Is the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost a singular event? (Poll)

[abijah]

Matthew 3
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

"a day that burns as an oven", sounds pretty hardcore. hopefully we'll be fireproof, like shadrach meshach & abednego.

[SJR3t2]

That’s not quite how I see it. I lean towards the Torah being a strict law of dos and donts that kept people in proper remembrance of God, but was always ineffectual to produce a child of God. I believe a purpose of the law was to teach the Israelites the ineffectiveness of such strict works in order to produce the holiness which accompanies the dwelling place of God and to lead them towards the requisite humility in order to fully submit their will to rely on the merits of YWVH for something greater.

No argument that Torah was being kept during Mosiah 2-5, and in that sermon, we are taught it's about love. It's also what Yeshua stated in the NT.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2022/10/05/all- ... o-chiasmi/

[Serragon]

Growth, progress, knowledge, etc. are clearly not singular events.

But there comes a time for everyone where the Spirit manifests something to you in a way that you can no longer deny that it is real. You have transitioned from hope/belief to a form of knowledge, and this is a singular event.

[Reluctant Watchman]

Growth, progress, knowledge, etc. are clearly not singular events.

But there comes a time for everyone where the Spirit manifests something to you in a way that you can no longer deny that it is real. You have transitioned from hope/belief to a form of knowledge, and this is a singular event.

I believe in both. Alma 32 is a great chapter to read and ponder.