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Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑June 27th, 2022, 7:13 pm

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑June 27th, 2022, 5:56 pm

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑June 27th, 2022, 7:41 am

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑June 26th, 2022, 11:30 pm

The Nemenhah Record isn't scripture. That's the issue you're running into here. The first post makes it clear (in my opinion) that the HSOP is Christ.

We can disagree. Have you ever read it?

I have read some of it.

Some... Like a few words? There are 680 pages.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑June 28th, 2022, 10:18 am I read several of the books. Enough to decide for myself that it wasn't a true record. It is interesting though, so I'll give you that.

Matthew 3:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

BruceRGilbert wrote: ↑June 28th, 2022, 12:19 pm It is fitting that we recognize the EXAMPLE set before us in Scripture:

Matthew 3:
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

. . . and, afterwards, Jesus went into the wilderness to fast and be tested. He had received the Holy Spirit of Promise. The promise, in and of itself, is a Comforter.

2 Nephi 31:
17 Wherefore, do the things which I have told you I have seen that your Lord and your Redeemer should do; for, for this cause have they been shown unto me, that ye might know the gate by which ye should enter. For the gate by which ye should enter is repentance and baptism by water; and then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and by the Holy Ghost.
18 And then are ye in this strait and narrow path which leads to eternal life; yea, ye have entered in by the gate; ye have done according to the commandments of the Father and the Son; and ye have received the Holy Ghost, which witnesses of the Father and the Son, unto the fulfilling of the promise which he hath made, that if ye entered in by the way ye should receive.
19 And now, my beloved brethren, after ye have gotten into this strait and narrow path, I would ask if all is done? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; for ye have not come thus far save it were by the word of Christ with unshaken faith in him, relying wholly upon the merits of him who is mighty to save.
20 Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life.
21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.

TheDuke wrote: ↑June 27th, 2022, 9:38 pm So, is this thread about the HSoP or some random thoughts from non-scriptural sources? I find a discussion of HSoP, very wonderful, but don't care to talk about the non-scriptural elements. Not that they cannot be introduced as discussion (anything is fair game here) but as contributing to the discussion, not fact finding the new stuff?

If this thread is about HSoP as stated in the OP and LDS scriptures, lets continue, if not lets make a new thread and let this one be about Reluctants new bible.

Assuming the first (i.e. as in OP). then I think we need to talk about two separate aspects and keep those separate and clean. First, is who/what is HSoP (HG, title, role, PH authority, all gods, etc..... what ever). and Second, how and by whom may it be manifest in the flesh (Savior in person, HG is person, HG in spirit, PSR, any elect person god chooses, one at a time, many at a time, etc...)

I put out a statement that LDS.org says HSoP is HG, and it says in 132 that one person on the ear holds the power (lDS hand out sealing authority to sealer, is that the same thing but delegated?), LDS also informally (via Tom Philips) that when you get your second anointing, you get to be a HSoP channeler or something like that.

Let me know which discussion should be had here (LDS'ish perspective or Nenemah)

ransomme wrote: ↑June 28th, 2022, 3:26 pm

TheDuke wrote: ↑June 27th, 2022, 9:38 pm So, is this thread about the HSoP or some random thoughts from non-scriptural sources? I find a discussion of HSoP, very wonderful, but don't care to talk about the non-scriptural elements. Not that they cannot be introduced as discussion (anything is fair game here) but as contributing to the discussion, not fact finding the new stuff?

If this thread is about HSoP as stated in the OP and LDS scriptures, lets continue, if not lets make a new thread and let this one be about Reluctants new bible.

Assuming the first (i.e. as in OP). then I think we need to talk about two separate aspects and keep those separate and clean. First, is who/what is HSoP (HG, title, role, PH authority, all gods, etc..... what ever). and Second, how and by whom may it be manifest in the flesh (Savior in person, HG is person, HG in spirit, PSR, any elect person god chooses, one at a time, many at a time, etc...)

I put out a statement that LDS.org says HSoP is HG, and it says in 132 that one person on the ear holds the power (lDS hand out sealing authority to sealer, is that the same thing but delegated?), LDS also informally (via Tom Philips) that when you get your second anointing, you get to be a HSoP channeler or something like that.

Let me know which discussion should be had here (LDS'ish perspective or Nenemah)

Seems like there are more pearls in Nehemiah than in 132, just saying. It's definitely more thought-provoking. There is nothing wrong with adding quotes from it to the discussion. Adds something interesting to the thread.

132 is very sus, is not doctrinally sound, and has obviously been tampered with after Joseph's death, to say the least.

Mamabear wrote: ↑June 29th, 2022, 9:43 am “Wherefore, I now send upon you ANOTHER Comforter, even upon you my friends, that it may abide in your hearts, even the Holy Spirit of promise; which other Comforter is the same that I promised unto my disciples, as is recorded in the testimony of John.
4 This Comforter IS THE PROMISE which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom;
5 Which glory is that of the church of the Firstborn, even of God, the holiest of all, through Jesus Christ his Son”
D&C 88:3-5

The Holy Spirit of promise is the promise the Lord gives you of eternal life. It is different than the Holy Spirit.

BruceRGilbert wrote: ↑June 28th, 2022, 12:59 pm Herein lies a "conditional promise" through revelation:

2 Nephi 31:
17 Wherefore, do the things which I have told you I have seen that your Lord and your Redeemer should do; for, for this cause have they been shown unto me, that ye might know the gate by which ye should enter. For the gate by which ye should enter is repentance and baptism by water; and then cometh a remission of your sins by fire and by the Holy Ghost.
18 And then are ye in this strait and narrow path which leads to eternal life; yea, ye have entered in by the gate; ye have done according to the commandments of the Father and the Son; and ye have received the Holy Ghost, which witnesses of the Father and the Son, unto the fulfilling of the promise which he hath made, that if ye entered in by the way ye should receive.
19 And now, my beloved brethren, after ye have gotten into this strait and narrow path, I would ask if all is done? Behold, I say unto you, Nay; for ye have not come thus far save it were by the word of Christ with unshaken faith in him, relying wholly upon the merits of him who is mighty to save.
20 Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ, having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men. Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ, and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father: Ye shall have eternal life.
21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑June 26th, 2022, 11:34 pm
I'm not sure what Seeker is saying, but the Second Comforter cannot dwell inside of you. That is an old sectarian notion and is false, according to Joseph Smith.

"when any man obtains this last Comforter he will have the personage of Jesus Christ to attend him or appear unto him from time to time"

He will appear unto him from time to time

D&C 88
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you who have assembled yourselves together to receive his will concerning you:
2 Behold, this is pleasing unto your Lord, and the angels rejoice over you; the alms of your prayers have come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, and are recorded in the book of the names of the sanctified, even them of the celestial world.
3 Wherefore, I now send upon you another Comforter, even upon you my friends, that it may abide in your hearts, even the Holy Spirit of promise; which other Comforter is the same that I promised unto my disciples, as is recorded in the testimony of John.
4 This Comforter is the promise which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom;
5 Which glory is that of the church of the Firstborn, even of God, the holiest of all, through Jesus Christ his Son

John 14
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

D&C 93
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am;
2 And that I am the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world;
3 And that I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one—
4 The Father because he gave me of his fulness, and the Son because I was in the world and made flesh my tabernacle, and dwelt among the sons of men.
5 I was in the world and received of my Father, and the works of him were plainly manifest.
6 And John saw and bore record of the fulness of my glory, and the fulness of John’s record is hereafter to be revealed.
7 And he bore record, saying: I saw his glory, that he was in the beginning, before the world was;
8 Therefore, in the beginning the Word was, for he was the Word, even the messenger of salvation—
9 The light and the Redeemer of the world; the Spirit of truth, who came into the world, because the world was made by him, and in him was the life of men and the light of men.
10 The worlds were made by him; men were made by him; all things were made by him, and through him, and of him.
11 And I, John, bear record that I beheld his glory, as the glory of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth, even the Spirit of truth, which came and dwelt in the flesh, and dwelt among us.
..
21 And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the Firstborn;
22 And all those who are begotten through me, (Receive the Second Comforter), are partakers of the glory of the same, and are the church of the Firstborn.
23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the Spirit of truth;
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.
26 The Spirit of truth is of God. I am the Spirit of truth, and John bore record of me, saying: He received a fulness of truth, yea, even of all truth;

D&C 88
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you who have assembled yourselves together to receive his will concerning you:
2 Behold, this is pleasing unto your Lord, and the angels rejoice over you; the alms of your prayers have come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, and are recorded in the book of the names of the sanctified, even them of the celestial world.
3 Wherefore, I now send upon you another Comforter, even upon you my friends, that it may abide in your hearts, even the Holy Spirit of promise; which other Comforter is the same that I promised unto my disciples, as is recorded in the testimony of John.
4 This Comforter is the promise which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom;
5 Which glory is that of the church of the Firstborn, even of God, the holiest of all, through Jesus Christ his Son

D&C 88
45 The earth rolls upon her wings, and the sun giveth his light by day, and the moon giveth her light by night, and the stars also give their light, as they roll upon their wings in their glory, in the midst of the power of God.
46 Unto what shall I liken these kingdoms, that ye may understand?
47 Behold, all these are kingdoms, and any man who hath seen any or the least of these hath seen God moving in his majesty and power.
48 I say unto you, he hath seen him; nevertheless, he who came unto his own was not comprehended.
49 The light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not; nevertheless, the day shall come when you shall comprehend even God, being quickened in him and by him.
50 Then shall ye know that ye have seen me, that I am, and that I am the true light that is in you, and that you are in me; otherwise ye could not abound.

D&C 88
6 He that ascended up on high (Christ), as also he descended below all things (Christ), in that he comprehended, (Comprehend in this verse does not mean "to mentally grasp, understand or know about", it means "include, comprise, or encompass"), all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth;
7 Which truth shineth. This is the light of Christ. As also he is IN the sun, and the light of the sun, and the power thereof by which it was made.
8 As also he is IN the moon, and is the light of the moon, and the power thereof by which it was made;
9 As also the light of the stars, and the power thereof by which they were made;
10 And the earth also, and the power thereof, even the earth upon which you stand.
11 And the light which shineth, which giveth you light, is through him who enlighteneth your eyes, which is the same light that quickeneth your understandings;
12 Which light proceedeth forth from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space—
13 The light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed, even the power of God who sitteth upon his throne, who is in the bosom of eternity, who is in the midst of all things.
...
41 He comprehendeth, (include, comprise, or encompass), all things, and all things are before him, and all things are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and is through all things, and is round about all things; and all things are by him, andof him even God,, forever and ever.
42 And again, verily I say unto you, he hath given a law unto all things, by which they move in their times and their seasons;
43 And their courses are fixed, even the courses of the heavens and the earth, which comprehend, (include, comprise, or encompass), the earth and all the planets.

John 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 18th, 2022, 1:54 am

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑June 26th, 2022, 11:34 pm
I'm not sure what Seeker is saying, but the Second Comforter cannot dwell inside of you. That is an old sectarian notion and is false, according to Joseph Smith.

"when any man obtains this last Comforter he will have the personage of Jesus Christ to attend him or appear unto him from time to time"

He will appear unto him from time to time

From my experience, when talking about the Second Comforter, there are several aspects that we might be talking about. Similar to the Holy Ghost. When talking about the Holy Ghost, we might be talking about the power of the Holy Ghost, the witness of the Holy Ghost, the gift of the Holy Ghost, etc. So saying the Holy Ghost doesn't provide the clarity that is needed to detail exactly what is being talked about. The power of the Holy Ghost can be felt by those who do not have the gift of the Holy Ghost, so to say that the Holy Ghost dwells in you is correct if you have the gift, but not if you only feel the power of the Holy Ghost.

The Second Comforter is similar.
Can it dwell in you? The Lord says yes.

D&C 88
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you who have assembled yourselves together to receive his will concerning you:
2 Behold, this is pleasing unto your Lord, and the angels rejoice over you; the alms of your prayers have come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, and are recorded in the book of the names of the sanctified, even them of the celestial world.
3 Wherefore, I now send upon you another Comforter, even upon you my friends, that it may abide in your hearts, even the Holy Spirit of promise; which other Comforter is the same that I promised unto my disciples, as is recorded in the testimony of John.
4 This Comforter is the promise which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom;
5 Which glory is that of the church of the Firstborn, even of God, the holiest of all, through Jesus Christ his Son

Where in John does it talk about this other comforter?

John 14
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

It says that the spirit of truth is the other comforter and that this comforter will dwell with us and will be IN in us. Immediately after saying that it will dwell in us, he says, "I will come to you" and "will manifest myself to him". This is the Second Comforter.

Who is the Second Comforter or the Spirit of Truth? It is Christ, the Redeemer.

D&C 93
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am;
2 And that I am the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world;
3 And that I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one—
4 The Father because he gave me of his fulness, and the Son because I was in the world and made flesh my tabernacle, and dwelt among the sons of men.
5 I was in the world and received of my Father, and the works of him were plainly manifest.
6 And John saw and bore record of the fulness of my glory, and the fulness of John’s record is hereafter to be revealed.
7 And he bore record, saying: I saw his glory, that he was in the beginning, before the world was;
8 Therefore, in the beginning the Word was, for he was the Word, even the messenger of salvation—
9 The light and the Redeemer of the world; the Spirit of truth, who came into the world, because the world was made by him, and in him was the life of men and the light of men.
10 The worlds were made by him; men were made by him; all things were made by him, and through him, and of him.
11 And I, John, bear record that I beheld his glory, as the glory of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth, even the Spirit of truth, which came and dwelt in the flesh, and dwelt among us.
..
21 And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the Firstborn;
22 And all those who are begotten through me, (Receive the Second Comforter), are partakers of the glory of the same, and are the church of the Firstborn.
23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the Spirit of truth;
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.
26 The Spirit of truth is of God. I am the Spirit of truth, and John bore record of me, saying: He received a fulness of truth, yea, even of all truth;

The Spirit of Truth is the Creator of the world and the Redeemer of the World. He is the speaker in D&C 93 that starts out by saying, "Verily, thus saith the Lord:" who then says, "I am the spirit of Truth".

From my experience, the Spirit of Truth is not the Holy Ghost or First Comforter, it is the Second Comforter. It is the Redeemer of the world and the Creator of the world that is in all things and through all things of all things and round about all things and the power by which all things were created.

I quoted D&C 88 above that says,

D&C 88
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you who have assembled yourselves together to receive his will concerning you:
2 Behold, this is pleasing unto your Lord, and the angels rejoice over you; the alms of your prayers have come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, and are recorded in the book of the names of the sanctified, even them of the celestial world.
3 Wherefore, I now send upon you another Comforter, even upon you my friends, that it may abide in your hearts, even the Holy Spirit of promise; which other Comforter is the same that I promised unto my disciples, as is recorded in the testimony of John.
4 This Comforter is the promise which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom;
5 Which glory is that of the church of the Firstborn, even of God, the holiest of all, through Jesus Christ his Son

It goes on to say the following which tells us that we have all already seen God but because we did not comprehend Him, we didn't know we saw Him. It promises that when we do comprehend God then we will realized that we have seen Him, (the one speaking to Joseph Smith) who said in D&C 88, "YOU HAVE SEEN ME!"

D&C 88
45 The earth rolls upon her wings, and the sun giveth his light by day, and the moon giveth her light by night, and the stars also give their light, as they roll upon their wings in their glory, in the midst of the power of God.
46 Unto what shall I liken these kingdoms, that ye may understand?
47 Behold, all these are kingdoms, and any man who hath seen any or the least of these hath seen God moving in his majesty and power.
48 I say unto you, he hath seen him; nevertheless, he who came unto his own was not comprehended.
49 The light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not; nevertheless, the day shall come when you shall comprehend even God, being quickened in him and by him.
50 Then shall ye know that ye have seen me, that I am, and that I am the true light that is in you, and that you are in me; otherwise ye could not abound.

We ARE in Him and He is in us. He is the Life of the world. If we weren't in Him, then we could not abound, live, exist. Unless you comprehend God, these verses will not make any sense to you. If you let go of your bias so that you can read them and understand what they are saying you will run into your preconceived notions and your pride says you already know what the Second Comforter is and that it can't dwell in us. You already think you know what God is and your current view of God does not match up to what the Lord said about Himself in these verses, so they don't make sense. And, He tells us that we do not comprehend Him. So, you can safely assume that your current view of God is not correct. He tells us that when we do comprehend Him we will KNOW the we HAVE seen Him and that He is in us and we are in him otherwise we could not abound.

The Lord tells us in D&C 88 that, If you think you have not seen God, then you do not comprehend God.

When we read these verses, we are told, "all these are kingdoms, and any man who hath seen any or the least of these hath seen God"

What are the kingdoms is He talking about? The earth, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars.

How is it that "any man who hath seen any or the least of these" kingdoms, "hath seen God"?

Going back up to verses 6-13 in the same chapter we are told that this is true because He is IN and THROUGH ALL THINGS and the POWER by which all things were made. He is IN the sun, IN the moon, IN the stars and IN the earth and the power by which all these were made.

D&C 88
6 He that ascended up on high (Christ), as also he descended below all things (Christ), in that he comprehended, (Comprehend in this verse does not mean "to mentally grasp, understand or know about", it means "include, comprise, or encompass"), all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth;
7 Which truth shineth. This is the light of Christ. As also he is IN the sun, and the light of the sun, and the power thereof by which it was made.
8 As also he is IN the moon, and is the light of the moon, and the power thereof by which it was made;
9 As also the light of the stars, and the power thereof by which they were made;
10 And the earth also, and the power thereof, even the earth upon which you stand.
11 And the light which shineth, which giveth you light, is through him who enlighteneth your eyes, which is the same light that quickeneth your understandings;
12 Which light proceedeth forth from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space—
13 The light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed, even the power of God who sitteth upon his throne, who is in the bosom of eternity, who is in the midst of all things.
...
41 He comprehendeth, (include, comprise, or encompass), all things, and all things are before him, and all things are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and is through all things, and is round about all things; and all things are by him, andof him even God,, forever and ever.
42 And again, verily I say unto you, he hath given a law unto all things, by which they move in their times and their seasons;
43 And their courses are fixed, even the courses of the heavens and the earth, which comprehend, (include, comprise, or encompass), the earth and all the planets.

Repeatedly in this section the word "comprehend" is used. This word can mean several things. Most people read it to mean "mentally grasp or understand" this is not the correct use of the word in this section. Each time it is used in this section it means "to include, comprise or encompass" as in heaven comprehends the earth and all the planets and God comprehends all things. Because God comprehends, (comprises or encompasses all things), all things are before God, all things are round about God, he is above them and below them, and He is IN all things and in the midst of all things. All things are by him and "OF Him", as in part "of Him", even God.

Because all things are part of Him, if you have seen any of these things, even in the least degree, you have seen God. All things include you. he is in you and above you and under you and around you and through you. You are "OF Him" as in a part "of Him".

This is the God speaking to Joseph Smith in D&C 88 and 93 and who starts with "Thus saith the Lord:" and later "I am the spirit of truth", "you have seen me" but didn't comprehend me, "I am in you and you are in me". This is the same God Jesus spoke about in John 17 where Jesus said,

John 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

I know full well that the church does not teach about this God that is in and through all things whom we have all seen but not comprehended. This God who calls himself the Redeemer and Creator of the world, the Life of the World, etc. I don't recall Joseph Smith teaching about this God. But then, The Lord told him in D&C 88 that he, Joseph Smith, didn't comprehend this God and would one day comprehend Him and when Joseph did comprehend Him, he would know that he (Joseph) has seen Him (God). If the Lord only revealed things that Joseph already knew and comprehended, then the Lord would be really limited in what He could reveal and Joseph wouldn't have been much of a revelator. The fact that the Lord taught things that Joseph Smith didn't accept or agree with is a testimony to the fact that the revelation was not a creation from the mind of Joseph Smith. If it was, then it could only have agreed with ideas that Joseph Smith believed and accepted and would not have been a revelation from the mind of God who sees and teaches things that are not comprehended by men.

The Second Comforter is the Spirit of Truth which is in us and the power by which we are alive. Receiving the Second Comforter means gaining access to the mind and power of God. It means receiving the promise of eternal life and the glory of the Church of the Firstborn and all the blessings of eternity that come with it. (See D&C 76:54-70 All things are theirs, the Father hath given them all things, they are gods, etc.) Yes, it also means that we can see Jesus Christ from time to time, but is also means that the Father and the son dwell with us and take up their abode with us.

Those who see God, as He truly is, understand why Jesus taught, "whatsoever ye have done to the least of these, ye have done to me", both the good and the bad. You cannot interact with anyone or anything without interacting with God, Christ, the Redeemer. There is no place that God does not exist because God is in all things and through all things and round about all things. If something exists, then God exists and is there and is the power by which it was made and exists. This is the God of gods. We can only become gods by becoming one with this God. the atonement is intended to make us one with this God. To be one with God, you must be one with all men and all things.

~Seeker

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑December 18th, 2022, 2:17 am

Seeker144k wrote: ↑December 18th, 2022, 1:54 am

Wolfwoman wrote: ↑June 26th, 2022, 11:34 pm
I'm not sure what Seeker is saying, but the Second Comforter cannot dwell inside of you. That is an old sectarian notion and is false, according to Joseph Smith.

"when any man obtains this last Comforter he will have the personage of Jesus Christ to attend him or appear unto him from time to time"

He will appear unto him from time to time

From my experience, when talking about the Second Comforter, there are several aspects that we might be talking about. Similar to the Holy Ghost. When talking about the Holy Ghost, we might be talking about the power of the Holy Ghost, the witness of the Holy Ghost, the gift of the Holy Ghost, etc. So saying the Holy Ghost doesn't provide the clarity that is needed to detail exactly what is being talked about. The power of the Holy Ghost can be felt by those who do not have the gift of the Holy Ghost, so to say that the Holy Ghost dwells in you is correct if you have the gift, but not if you only feel the power of the Holy Ghost.

The Second Comforter is similar.
Can it dwell in you? The Lord says yes.

D&C 88
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you who have assembled yourselves together to receive his will concerning you:
2 Behold, this is pleasing unto your Lord, and the angels rejoice over you; the alms of your prayers have come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, and are recorded in the book of the names of the sanctified, even them of the celestial world.
3 Wherefore, I now send upon you another Comforter, even upon you my friends, that it may abide in your hearts, even the Holy Spirit of promise; which other Comforter is the same that I promised unto my disciples, as is recorded in the testimony of John.
4 This Comforter is the promise which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom;
5 Which glory is that of the church of the Firstborn, even of God, the holiest of all, through Jesus Christ his Son

Where in John does it talk about this other comforter?

John 14
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

It says that the spirit of truth is the other comforter and that this comforter will dwell with us and will be IN in us. Immediately after saying that it will dwell in us, he says, "I will come to you" and "will manifest myself to him". This is the Second Comforter.

Who is the Second Comforter or the Spirit of Truth? It is Christ, the Redeemer.

D&C 93
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord: It shall come to pass that every soul who forsaketh his sins and cometh unto me, and calleth on my name, and obeyeth my voice, and keepeth my commandments, shall see my face and know that I am;
2 And that I am the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world;
3 And that I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one—
4 The Father because he gave me of his fulness, and the Son because I was in the world and made flesh my tabernacle, and dwelt among the sons of men.
5 I was in the world and received of my Father, and the works of him were plainly manifest.
6 And John saw and bore record of the fulness of my glory, and the fulness of John’s record is hereafter to be revealed.
7 And he bore record, saying: I saw his glory, that he was in the beginning, before the world was;
8 Therefore, in the beginning the Word was, for he was the Word, even the messenger of salvation—
9 The light and the Redeemer of the world; the Spirit of truth, who came into the world, because the world was made by him, and in him was the life of men and the light of men.
10 The worlds were made by him; men were made by him; all things were made by him, and through him, and of him.
11 And I, John, bear record that I beheld his glory, as the glory of the Only Begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth, even the Spirit of truth, which came and dwelt in the flesh, and dwelt among us.
..
21 And now, verily I say unto you, I was in the beginning with the Father, and am the Firstborn;
22 And all those who are begotten through me, (Receive the Second Comforter), are partakers of the glory of the same, and are the church of the Firstborn.
23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the Spirit of truth;
24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;
25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning.
26 The Spirit of truth is of God. I am the Spirit of truth, and John bore record of me, saying: He received a fulness of truth, yea, even of all truth;

The Spirit of Truth is the Creator of the world and the Redeemer of the World. He is the speaker in D&C 93 that starts out by saying, "Verily, thus saith the Lord:" who then says, "I am the spirit of Truth".

From my experience, the Spirit of Truth is not the Holy Ghost or First Comforter, it is the Second Comforter. It is the Redeemer of the world and the Creator of the world that is in all things and through all things of all things and round about all things and the power by which all things were created.

I quoted D&C 88 above that says,

D&C 88
1 Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you who have assembled yourselves together to receive his will concerning you:
2 Behold, this is pleasing unto your Lord, and the angels rejoice over you; the alms of your prayers have come up into the ears of the Lord of Sabaoth, and are recorded in the book of the names of the sanctified, even them of the celestial world.
3 Wherefore, I now send upon you another Comforter, even upon you my friends, that it may abide in your hearts, even the Holy Spirit of promise; which other Comforter is the same that I promised unto my disciples, as is recorded in the testimony of John.
4 This Comforter is the promise which I give unto you of eternal life, even the glory of the celestial kingdom;
5 Which glory is that of the church of the Firstborn, even of God, the holiest of all, through Jesus Christ his Son

It goes on to say the following which tells us that we have all already seen God but because we did not comprehend Him, we didn't know we saw Him. It promises that when we do comprehend God then we will realized that we have seen Him, (the one speaking to Joseph Smith) who said in D&C 88, "YOU HAVE SEEN ME!"

D&C 88
45 The earth rolls upon her wings, and the sun giveth his light by day, and the moon giveth her light by night, and the stars also give their light, as they roll upon their wings in their glory, in the midst of the power of God.
46 Unto what shall I liken these kingdoms, that ye may understand?
47 Behold, all these are kingdoms, and any man who hath seen any or the least of these hath seen God moving in his majesty and power.
48 I say unto you, he hath seen him; nevertheless, he who came unto his own was not comprehended.
49 The light shineth in darkness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not; nevertheless, the day shall come when you shall comprehend even God, being quickened in him and by him.
50 Then shall ye know that ye have seen me, that I am, and that I am the true light that is in you, and that you are in me; otherwise ye could not abound.

We ARE in Him and He is in us. He is the Life of the world. If we weren't in Him, then we could not abound, live, exist. Unless you comprehend God, these verses will not make any sense to you. If you let go of your bias so that you can read them and understand what they are saying you will run into your preconceived notions and your pride says you already know what the Second Comforter is and that it can't dwell in us. You already think you know what God is and your current view of God does not match up to what the Lord said about Himself in these verses, so they don't make sense. And, He tells us that we do not comprehend Him. So, you can safely assume that your current view of God is not correct. He tells us that when we do comprehend Him we will KNOW the we HAVE seen Him and that He is in us and we are in him otherwise we could not abound.

The Lord tells us in D&C 88 that, If you think you have not seen God, then you do not comprehend God.

When we read these verses, we are told, "all these are kingdoms, and any man who hath seen any or the least of these hath seen God"

What are the kingdoms is He talking about? The earth, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars.

How is it that "any man who hath seen any or the least of these" kingdoms, "hath seen God"?

Going back up to verses 6-13 in the same chapter we are told that this is true because He is IN and THROUGH ALL THINGS and the POWER by which all things were made. He is IN the sun, IN the moon, IN the stars and IN the earth and the power by which all these were made.

D&C 88
6 He that ascended up on high (Christ), as also he descended below all things (Christ), in that he comprehended, (Comprehend in this verse does not mean "to mentally grasp, understand or know about", it means "include, comprise, or encompass"), all things, that he might be in all and through all things, the light of truth;
7 Which truth shineth. This is the light of Christ. As also he is IN the sun, and the light of the sun, and the power thereof by which it was made.
8 As also he is IN the moon, and is the light of the moon, and the power thereof by which it was made;
9 As also the light of the stars, and the power thereof by which they were made;
10 And the earth also, and the power thereof, even the earth upon which you stand.
11 And the light which shineth, which giveth you light, is through him who enlighteneth your eyes, which is the same light that quickeneth your understandings;
12 Which light proceedeth forth from the presence of God to fill the immensity of space—
13 The light which is in all things, which giveth life to all things, which is the law by which all things are governed, even the power of God who sitteth upon his throne, who is in the bosom of eternity, who is in the midst of all things.
...
41 He comprehendeth, (include, comprise, or encompass), all things, and all things are before him, and all things are round about him; and he is above all things, and in all things, and is through all things, and is round about all things; and all things are by him, andof him even God,, forever and ever.
42 And again, verily I say unto you, he hath given a law unto all things, by which they move in their times and their seasons;
43 And their courses are fixed, even the courses of the heavens and the earth, which comprehend, (include, comprise, or encompass), the earth and all the planets.

Repeatedly in this section the word "comprehend" is used. This word can mean several things. Most people read it to mean "mentally grasp or understand" this is not the correct use of the word in this section. Each time it is used in this section it means "to include, comprise or encompass" as in heaven comprehends the earth and all the planets and God comprehends all things. Because God comprehends, (comprises or encompasses all things), all things are before God, all things are round about God, he is above them and below them, and He is IN all things and in the midst of all things. All things are by him and "OF Him", as in part "of Him", even God.

Because all things are part of Him, if you have seen any of these things, even in the least degree, you have seen God. All things include you. he is in you and above you and under you and around you and through you. You are "OF Him" as in a part "of Him".

This is the God speaking to Joseph Smith in D&C 88 and 93 and who starts with "Thus saith the Lord:" and later "I am the spirit of truth", "you have seen me" but didn't comprehend me, "I am in you and you are in me". This is the same God Jesus spoke about in John 17 where Jesus said,

John 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

I know full well that the church does not teach about this God that is in and through all things whom we have all seen but not comprehended. This God who calls himself the Redeemer and Creator of the world, the Life of the World, etc. I don't recall Joseph Smith teaching about this God. But then, The Lord told him in D&C 88 that he, Joseph Smith, didn't comprehend this God and would one day comprehend Him and when Joseph did comprehend Him, he would know that he (Joseph) has seen Him (God). If the Lord only revealed things that Joseph already knew and comprehended, then the Lord would be really limited in what He could reveal and Joseph wouldn't have been much of a revelator. The fact that the Lord taught things that Joseph Smith didn't accept or agree with is a testimony to the fact that the revelation was not a creation from the mind of Joseph Smith. If it was, then it could only have agreed with ideas that Joseph Smith believed and accepted and would not have been a revelation from the mind of God who sees and teaches things that are not comprehended by men.

The Second Comforter is the Spirit of Truth which is in us and the power by which we are alive. Receiving the Second Comforter means gaining access to the mind and power of God. It means receiving the promise of eternal life and the glory of the Church of the Firstborn and all the blessings of eternity that come with it. (See D&C 76:54-70 All things are theirs, the Father hath given them all things, they are gods, etc.) Yes, it also means that we can see Jesus Christ from time to time, but is also means that the Father and the son dwell with us and take up their abode with us.

Those who see God, as He truly is, understand why Jesus taught, "whatsoever ye have done to the least of these, ye have done to me", both the good and the bad. You cannot interact with anyone or anything without interacting with God, Christ, the Redeemer. There is no place that God does not exist because God is in all things and through all things and round about all things. If something exists, then God exists and is there and is the power by which it was made and exists. This is the God of gods. We can only become gods by becoming one with this God. the atonement is intended to make us one with this God. To be one with God, you must be one with all men and all things.

~Seeker

Not sure if you’re speaking directly to me here, or to … everyone…. But if you’re speaking directly to me, you’re making a lot of judgements about what you think I know or don’t know, believe or don’t believe.

I like what you wrote though.

Yes the spirit of truth is in all things and through all things.

Let’s just say that the tabernacle of Jesus doesn’t dwell in your heart.

TheDuke wrote: ↑June 25th, 2022, 7:41 pm Wrong question in the OP. Should be "what" not "who". "who" is the delivery mechanism.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑June 28th, 2022, 6:44 pm I intentionally left out 132 and the reference to the HSoP.

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑December 18th, 2022, 11:59 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑June 28th, 2022, 6:44 pm I intentionally left out 132 and the reference to the HSoP.

Intentionally leaving out scriptures JS did not canonize is perfectly fine.

Intentionally leaving out scriptures he did canonize is where I fault you.

But at least now all the LoF deniers are identified and neatly tied up into a bundle, lol.

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑December 18th, 2022, 12:51 pm

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑December 18th, 2022, 11:59 am

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑June 28th, 2022, 6:44 pm I intentionally left out 132 and the reference to the HSoP.

Intentionally leaving out scriptures JS did not canonize is perfectly fine.

Intentionally leaving out scriptures he did canonize is where I fault you.

But at least now all the LoF deniers are identified and neatly tied up into a bundle, lol.

Current 132 did not come from Joseph.

SJR3t2 wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 2:47 am The Holy Spirit / Ghost is an IT not a HE.

IT
2 Nephi (LDS 33:2) (RLDS 15:2) But behold, there are many that DARDEN their HEARTS against the HOLY SPIRIT, that IT hath no place in them; wherefore, they cast many things away which are written and esteem them as things of naught.
***
2 Nephi (LDS 31:8-9) (RLDS 13:10-11)
8 Wherefore, after he was baptized with water the HOLY GHOST DESCENDED upon him in the form of a DOVE. 9 And again, IT showeth unto the children of men the straitness of the path, and the narrowness of the gate, by which they should enter, he [Jesus] having set the example before them.
2 Nephi (LDS 32:5) (RLDS 14:6) For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and RECEIVE the HOLY GHOST, IT will SHOW unto you all things what ye SHOULD DO.
Alma (LDS 34:38) (RLDS 16:237-238) That ye CONTEND no more against the HOLY GHOST, but that ye RECEIVE IT, and take upon you the name of Christ; that ye humble yourselves even to the dust, and worship God, in whatsoever place ye may be in, in spirit and in truth; and that ye live in thanksgiving daily, for the many mercies and blessings which he doth bestow upon you.
Alma (LDS 39:6) (RLDS 19:8-9) For behold, if ye DENY the HOLY GHOST when IT once has had place in you, and ye know that ye deny IT, behold, this is a sin which is unpardonable; yea, and whosoever murdereth against the light and knowledge of God, it is not easy for him to obtain forgiveness; yea, I say unto you, my son, that it is not easy for him to obtain a forgiveness.
Moroni (LDS 2:2) (RLDS 2:2) And he called them by name, saying: Ye shall call on the Father in my name, in mighty prayer; and after ye have done this ye shall have power that to him upon whom ye shall lay your hands, ye shall GIVE the HOLY GHOST; and in my name shall ye give IT, for thus do mine apostles.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2019/06/09/the- ... -the-same/

The Holy Spirit / Ghost is the law / Torah.
YHWH’s law / Torah is about love of YHWH and loving others including ourselves. The law / Torah tells us how we are to act / behave in all situations, and thus telling us all things we should do.
In closing may we all be pricked in the hearts to repent and return to YHWH’s law / Torah which teaches us how He wants us to act in all situations to be like Him such that we will recognize Him when He comes that we may live with Him for all eternity.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2022/10/05/all- ... o-chiasmi/

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 5:25 am

SJR3t2 wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 2:47 am The Holy Spirit / Ghost is an IT not a HE.

IT
2 Nephi (LDS 33:2) (RLDS 15:2) But behold, there are many that DARDEN their HEARTS against the HOLY SPIRIT, that IT hath no place in them; wherefore, they cast many things away which are written and esteem them as things of naught.
***
2 Nephi (LDS 31:8-9) (RLDS 13:10-11)
8 Wherefore, after he was baptized with water the HOLY GHOST DESCENDED upon him in the form of a DOVE. 9 And again, IT showeth unto the children of men the straitness of the path, and the narrowness of the gate, by which they should enter, he [Jesus] having set the example before them.
2 Nephi (LDS 32:5) (RLDS 14:6) For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and RECEIVE the HOLY GHOST, IT will SHOW unto you all things what ye SHOULD DO.
Alma (LDS 34:38) (RLDS 16:237-238) That ye CONTEND no more against the HOLY GHOST, but that ye RECEIVE IT, and take upon you the name of Christ; that ye humble yourselves even to the dust, and worship God, in whatsoever place ye may be in, in spirit and in truth; and that ye live in thanksgiving daily, for the many mercies and blessings which he doth bestow upon you.
Alma (LDS 39:6) (RLDS 19:8-9) For behold, if ye DENY the HOLY GHOST when IT once has had place in you, and ye know that ye deny IT, behold, this is a sin which is unpardonable; yea, and whosoever murdereth against the light and knowledge of God, it is not easy for him to obtain forgiveness; yea, I say unto you, my son, that it is not easy for him to obtain a forgiveness.
Moroni (LDS 2:2) (RLDS 2:2) And he called them by name, saying: Ye shall call on the Father in my name, in mighty prayer; and after ye have done this ye shall have power that to him upon whom ye shall lay your hands, ye shall GIVE the HOLY GHOST; and in my name shall ye give IT, for thus do mine apostles.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2019/06/09/the- ... -the-same/

The Holy Spirit / Ghost is the law / Torah.
YHWH’s law / Torah is about love of YHWH and loving others including ourselves. The law / Torah tells us how we are to act / behave in all situations, and thus telling us all things we should do.
In closing may we all be pricked in the hearts to repent and return to YHWH’s law / Torah which teaches us how He wants us to act in all situations to be like Him such that we will recognize Him when He comes that we may live with Him for all eternity.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2022/10/05/all- ... o-chiasmi/

The Holy Ghost is Spirit, not a law. In fact, in some teachings, it is a race of spirits, or in other words, The Holy Ghost People.

SJR3t2 wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 2:47 am The Holy Spirit / Ghost is an IT not a HE.

IT
2 Nephi (LDS 33:2) (RLDS 15:2) But behold, there are many that DARDEN their HEARTS against the HOLY SPIRIT, that IT hath no place in them; wherefore, they cast many things away which are written and esteem them as things of naught.
***
2 Nephi (LDS 31:8-9) (RLDS 13:10-11)
8 Wherefore, after he was baptized with water the HOLY GHOST DESCENDED upon him in the form of a DOVE. 9 And again, IT showeth unto the children of men the straitness of the path, and the narrowness of the gate, by which they should enter, he [Jesus] having set the example before them.
2 Nephi (LDS 32:5) (RLDS 14:6) For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and RECEIVE the HOLY GHOST, IT will SHOW unto you all things what ye SHOULD DO.
Alma (LDS 34:38) (RLDS 16:237-238) That ye CONTEND no more against the HOLY GHOST, but that ye RECEIVE IT, and take upon you the name of Christ; that ye humble yourselves even to the dust, and worship God, in whatsoever place ye may be in, in spirit and in truth; and that ye live in thanksgiving daily, for the many mercies and blessings which he doth bestow upon you.
Alma (LDS 39:6) (RLDS 19:8-9) For behold, if ye DENY the HOLY GHOST when IT once has had place in you, and ye know that ye deny IT, behold, this is a sin which is unpardonable; yea, and whosoever murdereth against the light and knowledge of God, it is not easy for him to obtain forgiveness; yea, I say unto you, my son, that it is not easy for him to obtain a forgiveness.
Moroni (LDS 2:2) (RLDS 2:2) And he called them by name, saying: Ye shall call on the Father in my name, in mighty prayer; and after ye have done this ye shall have power that to him upon whom ye shall lay your hands, ye shall GIVE the HOLY GHOST; and in my name shall ye give IT, for thus do mine apostles.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2019/06/09/the- ... -the-same/

The Holy Spirit / Ghost is the law / Torah.
YHWH’s law / Torah is about love of YHWH and loving others including ourselves. The law / Torah tells us how we are to act / behave in all situations, and thus telling us all things we should do.
In closing may we all be pricked in the hearts to repent and return to YHWH’s law / Torah which teaches us how He wants us to act in all situations to be like Him such that we will recognize Him when He comes that we may live with Him for all eternity.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2022/10/05/all- ... o-chiasmi/

Reluctant Watchman wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 5:25 am

SJR3t2 wrote: ↑December 23rd, 2022, 2:47 am The Holy Spirit / Ghost is an IT not a HE.

IT
2 Nephi (LDS 33:2) (RLDS 15:2) But behold, there are many that DARDEN their HEARTS against the HOLY SPIRIT, that IT hath no place in them; wherefore, they cast many things away which are written and esteem them as things of naught.
***
2 Nephi (LDS 31:8-9) (RLDS 13:10-11)
8 Wherefore, after he was baptized with water the HOLY GHOST DESCENDED upon him in the form of a DOVE. 9 And again, IT showeth unto the children of men the straitness of the path, and the narrowness of the gate, by which they should enter, he [Jesus] having set the example before them.
2 Nephi (LDS 32:5) (RLDS 14:6) For behold, again I say unto you that if ye will enter in by the way, and RECEIVE the HOLY GHOST, IT will SHOW unto you all things what ye SHOULD DO.
Alma (LDS 34:38) (RLDS 16:237-238) That ye CONTEND no more against the HOLY GHOST, but that ye RECEIVE IT, and take upon you the name of Christ; that ye humble yourselves even to the dust, and worship God, in whatsoever place ye may be in, in spirit and in truth; and that ye live in thanksgiving daily, for the many mercies and blessings which he doth bestow upon you.
Alma (LDS 39:6) (RLDS 19:8-9) For behold, if ye DENY the HOLY GHOST when IT once has had place in you, and ye know that ye deny IT, behold, this is a sin which is unpardonable; yea, and whosoever murdereth against the light and knowledge of God, it is not easy for him to obtain forgiveness; yea, I say unto you, my son, that it is not easy for him to obtain a forgiveness.
Moroni (LDS 2:2) (RLDS 2:2) And he called them by name, saying: Ye shall call on the Father in my name, in mighty prayer; and after ye have done this ye shall have power that to him upon whom ye shall lay your hands, ye shall GIVE the HOLY GHOST; and in my name shall ye give IT, for thus do mine apostles.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2019/06/09/the- ... -the-same/

The Holy Spirit / Ghost is the law / Torah.
YHWH’s law / Torah is about love of YHWH and loving others including ourselves. The law / Torah tells us how we are to act / behave in all situations, and thus telling us all things we should do.
In closing may we all be pricked in the hearts to repent and return to YHWH’s law / Torah which teaches us how He wants us to act in all situations to be like Him such that we will recognize Him when He comes that we may live with Him for all eternity.
https://seekingyhwh.org/2022/10/05/all- ... o-chiasmi/

The Holy Ghost is Spirit, not a law. In fact, in some teachings, it is a race of spirits, or in other words, The Holy Ghost People.