relationship to inequities in health and health care. "

"Seventy-two percent of America’s top medical schools use racial politics to weed out applicants, according to a review conducted by medical advocacy group Do No Harm.
According to the review, 72 percent of the nation’s top 50 schools and 80 percent of the top ten ask “probing questions to elicit responses from the applicant about his or her views on diversity, equity, and inclusion topics.”

Can you trust the future Doctors selected through the lens of politics, not their merits?

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Narnia wrote: September 5th, 2022, 7:01 pm " “The Duke University School of Medicine — ranked number six in the country — boasts that it has been “nationally recognized for its commitment to equity, diversity, and inclusion.” In an essay prompt for applicants to the school, admissions asks:
Potential sources of health inequities include race, gender, education, income, disability, geographic location, and sexual orientation. Moments to Movement (M2M) is Duke’s collective stand against systemic racism and injustice. The name signifies going beyond passive moments of reflection and becoming more active as we build to make lasting change for our patients, their loved ones and each other. Describe your understanding of race and its relationship to inequities in health and health care. "

"Seventy-two percent of America’s top medical schools use racial politics to weed out applicants, according to a review conducted by medical advocacy group Do No Harm.
According to the review, 72 percent of the nation’s top 50 schools and 80 percent of the top ten ask “probing questions to elicit responses from the applicant about his or her views on diversity, equity, and inclusion topics.”

Can you trust the future Doctors selected through the lens of politics, not their merits?
Not just the medical field.

Every field.

Sir H

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I recently impaled my hand on a rusty old 4 inch nail. It went through and out the other side in crucifixion style.
I was out in the middle of a field at the time helping some conservation volunteers dismantle an old footbridge in preparation for a new one.
They all told me to go to the hospital and get it seen to and to get a tetenus shot etc.
I just went home and had my wife clean the wound with colloidal silver and apply Myrrh to accelerate healing. Over the coming days other oils were used to take the swelling down. There was no way I was going anywhere near a hospital or a doctor. I have zero trust in any of them.

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Modern vaccines tend to give the very illness they're supposed to prevent, especially to the immunocompromised. This is by design, in order to "self-spread" throughout the population by making unvaccinated persons catch it from the vaccinated person shedding the virus, or spike proteins from the covid vaccines. This is from their "gain of function" research. It starts a vicious cycle (or virtuous cycle to the pharmaceutical companies) because the more the illness spreads, the more people will panic and get vaccinated, and so on.

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Narnia wrote: September 5th, 2022, 7:01 pm " “The Duke University School of Medicine — ranked number six in the country — boasts that it has been “nationally recognized for its commitment to equity, diversity, and inclusion.” In an essay prompt for applicants to the school, admissions asks:
Potential sources of health inequities include race, gender, education, income, disability, geographic location, and sexual orientation. Moments to Movement (M2M) is Duke’s collective stand against systemic racism and injustice. The name signifies going beyond passive moments of reflection and becoming more active as we build to make lasting change for our patients, their loved ones and each other. Describe your understanding of race and its relationship to inequities in health and health care. "

"Seventy-two percent of America’s top medical schools use racial politics to weed out applicants, according to a review conducted by medical advocacy group Do No Harm.
According to the review, 72 percent of the nation’s top 50 schools and 80 percent of the top ten ask “probing questions to elicit responses from the applicant about his or her views on diversity, equity, and inclusion topics.”

Can you trust the future Doctors selected through the lens of politics, not their merits?
John D. Rockefeller has ruined medical schools.

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People have scoffed at the word of wisdom. Even debated if it was hot drinks, caffeine, or coffee itself. Some doctors prescribe caffeine. Words of wisdom for surviving the latter days. When they decide that since most people drink coffee, simply administer the mRNA that way. Unsuspecting slugs get sterilized and die of sudden adult death syndrome.

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I am not inherently anti-Dr or anti-vax. I believe they both do good things for both individuals and for society (collection of socially intermixing individuals). However, I am very skeptical of the rank-and-file Dr's. I tried to get help for common cold and sinus infection last week with no luck or understanding from my personal Dr, but a friend Dr took care of me and now I'm well again.

I got the tetanus, think it must have been a long time, I do cut myself doing handy work often and feel that is safe and effective. I refused the shingles, but did get the pnuemonia vax. Not sure that was worth it as I got pretty sore and sick from that one, but the Dr convinced me it could be dangerous given my bad immune system from CMV years ago. Shingles is painful but always recovers and you never die, so that is the level of risk.

What I see is a bunch of Dr's (mostly here from overseas, mostly Asian) that just follow the leading checklist and are afraid to make their own decisions. BTW I feel the same about airline pilots, the major airlines in US and Europe can fly the plane but not the rank-and-file globally, I avoid them like the plague.

Not sure if the Dr's are now dumber or just afraid to think, or if they just don't care, but not the same as years ago, when the all seemed energized to help people (while making money).

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