He didn't have one. Not a real plan. This is basically what it was:
Step 1: Make me your god.
Step 2: ??????
Step 3: Profit!!!
Post by Artaxerxes »
He didn't have one. Not a real plan. This is basically what it was:
Post by Shawn Henry »
Joseph and the church cleared this issue when they made canon the Lectures on Faith and made it the 'doctrine' portion of the D&C.
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Post by Shawn Henry »
HOLY GHOST is A HEShawn Henry wrote: ↑July 29th, 2022, 11:16 amJoseph and the church cleared this issue when they made canon the Lectures on Faith and made it the 'doctrine' portion of the D&C.
There are only two personages in the Godhead. The Holy Ghost is simply the mind of God.
Post by FoxMammaWisdom »
To invert ALLLLLLL aspects of good.
Post by Shawn Henry »
How does your list of non-canonical quotes affect what is canon?
Post by John Tavner »
Could we read and comprehend all that has been written from the days of Adam, on the relation of man to God and angels in a future state, we should know very little about it. Reading the experience of others, or the revelation given to them, can never give us a comprehensive view of our condition and true relation to God. Knowledge of these things can only be obtained by experience through the ordinances of God set forth for that purpose. Could you gaze into heaven five minutes, you would know more than you would by reading all that ever was written on the subject. ~ Joseph SmithShawn Henry wrote: ↑July 29th, 2022, 5:15 pmHow does your list of non-canonical quotes affect what is canon?
The Lectures of Faith are the scriptures throughout Joseph's ministry. He had them canonized. He said here or he said there quotes, whether actually said or not, are not scripture.
Perhaps you have played cards with a trump suit, trump always wins.
The entire point of having scripture is so that we can have a foundation to build on and to test everything else.
Joseph's own standard for measuring truth is that previous given revelation is the standard. If anything contradicts a revelation we can know it is false.
The Lectures on Faith are very clear that there are only two personages in the Godhead and that the HG is the mind of God.
They also teach clearly that God is a spirit, which is taught by the Bible and the BoM.
Post by TheChristian »
This /\TheChristian wrote: ↑July 30th, 2022, 5:28 am Long before I heard of Mormonism, I had encounters with the Saviour, I could not boast of any good works, but thru said encounters of undeserved mercy I most certainly believed in Jesus of Nazerath, that he was wonderfully alive and cared for all mankind...
I began to read the Bible, my christian friends told me things about God, heaven that I was not sure of there accuracy, yet who was I to question devout God fearing men whoms works were good and kindly...........
And so one nite I asked Jesus what He looked like in Heaven........
As I prayed this wonderfull influence fell apon me and I was filled with a joy and love indescribable, the room which was in darkness began to flood with a pure white light, but did not hurt my eyes....
A see thru person stood beside me were I prayed, it was from Him that power and glory enamated, amidst the light in the room was a swirl of vibrant color which swiftly transformed into a glorious scene.............
I seen the Lord Jesus and there was men around him dressed in white robes, the personage of Spirit from which the power and light came then said to me.........
"Look! Your Saviour and you can hold Him as one man holds another"
And so I Iooked again and then I realised amidst that glory that Jesus had a body of flesh in heaven, that we men were indeed created in His image, he had hair, eyes, beard, arms legs and so forth and the Angels in white robes also had bodies of flesh.......
Yet the Saviors flesh body shone with health and vibrancy, was perfection as was the Angels flesh bodies that surrounded Him........
I looked at the Spirit personage that was giving this vision and instruction whom was bearing record of Christ Jesus and flooding me with a great power and joy.....
He did not have a body of flesh, yet His spirit body resembled that of a mans nor did he resemble the Saviour in facial feature and it was given to me to know that He was the Holy Ghost, the comforter spoken of in the Gospel of John.....
And so I now knew that Jesus reigned in heaven with a perfect body of Flesh and that the Holy Ghost was a seperate being, a male, a being of Spirit whoms mission and glory was to testify of Christ Jesus ................
And I was shown all this by simply believing in this scripture.......
"Whosoever believes in Me and asks shall surely recieve"
John Tavner wrote: ↑July 29th, 2022, 8:06 pm My personal belief. The Holy Ghost can be a he or she. It depends on the person who was born again and sanctified - their spirit was made holy, thus they are a holy ghost. The Holy Spirit on the other hand is what is in all and through all and the mind of God - that said, I think people use the terms interchangeably from time to time and like Paul Said in 1 Cor 2:16 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ. So again, we have the Holy Spirit in us always if we are born again we have the Mind of Christ if we believe - it is the gift He gave us and the promise of our inheritance and what HE desires us to look like in life. To Shine as He did . He said He was/is the light of the world and then told us to be the light- He has given us many clues. We just have to believe. Thank God for His blood, for His mercy and His grace in not only cursing sin, but also in redeeming us to show us what we can be and how we can look like Him in this life.
Post by John Tavner »
Hmm interesting, I'll have to ponder on that. I have a hard time trusting angels according to LDS Theology, but in some ways it makes sense, I suppose. Something to ponder. I can agree with the second part - I think we are holy ghosts at that point or angels however you want to call it and have access to God through Christ able to stand before His throne and we are "anointed" and have the seed of Mind given to us if we believe it and trust in Him as a Child to their Father.cab wrote: ↑July 30th, 2022, 12:21 pmJohn Tavner wrote: ↑July 29th, 2022, 8:06 pm My personal belief. The Holy Ghost can be a he or she. It depends on the person who was born again and sanctified - their spirit was made holy, thus they are a holy ghost. The Holy Spirit on the other hand is what is in all and through all and the mind of God - that said, I think people use the terms interchangeably from time to time and like Paul Said in 1 Cor 2:16 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ. So again, we have the Holy Spirit in us always if we are born again we have the Mind of Christ if we believe - it is the gift He gave us and the promise of our inheritance and what HE desires us to look like in life. To Shine as He did . He said He was/is the light of the world and then told us to be the light- He has given us many clues. We just have to believe. Thank God for His blood, for His mercy and His grace in not only cursing sin, but also in redeeming us to show us what we can be and how we can look like Him in this life.
I believe that when we are subject to the preparatory gospel that the mind and will of God is delivered and ministered to us by angels. Thus, the “holy spirit” is given by and through the angels and is the mind and will and communication of God’s way to us…
Then once we are spiritually begotten, we then partake of that spirit, because our spirits have been quickened by it. We have it indwelling within us as the “kingdom of God is within” and “ye are temples” and tabernacles of the Holy Spirit because we are now made Holy and God is dwelling within us (made tabernacle within us) and we have now entered the gate and feast on the words of Christ and become angels ourselves, and been reconciled to the “Holy place” and the sanctuary of the most High.
John Tavner wrote: ↑July 30th, 2022, 3:06 pmHmm interesting, I'll have to ponder on that. I have a hard time trusting angels according to LDS Theology, but in some ways it makes sense, I suppose. Something to ponder. I can agree with the second part - I think we are holy ghosts at that point or angels however you want to call it and have access to God through Christ able to stand before His throne and we are "anointed" and have the seed of Mind given to us if we believe it and trust in Him as a Child to their Father.cab wrote: ↑July 30th, 2022, 12:21 pmJohn Tavner wrote: ↑July 29th, 2022, 8:06 pm My personal belief. The Holy Ghost can be a he or she. It depends on the person who was born again and sanctified - their spirit was made holy, thus they are a holy ghost. The Holy Spirit on the other hand is what is in all and through all and the mind of God - that said, I think people use the terms interchangeably from time to time and like Paul Said in 1 Cor 2:16 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ. So again, we have the Holy Spirit in us always if we are born again we have the Mind of Christ if we believe - it is the gift He gave us and the promise of our inheritance and what HE desires us to look like in life. To Shine as He did . He said He was/is the light of the world and then told us to be the light- He has given us many clues. We just have to believe. Thank God for His blood, for His mercy and His grace in not only cursing sin, but also in redeeming us to show us what we can be and how we can look like Him in this life.
I believe that when we are subject to the preparatory gospel that the mind and will of God is delivered and ministered to us by angels. Thus, the “holy spirit” is given by and through the angels and is the mind and will and communication of God’s way to us…
Then once we are spiritually begotten, we then partake of that spirit, because our spirits have been quickened by it. We have it indwelling within us as the “kingdom of God is within” and “ye are temples” and tabernacles of the Holy Spirit because we are now made Holy and God is dwelling within us (made tabernacle within us) and we have now entered the gate and feast on the words of Christ and become angels ourselves, and been reconciled to the “Holy place” and the sanctuary of the most High.
Post by Shawn Henry »
This scripture can be true while comporting to your view, my view, or just about any other view. Meaning, this scripture isn't saying much.
You still have to ignore half the scriptures to de-personify the Holy Ghost while those who count to three are just fine.Shawn Henry wrote: ↑July 31st, 2022, 2:04 pmThis scripture can be true while comporting to your view, my view, or just about any other view. Meaning, this scripture isn't saying much.
You still have yet to deal with the Lectures on Faith. I'm assuming you think JS mistaken for canonizing them and teaching from them throughout his ministry?
Post by Artaxerxes »
Was JS mistaken when he taught that the Holy Ghost was a personage?Shawn Henry wrote: ↑July 31st, 2022, 2:04 pmThis scripture can be true while comporting to your view, my view, or just about any other view. Meaning, this scripture isn't saying much.
You still have yet to deal with the Lectures on Faith. I'm assuming you think JS mistaken for canonizing them and teaching from them throughout his ministry?
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...exactly this!....why?...because he was stripped of his great power. The only power he has now...is to deceive individuals to give him theirs!...Once we have become enamoured with his loose morals and ethics...we become easy prey to his mix of truth and deception...however, even when we have fallen into the very depths of depravity and misery....the very moment we seek God and Christ....we are freed from his tyranny...!NeveR wrote: ↑July 29th, 2022, 10:23 am Isn't it obvious? Satan's plan is simple - to destroy TRUTH.
All truth, big and small.
Not just to deny it or hide it - destroy it and our ability to even know or recognize it.
That's what all this current show is about. That's why we are asked to accept a constant flow of contradictory, irrational nonsense. That's why art and science are hijacked and compromised.
Because TRUTH is the enemy and must be obliterated wherever it manifests.
Exactly what we put in its place doesn't matter. Any amount of falsehood can be tolerated, conflicting lies can be debated.
We will be free to believe anything we want - provided it's a lie!
Post by Shawn Henry »
Whether he did or didn't is irrelevant. The point is, he published the Lectures on Faith as the 'doctrine' portion of the D&C. He testified of it and so did two other PSR's.Artaxerxes wrote: ↑July 31st, 2022, 7:36 pm Was JS mistaken when he taught that the Holy Ghost was a personage?
Post by Shawn Henry »
No, you don't because the HG is still the mind of God and God is still a person.
The God - The King is coming here. Don't miss it.Shawn Henry wrote: ↑July 31st, 2022, 11:10 pmNo, you don't because the HG is still the mind of God and God is still a person.
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