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For the last several months I’ve wondered why the leaders do not teach about the following:
Broken heart and contrite spirit (occasionally they mention this)
Baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost (done by Jesus Christ)
Calling and election
Second comforter

These things were taught by Christ’s apostles in the New Testament and in the Book of Mormon. There are also examples of people receiving these ordinances throughout the scriptures. Joseph Smith taught the people these principles. Then it stopped. Ask yourself why that is? Why did it stop? It shouldn’t have because these things are the way to exaltation and salvation.
Why is it that when Russell Nelson mentions the covenant path, that he mentions none of these things?
He only mentions the outward ordinances, which symbolize these important steps….like sacrament and temple covenants. Those are outward ordinances. They symbolize the important inward ordinances that can only be down through Christ! Baptism is only half of a baptism if you don’t receive the other half from Christ when He baptizes you with the fire and the Holy Ghost. Even Bednar has said that the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost is only an invitation.
Our salvation does not stop there at the outward ordinances! It is evident from the scriptures that things do not save us.
Until we embrace the whole truth, Zion will not come down.
I am not saying these things to pick apart anyone or to complain, I want to help anyone who might feel something is off and there is more to the picture. Please start asking God these very important questions and ask Him to show you the way. He will.

This video describes the way I felt at October conference…. I had these same questions in my head.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dmlJyHF4Rk0

Edit:
I don’t know who this lady is, but this is a great listen and she sums up everything perfectly. It’s long but so worth the listen.
https://content.blubrry.com/doctrineofc ... orever.mp3

RMN lacks charity. Mrs. Jazz owner helps more homeless women than the church. The church sends people to bug infested rape centers. Some women prefer to sleep in their car over being raped. RMN has no intention of spending any of the $100 Billion on battered and abused or abandoned women. His orders are to tell them about welfare and food stamps.

After the Judgment, the Righteous will go to their eternal reward in heaven and the Accursed will depart to hell (see Matthew 25)." The "issue of this judgment shall be a permanent separation of the evil and the good, the righteous and the wicked"

Permanent sounds like forever. Some believe that everyone will eventually make it. No one will make it without charity.

Fred wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 7:08 am RMN lacks charity. Mrs. Jazz owner helps more homeless women than the church. The church sends people to bug infested rape centers. Some women prefer to sleep in their car over being raped. RMN has no intention of spending any of the $100 Billion on battered and abused or abandoned women. His orders are to tell them about welfare and food stamps.

After the Judgment, the Righteous will go to their eternal reward in heaven and the Accursed will depart to hell (see Matthew 25)." The "issue of this judgment shall be a permanent separation of the evil and the good, the righteous and the wicked"

Permanent sounds like forever. Some believe that everyone will eventually make it. No one will make it without charity.

I agree charity is important. It says in the scriptures that charity is loving and helping the widows, fatherless and the destitute. Are we doing that? I’d rather visit and also give money directly to these people instead of giving it to an organization who says they will do it for me.
Thanks for the reminder Fred.

If each of us paid attention to those around us and helped as needed...alot of things would be better....

The trouble is that the church is so organisationally focussed. Get the eight year olds baptised. Promote the boys. Get them to temple. Send the boys on missions (and some girls). Get them married. Produce children. Rinse. Repeat.

Even with converts, there is a cycle of get them bap'd & c'd, then AP, then PB, then MP (or neither if female). Maybe serve a mission, do the same as BIC if right age, get them callings, marry them off etc.

We've fallen into the same trap as Jews. You can observe your dietary codes, rituals and wear the right clothing all you want. Without faith it is meaningless. But an organisation cannot measure that.

The Holy Ghost is definitely not something that comes to you just by box ticking.

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:44 am For the last several months I’ve wondered why the leaders do not teach about the following:
Broken heart and contrite spirit (occasionally they mention this)
Baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost (done by Jesus Christ)
Calling and election
Second comforter

These things were taught by Christ’s apostles in the New Testament and in the Book of Mormon. There are also examples of people receiving these ordinances throughout the scriptures. Joseph Smith taught the people these principles. Then it stopped. Ask yourself why that is? Why did it stop? It shouldn’t have because these things are the way to exaltation and salvation.
Why is it that when Russell Nelson mentions the covenant path, that he mentions none of these things?
He only mentions the outward ordinances, which symbolize these important steps….like sacrament and temple covenants. Those are outward ordinances. They symbolize the important inward ordinances that can only be down through Christ! Baptism is only half of a baptism if you don’t receive the other half from Christ when He baptizes you with the fire and the Holy Ghost. Even Bednar has said that the laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost is only an invitation.
Our salvation does not stop there at the outward ordinances! It is evident from the scriptures that things do not save us.
Until we embrace the whole truth, Zion will not come down.
I am not saying these things to pick apart anyone or to complain, I want to help anyone who might feel something is off and there is more to the picture. Please start asking God these very important questions and ask Him to show you the way. He will.

This video describes the way I felt at October conference…. I had these same questions in my head.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dmlJyHF4Rk0

Edit:
I don’t know who this lady is, but this is a great listen and she sums up everything perfectly. It’s long but so worth the listen.
https://content.blubrry.com/doctrineofc ... orever.mp3

you don't have to have calling and election made sure to go to the CK . . .you don't have to go on a mission , , you don't have to have a calling, etc. . . . you have to be sealed under the new and evelasting then keep allof your covenants . . . the blessings of the new and everlasting covenant IS eternal life

Niemand wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 4:21 pm The trouble is that the church is so organisationally focussed. Get the eight year olds baptised. Promote the boys. Get them to temple. Send the boys on missions (and some girls). Get them married. Produce children. Rinse. Repeat.

Even with converts, there is a cycle of get them bap'd & c'd, then AP, then PB, then MP (or neither if female). Maybe serve a mission, do the same as BIC if right age, get them callings, marry them off etc.

We've fallen into the same trap as Jews. You can observe your dietary codes, rituals and wear the right clothing all you want. Without faith it is meaningless. But an organisation cannot measure that.

The Holy Ghost is definitely not something that comes to you just by box ticking.

Yes. I do think we’ve fallen into the same trap as the Jews. Too many things to check off and “do” which do not bring us salvation but are “works”.

“But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the WORKS of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;”
Romans 9:31-32

however, the teachings of the new and everlasting is availabel to any one who wants to learn about it. . . and, as you said it is taught through out the scriptures . . . prophets lack of directly teaching it does not stop anyone from learning it themself and living to see the face of Jesus .. . .

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 4:55 pm however, the teachings of the new and everlasting is availabel to any one who wants to learn about it. . . and, as you said it is taught through out the scriptures . . . prophets lack of directly teaching it does not stop anyone from learning it themself and living to see the face of Jesus .. . .

Agreed. Thankfully it’s all in the scriptures…. Just imagine the great power that would emerge if the church taught this doctrine of Christ and put aside all other things. People would obtain these blessings and there would be amazing miracles, the likes of Enoch’s day. I believe that was what brought about Zion.

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 5:22 pm

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 4:55 pm however, the teachings of the new and everlasting is availabel to any one who wants to learn about it. . . and, as you said it is taught through out the scriptures . . . prophets lack of directly teaching it does not stop anyone from learning it themself and living to see the face of Jesus .. . .

Agreed. Thankfully it’s all in the scriptures…. Just imagine the great power that would emerge if the church taught this doctrine of Christ and put aside all other things. People would obtain these blessings and there would be amazing miracles, the likes of Enoch’s day. I believe that was what brought about Zion.

yes, you said it right . . .

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:44 am For the last several months I’ve wondered why the leaders do not teach about the following:
Broken heart and contrite spirit (occasionally they mention this)
Baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost (done by Jesus Christ)
Calling and election
Second comforter

There are infinite material of LDS leaders speaking on these topics that are just a click away. Their words do not have an expiration date.

prophets are hard to motivate . . .Moses was stubborn cuz he couldn't speak . . what can I say about Jonah . . . Noah needed 40 years . . . Lot , even though not a prophet . . had to be strong armed out of the city by two angels . . . Jacob had to be humbled by his father in law . . .Limhi caused bondage for his people by making a deal with the lamanites . . JS argued with God and lost manuscripts . . I love that he recognized his failure . . . Adam ate the fruit . . and on and on . . I don't know why . . . mortals

men are weak and they have a harder time when they hold onto an identity in the world . . professional, material, degreed, etc.

I really think that the Lord has given the gentiles extended grace and more grace than he did the house of israel . . . its mentioned in the BofM . . it is also mentioned that he gentiles will have the HG . . but the Lord will speak directly to the House of Israel . . which is the Bible people and the BofM people . . .don't know if that effects the communication from above to us gentiles . . . .

so extended grace means that we don't turn into a pillar of salt, . . get stoned by our peers. . . get killed cuz we did the sacrafice at the temple incorrectly or uncleanly . . . don't die if we accidentaly touch the ark . . . get removed as aprophet cuz we didn't watch . . . or any other quick and direct punishment that was given to Israel . . . who are the people of the Bible and BofM

so I really, really, really think that we have had it good for along time and Uckdorf and Nelson and others have forgotten what war was like and poverty was like and these memories are all just dreams now . . .and not realities . . in fact, the whole church has had it too good . . . and past war generations and depression generations are mostly dead . . the grace for us has been extended a lot . . . and we expect that our kids will be able to earn and live as the last few generations have. . .

we all , including our leaders, think there is plenty of time before we need to start repenting . . .

the rush to build temples is crazy . . but . . .maybe . . .our prophets got distracted with the business of the church as has been mentioned on this forum . . . so the temples didn't get their attention . . I think their lives are too easy as ours are . . . and many of the christians, like us got distracted, too . . . and it is over . . .

too much wickedness in the world now for God to continue to extend the grace . . .

so.. now our government coup is making movies and telling lies to make us think we are stillliving in the world we have had since WW2 . . . but

of course, Enoch, he was motivated . . . can you imagine living in his day in his city . . . we know it can happen . . perhaps you will see it before you leave this godforsaken world . . .

randyps wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 5:52 pm

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:44 am For the last several months I’ve wondered why the leaders do not teach about the following:
Broken heart and contrite spirit (occasionally they mention this)
Baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost (done by Jesus Christ)
Calling and election
Second comforter

There are infinite material of LDS leaders speaking on these topics that are just a click away. Their words do not have an expiration date.

Never heard anyone in my ward or in gc speak on calling and election or second comforter, how they received these gifts and their experiences or how we can receive these blessings.
I’ve also never heard any latter day prophet say they saw the Lord face to face like the prophets in the scriptures testified and so did Joseph Smith. These people not only testified of their experiences but they also sought to help others to obtain the same things. These are signs of true prophets.

… the in vogue phraseology “covenant path” is the epitome of Phariseeical obedience and lockstep marching by the “rules”…

Check the boxes, and you are saved.
Don’t bother looking at Babylon all around.
Ignore secret combinations.
Turn a blind eye from Gadianton robbers,
And pay no attention to the ebbing of freedom and personal Liberty….

Just pay your ten percent to the richest corporation, and keep the statistics in a growth mode, and you will make it.

Stay asleep little sheep, comfy on your couch, in your comfort zone, fitting in with the social order of your neighborhood ecclesiastical leaders…

All is well…. all is well….

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:42 pm

randyps wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 5:52 pm

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:44 am For the last several months I’ve wondered why the leaders do not teach about the following:
Broken heart and contrite spirit (occasionally they mention this)
Baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost (done by Jesus Christ)
Calling and election
Second comforter

There are infinite material of LDS leaders speaking on these topics that are just a click away. Their words do not have an expiration date.

Never heard anyone in my ward or in gc speak on calling and election or second comforter, how they received these gifts and their experiences or how we can receive these blessings.
I’ve also never heard any latter day prophet say they saw the Lord face to face like the prophets in the scriptures testified and so did Joseph Smith. These people not only testified of their experiences but they also sought to help others to obtain the same things. These are signs of true prophets.

agree . . .those prophets who have seen Christ face to face are definitely those who can lead others to calling and election or to a knowlege in this life that they have eternal life . . . conversly . . .those prophets who do not see the face of Christ have difficulty leading us to anywhere . . .

Enos of the BofM claims that he only heard a voice . . . I'd have to read for more . . but . . I think prophets aren't all the same . . . do not all step up to the task...when you think about it, the first prophets of this dispensation all quit, except JS and a few others . . .

our prophets teach this doctrine only to the general leaders of the church . . .70s, mission pres, temple pres, etc. . . and offer this ordinance to them . . . I really don't know why they don't teach it generally . . .

perhaps their faith is different than the sons of Mosiah who believed they could recover a lost and wicked people . . .the lamanites . . those guys converted kings . . .or their faith is not that of Alma who went from city to city to make sure the people were keeping the churches and their testimonies straight . . He taught of calling and election . . .

maybe they've heard for too many years that we are in the last days . . .and they believe you and I are the wicked people and only their leaders are the righteous . . . I can only guess . .

but . . .as long as you and I keep asking the Lord to teach us of the way to get this promise . . then, we get closer to the Lord calling someone to a prophetic office that will do it . . someone that will teach even the wicked like Enos did . . . and save a city . . or more time to build Zion

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 7:28 pm

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:42 pm

randyps wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 5:52 pm

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:44 am For the last several months I’ve wondered why the leaders do not teach about the following:
Broken heart and contrite spirit (occasionally they mention this)
Baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost (done by Jesus Christ)
Calling and election
Second comforter

There are infinite material of LDS leaders speaking on these topics that are just a click away. Their words do not have an expiration date.

Never heard anyone in my ward or in gc speak on calling and election or second comforter, how they received these gifts and their experiences or how we can receive these blessings.
I’ve also never heard any latter day prophet say they saw the Lord face to face like the prophets in the scriptures testified and so did Joseph Smith. These people not only testified of their experiences but they also sought to help others to obtain the same things. These are signs of true prophets.

agree . . .those prophets who have seen Christ face to face are definitely those who can lead others to calling and election or to a knowlege in this life that they have eternal life . . . conversly . . .those prophets who do not see the face of Christ have difficulty leading us to anywhere . . .

Enos of the BofM claims that he only heard a voice . . . I'd have to read for more . . but . . I think prophets aren't all the same . . . do not all step up to the task...when you think about it, the first prophets of this dispensation all quit, except JS and a few others . . .

our prophets teach this doctrine only to the general leaders of the church . . .70s, mission pres, temple pres, etc. . . and offer this ordinance to them . . . I really don't know why they don't teach it generally . . .

perhaps their faith is different than the sons of Mosiah who believed they could recover a lost and wicked people . . .the lamanites . . those guys converted kings . . .or their faith is not that of Alma who went from city to city to make sure the people were keeping the churches and their testimonies straight . . He taught of calling and election . . .

maybe they've heard for too many years that we are in the last days . . .and they believe you and I are the wicked people and only their leaders are the righteous . . . I can only guess . .

but . . .as long as you and I keep asking the Lord to teach us of the way to get this promise . . then, we get closer to the Lord calling someone to a prophetic office that will do it . . someone that will teach even the wicked like Enos did . . . and save a city . . or more time to build Zion

Evan you’re awesome!

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:42 pm

randyps wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 5:52 pm

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:44 am For the last several months I’ve wondered why the leaders do not teach about the following:
Broken heart and contrite spirit (occasionally they mention this)
Baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost (done by Jesus Christ)
Calling and election
Second comforter

There are infinite material of LDS leaders speaking on these topics that are just a click away. Their words do not have an expiration date.

Never heard anyone in my ward or in gc speak on calling and election or second comforter, how they received these gifts and their experiences or how we can receive these blessings.
I’ve also never heard any latter day prophet say they saw the Lord face to face like the prophets in the scriptures testified and so did Joseph Smith. These people not only testified of their experiences but they also sought to help others to obtain the same things. These are signs of true prophets.

If seeing the Lord face to face is your requirement of a true prophet then you will be excited to know that there are many who have seen the Lord face to face, you can find them on youtube.

randyps wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 8:14 pm

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:42 pm

randyps wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 5:52 pm

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:44 am For the last several months I’ve wondered why the leaders do not teach about the following:
Broken heart and contrite spirit (occasionally they mention this)
Baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost (done by Jesus Christ)
Calling and election
Second comforter

There are infinite material of LDS leaders speaking on these topics that are just a click away. Their words do not have an expiration date.

Never heard anyone in my ward or in gc speak on calling and election or second comforter, how they received these gifts and their experiences or how we can receive these blessings.
I’ve also never heard any latter day prophet say they saw the Lord face to face like the prophets in the scriptures testified and so did Joseph Smith. These people not only testified of their experiences but they also sought to help others to obtain the same things. These are signs of true prophets.

If seeing the Lord face to face is your requirement of a true prophet then you will be excited to know that there are many who have seen the Lord face to face, you can find them on youtube.

It’s not my requirement, it’s His and it’s throughout the scriptures. It’s not just seeing Him. It’s Him calling you to eternal life and bestowing the gift of the second comforter to you. And for a prophet, He calls him directly to the work. This is how He’s always done it. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Lehi, Nephi, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc. God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 8:25 pm

randyps wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 8:14 pm

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:42 pm

randyps wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 5:52 pm

There are infinite material of LDS leaders speaking on these topics that are just a click away. Their words do not have an expiration date.

Never heard anyone in my ward or in gc speak on calling and election or second comforter, how they received these gifts and their experiences or how we can receive these blessings.
I’ve also never heard any latter day prophet say they saw the Lord face to face like the prophets in the scriptures testified and so did Joseph Smith. These people not only testified of their experiences but they also sought to help others to obtain the same things. These are signs of true prophets.

If seeing the Lord face to face is your requirement of a true prophet then you will be excited to know that there are many who have seen the Lord face to face, you can find them on youtube.

It’s not my requirement, it’s His and it’s throughout the scriptures. It’s not just seeing Him. It’s Him calling you to eternal life and bestowing the gift of the second comforter to you. And for a prophet, He calls him directly to the work. This is how He’s always done it. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Lehi, Nephi, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc. God is the same yesterday, today and forever.

There are many men living today that have met the Lord in person and the Lord called them "directly" to be his prophet, just like it was in the scriptures. You should seek them out, you might be surprised how inspired they are, more then the LDS prophet RMN. Then you will realize that you wasted a lot of your time complaining about mormonism. Find your happiness!

I believe and have faith that RMN is a true prophet and leader of the LDS church. I dont need him to see God because I already know God, I dont need him to tell me Gods word because I already know Gods word, I just need him to lead the church the way God would want it to be led.

It’s a bit of a paradoxical situation. Management is about constraints and control, efficiency and generalizations for the masses. The Holy Spirit can neither be controlled nor constrained, moves upon individuals independent of management and according to their unique needs, and cannot be tracked or correlated.

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:42 pm

randyps wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 5:52 pm

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:44 am For the last several months I’ve wondered why the leaders do not teach about the following:
Broken heart and contrite spirit (occasionally they mention this)
Baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost (done by Jesus Christ)
Calling and election
Second comforter

There are infinite material of LDS leaders speaking on these topics that are just a click away. Their words do not have an expiration date.

Never heard anyone in my ward or in gc speak on calling and election or second comforter, how they received these gifts and their experiences or how we can receive these blessings.
I’ve also never heard any latter day prophet say they saw the Lord face to face like the prophets in the scriptures testified and so did Joseph Smith. These people not only testified of their experiences but they also sought to help others to obtain the same things. These are signs of true prophets.

I think sometimes we make it too complicated, or more complicated than it really is. Sometimes people get themselves into a predicament that they do not want to have to suffer the consequences for and so they ask God to deliver them. When he does not, they have no faith. If they would have had a prayer in their heart at all times and start with the small stuff and let it grow line upon line and precept upon precept, then one day they realize that God has answered all of their prayers. I might start out with just let me be safe today. After a few years of being safe, I can say, at least it didn't hurt. But sometimes along the way a situation arises that took Devine intervention to remain safe and then I say, wow, I'm glad I had His help. If I wait till I'm already falling over a cliff to ask for help, I might have been better off with a step at a time. Then after a while it is not simply a coincidence anymore. I really could have been killed right there and this is about the tenth time. Then it's like well I better not jinx it and stop asking. It seems to be working pretty good. Then somebody says: "You don't actually believe that do you?" Well, let's put it this way, I'm not going to quit asking. Just little stuff at first. Then one day the mother of all disasters hit and you are safe. After a while you begin to test it. Not haphazardly. Not unrighteously. Just if I do everything that I can personally do, and I just need for nothing to go wrong. Would that be okay? Bam Request granted. Hey, I think I'm on to something here. Then somebody says I sure am lucky. And it isn't luck at all. I have somebody that cares about me that can do stuff I can't do.

Fred wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 10:43 pm

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:42 pm

randyps wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 5:52 pm

Mamabear wrote: ↑April 6th, 2022, 6:44 am For the last several months I’ve wondered why the leaders do not teach about the following:
Broken heart and contrite spirit (occasionally they mention this)
Baptism of fire and the Holy Ghost (done by Jesus Christ)
Calling and election
Second comforter

There are infinite material of LDS leaders speaking on these topics that are just a click away. Their words do not have an expiration date.

Never heard anyone in my ward or in gc speak on calling and election or second comforter, how they received these gifts and their experiences or how we can receive these blessings.
I’ve also never heard any latter day prophet say they saw the Lord face to face like the prophets in the scriptures testified and so did Joseph Smith. These people not only testified of their experiences but they also sought to help others to obtain the same things. These are signs of true prophets.

I think sometimes we make it too complicated, or more complicated than it really is. Sometimes people get themselves into a predicament that they do not want to have to suffer the consequences for and so they ask God to deliver them. When he does not, they have no faith. If they would have had a prayer in their heart at all times and start with the small stuff and let it grow line upon line and precept upon precept, then one day they realize that God has answered all of their prayers. I might start out with just let me be safe today. After a few years of being safe, I can say, at least it didn't hurt. But sometimes along the way a situation arises that took Devine intervention to remain safe and then I say, wow, I'm glad I had His help. If I wait till I'm already falling over a cliff to ask for help, I might have been better off with a step at a time. Then after a while it is not simply a coincidence anymore. I really could have been killed right there and this is about the tenth time. Then it's like well I better not jinx it and stop asking. It seems to be working pretty good. Then somebody says: "You don't actually believe that do you?" Well, let's put it this way, I'm not going to quit asking. Just little stuff at first. Then one day the mother of all disasters hit and you are safe. After a while you begin to test it. Not haphazardly. Not unrighteously. Just if I do everything that I can personally do, and I just need for nothing to go wrong. Would that be okay? Bam Request granted. Hey, I think I'm on to something here. Then somebody says I sure am lucky. And it isn't luck at all. I have somebody that cares about me that can do stuff I can't do.

Lol...that's tooooo easy Fred.......good explanation....it should be just that simple if you will let it.....lol ....great comment...