War with Russia just went from "if" to "when" today

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My head hurts.

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Sarah wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 11:40 am
ransomme wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 6:27 am
Sarah wrote: February 2nd, 2023, 9:13 pm https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/07 ... ganda.html

All the anti-Ukraine stuff started with RT (news organization owned by Russian government) and all the truthers in alt-right media started repeating their lines.
Big media doesn't do real reporting they do narratives. Having listened to many independent investigative journalists from different countries there is so much true information that will never be discussed openly by the "news".

The Russian propaganda isn't all false.

For instance the Nazi thing in Ukraine is actually a thing.

Ukraine is committing a lot of war crimes currently.

Ukraine did lots of evil acts in the separatist regions.

The US/EU/NATO purposefully was messing with Ukraine to piss off Russia, and also for access to Ukraine markets and resources.
The US/EU/NATO purposefully was messing with Ukraine to piss off Russia, and also for access to Ukraine markets and resources.
This is the Kremlin narrative put out there since 2014. Why does the West want to "piss off Russia?" What was preventing them from accessing markets in Ukraine?

Any provocative move made by Biden or White house is part of the circus show. They are Putin's controlled opposition, so Putin can claim Russia is a victim of NATO aggression. But there's a reason why most of Europe and Ukrainians are more afraid of Russia than they are of NATO or the US. Just look at Russia's track record since Putin has been in power. He's had his puppets in every former Soviet block country around him, and has invaded his neighbors with the pretense of "war on terror," or American coup or influence. The Kremlin is directing the show, and their puppets in the white house are playing their parts as the bad guys. Simply look at the results of all of American interference over there. It always leads to Russia gaining more control of land. If Biden is working for the elite mastermind who is trying to get the upper-hand on Putin and Xi, that mastermind is not very smart.

I would encourage everyone to Do your own research..!!

Look behind the curtain as well as just what is on the stage.

Start here: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts

These are actual English translations of Putin’s speeches. The full account. Not snippets the western media excise out to support their narratives.

Read a few, and one can see that Putin is a mother Russia patriot, not willing to allow any world organization to interfere, inspire, or otherwise hamper the best interests in mother Russia.

Go back far enough (just a couple years) and you will see the Russians are aware of the oligarchy cabal of western bankers/deep state power players have been using the steadfast resistance and independent posture of mother Russia homeland against themselves.

Because mother Russia has a set position, and is unbending toward compromise, or other tolerance of loosening gripe on the course they are steering, it is pretty easy to paint them any color wanted.

“Invasion” of Ukraine eastern provinces in our narrative in the US is bad.

But to the citizens of those eastern provinces, the Russian armies are liberators bringing freedom and security back to them, from the hegemony of corrupt rulers in Kyiv.

If I’ve learned anything at all during the last decade, it’s the multifaceted facade of everything, including our cherished LDS church.

Those who are dogmatic, set in their ways, and vocal about how wrong others are, will someday figure out they err’d.

The time is coming when surprise will be on everyone’s face, for a million different reasons…

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^^^^based and Christpilled
Christ visited the lands of Mother Russia.
Expect to get scripture on that some day

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Sarah wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 11:40 am
ransomme wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 6:27 am
Sarah wrote: February 2nd, 2023, 9:13 pm https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/07 ... ganda.html

All the anti-Ukraine stuff started with RT (news organization owned by Russian government) and all the truthers in alt-right media started repeating their lines.
Big media doesn't do real reporting they do narratives. Having listened to many independent investigative journalists from different countries there is so much true information that will never be discussed openly by the "news".

The Russian propaganda isn't all false.

For instance the Nazi thing in Ukraine is actually a thing.

Ukraine is committing a lot of war crimes currently.

Ukraine did lots of evil acts in the separatist regions.

The US/EU/NATO purposefully was messing with Ukraine to piss off Russia, and also for access to Ukraine markets and resources.
The US/EU/NATO purposefully was messing with Ukraine to piss off Russia, and also for access to Ukraine markets and resources.
This is the Kremlin narrative put out there since 2014. Why does the West want to "piss off Russia?" What was preventing them from accessing markets in Ukraine?

Any provocative move made by Biden or White house is part of the circus show. They are Putin's controlled opposition, so Putin can claim Russia is a victim of NATO aggression. But there's a reason why most of Europe and Ukrainians are more afraid of Russia than they are of NATO or the US. Just look at Russia's track record since Putin has been in power. He's had his puppets in every former Soviet block country around him, and has invaded his neighbors with the pretense of "war on terror," or American coup or influence. The Kremlin is directing the show, and their puppets in the white house are playing their parts as the bad guys. Simply look at the results of all of American interference over there. It always leads to Russia gaining more control of land. If Biden is working for the elite mastermind who is trying to get the upper-hand on Putin and Xi, that mastermind is not very smart.
Do you really not know?

The pre-2014 government that was overthrown was pro-Moscow. The West wanted Ukraine to be pro-West. The EU/US/NATO worked with pro-West oligarchs, politicians, etc to sew discord in Ukraine. Divide and conquer.

The EU was dangling the impossible, EU membership. Ukraine would take 50 years to qualify for EU economic standards. Add Germany's Angela Merkel said that the EU and US promised things like no NATO expansion just as a delay tactic. They had no intent on keeping their word.

The West still needs bogey-men so western governments can further manipulate their populations, laws and regulations.

Also, think of all the money to be made in destroying and rebuilding Ukraine. Are you not aware of how modern imperialism and colonialism work. For an insight read Confessions of an Economic Hitman. The author is self aggrandizing, but the book still gives a peak behind the curtain. What do you think Zelensky it's talking about here?
BTW showing that western Gadiantons are evil doesn't mean that Russia is good. Don't fall into that trap. Russia is bad, but it just so happens that the west is worse in many ways, but not I'm all ways, of course. The West has many good qualities, but those are also used as propaganda to convince people that the west is superior. It is so far from the kingdom of God.

And that's all just for starters.
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It might do well to also understand that Russia is a practicing Orthodox Christian nation. That fact seems to be overlooked by western media.

Russian view regarding sexual deviance is often & soundly reviled by the West as a prime indicator of President Putin’s inhumanity & extreme governmental policy.

Every address or statement given by President Putin; The Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sergey Lavrov; or from Maria Zakharova, Director of Information & Press Dept of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has been intelligent, open, citing historical context, International Law pertaining to War, UN & NATO agreements & treaties as pertaining to current Russian military operations to protect Russia’s sovereignty along with those ethnic Russian populated States in eastern Ukraine which overwhelmingly voted by referendum to remain part of Mother Russia - as that region has historically been since the 1700’s.

In contrast, everything I hear from Western media here, Canada, across UK & EU foment hate & increasing military aggression.

Last week, addressing a Hearing on Countering Russian Aggression, Victoria Nuland, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, could hardly contain her glee over the destruction of Nordstream pipeline to Germany. This is the same woman instrumental in bringing about the Ukrainian Coup of 2014, who blew off hesitancy on the part of the EU by saying, “F___ the EU!”,( 3:11 on the video below) over the recorded phone conversation with Geoffrey Pratt. (Joe Biden was then US Vice President in the Obama Administration. His son, Hunter, seems to have greatly benefited from the 2014 Ukrainian Coup!)
Underlying images toward the end of this conversation document the mayhem in Kiev manipulated by the puppet masters to wrest power from the existing government - more in alliance with Russia.

There was also a May 2014 massacre in Odessa when ethnic Russians peacefully protesting against separation from the Russian Federation were burned alive in a locked building.
https://mronline.org/2022/05/16/the-onc ... y-and-sad/

I'm willing to let Russia & Ukraine settle their differences without interference by the Western Powers. May God help us all to discern right from wrong, truth from error!
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JK4Woods wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 12:40 pm
Sarah wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 11:40 am
ransomme wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 6:27 am
Sarah wrote: February 2nd, 2023, 9:13 pm https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/07 ... ganda.html

All the anti-Ukraine stuff started with RT (news organization owned by Russian government) and all the truthers in alt-right media started repeating their lines.
Big media doesn't do real reporting they do narratives. Having listened to many independent investigative journalists from different countries there is so much true information that will never be discussed openly by the "news".

The Russian propaganda isn't all false.

For instance the Nazi thing in Ukraine is actually a thing.

Ukraine is committing a lot of war crimes currently.

Ukraine did lots of evil acts in the separatist regions.

The US/EU/NATO purposefully was messing with Ukraine to piss off Russia, and also for access to Ukraine markets and resources.
The US/EU/NATO purposefully was messing with Ukraine to piss off Russia, and also for access to Ukraine markets and resources.
This is the Kremlin narrative put out there since 2014. Why does the West want to "piss off Russia?" What was preventing them from accessing markets in Ukraine?

Any provocative move made by Biden or White house is part of the circus show. They are Putin's controlled opposition, so Putin can claim Russia is a victim of NATO aggression. But there's a reason why most of Europe and Ukrainians are more afraid of Russia than they are of NATO or the US. Just look at Russia's track record since Putin has been in power. He's had his puppets in every former Soviet block country around him, and has invaded his neighbors with the pretense of "war on terror," or American coup or influence. The Kremlin is directing the show, and their puppets in the white house are playing their parts as the bad guys. Simply look at the results of all of American interference over there. It always leads to Russia gaining more control of land. If Biden is working for the elite mastermind who is trying to get the upper-hand on Putin and Xi, that mastermind is not very smart.

I would encourage everyone to Do your own research..!!

Look behind the curtain as well as just what is on the stage.

Start here: http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts

These are actual English translations of Putin’s speeches. The full account. Not snippets the western media excise out to support their narratives.

Read a few, and one can see that Putin is a mother Russia patriot, not willing to allow any world organization to interfere, inspire, or otherwise hamper the best interests in mother Russia.

Go back far enough (just a couple years) and you will see the Russians are aware of the oligarchy cabal of western bankers/deep state power players have been using the steadfast resistance and independent posture of mother Russia homeland against themselves.

Because mother Russia has a set position, and is unbending toward compromise, or other tolerance of loosening gripe on the course they are steering, it is pretty easy to paint them any color wanted.

“Invasion” of Ukraine eastern provinces in our narrative in the US is bad.

But to the citizens of those eastern provinces, the Russian armies are liberators bringing freedom and security back to them, from the hegemony of corrupt rulers in Kyiv.

If I’ve learned anything at all during the last decade, it’s the multifaceted facade of everything, including our cherished LDS church.

Those who are dogmatic, set in their ways, and vocal about how wrong others are, will someday figure out they err’d.

The time is coming when surprise will be on everyone’s face, for a million different reasons…

Lying psychopaths are always very convincing. Yes, do your own research, into Putin's actions all over the world and within his own country, not his words. But if you want to go by his words only, consider these words as well:

"First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century. As for the Russian people, it became a genuine tragedy. Tens of millions of our fellow citizens and countrymen found themselves beyond the fringes of Russian territory.”

It's clear Putin's goal is to take over these countries whether they like their current status or not.

Here's some examples of how he treats his opposition within Russia:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... WO6iBkpYYq

But to the citizens of those eastern provinces, the Russian armies are liberators bringing freedom and security back to them, from the hegemony of corrupt rulers in Kyiv.
How would anyone know how the people feel behind enemy lines when no independent or mainstream news agency has been allowed into those areas that were occupied by Russia. You even called them "provinces of Ukraine." They are a part of Ukraine, and Russia has invaded a foreign nation. Let's not forget that he has also invaded the Western part of Ukraine as well.

https://niemanreports.org/articles/ukra ... n-threats/

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Here's another article about silencing the media in Eastern Ukraine:
https://rsf.org/en/ukraine-s-occupied-z ... n-or-death

Regarding the claims of some that Putin is Christian and is building up the church, here's an excerpt from this article:http://www.jrnyquist.com/is-putin-a-communist.html

"Professor Gottfried says, “Putin has gone out of his way to advance the moral teachings of the Russian Orthodox faith.” Unfortunately, the Russian Orthodox Church has been an important tool of the communists and of the KGB. Long ago the church was conquered by the Russian special services. Later, the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad was also conquered. Consider the revelations of former KGB officer Konstantin Preobrazhensky on this subject:
The KGB [FSB/SVR] has killed a lot of [Russian] priests. Some emigres know about this, but have preferred to keep quiet. Some from false patriotism, others because they worked for the KGB. So I had to apply all my experience as a former Soviet intelligence analyst to recreate an approximate picture of [recent deaths] by interviewing a lot of people. At the end of April 1998, in the building of the New York Synod … Archpriest Lev Lebedev of Kursk, died a strange death. He was an implacable opponent of reintegration with the Moscow Patriarchate.
Preobrazhensky’s investigation suggests that Archpriest Lebedev and many others have been murdered by the Russian special services. Lebedev’s death, in fact, proved to be a decisive step in Moscow’s takeover of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. Once upon a time the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad would have nothing to do with the Moscow Patriarchate. Now they have been absorbed by it!
And who was the head of the domestic side of this operation in 1998? Vladimir Putin, of course. It is impossible that Putin – as head of the FSB – was unaware of the many murders that were taking place. But there’s more."

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Sarah wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 2:30 pm Here's another article about silencing the media in Eastern Ukraine:
https://rsf.org/en/ukraine-s-occupied-z ... n-or-death

Regarding the claims of some that Putin is Christian and is building up the church, here's an excerpt from this article:http://www.jrnyquist.com/is-putin-a-communist.html

"Professor Gottfried says, “Putin has gone out of his way to advance the moral teachings of the Russian Orthodox faith.” Unfortunately, the Russian Orthodox Church has been an important tool of the communists and of the KGB. Long ago the church was conquered by the Russian special services. Later, the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad was also conquered. Consider the revelations of former KGB officer Konstantin Preobrazhensky on this subject:
The KGB [FSB/SVR] has killed a lot of [Russian] priests. Some emigres know about this, but have preferred to keep quiet. Some from false patriotism, others because they worked for the KGB. So I had to apply all my experience as a former Soviet intelligence analyst to recreate an approximate picture of [recent deaths] by interviewing a lot of people. At the end of April 1998, in the building of the New York Synod … Archpriest Lev Lebedev of Kursk, died a strange death. He was an implacable opponent of reintegration with the Moscow Patriarchate.
Preobrazhensky’s investigation suggests that Archpriest Lebedev and many others have been murdered by the Russian special services. Lebedev’s death, in fact, proved to be a decisive step in Moscow’s takeover of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. Once upon a time the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad would have nothing to do with the Moscow Patriarchate. Now they have been absorbed by it!
And who was the head of the domestic side of this operation in 1998? Vladimir Putin, of course. It is impossible that Putin – as head of the FSB – was unaware of the many murders that were taking place. But there’s more."
Interesting that you don't post anything about all of the same exact crap that Zelensky is doing in Ukraine and worse. He has been very anti democracy and freedom. And how about the US govt? Washington, Big Media, Big Pharma, Big Tech, Military Industrial Complex, and so on. Do you not see how the US has become the biggest threat to peace and prosperity in the world? Of course, it's all been prophesied, and soon enough the US will be ripe for a Godly cleansing. Think of China and Russia as the Lamanites and the US as the Nephites. The US exists on a covenant land and the US is straying further and further from that covenant. And like the Nephites when they cankered they were chastened by the unrighteous Lamanites. What has happened before will happen again.

All governments are bad and corrupt from the US to Russia, from China to the EU nations. I hope you don't think that the US's hands are clean, that would be downright delusional. And again highlighting one nation's, or one cabal's dirty deeds does not give the others a pass. It is not either or here.

I am not claiming to be a Russian expert, but because I served in Russia in the early to mid-90s I have long kept my eye on Russia and my finger on the pulse of Russia. I have visited there a number of times over the years since and still am in contact with friends there. So looking at and trying to understand the nation and its people is not foreign or new to me. So in all humble sincerity, I am 99.9% sure that your mainstream media POV is way off.

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ransomme wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 3:37 pm
Sarah wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 2:30 pm Here's another article about silencing the media in Eastern Ukraine:
https://rsf.org/en/ukraine-s-occupied-z ... n-or-death

Regarding the claims of some that Putin is Christian and is building up the church, here's an excerpt from this article:http://www.jrnyquist.com/is-putin-a-communist.html

"Professor Gottfried says, “Putin has gone out of his way to advance the moral teachings of the Russian Orthodox faith.” Unfortunately, the Russian Orthodox Church has been an important tool of the communists and of the KGB. Long ago the church was conquered by the Russian special services. Later, the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad was also conquered. Consider the revelations of former KGB officer Konstantin Preobrazhensky on this subject:
The KGB [FSB/SVR] has killed a lot of [Russian] priests. Some emigres know about this, but have preferred to keep quiet. Some from false patriotism, others because they worked for the KGB. So I had to apply all my experience as a former Soviet intelligence analyst to recreate an approximate picture of [recent deaths] by interviewing a lot of people. At the end of April 1998, in the building of the New York Synod … Archpriest Lev Lebedev of Kursk, died a strange death. He was an implacable opponent of reintegration with the Moscow Patriarchate.
Preobrazhensky’s investigation suggests that Archpriest Lebedev and many others have been murdered by the Russian special services. Lebedev’s death, in fact, proved to be a decisive step in Moscow’s takeover of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. Once upon a time the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad would have nothing to do with the Moscow Patriarchate. Now they have been absorbed by it!
And who was the head of the domestic side of this operation in 1998? Vladimir Putin, of course. It is impossible that Putin – as head of the FSB – was unaware of the many murders that were taking place. But there’s more."
Interesting that you don't post anything about all of the same exact crap that Zelensky is doing in Ukraine and worse. He has been very anti democracy and freedom. And how about the US govt? Washington, Big Media, Big Pharma, Big Tech, Military Industrial Complex, and so on. Do you not see how the US has become the biggest threat to peace and prosperity in the world? Of course, it's all been prophesied, and soon enough the US will be ripe for a Godly cleansing. Think of China and Russia as the Lamanites and the US as the Nephites. The US exists on a covenant land and the US is straying further and further from that covenant. And like the Nephites when they cankered they were chastened by the unrighteous Lamanites. What has happened before will happen again.

All governments are bad and corrupt from the US to Russia, from China to the EU nations. I hope you don't think that the US's hands are clean, that would be downright delusional. And again highlighting one nation's, or one cabal's dirty deeds does not give the others a pass. It is not either or here.

I am not claiming to be a Russian expert, but because I served in Russia in the early to mid-90s I have long kept my eye on Russia and my finger on the pulse of Russia. I have visited there a number of times over the years since and still am in contact with friends there. So looking at and trying to understand the nation and its people is not foreign or new to me. So in all humble sincerity, I am 99.9% sure that your mainstream media POV is way off.
I've been posting on this subject so long and still my position is misunderstood. I don't give the West a pass on bad deeds, nor Zelensky. It is my contention that they are all compromised by the communist conspiracy controlled by the Kremlin and Bejing, who have infiltrated and manipulated Western governments and institutions. They work with "the church" to administer these secret combinations to Westerners. Obviously they will use other means of manipulation and infiltration, and bribery and threats to get people to do what they want done in the West, which is to corrupt the government and make them appear as bullies. Zelensky is a literal actor like Trump. They are all servants of the same secret combination, and the ones with the big guns are calling the shots at the moment. So I believe Zelensky is Putin's puppet, as are all the oligarchs or main power players in Ukraine. Russia has been working within Ukraine long enough to have their people in there to pose as anti-Russian when they really are not. They are compromised individuals. I usually only write posts about Russia when I see people parroting their false propaganda, which makes the West out to be the ones who want WW3, when the reality is not that way at all. The beast is using the whore, committing fornication with her. She is not trying to control the beast, as she knows she can't. The beast is propping her up as long as he can gain something from her, and the at the final moment, he takes her out.

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ransomme wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 1:58 pm
Sarah wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 11:40 am
ransomme wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 6:27 am
Sarah wrote: February 2nd, 2023, 9:13 pm https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2014/07 ... ganda.html

All the anti-Ukraine stuff started with RT (news organization owned by Russian government) and all the truthers in alt-right media started repeating their lines.
Big media doesn't do real reporting they do narratives. Having listened to many independent investigative journalists from different countries there is so much true information that will never be discussed openly by the "news".

The Russian propaganda isn't all false.

For instance the Nazi thing in Ukraine is actually a thing.

Ukraine is committing a lot of war crimes currently.

Ukraine did lots of evil acts in the separatist regions.

The US/EU/NATO purposefully was messing with Ukraine to piss off Russia, and also for access to Ukraine markets and resources.
The US/EU/NATO purposefully was messing with Ukraine to piss off Russia, and also for access to Ukraine markets and resources.
This is the Kremlin narrative put out there since 2014. Why does the West want to "piss off Russia?" What was preventing them from accessing markets in Ukraine?

Any provocative move made by Biden or White house is part of the circus show. They are Putin's controlled opposition, so Putin can claim Russia is a victim of NATO aggression. But there's a reason why most of Europe and Ukrainians are more afraid of Russia than they are of NATO or the US. Just look at Russia's track record since Putin has been in power. He's had his puppets in every former Soviet block country around him, and has invaded his neighbors with the pretense of "war on terror," or American coup or influence. The Kremlin is directing the show, and their puppets in the white house are playing their parts as the bad guys. Simply look at the results of all of American interference over there. It always leads to Russia gaining more control of land. If Biden is working for the elite mastermind who is trying to get the upper-hand on Putin and Xi, that mastermind is not very smart.
Do you really not know?

The pre-2014 government that was overthrown was pro-Moscow. The West wanted Ukraine to be pro-West. The EU/US/NATO worked with pro-West oligarchs, politicians, etc to sew discord in Ukraine. Divide and conquer.

The EU was dangling the impossible, EU membership. Ukraine would take 50 years to qualify for EU economic standards. Add Germany's Angela Merkel said that the EU and US promised things like no NATO expansion just as a delay tactic. They had no intent on keeping their word.

The West still needs bogey-men so western governments can further manipulate their populations, laws and regulations.

Also, think of all the money to be made in destroying and rebuilding Ukraine. Are you not aware of how modern imperialism and colonialism work. For an insight read Confessions of an Economic Hitman. The author is self aggrandizing, but the book still gives a peak behind the curtain. What do you think Zelensky it's talking about here?
BTW showing that western Gadiantons are evil doesn't mean that Russia is good. Don't fall into that trap. Russia is bad, but it just so happens that the west is worse in many ways, but not I'm all ways, of course. The West has many good qualities, but those are also used as propaganda to convince people that the west is superior. It is so far from the kingdom of God.

And that's all just for starters.
This is the Russian narrative. Nuland and husband are Ukrainian and Jewish (all the compromised front-men are Jewish, probably to support the Zionist want to rule the world narrative). Nuland is exactly like Kissinger was during WW2. She is a pretend hawk working for the Kremlin and they are playing the same game.
It will take me some time to find it, but it was a Bulgarian reporter who bragged on Twitter I believe, that he was the one to stir up the Ukraine uprisings. He was a Kremlin tool. This is a well practiced strategy, to already have the next "anti-Russia" actor in the wings, ready with false promises. The Nuland call was intentionally recorded and released to make it appear that the US made it all happen, but this was a Kremlin operation. The oligarch who funded Zelensky was also supposedly anti-Putin, but he had economic ties with Russia, which points to an interest is doing what you're told to do or you loose everything.

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Sarah wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 4:06 pm
ransomme wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 3:37 pm
Sarah wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 2:30 pm Here's another article about silencing the media in Eastern Ukraine:
https://rsf.org/en/ukraine-s-occupied-z ... n-or-death

Regarding the claims of some that Putin is Christian and is building up the church, here's an excerpt from this article:http://www.jrnyquist.com/is-putin-a-communist.html

"Professor Gottfried says, “Putin has gone out of his way to advance the moral teachings of the Russian Orthodox faith.” Unfortunately, the Russian Orthodox Church has been an important tool of the communists and of the KGB. Long ago the church was conquered by the Russian special services. Later, the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad was also conquered. Consider the revelations of former KGB officer Konstantin Preobrazhensky on this subject:
The KGB [FSB/SVR] has killed a lot of [Russian] priests. Some emigres know about this, but have preferred to keep quiet. Some from false patriotism, others because they worked for the KGB. So I had to apply all my experience as a former Soviet intelligence analyst to recreate an approximate picture of [recent deaths] by interviewing a lot of people. At the end of April 1998, in the building of the New York Synod … Archpriest Lev Lebedev of Kursk, died a strange death. He was an implacable opponent of reintegration with the Moscow Patriarchate.
Preobrazhensky’s investigation suggests that Archpriest Lebedev and many others have been murdered by the Russian special services. Lebedev’s death, in fact, proved to be a decisive step in Moscow’s takeover of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. Once upon a time the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad would have nothing to do with the Moscow Patriarchate. Now they have been absorbed by it!
And who was the head of the domestic side of this operation in 1998? Vladimir Putin, of course. It is impossible that Putin – as head of the FSB – was unaware of the many murders that were taking place. But there’s more."
Interesting that you don't post anything about all of the same exact crap that Zelensky is doing in Ukraine and worse. He has been very anti democracy and freedom. And how about the US govt? Washington, Big Media, Big Pharma, Big Tech, Military Industrial Complex, and so on. Do you not see how the US has become the biggest threat to peace and prosperity in the world? Of course, it's all been prophesied, and soon enough the US will be ripe for a Godly cleansing. Think of China and Russia as the Lamanites and the US as the Nephites. The US exists on a covenant land and the US is straying further and further from that covenant. And like the Nephites when they cankered they were chastened by the unrighteous Lamanites. What has happened before will happen again.

All governments are bad and corrupt from the US to Russia, from China to the EU nations. I hope you don't think that the US's hands are clean, that would be downright delusional. And again highlighting one nation's, or one cabal's dirty deeds does not give the others a pass. It is not either or here.

I am not claiming to be a Russian expert, but because I served in Russia in the early to mid-90s I have long kept my eye on Russia and my finger on the pulse of Russia. I have visited there a number of times over the years since and still am in contact with friends there. So looking at and trying to understand the nation and its people is not foreign or new to me. So in all humble sincerity, I am 99.9% sure that your mainstream media POV is way off.
I've been posting on this subject so long and still my position is misunderstood. I don't give the West a pass on bad deeds, nor Zelensky. It is my contention that they are all compromised by the communist conspiracy controlled by the Kremlin and Bejing, who have infiltrated and manipulated Western governments and institutions. They work with "the church" to administer these secret combinations to Westerners. Obviously they will use other means of manipulation and infiltration, and bribery and threats to get people to do what they want done in the West, which is to corrupt the government and make them appear as bullies. Zelensky is a literal actor like Trump. They are all servants of the same secret combination, and the ones with the big guns are calling the shots at the moment. So I believe Zelensky is Putin's puppet, as are all the oligarchs or main power players in Ukraine. Russia has been working within Ukraine long enough to have their people in there to pose as anti-Russian when they really are not. They are compromised individuals. I usually only write posts about Russia when I see people parroting their false propaganda, which makes the West out to be the ones who want WW3, when the reality is not that way at all. The beast is using the whore, committing fornication with her. She is not trying to control the beast, as she knows she can't. The beast is propping her up as long as he can gain something from her, and the at the final moment, he takes her out.
I don't know why you think that the communist conspiracy is on top and pulling the strings. The Western cabals were in effect well before the communist one. In fact, it was the Western one/s that helped get the communist one up and running. But of course, they are all ultimately under the direction of the Adversary.

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ransomme wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 5:35 pm
Sarah wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 4:06 pm
ransomme wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 3:37 pm
Sarah wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 2:30 pm Here's another article about silencing the media in Eastern Ukraine:
https://rsf.org/en/ukraine-s-occupied-z ... n-or-death

Regarding the claims of some that Putin is Christian and is building up the church, here's an excerpt from this article:http://www.jrnyquist.com/is-putin-a-communist.html

"Professor Gottfried says, “Putin has gone out of his way to advance the moral teachings of the Russian Orthodox faith.” Unfortunately, the Russian Orthodox Church has been an important tool of the communists and of the KGB. Long ago the church was conquered by the Russian special services. Later, the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad was also conquered. Consider the revelations of former KGB officer Konstantin Preobrazhensky on this subject:
The KGB [FSB/SVR] has killed a lot of [Russian] priests. Some emigres know about this, but have preferred to keep quiet. Some from false patriotism, others because they worked for the KGB. So I had to apply all my experience as a former Soviet intelligence analyst to recreate an approximate picture of [recent deaths] by interviewing a lot of people. At the end of April 1998, in the building of the New York Synod … Archpriest Lev Lebedev of Kursk, died a strange death. He was an implacable opponent of reintegration with the Moscow Patriarchate.
Preobrazhensky’s investigation suggests that Archpriest Lebedev and many others have been murdered by the Russian special services. Lebedev’s death, in fact, proved to be a decisive step in Moscow’s takeover of the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad. Once upon a time the Russian Orthodox Church Abroad would have nothing to do with the Moscow Patriarchate. Now they have been absorbed by it!
And who was the head of the domestic side of this operation in 1998? Vladimir Putin, of course. It is impossible that Putin – as head of the FSB – was unaware of the many murders that were taking place. But there’s more."
Interesting that you don't post anything about all of the same exact crap that Zelensky is doing in Ukraine and worse. He has been very anti democracy and freedom. And how about the US govt? Washington, Big Media, Big Pharma, Big Tech, Military Industrial Complex, and so on. Do you not see how the US has become the biggest threat to peace and prosperity in the world? Of course, it's all been prophesied, and soon enough the US will be ripe for a Godly cleansing. Think of China and Russia as the Lamanites and the US as the Nephites. The US exists on a covenant land and the US is straying further and further from that covenant. And like the Nephites when they cankered they were chastened by the unrighteous Lamanites. What has happened before will happen again.

All governments are bad and corrupt from the US to Russia, from China to the EU nations. I hope you don't think that the US's hands are clean, that would be downright delusional. And again highlighting one nation's, or one cabal's dirty deeds does not give the others a pass. It is not either or here.

I am not claiming to be a Russian expert, but because I served in Russia in the early to mid-90s I have long kept my eye on Russia and my finger on the pulse of Russia. I have visited there a number of times over the years since and still am in contact with friends there. So looking at and trying to understand the nation and its people is not foreign or new to me. So in all humble sincerity, I am 99.9% sure that your mainstream media POV is way off.
I've been posting on this subject so long and still my position is misunderstood. I don't give the West a pass on bad deeds, nor Zelensky. It is my contention that they are all compromised by the communist conspiracy controlled by the Kremlin and Bejing, who have infiltrated and manipulated Western governments and institutions. They work with "the church" to administer these secret combinations to Westerners. Obviously they will use other means of manipulation and infiltration, and bribery and threats to get people to do what they want done in the West, which is to corrupt the government and make them appear as bullies. Zelensky is a literal actor like Trump. They are all servants of the same secret combination, and the ones with the big guns are calling the shots at the moment. So I believe Zelensky is Putin's puppet, as are all the oligarchs or main power players in Ukraine. Russia has been working within Ukraine long enough to have their people in there to pose as anti-Russian when they really are not. They are compromised individuals. I usually only write posts about Russia when I see people parroting their false propaganda, which makes the West out to be the ones who want WW3, when the reality is not that way at all. The beast is using the whore, committing fornication with her. She is not trying to control the beast, as she knows she can't. The beast is propping her up as long as he can gain something from her, and the at the final moment, he takes her out.
I don't know why you think that the communist conspiracy is on top and pulling the strings. The Western cabals were in effect well before the communist one. In fact, it was the Western one/s that helped get the communist one up and running. But of course, they are all ultimately under the direction of the Adversary.
Yes, it started out that way. The Jesuits experimented with communism in colonial south America, and so that's where it came from. Makes sense since it is a corrupt form of a divine order. But the Communists that took root in those early days made a comment that they could do it better, and they took off with the conspiracy themselves, also infiltrating the church.

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buffalo_girl wrote: February 3rd, 2023, 2:05 pm It might do well to also understand that Russia is a practicing Orthodox Christian nation. That fact seems to be overlooked by western media.

Russian view regarding sexual deviance is often & soundly reviled by the West as a prime indicator of President Putin’s inhumanity & extreme governmental policy.

Every address or statement given by President Putin; The Minister of Foreign Affairs, Sergey Lavrov; or from Maria Zakharova, Director of Information & Press Dept of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs has been intelligent, open, citing historical context, International Law pertaining to War, UN & NATO agreements & treaties as pertaining to current Russian military operations to protect Russia’s sovereignty along with those ethnic Russian populated States in eastern Ukraine which overwhelmingly voted by referendum to remain part of Mother Russia - as that region has historically been since the 1700’s.

In contrast, everything I hear from Western media here, Canada, across UK & EU foment hate & increasing military aggression.

Last week, addressing a Hearing on Countering Russian Aggression, Victoria Nuland, Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs, could hardly contain her glee over the destruction of Nordstream pipeline to Germany. This is the same woman instrumental in bringing about the Ukrainian Coup of 2014, who blew off hesitancy on the part of the EU by saying, “F___ the EU!”,( 3:11 on the video below) over the recorded phone conversation with Geoffrey Pratt. (Joe Biden was then US Vice President in the Obama Administration. His son, Hunter, seems to have greatly benefited from the 2014 Ukrainian Coup!)
Underlying images toward the end of this conversation document the mayhem in Kiev manipulated by the puppet masters to wrest power from the existing government - more in alliance with Russia.

There was also a May 2014 massacre in Odessa when ethnic Russians peacefully protesting against separation from the Russian Federation were burned alive in a locked building.
https://mronline.org/2022/05/16/the-onc ... y-and-sad/

I'm willing to let Russia & Ukraine settle their differences without interference by the Western Powers. May God help us all to discern right from wrong, truth from error!
You gave a link to a story about the Odessa fire, and I would encourage you to read a variety of opinions on what actually happened that day. The article was written by Jeremy Kuzmarov, who ironically I just mentioned in another thread as a conspiracy guy. Kuzmarov is a Russian name, and MR online is a Marxist publication.

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