Martial law scenario -> Run, Hide, Fight, or cave in?

[BroJones]

We have discussed various reasons that some form of martial law (including seizure of guns and ammo)-- as right after Katrina-- is likely to arise in the USA (and perhaps other countries). As Kissinger said, all it takes is a crisis, whether "real or promulgated", doesn't matter, and there arises a "great' opportunity.

So if we take as a starting point "some form of martial law (including seizure of guns and ammo)-"
Then what are our best options?

I suggest there are FOUR options with variations. If you can think of other distinct options, PLS raise them here!

1. Run -- e.g. to a place in mtns. where you have cached food and resources

2. Hide -- e.g. in a secret place you know of in your house

3. Fight -- e.g. if attacked, and you have weapons right at hand

4. Cave in -- e.g. give them your guns and ammo and "hoarded food" and go to the FEMA camp if they ask you to. (Most people took this option in New Orleans after Katrina, and suffered greatly in the Superdome and other "FEMA camps.")

WHICH IS BEST, depending on what?
Can we do some advance planning (with family etc) and preparations, such as caches?
Speaking in general terms of course -- not your family's particular plans.

[Rob]

4. Cave in -- e.g. give them your guns and ammo and "hoarded food" and go to the FEMA camp if they ask you to. (Most people took this option in New Orleans after Katrina, and suffered greatly in the Superdome and other "FEMA camps.")

WHICH IS BEST, depending on what?
Can we do some advance planning (with family etc) and preparations, such as caches

I was recently given revelation that I feel I can share for the benefit of all who would hear.

Those people who would round us up and place us in detention facilities only have power to gather and force, not to sustain. As has been stated, "evil has its time", and then it's over.

Yeah, it's harsh. And, no, I don't wanna. Survival tends to dictate otherwise. But this is what I was told. The PTB can terrorize, pillage, devour & destroy, but they cannot endure.

[lamanite]

An option that is not mentioned - Compromise (Lie). I don't have a problem handing over a weapon. And keeping other weapons hidden in another location. You can't take what you can't find. It is not any more morally wrong than resisting in other ways.

The big dilemma in my mind is what do you do if they try to round you up? Or what if they come and take my family while I am out? I have a feeling people would wake up very quickly to what is going on if they try to start rounding people up. Remember how the Nephites broke into the camps of the Lamanites or armed the prisoners over the wall? I remember as a missionary somebody asking me "In the Book of Mormon, why do we read through so much strategic war stuff all throughout Alma?". Later the light came on in my head. Written for our day! It may not be me personally, but SOME generation is going to go through this stuff and maybe almost EXACTLY!

[keeprunning]

I always wonder when/if I'll have to use the 'get the guards drunk, then sneak out at night' strategy whenever I read that part of the BoM.

[Nan]

I always wonder when/if I'll have to use the 'get the guards drunk, then sneak out at night' strategy whenever I read that part of the BoM.

I have wondered the same thing.

[believer]

Rob said:
"I was recently given revelation that I feel I can share for the benefit of all who would hear.

Those people who would round us up and place us in detention facilities only have power to gather and force, not to sustain. As has been stated, "evil has its time", and then it's over.

Yeah, it's harsh. And, no, I don't wanna. Survival tends to dictate otherwise. But this is what I was told. The PTB can terrorize, pillage, devour & destroy, but they cannot endure."
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Thanks for sharing that with us. We need to remember that the Lord is in control, and knows the beginning from the end.

Believer

[believer]

Lamanite said:
"I remember as a missionary somebody asking me "In the Book of Mormon, why do we read through so much strategic war stuff all throughout Alma?". Later the light came on in my head. Written for our day! It may not be me personally, but SOME generation is going to go through this stuff and maybe almost EXACTLY!"
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I think there is a lot of truth in that statement. When we read the B of M, if we change the names of the people and the places, it's like reading the news of the day.

Believer

[Blip]

We have discussed various reasons that some form of martial law (including seizure of guns and ammo)-- as right after Katrina-- is likely to arise in the USA (and perhaps other countries). As Kissinger said, all it takes is a crisis, whether "real or promulgated", doesn't matter, and there arises a "great' opportunity.

So if we take as a starting point "some form of martial law (including seizure of guns and ammo)-"
Then what are our best options?

I suggest there are FOUR options with variations. If you can think of other distinct options, PLS raise them here!

1. Run -- e.g. to a place in mtns. where you have cached food and resources

2. Hide -- e.g. in a secret place you know of in your house

3. Fight -- e.g. if attacked, and you have weapons right at hand

4. Cave in -- e.g. give them your guns and ammo and "hoarded food" and go to the FEMA camp if they ask you to. (Most people took this option in New Orleans after Katrina, and suffered greatly in the Superdome and other "FEMA camps.")

WHICH IS BEST, depending on what?
Can we do some advance planning (with family etc) and preparations, such as caches?
Speaking in general terms of course -- not your family's particular plans.

I would be prepared with the possibilty of all 4. In this case you could be knocked out secured and carried to a Fema camp.

I would not tell any group or anybody where the cache was at if I planned on not sharing. Or even if I planned on sharing. The best kept secrets are the ones you never talk about. Never let your left hand know what your right hand is doing.

Not trying to be a butt here, Doc. But you ever think that you got a good chance of being on the red list?

[LukeAir2008]

[Spence]

Missouri says we are all on the "red" list... And as Chuck said, who knows how far widespread similar memo's have been circulated among law enforcement agencies, both federal and state.

[Blip]

I would rather be red then blue. Red=death, blue=slavery and then death. I am sure I am on the red list. Don't know about the memos. I think you have more to fear from UN troops and maybe military, but who knows.

[lundbaek]

This talk of caching weapons, food supplies, etc. reminds me of a scene in the movie Exodus in which a British Army unit digs up a cache of weapons that some Jews had burried. That happpened for real. When I worked in Israel years ago, I lived in the community where that occurred. Somebody squealed.

I hope people here are not underestimatng the equipment available to detect and locate weapons and other things cached in buildings, on private property, and even in the wilderness. And individuals and groups of people can be just as easily found in the mountains or wherever by determined searchers, especially when rewards are offered.

As for defying oppressors, how many are prepared to put family members at risk to assaults like those at Waco and Ruby Ridge?

Assaults such as we might anticipate could come from military or law enforcement, American of foreign, or from loosely organized but well armed rabble, American or illegal immigrants. Not necessarily a bunch of goons. Equipment used against us could be much more effective than that used in military operations thus far. We are in a era of new technology now.

[believer]

I asked my son who just retired from the Navy, and was in EOD, what the best way to hide guns was, and he said you can't really---They can be detected. But you could take them apart, and put the different pieces in with some other metal like a tool chest or something like that. Just an idea.

[BroJones]

Thanks for the comments! I read them all with interest.

Yes, Blip, quite sure I'm on some list somewhere. Probably we all are here, except Mark
(J/K)

Rob, "Those people who would round us up and place us in detention facilities only have power to gather and force, not to sustain. As has been stated, "evil has its time", and then it's over.

Yeah, it's harsh. And, no, I don't wanna. Survival tends to dictate otherwise. But this is what I was told. The PTB can terrorize, pillage, devour & destroy, but they cannot endure."

I agree, and note that that means one would not have to run or hide for too long. Shackled in a FEMA camp or worse would be hard to endure for John the Revelator's 3.5 years (for example).

[jbalm]

This talk of caching weapons, food supplies, etc. reminds me of a scene in the movie Exodus in which a British Army unit digs up a cache of weapons that some Jews had burried. That happpened for real. When I worked in Israel years ago, I lived in the community where that occurred. Somebody squealed.

I hope people here are not underestimatng the equipment available to detect and locate weapons and other things cached in buildings, on private property, and even in the wilderness. And individuals and groups of people can be just as easily found in the mountains or wherever by determined searchers, especially when rewards are offered.

As for defying oppressors, how many are prepared to put family members at risk to assaults like those at Waco and Ruby Ridge?

Assaults such as we might anticipate could come from military or law enforcement, American of foreign, or from loosely organized but well armed rabble, American or illegal immigrants. Not necessarily a bunch of goons. Equipment used against us could be much more effective than that used in military operations thus far. We are in a era of new technology now.

What do you suggest?

[jbalm]

Yes, Blip, quite sure I'm on some list somewhere. Probably we all are here, except Mark

I assumed that Mark was the one making the list.

[Mark]

I assumed that Mark was the one making the list.

This coming from the IRS stooge.

[shadow]

I assumed that Mark was the one making the list.

No, he's prepping for the BBQ. He's the camp chef.

[Mark]

No, he's prepping for the BBQ. He's the camp chef.

Darn tootin. I picked up some prickly pear cactus marinade while in Phoenix the other week and I will be using a healthy dose of it on the grillin feast. It goes great with chicken I can tell you that. Just doing some dry runs to prepare for the real thing. As they say you know your in Phoenix when you've experienced condensation on your butt cheeks from the hot water evaporating in the toilet bowl.

[ChelC]

Prickly pear marinade... dry runs... butt cheeks... How is it possible to have the dry runs?



Jbalm suggested burying guns in PVC pipe. How about sealing them in metal fence posts? That's gotta be tough to detect. Most would probably fit, though I haven't tried it.

I think fleeing is a really good option if it gets bad enough and if there is a place to flee to, and if you have the foresight to do it before you are stuck. Reading about the Warsaw ghettos is fascinating... I mean, the Jews there walled themselves in. They gave up their stuff peacefully, they got on the trains. No one imagined it would get that bad. Will we be the same way if circumstances evolve similarly?

[Blip]

If it is all true:

I know army tech.........Pray is all I can say. It may take them a while to mobilize forces. I say the rocky mountains are the best place. They will be busy elsewhere. They know this though and will try to strike fast before any organization can be made. They are already moving pieces. There are canadians from the north that could be used and they are used to the territory? Latin gangs from the south will come together fast out of national pride.

I said that minneapolis would be where I put an army group from the east and searched for some clues and only found this last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tPBf5apgP0

Don't know if I trust this, but it makes a lot of sense.

I would expect something coming from the west of the rockies also. plenty of places for that.

And that is only if they are serious about taking the rockies.

The thing you have to ask yourself when taking territory is "cost vs vicoty". What are the rockies worth? What are the people worth that will be drawn into them. Rebels are mostly useless to your agenda, but need to be killed. I think they will have bigger fish to fry and will deal the mountain rebels later. They will surround the territory and put that huge area under siege at choke points. After a while people will become hungry and tired. Just send some cheap bombs over every now and again to keep them terrorized. Blow up any important structure put up. Keep moving forces slowly in. That is more likely what I think will happen. Just like a snake constricting. That is if they don't decide to take it before it can become organized. The rockies just are not worth it to them in my opinion.

[mirkwood]

I'm not on the list...I made it. Elder Eyring also said how many times I can hit you without losing my reccomend. 8)

[lundbaek]

The Sound of Music von Trapp family at least had a safe refuge to head for.

Jbalm asked what do I suggest. I suggest Plans A,B,C,D & E, which in our case change quite often and are confidential.

[bobhenstra]

C'mon, if we haven't already, we retreat to our Zerahemla and let the bad guys camp round about. There's a really big important reason why we have Captain Moroni's story!

Nobody's putting me in a fema camp, I have a copy of the "Title of Liberty!" I subscribe to it. I have my weapons and the ability to use them, not hide them. I'll be more then happy to let the bad guy come to me and send him on to spirit prison.

Even Captain Moroni had to rid his people of the king men amongst the people of Zerahemla, he showed them no mercy! There are those who are beyond redemption in the flesh, best they spend some time in spirit prison.

Bob

[BroJones]

Good comments...
Having a variety of plans and places of refuge is wise, lundbaek..

Blip:

I know army tech.........Pray is all I can say. It may take them a while to mobilize forces. I say the rocky mountains are the best place. They will be busy elsewhere. They know this though and will try to strike fast before any organization can be made. They are already moving pieces.

Can you tell us a little more, blip? "they are already moving pieces" -- eyebrows raised...

Let me add a moral dilemma -- let's say you care about your neighbors (I hope you do!). If you leave them, run to safety, what happens to them?

(I admit I'm thinking of Lehi here... and Noah... they were commanded to leave with their families, not with a "big church group" one might add.)