Is RMN really Owl and Key?
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Is RMN really Owl and Key?
Is RMN really a member of the Owl & Key and/or Skull & Bones?
Can anyone provide proof of this on this thread?
Can anyone provide proof of this on this thread?
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There are photos of RMN as Owl and Key in a yearbook which have been posted on here. Skull and Bones is harder to prove.
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From my understanding it’s Owl and Key who decide who becomes part of skull and bones.
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This is the one InfoWarrior posted in another thread:
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And Apostle, Elder Robert D. Hales was a Bonesman:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=v ... %2C1787334
https://archive.is/aWbyk
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=v ... %2C1787334
https://archive.is/aWbyk
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Egads - how did I miss this gem the first go-round? Great find, InfoWarrior. I never did understand that guy...going on and on in a GC talk about some fur coat for his wife...or something like that.
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That really was a great thread. Let me just recreate another little piece of it, here. This is kind of funny - - by “ithink”
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Infowarrior82, do you know how this yearbook image was obtained? Does anyone possess the actual yearbook to verify it’s not fake?InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑June 29th, 2022, 9:05 pm And Apostle, Elder Robert D. Hales was a Bonesman:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=v ... %2C1787334
https://archive.is/aWbyk
If it’s true it’s definitely concerning, so I’d like to know if it’s for real.
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I suppose if we could find the yearbook where RMN was a junior, we would know? Anybody out there have that?
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FWIW Wiki says RMN was Owl and Key. But is it really such a big deal? It's just a U of U thing isn't it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owl_and_Key
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owl_and_Key
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Watched a video on defending Utah about it once. It isn’t good. Especially skull and bones. Elite gadiantons and owl and key seems to be the gate.
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I imagine joining Owl and Key is probably a bit like this. (Fairly safe for work)
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Starting with 1984, when RMN was called to be an apostle, take a look at his talks with fresh eyes. There are some alarming things, there. For instance, in this talk - at around the 5 minute mark - he teaches about, instead of prioritizing occupation, family or the Lord, just “meshing them.” As if. And where there should be talk of acquiring knowledge he speaks, instead, of education (which comes through the channels of “a false priesthood” as Nibley put it). There was so much wrong with what he’s teaching just in the first 8 minutes.
How does an apostle of Jesus not know His doctrine? Is it because he was pre-occupied with his extensive formal education? There is something very wrong about it all.
How does an apostle of Jesus not know His doctrine? Is it because he was pre-occupied with his extensive formal education? There is something very wrong about it all.
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False teachers revere secular learning.Pazooka wrote: ↑June 30th, 2022, 6:01 pm Starting with 1984, when RMN was called to be an apostle, take a look at his talks with fresh eyes. There are some alarming things, there. For instance, in this talk - at around the 5 minute mark - he teaches about, instead of prioritizing occupation, family or the Lord, just “meshing them.” As if. And where there should be talk of acquiring knowledge he speaks, instead, of education (which comes through the channels of “a false priesthood” as Nibley put it). There was so much wrong with what he’s teaching just in the first 8 minutes.
How does an apostle of Jesus not know His doctrine? Is it because he was pre-occupied with his extensive formal education? There is something very wrong about it all.
There are many layers of alarming things that have been in front of us. I feel was blinded by all of them.
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Excellent way to word that bit about acquiring secular knowledge and false teachers and the relationship between the two. Solid observationMamabear wrote: ↑June 30th, 2022, 6:33 pmFalse teachers revere secular learning.Pazooka wrote: ↑June 30th, 2022, 6:01 pm Starting with 1984, when RMN was called to be an apostle, take a look at his talks with fresh eyes. There are some alarming things, there. For instance, in this talk - at around the 5 minute mark - he teaches about, instead of prioritizing occupation, family or the Lord, just “meshing them.” As if. And where there should be talk of acquiring knowledge he speaks, instead, of education (which comes through the channels of “a false priesthood” as Nibley put it). There was so much wrong with what he’s teaching just in the first 8 minutes.
How does an apostle of Jesus not know His doctrine? Is it because he was pre-occupied with his extensive formal education? There is something very wrong about it all.
There are many layers of alarming things that have been in front of us. I feel was blinded by all of them.
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Secular learning is what allows the Church to continue to function as a global Church. Joseph Smith would not be able to run today's Church with all of its complexities, unless he were to surround himself with the types of people that are Church leaders today, with all their learning.Mamabear wrote: ↑June 30th, 2022, 6:33 pmFalse teachers revere secular learning.Pazooka wrote: ↑June 30th, 2022, 6:01 pm Starting with 1984, when RMN was called to be an apostle, take a look at his talks with fresh eyes. There are some alarming things, there. For instance, in this talk - at around the 5 minute mark - he teaches about, instead of prioritizing occupation, family or the Lord, just “meshing them.” As if. And where there should be talk of acquiring knowledge he speaks, instead, of education (which comes through the channels of “a false priesthood” as Nibley put it). There was so much wrong with what he’s teaching just in the first 8 minutes.
How does an apostle of Jesus not know His doctrine? Is it because he was pre-occupied with his extensive formal education? There is something very wrong about it all.
There are many layers of alarming things that have been in front of us. I feel was blinded by all of them.
14 out of the 15 people in the Q12 and FP have university degrees. The one loner has regretted not getting the degrees that he wanted to get. What does that tell you? Education is important in this day and age.
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A person that was a member of a fraternity in college, does not necessarily mean that 70 plus years removed from that, that he continue to espouse those principles in public. Ever heard of repentance?
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Joseph wouldn’t want to run today’s church. In fact, I’m sure he would run FROM it.
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D&C 1 - for starters - mentions how the Lord does His work by the weak and places JS into that category.Subcomandante wrote: ↑July 1st, 2022, 9:07 amI have and stand by that.
17 Wherefore, I the Lord, knowing the calamity which should come upon the inhabitants of the earth, called upon my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and spake unto him from heaven, and gave him commandments;
18 …and all this that it might be fulfilled, which was written by the prophets—
19 The weak things of the world shall come forth and break down the mighty and strong ones, that man should not counsel his fellow man, neither trust in the arm of flesh—
Not to mention the weak AND the “simple”
23. That the fulness of my gospel might be proclaimed by the weak and the simple unto the ends of the world, and before kings and rulers.
And then here’s the real nail in the coffin. Imagine…the Lord being able to use unlearned men.
13 Wherefore, I call upon the weak things of the world, those who are unlearned and despised, to thresh the nations by the power of my Spirit (D&C 35);
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Joseph Smith was the catalyst. But let's not be ridiculous either in saying that Joseph Smith or Brigham Young could run today's Church, because they could not. Russell M. Nelson couldn't run the Church back in Joseph's day either, to be fair.Pazooka wrote: ↑July 1st, 2022, 9:37 amD&C 1 - for starters - mentions how the Lord does His work by the weak and places JS into that category.Subcomandante wrote: ↑July 1st, 2022, 9:07 amI have and stand by that.
17 Wherefore, I the Lord, knowing the calamity which should come upon the inhabitants of the earth, called upon my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and spake unto him from heaven, and gave him commandments;
18 …and all this that it might be fulfilled, which was written by the prophets—
19 The weak things of the world shall come forth and break down the mighty and strong ones, that man should not counsel his fellow man, neither trust in the arm of flesh—
Not to mention the weak AND the “simple”
23. That the fulness of my gospel might be proclaimed by the weak and the simple unto the ends of the world, and before kings and rulers.
Russell Nelson could be described by many today as weak and simple. How is a doctor supposed to have faith, many would question. Is #HearingHim really that simple? Why, yes it is!
And yet, he has brought the gospel to kings and rulers, that have stopped by Salt Lake City, or in the case of Dubai, they flat out invited the Church to construct a temple in their land, no doubt because Russell Nelson exhibited Christlike qualities in mourning with those that mourned and comforted those that needed to be comforted, even though such a gesture would be seen by many Utahns as pandering. GeeR would have a heart attack if I were to show the images which I am speaking about.
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DelusionSubcomandante wrote: ↑July 1st, 2022, 9:44 amJoseph Smith was the catalyst. But let's not be ridiculous either in saying that Joseph Smith or Brigham Young could run today's Church, because they could not. Russell M. Nelson couldn't run the Church back in Joseph's day either, to be fair.Pazooka wrote: ↑July 1st, 2022, 9:37 amD&C 1 - for starters - mentions how the Lord does His work by the weak and places JS into that category.
17 Wherefore, I the Lord, knowing the calamity which should come upon the inhabitants of the earth, called upon my servant Joseph Smith, Jun., and spake unto him from heaven, and gave him commandments;
18 …and all this that it might be fulfilled, which was written by the prophets—
19 The weak things of the world shall come forth and break down the mighty and strong ones, that man should not counsel his fellow man, neither trust in the arm of flesh—
Not to mention the weak AND the “simple”
23. That the fulness of my gospel might be proclaimed by the weak and the simple unto the ends of the world, and before kings and rulers.
Russell Nelson could be described by many today as weak and simple. How is a doctor supposed to have faith, many would question. Is #HearingHim really that simple? Why, yes it is!
And yet, he has brought the gospel to kings and rulers, that have stopped by Salt Lake City, or in the case of Dubai, they flat out invited the Church to construct a temple in their land, no doubt because Russell Nelson exhibited Christlike qualities in mourning with those that mourned and comforted those that needed to be comforted, even though such a gesture would be seen by many Utahns as pandering. GeeR would have a heart attack if I were to show the images which I am speaking about.