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minuet1 wrote:I can't believe that someone hasn't talked about Glenn Beck's program last night, unveiling a new website - the912project.com
His special program he had on last night was great, and I feel through the website we have a way to connect with others that feel like we do. any freedom loving American should at least check out the website. I realize there are many on this forum who aren't the biggest Glenn Beck fans, but I usually am. He gets a little crazy and dramatic and that's when I turn the radio off, but my hat goes off to him for giving us some ways to come together as neighborhoods and communities and hopefully make a positive difference.

LukeAir2008 wrote:Im still undecided about Glenn Beck. A year ago he was saying that Ron Paul was crazy and that anyone that questioned the official 9/11 story should be imprisoned/executed. Now he's talking about the central banks creating the financial chaos and FEMA camps?

Why the sudden change?

Why is FOX news allowing him to say these things?

Is this part of an elaborate plan to prove that we're so far down the line they can tell us the truth about whats going on and it won't make one iota of difference. It also makes shows like Alex Jones, Alan Watt etc. irrelevant if we're getting the same stuff (maybe watered down slightly) on Glenn Beck.

Nothing is put out on FOX which isn't approved by the Elite who own the company.

I want to like him but there's something about him that I don't trust.

minuet1 wrote:I can't believe that someone hasn't talked about Glenn Beck's program last night, unveiling a new website - the912project.com
His special program he had on last night was great, and I feel through the website we have a way to connect with others that feel like we do. any freedom loving American should at least check out the website. I realize there are many on this forum who aren't the biggest Glenn Beck fans, but I usually am. He gets a little crazy and dramatic and that's when I turn the radio off, but my hat goes off to him for giving us some ways to come together as neighborhoods and communities and hopefully make a positive difference.

I wanted to but.....I feared the persecution!

minuet1 wrote:

I wanted to but.....I feared the persecution!

Well, a lot of the talk on this forum is about not fearing the opposition from the world. I'm not the least bit concerned about the opposition I face on this forum from being a HUGE Glenn Beck fan. Is he perfect? Heck no. I often change the channel when he gets into his dramatic, crazy moods. I can't stand that. However, I feel a lot of people are individually out there not really knowing what to do, but wanting to do something. The fact that Glenn has given Americans, who are almost entirely not LDS a means of communicating and uniting with others to actually do something worthwhile is hugely commendable in my book.

5tev3 wrote:

LukeAir2008 wrote:Im still undecided about Glenn Beck. A year ago he was saying that Ron Paul was crazy and that anyone that questioned the official 9/11 story should be imprisoned/executed. Now he's talking about the central banks creating the financial chaos and FEMA camps?
I thought we wanted people to wake up -especially people with a public podium and the power to reach millions.

Why the sudden change?
What's sudden? I taught investigators on my mission who were baptized in two weeks. You think a year is sudden?
Why is FOX news allowing him to say these things?
Because Fox is appealing to the people out of power - Sean Hannity's self-described "conservative underground." Being disenfranchised and unempowered politically gives Republicans and Libertarians (FNC's largest audience segment) the freedom to speak in opposition.
Is this part of an elaborate plan to prove that we're so far down the line they can tell us the truth about whats going on and it won't make one iota of difference. It also makes shows like Alex Jones, Alan Watt etc. irrelevant if we're getting the same stuff (maybe watered down slightly) on Glenn Beck.
It's certainly possible but it's also very possible that Glenn Beck is like a gateway drug and that many people will go further down the rabbit hole because he points out the fact that a rabbit keeps poking his head out of the grass
Nothing is put out on FOX which isn't approved by the Elite who own the company.
That's only half true. Gadiantons always have been about getting gain. The news is a FOR-PROFIT business. They get paid based on ratings and viewership. Advertisers don't pay for air time on stations no one watches. The fact that Fox is number 1 in most time slots is evidence that the stuff they are saying sells. If you believe the real PTB control the news channels then consider this - they don't care what we know and how much we know because they don't believe people can or will do anything about it.
I want to like him but there's something about him that I don't trust.

Skepticism is healthy. But there is a wonderful example of having it in too much abundance described in the last of Lewis' Narnia series. A group of dwarves, trying desperately to protect themselves and avoid being 'taken in' could not see the glories of eternal life set before them and instead believed themselves to be prisoners in a dank and dung filled stable. Even as wine and a table set for Kings lay before them, they only smelled and saw the sights and odors of a filthy barn. Lewis writes that they were "so afraid of being taken in that they could not be taken out" of the mental prison of their own creation. I'm not saying this applies in your case. I'm simply offering the observation that we can go so far in our refusal to believe that we refuse to see the good set right before us.
Man I sooooo feel exactly the same way. I talked to my wife about this a couple of years ago back before he went on T.V. I listened to him back when he was out of Florida and I liked his show, it was funny. He's a goofball. Then I saw how fast he rose to popularity and then went on CNN?!?!?! What? Wait, what?? No seriously....WHAT? Oooo now he's on Fox NEWS! Wow! Ain't that the Christian news channel? Part of me thinks he's just there so that the boneheads can feel like they still have at least a little control on what's going on. Wow look! He's taking on the big guys! Baaa Baaa Baaa, woooooo, he stands for US! And the news channels sit back silently and let him speak, because everyone's eyes are on what Beck is telling them is going on.
It's kind of dangerous to assume that because someone has a platform he must be a pawn. After all, the prophet has a platform and there are some saints on the fringe that question why only white men from Utah and Idaho get to be church president. And why so many of them are related... anti-mormons use the same arguments about the church that some on this forum use to discredit Beck and others. The danger in this Freudian thinking is that after a while, you don't recognize a real cigar.
Could Glenn Beck be the conservative Obama? The 'Savior' of the Constitution and America with his little principles? Is he being set up for a huge fall? Are they going to rally everyone around him and his causes as the only hope and then break him in front of the world? Or is he an honest guy trying to wake up those he can before it's too late.
Glenn Beck hardly ranks among conservative personalities. He is far less popular than Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter among dedicated conservatives. He wasn't invited to CPAC. He doesn't blog on townhall.com. To even call him a conservative would be a huge stretch.
But then again, the truth in this world is never that simple. So far, the point I agree with most! The truth is never this simple. Most likely Beck is just a guy like any other who started out trying to make a living in broadcasting, learned sad truths about the government as he went along, developed a following, and ended up on t.v. because there was a huge market for his show and now lines R. Murdoch's pockets every time he speaks. Seriously, I'm like THIS close to complete detachment. Who's with me? How bout we awaken to our situation and get ready? Propaganda off / Spirit on.

Rob wrote:I stopped listening to this guy when he started spewing nonsense regarding 9/11 truth. Mormon Shmormon. Obviously, just because we're promised we may know the truth of all things doesn't mean we will know. Especially if we don't ask for the truth. As I've stated before, you if you don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, then you have not asked HF to know the truth.

(This guy can't tell truth from a hole in the ground and yet he calls 9/11 Truthers "dangerous idiots". Please. )

In spite of our delight in defining ourselves as modern, and our tendency to think we possess a sophistication that no people in the past ever had—in spite of these things, we are, on the whole, an idolatrous people—a condition most repugnant to the Lord.

We are a warlike people, easily distracted from our assignment of preparing for the coming of the Lord. When enemies rise up, we commit vast resources to the fabrication of gods of stone and steel—ships, planes, missiles, fortifications—and depend on them for protection and deliverance. When threatened, we become antienemy instead of pro-kingdom of God; we train a man in the art of war and call him a patriot, thus, in the manner of Satan’s counterfeit of true patriotism, perverting the Savior’s teaching:

"Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

"That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven." (Matt. 5:44–45.)
http://www.latterdayconservative.com/sp ... rship.html

Dan wrote:I think that Glenn has infiltrated this forum and this thread, so will the real Glenn Beck please come clean? I think it is bella, anyone else agree?

MercynGrace wrote:Do you have any quotes explaining Capt. Moroni's actions or differentiating between what he did and any other kind of preemptive military action? I am not asking about the Iraq war but simply about the policy issue. If preemptive war is categorically wrong, what do you make of Capt, Moroni's behavior in these instances? And where can I find words of the prophets specifically addressing this issue.

The 28 Great Ideas That Are Changing the World

W. Cleon Skousen searched and studied over 150 volumes of the Founding Fathers original writings, minutes, letters, biographies, etc. and distilled the ideas into The Five Thousand Year Leap, published by the National Center for Constitutional Studies, 1981. http://www.nccs.net/index.html

1. The only reliable basis for sound government and just human relations is Natural Law.
2. A free people cannot survive under a republican constitution unless they remain virtuous and morally strong.
3. The most promising method of securing a virtuous and morally stable people is to elect virtuous leaders.
4. Without religion the government of a free people cannot be maintained.
5. All things were created by God, therefore upon Him all mankind are equally dependent, and to Him they are equally responsible.
6. All men are created equal.
7. The proper role of government is to protect equal rights, not provide equal things.
8. Men are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.
9. To protect man’s rights, God has revealed certain principles of divine law.
10. The God-given right to govern is vested in the sovereign authority of the whole people.
11. The majority of the people may alter or abolish a government that has become tyrannical.
12. The United States of America shall be a republic.
13. A constitution should be structured to permanently protect the people from the human frailties of their rulers.
14. Life and liberty are secure only so long as the right of property is secure.
15. The highest level of prosperity occurs when there is a free-market economy and a minimum of government regulations.
16. The government should be separated into three branches – legislative, executive, and judicial.
17. A system of checks and balances should be adopted to prevent the abuse of power.
18. The unalienable rights of people are most likely to be preserved if the principles of government are set forth in a written constitution.
19. Only limited and carefully defined powers should be delegated to government, all others being retained in the people.
20. Efficiency and dispatch require government to operate according to the will of the majority, but constitutional provisions must be made to protect the right of the minority.
21. Strong local self-government is the keystone to preserving human freedom.
22. A free people should be governed by law and not by the whims of men.
23. A free society cannot survive as a republic without a broad program of general education.
24. A free people will not survive unless they stay strong.
25. “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none.”
26. The core unit which determines the strength of any society is the family; therefore, the government should foster and protect its integrity.
27. The burden of debt is as destructive to freedom as subjugation by conquest.
28. The United States has a manifest destiny to be an example and a blessing to the entire human race.