These are some comments (below) that I've gathered over the years about the LDS being Gentiles
"If the LDS are not Gentiles, can you please tell me who the Gentiles are?
I would like know because they are the subject of many prophecies in the BOM
Including this one in the title page:
"Written and sealed up, and hid up unto the Lord, that they might not be destroyed—To come forth by the gift and power of God unto the interpretation thereof—Sealed by the hand of Moroni, and hid up unto the Lord,
to come forth in due time by way of the Gentile—The interpretation thereof by the gift of God."
"Are there some nonmember, non believing people who have not been baptized that bring forth the BOM?
Please identify who they are. If you can do this you may be able to convince me you are right."
Whoever these Gentiles are they also spread the true gospel to the seed of Lehi:
Mormon 5: 15 And also that the seed of this people may more fully believe his gospel,
which shall go forth unto them from the Gentiles; for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us, yea, even that which hath been among the Lamanites, and this because of their unbelief and idolatry.
It also seems these wonderful Gentiles have care ( stewardship) for the House of Israel:
Mormon 5: 10 And now behold, this I speak unto their seed, and also to the Gentiles who have care for the house of Israel, that realize and know from whence their blessings come.
"I do think that is true that a repentant Gentile can be adopted in and receive the same covenant blessings but they still can be identified as Gentiles, just as one can immigrate from Mexico, be adopted as American and receive all the benefits of American citizenship and be an American citizen but still be identified as Mexican.
I think the allegory in Jacob 5 describes the Gentiles as the wild branch vs the natural branch.
But as I said if you can identify who they are...
So see if you can tell me who they are and why it is not the LDS that bring forth the BOM,
spread the gospel of Christ or have care for the House of Israel."
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3 Nephi 23:4
4 "Therefore give heed to my words; write the things which I have told you;
and according to the time and the will of the Father
they shall go forth unto the Gentiles."
(The Book of Mormon)
Christ also used the name “Gentile” to identify those through whom the gospel would go to the Lamanites.
(3 Nephi 21:2–4)
If Church members from Gentile nations will bear in mind that the term “Gentile” when used in the Book of Mormon includes them, the prophecies therein will have much greater meaning and be more disturbing.
3 Nephi 21:
5 Therefore, when these works and the works which shall be wrought among you hereafter
shall come forth from the Gentiles, unto your seed which shall dwindle in unbelief because of iniquity;
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For thus it behooveth the Father that it should come forth from the Gentiles, that he may show forth his power unto the Gentiles, for this cause that the Gentiles, if they will not harden their hearts, that they may repent and come unto me and be baptized in my name and know of the true points of my doctrine, that they may be numbered among my people, O house of Israel;
22 But if they will repent and hearken unto my words, and harden not their hearts,
I will establish my church among them, (our church today) and they shall come in unto the covenant and be numbered among this the remnant of Jacob, unto whom I have given this land for their inheritance;
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Who are the Gentiles spoken of in the Book of Mormon?
The Book of Mormon (BOM) was written for the benefit of all of those living in the latter-days of the worlds existence prior to the Second Coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The BOM Prophets, much like the Prophets of the Old and New Testaments saw our day in vision. What they saw pertained primarily to “This Land”, meaning the land upon which the events of the BOM took place (The American Continent) but the implications of what was prophesied to take place pertains to everyone world wide. Those Prophets saw “this land”, peopled by an indigenous race of people differentiated by their skin color from the predominately white settlers who would come to this land and subjugate this indigenous people.
They refer to these indigenous people as Lamanites.
The BOM Prophets refer to the “white settlers” as Gentiles and they also prophesied to a separate group of people, the Jews.
The LDS people have a tendency, when reading the BOM, to look at those things spoken of regarding the “Gentiles” in two ways.
One is that all of those things that are of a flattering nature are attributable to the LDS people and that those things which are of a negative nature and perceived as a call to repentance are meant for those other people who are the evil “Gentiles”, whoever they are.
The BOM was written to three groups: Lamanites – a remnant of the house of Israel, Jews, and Gentiles.
By a simple process of elimination, we can see that the LDS church falls largely into the category of the Gentiles.
In fact, as it states on the title page, the Book of Mormon was ‘to come forth… by way of the Gentile, in spite of the fact that we are also of Ephraim.
From the Book of Mormon Title page: “Wherefore, it is an abridgment of the record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites—Written to the Lamanites, who are a remnant of the house of Israel; and also to Jew and Gentile…Sealed by the hand of Moroni, and hid up unto the Lord, to come forth in due time by way of the Gentile— “
BOM Prophets provide further clarification…1Nephi 15:13 And now, the thing which our father meaneth concerning the grafting in of the natural branches
through the fulness of the Gentiles, is, that in the latter days, … then shall the fulness of the gospel of the Messiah come unto the Gentiles, and from the Gentiles unto the remnant of our seed—
3 Nephi 16: 6-7 And blessed are the Gentiles, because of their belief in me, in and of the Holy Ghost, which witnesses unto them of me and of the Father. Behold, because of their belief in me, saith the Father, and because of the unbelief of you, O house of Israel,
in the latter day shall the truth come unto the Gentiles, that the fulness of these things shall be made known unto them.
Additionally, the Doctrine and Covenants confirms that the church is identified with the Gentiles…D&C 109:60
Now these words, O Lord, we have spoken before thee, concerning the revelations and commandments which thou hast given unto us, who are identified with the Gentiles.
A Latter-day LDS Leader has stated
“We are those Gentiles of whom Nephi speaks.
We have received in this age of restoration the fulness of the everlasting gospel. It is now beginning to go from us to the Lamanites and to the Jews. But the great day of the Lamanites and the great day of the Jews both lie ahead…” (McConkie, Millennial Messiah, p 238)
If we are to accept the blessings pronounced to the “Gentiles” in the Book of Mormon, should we not seriously consider the warnings to the “Gentiles” that are pronounced throughout the Book of Mormon?
The following is Jesus Christ speaking to the Latter-day Gentiles…
3 Nephi 16:10
And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you:
At that day
WHEN the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.
Notice that the Lord says not IF but WHEN the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel.
Additionally, He says that He will bring the fullness of His gospel from among them.
3 Nephi 21
11 Therefore it shall come to pass that whosoever will not believe in my words, who am Jesus Christ, which the Father shall cause him to bring forth unto the Gentiles, and shall give unto him power that he shall bring them forth unto the Gentiles, (it shall be done even as Moses said) they shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant.
Our only hope is to be numbered with The House of Israel - the Lord's covenant people.
and THAT will ONLY come after we perform our saving mission toward them.
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" The Lord has ordained no salvation or plan of salvation outside of the covenant with His people Israel"
and as I've said before -
"The repentant Gentiles are numbered with The House of Israel ONLY after they
perform their saving mission toward them.
The claim that Latter-Day Saints are of the House of Israel, descending through the mingled lineage of Ephraim, though true, is thus provisional.
Whether Latter-Day Saints are of the House of Israel ultimately depends on whether they fulfill their prophetic mission"
Avraham Gileadi
"As we learn how the scriptures define Gentiles, we also understand what they teach about the role of Latter-day Saints.
The popular notion of Gentiles as non-Mormons appears inadequate when we come to realize the message of The Book of Mormon."
"So long as we think of ourselves as the "good guys" in whatever scriptural scenario we are studying, for example, we will learn very little from the scriptures.
We will not be able to apply their historical lessons to ourselves.
Most important, we will end up with only a hypothetical role or mission to fulfill, one lacking a correct idea of self-identity and purpose.
The scriptures speak of The House of Israel as well as the Gentiles in terms of both good and evil. At the root of the question of identities, therefore, is not who is good and who is bad, but rather what mission God asks us to fulfill."
(please read this)
Avraham Gileadi
"Serving as Kings and Queens of the Gentiles"
http://www.josephandjudah.com/2016/05/s ... tiles.html
this is just a small part taken from his talk.
"There comes a time in life when you have to take stock and ask yourself whether you are, in fact, doing what you came to do in this world. We read scriptures that speak of heroes and heroines who valiantly served God and accomplished miracles that saved much of humanity. Maybe they didn't do so at first, but when they awoke to a sense of who they were, they set about serving God to their utmost without the need to look back. We too seldom come to an awakening of who we are all at once because we often don't see ourselves as anyone special, and because heaven withholds its gifts from us until we finally conform our lives to God's will. But because we have implanted in us his divine gene, we are no less capable of being recreated into something like a god-magnificent and powerful-able to transform the world as did those illustrious forebears.
Thus it is with the end-time kings and queens of the Gentiles whom Isaiah predicts are to restore the house of Israel:
"I will lift up my hand to the Gentiles, raise my ensign to the peoples, and they will bring your sons in their bosoms and carry your daughters on their shoulders. Kings will be your foster fathers and queens your nursing mothers" (Isaiah 49:22-23). It is as if this passage from Isaiah acts as a lifeline that Book of Mormon prophets hold on to, knowing that God made provision from the beginning for those end-time Gentile kings and queens to save their descendants from their lost and fallen and scattered state.
For that reason, Book of Mormon prophets refer back to this passage again and again, as if to inspire those same kings and queens of the Gentiles who read the Book of Mormon to wake up and perform their saving role to the house of Israel. That role, however, has little to do with non-Israelites but everything to do with Israel's birthright tribe of Ephraim whose ancestors assimilated into the Gentiles and became "identified with the Gentiles" (Doctrine & Covenants 109:60).
* (list of things Gentile members have done, and continue to do )
"Let us additionally assume that we aren't among those same Gentiles "in Zion" (2 Nephi 28:21, 24, 32)
who "are led, that in many instances they do err because they are taught by the precepts of men" (2 Nephi 28:14)
-those who don't search the scriptures and repent of their error (cf. Jacob 7:23; Alma 14:1; 17:2 33:2; 3 Nephi 10:14)
but who are "at ease in Zion" and assume "all is well" (2 Nephi 28:24-25).
That we aren't among those who "hearken unto the precepts of men," who disallow "the power of God" in their lives and void "the gift of the Holy Ghost" (2 Nephi 28:26)-those who say, "We have received, and we need no more" (2 Nephi 28:27, 29),
*** who get "angry" when confronted with "the truth of God" found in the scriptures
when it conflicts with their "precepts of men" (2 Nephi 28:28, 31).
That we aren't among those who end up denying the Lord God when his "arm"-his servant in the Book of Isaiah-"is lengthened out all the day long" (2 Nephi 28:32)."
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