Nelson on Gun Laws

[p8riot]

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I believed him to be the Prophet of the Lord right up until the now infamous photo op in the Spring of 2021.
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Which infamous photo op? The jab?

[KosherDad]

and we'll watch for the keywords used by the First Presidency to sell their pitch. "Christ" and "Love". Many predicted that those would be the words used in promoting the vax and they were right.
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More to the point: They will continue to use the 2nd Great Commandment and claim that if you don’t do it you do not love your neighbor. Or, as they did with the masks, they will claim that if you don’t you are intentionally harming your neighbor.

Love is an action, not a feeling. That action is to keep the commandments of God.

Christ is quoting Leviticus 19. Most of the chapter is commandments that take care of your neighbor. Most notably considering this is the church of nice is the verse right in front of “love your neighbor” which states: “You shall surely rebuke your neighbor”

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Lol. What did you expect?

“In the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida, LDS Church President Russell M. Nelson criticized U.S. laws ‘that allow guns to go to people who shouldn’t have them.’”

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2018/02 ... have-them/

Nelson should just shut the hell up. He's to the Church what Joe Biden is to the United States. A geriatric old fool that doesn't actually control much of anything but he serves as a figure head for other, more powerful interests.

Worst president (on both accounts) ever.

[Niemand]

Again, can we take firearms away from all of the “transgender” folks? Maybe the furries as well? Because they are mentally I’ll to various degrees.

Especially if they identify as animals without opposable thumbs.

[Niemand]

Lol. What did you expect?

“In the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida, LDS Church President Russell M. Nelson criticized U.S. laws ‘that allow guns to go to people who shouldn’t have them.’”

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2018/02 ... have-them/

Nelson should just shut the hell up. He's to the Church what Joe Biden is to the United States. A geriatric old fool that doesn't actually control much of anything but he serves as a figure head for other, more powerful interests.

Worst president (on both accounts) ever.

The sad thing is that RMN does seem to have all his marbles.

[buffalo_girl]

Although this lecture has little to do with President Nelson on Gun Laws - it does have everything to do with events leading up to the return of The Messiah; ie, manifestations of the anti-Christ, schisms in Islam & Christianity, genocide, Wars of Gog & Magog, nuclear exchanges, & preparation for survival, and individual accountability before Final Judgement.

Events covered by this 80-year old Sheikh Imran Hosein, might actually cause one to suspect him to be a Prophet.

My first lecture in Armenia on the topic: Introducing Islamic Eschatology (Eschatology concerns expectations of the end of the present age, human history, or of the world itself.)

Sheiikh Imran Hosein is addressing a group of Armenians who are remembering the genocide of the Christian Armenian People by the Turkish during the First World War in order to seize their land.

We could pray that our own Prophets might be so forthright and fearless in the face of Anti-Christ!

quote: "It's called, the 'Politics of expediency rather than morality'", according to him.

Hope some of you will glean new insight into near events unfolding around the Black Sea region from this scriptural point-of-view.

[Fred]

Lol. What did you expect?

“In the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida, LDS Church President Russell M. Nelson criticized U.S. laws ‘that allow guns to go to people who shouldn’t have them.’”

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2018/02 ... have-them/

It simply means that he hates the United States Constitution and the God that inspired it. It also means that he hates freedom and feels that a person should not be able to protect themselves.

It shows that he is a leftist, a dedicated disciple of satan, and believes that Lucifer had the best plan. It means that he also believes in the democrat platform abortion.

Such a person could be described as a waste of human flesh. Following satan so avidly after having been exposed to the message of Christ proves that he is one of the third part that believed it was better to follow Lucifer with a body. He has been groomed his entire life to pretend to follow Christ while actually leading people to hell.

[SempiternalHarbinger]

I am not surprised Nelson is anti 2nd amendment. Remember, this is a man who believes his life and those of the brethren are worth more than our children's lives. They just spent millions of $ for their new "Church Security Department Training Center", while outright banning our God-given rights to carry on church property. They can have their guns for protection while we the people are simply too incompetent to carry a weapon on church property. Church policy (holy handbook) says having a weapon on church grounds is "inappropriate" for us small folks while it is completely appropriate for their bodyguards to have theirs. Clearly, Nelson doesn't practice what he preaches. Appropriate for us but not for you. Smooth-faced hypocrites.

It's no different than these politicians and celebrities who are calling for all these new gun laws and defunding the police while they have their personal security loaded with guns. What you won't hear Nelson or the church talk about is Greenwood Park Mall shooting. Any wonder why? And if there is a shooter that appears in a chapel near you, hide... pray... try and go unnoticed... run if possible... pray someone ignored church policy and is exercising their God-given rights. LOL Our leaders are truly oblivious to reality. They live in a different world than the rest of us.

[Fred]

I am not surprised Nelson is anti 2nd amendment. Remember, this is a man who believes his life and those of the brethren are worth more than our children's lives. They just spent millions of $ for their new "Church Security Department Training Center", while outright banning our God-given rights to carry on church property. They can have their guns for protection while we the people are simply too incompetent to carry a weapon on church property. Church policy (holy handbook) says having a weapon on church grounds is "inappropriate" for us small folks while it is completely appropriate for their bodyguards to have theirs. Clearly, Nelson doesn't practice what he preaches. Appropriate for us but not for you. Smooth-faced hypocrites.

It's no different than these politicians and celebrities who are calling for all these new gun laws and defunding the police while they have their personal security loaded with guns. What you won't hear Nelson or the church talk about is Greenwood Park Mall shooting. Any wonder why? And if there is a shooter that appears in a chapel near you, hide... pray... try and go unnoticed... run if possible... pray someone ignored church policy and is exercising their God-given rights. LOL Our leaders are truly oblivious to reality. They live in a different world than the rest of us.

This is obvious and true.

[Subcomandante]

Lol. What did you expect?

“In the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida, LDS Church President Russell M. Nelson criticized U.S. laws ‘that allow guns to go to people who shouldn’t have them.’”

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2018/02 ... have-them/

It simply means that he hates the United States Constitution and the God that inspired it. It also means that he hates freedom and feels that a person should not be able to protect themselves.

It shows that he is a leftist, a dedicated disciple of satan, and believes that Lucifer had the best plan. It means that he also believes in the democrat platform abortion.

Such a person could be described as a waste of human flesh. Following satan so avidly after having been exposed to the message of Christ proves that he is one of the third part that believed it was better to follow Lucifer with a body. He has been groomed his entire life to pretend to follow Christ while actually leading people to hell.

He doesn't hate the Consitution or God. He hates the extreme right's interpretation of the Constitution and of God.

He believes, as do most people not of the American extreme right, that you shouldn't have, in a building dedicated to the Prince of Peace, weapons of any type. He also believes, unlike many people of the American extreme right, that the mere act of having a pulse does not entitle you to possess a firearm.

[nightlight]

Lol. What did you expect?

“In the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida, LDS Church President Russell M. Nelson criticized U.S. laws ‘that allow guns to go to people who shouldn’t have them.’”

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2018/02 ... have-them/

It simply means that he hates the United States Constitution and the God that inspired it. It also means that he hates freedom and feels that a person should not be able to protect themselves.

It shows that he is a leftist, a dedicated disciple of satan, and believes that Lucifer had the best plan. It means that he also believes in the democrat platform abortion.

Such a person could be described as a waste of human flesh. Following satan so avidly after having been exposed to the message of Christ proves that he is one of the third part that believed it was better to follow Lucifer with a body. He has been groomed his entire life to pretend to follow Christ while actually leading people to hell.

He doesn't hate the Consitution or God. He hates the extreme right's interpretation of the Constitution and of God.

He believes, as do most people not of the American extreme right, that you shouldn't have, in a building dedicated to the Prince of Peace, weapons of any type. He also believes, unlike many people of the American extreme right, that the mere act of having a pulse does not entitle you to possess a firearm.

Do you realize that when Nelson goes into a church...he has bodyguards who have guns?

[Subcomandante]

Lol. What did you expect?

“In the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida, LDS Church President Russell M. Nelson criticized U.S. laws ‘that allow guns to go to people who shouldn’t have them.’”

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2018/02 ... have-them/

It simply means that he hates the United States Constitution and the God that inspired it. It also means that he hates freedom and feels that a person should not be able to protect themselves.

It shows that he is a leftist, a dedicated disciple of satan, and believes that Lucifer had the best plan. It means that he also believes in the democrat platform abortion.

Such a person could be described as a waste of human flesh. Following satan so avidly after having been exposed to the message of Christ proves that he is one of the third part that believed it was better to follow Lucifer with a body. He has been groomed his entire life to pretend to follow Christ while actually leading people to hell.

He doesn't hate the Consitution or God. He hates the extreme right's interpretation of the Constitution and of God.

He believes, as do most people not of the American extreme right, that you shouldn't have, in a building dedicated to the Prince of Peace, weapons of any type. He also believes, unlike many people of the American extreme right, that the mere act of having a pulse does not entitle you to possess a firearm.

You realize it when Nelson goes into a church...he has bodyguards who have guns?

Because there are crazies out there that would love to whack him. Or at least, to borrow some parlance from people on this board, for him "to shut the hell up." Since he won't shut up, the next course of action would be either to kill him or ask God in prayer to kill him.

This is not unique to President Nelson. This has been going on since at least Hunter's time if not earlier.

The handbook does not say "no one carry guns unless you are a bodyguard of the prophet." It's more like "no one carry guns unless you are a soldier or LEO in the line of duty."

This used to be pretty common-sense back in the day. The inclusion of this into the handbook indicates not that the Church is a flaming liberal institution, but that the reactionaries have lost common sense. Outside the United States the inclusion of this into the handbook was met with a reaction of "well, duh!" followed by "stupid gringos can't follow common sense" when these protests became more vocal.

[Fred]

Lol. What did you expect?

“In the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida, LDS Church President Russell M. Nelson criticized U.S. laws ‘that allow guns to go to people who shouldn’t have them.’”

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2018/02 ... have-them/

It simply means that he hates the United States Constitution and the God that inspired it. It also means that he hates freedom and feels that a person should not be able to protect themselves.

It shows that he is a leftist, a dedicated disciple of satan, and believes that Lucifer had the best plan. It means that he also believes in the democrat platform abortion.

Such a person could be described as a waste of human flesh. Following satan so avidly after having been exposed to the message of Christ proves that he is one of the third part that believed it was better to follow Lucifer with a body. He has been groomed his entire life to pretend to follow Christ while actually leading people to hell.

He doesn't hate the Consitution or God. He hates the extreme right's interpretation of the Constitution and of God.

He believes, as do most people not of the American extreme right, that you shouldn't have, in a building dedicated to the Prince of Peace, weapons of any type. He also believes, unlike many people of the American extreme right, that the mere act of having a pulse does not entitle you to possess a firearm.

If he doesn't hate God, why does he call satan's largest attack on mankind, a godsend?

If he doesn't hate God, why does he repeatedly tell lies that are provably false?

If he doesn't hate God, why did he close temples when there was no government mandate to do so?

If he doesn't hate God, why did he order all Stake Presidents and Bishops to lie about masks and to demand that people wear a tribute to satan in order to attend services?

If he doesn't hate God, why doesn't he come clean about the lies he told and ordered to be told about the clot shot?

[Mamabear]

Lol. What did you expect?

“In the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida, LDS Church President Russell M. Nelson criticized U.S. laws ‘that allow guns to go to people who shouldn’t have them.’”

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2018/02 ... have-them/

It simply means that he hates the United States Constitution and the God that inspired it. It also means that he hates freedom and feels that a person should not be able to protect themselves.

It shows that he is a leftist, a dedicated disciple of satan, and believes that Lucifer had the best plan. It means that he also believes in the democrat platform abortion.

Such a person could be described as a waste of human flesh. Following satan so avidly after having been exposed to the message of Christ proves that he is one of the third part that believed it was better to follow Lucifer with a body. He has been groomed his entire life to pretend to follow Christ while actually leading people to hell.

He doesn't hate the Consitution or God. He hates the extreme right's interpretation of the Constitution and of God.

He believes, as do most people not of the American extreme right, that you shouldn't have, in a building dedicated to the Prince of Peace, weapons of any type. He also believes, unlike many people of the American extreme right, that the mere act of having a pulse does not entitle you to possess a firearm.

Do you realize that when Nelson goes into a church...he has bodyguards who have guns?

Rules for thee not for me. Elitist and democrat mindset.

[Subcomandante]

If he doesn't hate God, why does he call satan's largest attack on mankind, a godsend?

If he doesn't hate God, why does he repeatedly tell lies that are provably false?

If he doesn't hate God, why did he close temples when there was no government mandate to do so?

If he doesn't hate God, why did he order all Stake Presidents and Bishops to lie about masks and to demand that people wear a tribute to satan in order to attend services?

If he doesn't hate God, why doesn't he come clean about the lies he told and ordered to be told about the clot shot?

First question: Satan's largest attack on mankind was not a vaccine, nor a mask mandate, nor a virus. Satan's biggest attacks were levied against the Master Himself on and off for about 33 years of his lifetime. If Jesus fell EVEN ONCE, then all of mankind would have been doomed.

But if you don't want to include that, include pretty much every attack that Satan has employed against the Church from the time of its founding with Joseph Smith all the way down to today. The attack becomes increasingly bifurcated as before, most of the attacks would come from the left (and to a big degree they still do). But we now see attacks from the political right too.

Second question: Please tell us the nature of some of those lies. Then we'll deconstruct them.

Third question: He foresaw what was going on and what was going to happen. Out of respect and out of an abundance of caution, all the temples worldwide were closed. A short time later, pretty much every government around the world was restricting the use of buildings for large gatherings.

Keep in mind, too, that there had been a temple patron in Bountiful, Utah, that died of the virus as he was diagnosed with it shortly after attending it.

Fourth Question: They weren't lies, they were truthful. The lies are that masks do not work*. *Of course, we have to be specific about the type of mask involved. A one-ply mask won't do much, but a five-ply N-95 did and does a lot.* Around me, the unmasked who caught the virus had more severe symptoms and many died. Others that did catch the virus even though they were masked had lighter symptoms and a few were asymptomatic.

Fifth Question: Where's the evidence that President Nelson was ordered to tell everyone to take the vaccine? There are differences between different types of vaccines.

[Gadianton Slayer]

Where's the evidence that President Nelson was ordered to tell everyone to take the vaccine?

He wasn't ordered. This was of his own free will.

[Fred]

If he doesn't hate God, why does he call satan's largest attack on mankind, a godsend?

If he doesn't hate God, why does he repeatedly tell lies that are provably false?

If he doesn't hate God, why did he close temples when there was no government mandate to do so?

If he doesn't hate God, why did he order all Stake Presidents and Bishops to lie about masks and to demand that people wear a tribute to satan in order to attend services?

If he doesn't hate God, why doesn't he come clean about the lies he told and ordered to be told about the clot shot?

First question: Satan's largest attack on mankind was not a vaccine, nor a mask mandate, nor a virus. Satan's biggest attacks were levied against the Master Himself on and off for about 33 years of his lifetime. If Jesus fell EVEN ONCE, then all of mankind would have been doomed.

But if you don't want to include that, include pretty much every attack that Satan has employed against the Church from the time of its founding with Joseph Smith all the way down to today. The attack becomes increasingly bifurcated as before, most of the attacks would come from the left (and to a big degree they still do). But we now see attacks from the political right too.

Second question: Please tell us the nature of some of those lies. Then we'll deconstruct them.

Third question: He foresaw what was going on and what was going to happen. Out of respect and out of an abundance of caution, all the temples worldwide were closed. A short time later, pretty much every government around the world was restricting the use of buildings for large gatherings.

Keep in mind, too, that there had been a temple patron in Bountiful, Utah, that died of the virus as he was diagnosed with it shortly after attending it.

Fourth Question: They weren't lies, they were truthful. The lies are that masks do not work*. *Of course, we have to be specific about the type of mask involved. A one-ply mask won't do much, but a five-ply N-95 did and does a lot.* Around me, the unmasked who caught the virus had more severe symptoms and many died. Others that did catch the virus even though they were masked had lighter symptoms and a few were asymptomatic.

Fifth Question: Where's the evidence that President Nelson was ordered to tell everyone to take the vaccine? There are differences between different types of vaccines.

The patron in Bountiful did not die of the virus. It was first degree murder via ventilator in a hospital.

Temples are a private club. They are not regulated like public businesses. Just like the Alta Club which was open the entire time.

No cloth mask works, nor can it. To say otherwise is to admit a loving relationship with satan.

[nightlight]

It simply means that he hates the United States Constitution and the God that inspired it. It also means that he hates freedom and feels that a person should not be able to protect themselves.

It shows that he is a leftist, a dedicated disciple of satan, and believes that Lucifer had the best plan. It means that he also believes in the democrat platform abortion.

Such a person could be described as a waste of human flesh. Following satan so avidly after having been exposed to the message of Christ proves that he is one of the third part that believed it was better to follow Lucifer with a body. He has been groomed his entire life to pretend to follow Christ while actually leading people to hell.

He doesn't hate the Consitution or God. He hates the extreme right's interpretation of the Constitution and of God.

He believes, as do most people not of the American extreme right, that you shouldn't have, in a building dedicated to the Prince of Peace, weapons of any type. He also believes, unlike many people of the American extreme right, that the mere act of having a pulse does not entitle you to possess a firearm.

You realize it when Nelson goes into a church...he has bodyguards who have guns?

Because there are crazies out there that would love to whack him. Or at least, to borrow some parlance from people on this board, for him "to shut the hell up." Since he won't shut up, the next course of action would be either to kill him or ask God in prayer to kill him.

This is not unique to President Nelson. This has been going on since at least Hunter's time if not earlier.

The handbook does not say "no one carry guns unless you are a bodyguard of the prophet." It's more like "no one carry guns unless you are a soldier or LEO in the line of duty."

This used to be pretty common-sense back in the day. The inclusion of this into the handbook indicates not that the Church is a flaming liberal institution, but that the reactionaries have lost common sense. Outside the United States the inclusion of this into the handbook was met with a reaction of "well, duh!" followed by "stupid gringos can't follow common sense" when these protests became more vocal.

Were you aware that Nelson&Co bring guns to church when you wrote,
"He believes, as do most people not of the American extreme right, that you shouldn't have, in a building dedicated to the Prince of Peace, weapons of any type. "

?

[InfoWarrior82]

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[Lineman1012]

Lol. What did you expect?

“In the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida, LDS Church President Russell M. Nelson criticized U.S. laws ‘that allow guns to go to people who shouldn’t have them.’”

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2018/02 ... have-them/

Nelson should just shut the hell up. He's to the Church what Joe Biden is to the United States. A geriatric old fool that doesn't actually control much of anything but he serves as a figure head for other, more powerful interests.

Worst president (on both accounts) ever.

As goes the church so goes the nation.

[bbrown]

The idea of armed citizens was the norm in the United States not many years ago. There was nothing “extreme” about it. When I was in high school (mid 90’s) people had guns in the gun racks of their trucks. Teachers and students alike no one thought anything of it. There were no mass shootings or anything. Where I live now 2/3 of the cars I get in(I’m an auto mechanic) have at least 1 visible gun. There are more not visible guns in most cases. It is completely normal. No one worries about it. Uvalde wouldn’t happen here. Even if an active shooter situation happened someone would put the dude down in minutes. They would not wait for cops. And people would go through the cops if they tried to stop them. This is not extremism. This is being a man. A real man doesn’t cower and wait for someone else if he is in any position to protect his own.

[Subcomandante]

Lol. What did you expect?

“In the wake of a deadly school shooting in Florida, LDS Church President Russell M. Nelson criticized U.S. laws ‘that allow guns to go to people who shouldn’t have them.’”

https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2018/02 ... have-them/

Nelson should just shut the hell up. He's to the Church what Joe Biden is to the United States. A geriatric old fool that doesn't actually control much of anything but he serves as a figure head for other, more powerful interests.

Worst president (on both accounts) ever.

As goes the church so goes the nation.

Spoken like a true inhabitant of the bubble, as if the Church didn't exist outside of America.

[Subcomandante]

The idea of armed citizens was the norm in the United States not many years ago. There was nothing “extreme” about it. When I was in high school (mid 90’s) people had guns in the gun racks of their trucks. Teachers and students alike no one thought anything of it. There were no mass shootings or anything. Where I live now 2/3 of the cars I get in(I’m an auto mechanic) have at least 1 visible gun. There are more not visible guns in most cases. It is completely normal. No one worries about it. Uvalde wouldn’t happen here. Even if an active shooter situation happened someone would put the dude down in minutes. They would not wait for cops. And people would go through the cops if they tried to stop them. This is not extremism. This is being a man. A real man doesn’t cower and wait for someone else if he is in any position to protect his own.

Why do you think there are more mass shootings now in the 2020s than the 1990s or before?

I chalk it up more to the idea that families are more stressed out; that it is virtually impossible in many cases in the US for the father of the household to work by himself and the mother stay at home to take care of the kids. Absent mother disorder, I call it. As well as absent daddy disorder (ADD).

[Fred]

The idea of armed citizens was the norm in the United States not many years ago. There was nothing “extreme” about it. When I was in high school (mid 90’s) people had guns in the gun racks of their trucks. Teachers and students alike no one thought anything of it. There were no mass shootings or anything. Where I live now 2/3 of the cars I get in(I’m an auto mechanic) have at least 1 visible gun. There are more not visible guns in most cases. It is completely normal. No one worries about it. Uvalde wouldn’t happen here. Even if an active shooter situation happened someone would put the dude down in minutes. They would not wait for cops. And people would go through the cops if they tried to stop them. This is not extremism. This is being a man. A real man doesn’t cower and wait for someone else if he is in any position to protect his own.

Why do you think there are more mass shootings now in the 2020s than the 1990s or before?

I chalk it up more to the idea that families are more stressed out; that it is virtually impossible in many cases in the US for the father of the household to work by himself and the mother stay at home to take care of the kids. Absent mother disorder, I call it. As well as absent daddy disorder (ADD).

It is no mere accident. Great care is taken to find the subjects that fit the profile of a mind controllable, dissatisfied enough to get their 5 minutes of fame. Mental institutions report possible workers. The FBI will even buy the guns and bullets. Don't you ever wonder where these nutcases round up a couple grand all at once the day before shooting?

[bbrown]

Broken homes are the root cause. And generational broken homes is now taking its toll. It is very possible to live comfortably on one median income in the United States it is a lie that it isn’t. I have lived in some of the most expensive places in the United States with a wife and 6 children on one right about center income. I now live in one of the least expensive places and it is much easier. The working parents is the root cause far more mothers were home 20-30 years ago. But in the absence of fathers (separated from their families by divorce) they have taught the children that any form of masculinity is “toxic” and bad men are evil oppressors etc. the schools are cesspools full of this ideology. It also why the lgbt… is so easy to indoctrinate, there are few good normal relationships. Normal bullying that was in the past stoped by a simple and relatively minor confrontation are now left to fester. Any suggestion of self defense against an agressor is harshly punished while the bully is lauded and let off the hook. Bully’s are cowards and not standing up to them is cowardice too. Cowardice is enforced strictly in schools Add to that broken homes and you get very broken people. Then some of the extreme cases are carefully groomed and financed and you get this great evil that is upon us.