LDS Freedom Forum

NeveR wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 1:30 am Wow, this is sad. I feel like I joined the church just to watch it fall apart...

randyps wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 2:45 am Virtual worship is the answer. The church's website and member portals need an overhaul, it will not be cheap. The nest egg you all accuse the church of being money hungry for will come in handy to build and/or buy billions of dollars worth of I.T. infrastructure. Millions will join the church, more temples will be needed to accommadate.

Rumpelstiltskin wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 3:32 am This is all prophesied by Isaiah. I find it all exciting because it is one of the major signs of the times. The Davidic servant will make himself known when the apostasy of the Church reaches its zenith. We're almost there!

NeveR wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 1:30 am Wow, this is sad. I feel like I joined the church just to watch it fall apart...

tribrac wrote: ↑July 5th, 2022, 11:52 pm There is a complete absence of anything that holds us together. Every project and program that people used to do together has been cancelled.
Building program, welfare farm, road shows, scouts. The wards used to do the local Easter egg hunt, and 4th of July celebration...no more.

Nobody does anything for the 24th of July.

We show up for two hours and leave.

Someone else mows the lawn and repairs the sprinklers, and replaces light bulbs.

We do nothing together, no common purpose, nothing unifying us.

Adults don't know each other, and don't care.

Bishop doesn't shake people's hands before the meeting, runs off to YM as soon as sacrament is over.

'Ministering' doesn't happen, or is a doorstep delivery of sugary treats.

YM and YW are an unmitigated disaster, every week the youth report about who came out, or which kid argued with the teacher about gay rights, or a teacher affirming kids feelings.

I taught a class recently and asked the teenagers about the reading from come followe...I got 7 blank faces staring back at me. I asked them about Moses and 1 kid recognized his name.

Youth activities have devolved into bi-monthly entertainment and food. With an occasional planning activity mixed in.

Primary is a rushed mess.

Men stop coming and nobody cares. Nobody goes to get them.

Divorces rage. Broken homes abound. Pride ties are worn all June.

Kids fall by the wayside and the silent herd moves on without them.

There is nothing holding us together.

I am prone to fits of melancholy, but this might be as low as I have ever felt.

Oh God forgive us for our sins and have mercy on us now before we are swept away.

largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 12:43 am Maybe I am getting too old but I don't seem to care about church activities. The same ten people have to do all the work while the moochers of the ward get all the benefits.

largerthanlife2 wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 12:43 am The same ten people have to do all the work while the moochers of the ward get all the benefits.

Mamabear wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 6:13 am

tribrac wrote: ↑July 5th, 2022, 11:52 pm There is a complete absence of anything that holds us together. Every project and program that people used to do together has been cancelled.
Building program, welfare farm, road shows, scouts. The wards used to do the local Easter egg hunt, and 4th of July celebration...no more.

Nobody does anything for the 24th of July.

We show up for two hours and leave.

Someone else mows the lawn and repairs the sprinklers, and replaces light bulbs.

We do nothing together, no common purpose, nothing unifying us.

Adults don't know each other, and don't care.

Bishop doesn't shake people's hands before the meeting, runs off to YM as soon as sacrament is over.

'Ministering' doesn't happen, or is a doorstep delivery of sugary treats.

YM and YW are an unmitigated disaster, every week the youth report about who came out, or which kid argued with the teacher about gay rights, or a teacher affirming kids feelings.

I taught a class recently and asked the teenagers about the reading from come followe...I got 7 blank faces staring back at me. I asked them about Moses and 1 kid recognized his name.

Youth activities have devolved into bi-monthly entertainment and food. With an occasional planning activity mixed in.

Primary is a rushed mess.

Men stop coming and nobody cares. Nobody goes to get them.

Divorces rage. Broken homes abound. Pride ties are worn all June.

Kids fall by the wayside and the silent herd moves on without them.

There is nothing holding us together.

I am prone to fits of melancholy, but this might be as low as I have ever felt.

Oh God forgive us for our sins and have mercy on us now before we are swept away.

What was/is the cause of this rapid decline?
It seems to be unraveling very quickly.

randyps wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 2:45 am Virtual worship is the answer. The church's website and member portals need an overhaul, it will not be cheap. The nest egg you all accuse the church of being money hungry for will come in handy to build and/or buy billions of dollars worth of I.T. infrastructure. Millions will join the church, more temples will be needed to accommadate.

randyps wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 2:45 am Virtual worship is the answer. The church's website and member portals need an overhaul, it will not be cheap. The nest egg you all accuse the church of being money hungry for will come in handy to build and/or buy billions of dollars worth of I.T. infrastructure. Millions will join the church, more temples will be needed to accommadate.

tribrac wrote: ↑July 5th, 2022, 11:52 pm There is a complete absence of anything that holds us together. Every project and program that people used to do together has been cancelled.
Building program, welfare farm, road shows, scouts. The wards used to do the local Easter egg hunt, and 4th of July celebration...no more.

Nobody does anything for the 24th of July.

We show up for two hours and leave.

Someone else mows the lawn and repairs the sprinklers, and replaces light bulbs.

We do nothing together, no common purpose, nothing unifying us.

Adults don't know each other, and don't care.

Bishop doesn't shake people's hands before the meeting, runs off to YM as soon as sacrament is over.

'Ministering' doesn't happen, or is a doorstep delivery of sugary treats.

YM and YW are an unmitigated disaster, every week the youth report about who came out, or which kid argued with the teacher about gay rights, or a teacher affirming kids feelings.

I taught a class recently and asked the teenagers about the reading from come followe...I got 7 blank faces staring back at me. I asked them about Moses and 1 kid recognized his name.

Youth activities have devolved into bi-monthly entertainment and food. With an occasional planning activity mixed in.

Primary is a rushed mess.

Men stop coming and nobody cares. Nobody goes to get them.

Divorces rage. Broken homes abound. Pride ties are worn all June.

Kids fall by the wayside and the silent herd moves on without them.

There is nothing holding us together.

I am prone to fits of melancholy, but this might be as low as I have ever felt.

Oh God forgive us for our sins and have mercy on us now before we are swept away.

Serragon wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 10:03 am
In order to build a new culture, you first have to destroy the old one.

BuriedTartaria wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 10:37 am Remember what church was like in previous decades? Society is falling apart and the LDS church has not escaped this. My dad is a bishop right now. Fortunately his ward seems pretty unified and lively, but I feel bad for him. He doesn't know about my alternative beliefs on Mormon history. I love him dearly.

Serragon wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 10:03 am
In order to build a new culture, you first have to destroy the old one.

I know to most people it isn't a big deal but I was recently told the Saratoga Springs, Utah temple will be the final LDS temple featuring an angel Moroni. I admit, that in itself is not some humongous, tragic thing. But when that is one thing on top of other changes that have occurred in the LDS church over the past 10 years, it feels like there is an effort to make a new LDS culture. I have mixed feelings on how the LDS temple frames temple worship but I'm saddened that the angel Moroni atop temples is being done with. Maybe the higher-ups in SLC were offended by the angel dropping his trump on their flagship temple in SLC during the earthquake a few years ago :p

Serragon wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 11:03 am

BuriedTartaria wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 10:37 am Remember what church was like in previous decades? Society is falling apart and the LDS church has not escaped this. My dad is a bishop right now. Fortunately his ward seems pretty unified and lively, but I feel bad for him. He doesn't know about my alternative beliefs on Mormon history. I love him dearly.

Serragon wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 10:03 am
In order to build a new culture, you first have to destroy the old one.

I know to most people it isn't a big deal but I was recently told the Saratoga Springs, Utah temple will be the final LDS temple featuring an angel Moroni. I admit, that in itself is not some humongous, tragic thing. But when that is one thing on top of other changes that have occurred in the LDS church over the past 10 years, it feels like there is an effort to make a new LDS culture. I have mixed feelings on how the LDS temple frames temple worship but I'm saddened that the angel Moroni atop temples is being done with. Maybe the higher-ups in SLC were offended by the angel dropping his trump on their flagship temple in SLC during the earthquake a few years ago :p

I think not having Moroni on the temple is a big deal.

The church made a decision at some point that instead of trying to create a Zion community and bring people to it, that they would simply teach the world where they were and let them stay.

The fruit of this has been a major dilution of doctrine and a destruction of culture.in an attempt to be non-threatening to as many world governments as possible. The church really stands for very little now and has very little actual purpose. Outside of the claim to the keys to ordinances, you will get a better sense of comunity, culture, and purpose in most any local christian or catholic church.

It is ironic to me that RMN is often talking about how the youth of our church need to know who they are and they need to have a purpose. But at the same time he is busy removing everything that gives people a sense of purpose. What we do now in the church does not spring organically from our faith in Christ and the restoration of the Gospel through Joseph. It now comes from the top down in choreographed and emotion-dripping syrup that has little long term nutrional value for our faith. Our purpose seems to be membership instead of conversion, and the goal is to feel good about yourself as you are instead of change and sacrifice of will to Christ.

Christianlee wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 4:18 am

randyps wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 2:45 am Virtual worship is the answer. The church's website and member portals need an overhaul, it will not be cheap. The nest egg you all accuse the church of being money hungry for will come in handy to build and/or buy billions of dollars worth of I.T. infrastructure. Millions will join the church, more temples will be needed to accommadate.

If the Church cared about the future of its members it would spend money to build an alternative to the public school system which is helping to corrupt its children.

randyps wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 12:02 pm

Christianlee wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 4:18 am

randyps wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 2:45 am Virtual worship is the answer. The church's website and member portals need an overhaul, it will not be cheap. The nest egg you all accuse the church of being money hungry for will come in handy to build and/or buy billions of dollars worth of I.T. infrastructure. Millions will join the church, more temples will be needed to accommadate.

If the Church cared about the future of its members it would spend money to build an alternative to the public school system which is helping to corrupt its children.

I thought about that too, wouldnt it b wonderful to turn chapels into private schools but all the lawsuits we get by just trying to operate as a church is overwhelming enough.

randyps wrote: ↑July 6th, 2022, 2:45 am Virtual worship is the answer. The church's website and member portals need an overhaul, it will not be cheap. The nest egg you all accuse the church of being money hungry for will come in handy to build and/or buy billions of dollars worth of I.T. infrastructure. Millions will join the church, more temples will be needed to accommadate.