LDS Freedom Forum

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 1:32 pm**

762X545 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 9:14 pm I question the notion that he is "constrained," from revealing some sort of revelation to the members of the church. What's the point of even having a prophet then if he can't say anything. It's not like he (or any recent prophet) has given any real guidance that has been disregarded by the membership. The vast majority of members live and die on every little word that spews from Rusty's mouth. He says jump, they jump. They aren't disregarding the voice of a claimed prophet. They may me disregarding the voice of the Lord...but not the "prophet."

If he is being constrained, it is for this reason:

Mormon 1:13-19 wrote: 13 But wickedness did prevail upon the face of the whole land, insomuch that the Lord did take away his beloved disciples, and the work of miracles and of healing did cease because of the iniquity of the people.

14 And there were no gifts from the Lord, and the Holy Ghost did not come upon any, because of their wickedness and unbelief.

15 And I, being fifteen years of age and being somewhat of a sober mind, therefore I was visited of the Lord, and tasted and knew of the goodness of Jesus.

16 And I did endeavor to preach unto this people, but my mouth was shut, and I was forbidden that I should preach unto them; for behold they had wilfully rebelled against their God; and the beloved disciples were taken away out of the land, because of their iniquity.

17 But I did remain among them, but I was forbidden to preach unto them, because of the hardness of their hearts; and because of the hardness of their hearts the land was cursed for their sake.

18 And these Gadianton robbers, who were among the Lamanites, did infest the land, insomuch that the inhabitants thereof began to hide up their treasures in the earth; and they became slippery, because the Lord had cursed the land, that they could not hold them, nor retain them again.

19 And it came to pass that there were sorceries, and witchcrafts, and magics; and the power of the evil one was wrought upon all the face of the land, even unto the fulfilling of all the words of Abinadi, and also Samuel the Lamanite

Mormon, a prophet, was constrained not to preach to the people because they, in addition to becoming wicked, had openly rebelled against the Lord.

I would say decorating your neighborhood and your university with LGBT+ flags definitely qualifies as this.

Many of today's members couldn't stand President Oaks' talk about the Plan of Salvation because he dared to condemn the actions done by LGBT+ people. He didn't even have to walk to the podium and say "eff the gays," all he had to do was condemn the actions, leaving no excuse, and you had weeping and wailing. Oaks has essentially replaced Packer as the Apostle that many of the progressives love to hate. Many of them pray for Nelson, not so much because of him being a good prophet, but more so so that Oaks kicks the bucket before Nelson does.

I can't imagine what sociology classes in BYU would have been like today.

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 2:39 pm**

Cewa19 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 11:44 pm
JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 9:53 pm
BroJones wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 7:41 pm It was a fine talk. But his opening story caught me by surprise.

He said: "Economic cycles are unpredictable... " That's a quote I wrote down.

He talked about a sun-dial, and how we can really only know the present hour - not the future. And this from a PROPHET!

I think economic cycles are definitely predictable - and that we are headed for a downturn probably this year. Not a surprise, is that? given the Bidinflation and the shortages. And the threats on the Petrodollar. And the need to repent ... Ether 2, Helaman 13... Etc.

Perhaps he was saying " I could say some things about the future, but I'm constrained... so let's leave it at "unpredictable."

Basically saying what he would NOT talk about (certain future things).

PS - I'm packing to travel tomorrow, so not much time right now. Would appreciate if someone would get this paragraph from RMN's final talk at the conference so we can discuss, in context.
The exact same quote stood out to me and I thought the same thin: "Of course economic cycles can be predicted. That is child's play."

I am trying really hard to give the leadership the benefit of the doubt, but the Lord has definitely told me about the future.
What has the Lord told you about the future? What are you preparing for?

I am pretty prepared temporally, but I am weak spiritually. Come follow me lessons have been a huge blessing in my life to better prepare me to receive inspiration. I am still pretty weak and have a long way to go.

Since 2008 the Lord warned me about the lower birthrates that were coming and the effect they would have on the economy, politics and latter day prophesy. Years that were/are important in terms of large events because of the aging baby boomers and the lower fertility rates: 2015, 2020, 2024, 2027, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032, 2033.

The Lord also taught me about the pattern of 400 years and 14 generation so that I was prepared for some of what happened in 2020. I warned as many of my friends as would listen. I was not warned about COVID, but the preparations I made were sufficient for that as well. I think most still don't realize that 2020 was the end of the old government: essentially the fruit of the Mayflower compact from 1620)

Since 2017 the Lord warned me about transhumanism (Daniel 2:43) and how virtual reality and artificial intelligence are going to be used by Satan to push lies as old as the Garden. He will use not just abortion, but euthanasia to kill more people. He will use same sex marriage and poisonous technologies to reduce fertility even further. For those left, he will promise they tech can make them live forever and that eternal life through transhumanism is how we become like God. He will tell them that obedience to God's laws is not necessary to live forever, and will encourage sin in the mind justifying that it is not real sin if it is in VR. He will also push that he, Lucifer is our Savior and that Jesus is not.
True saints will not go along, it will appear that they are leaving the Garden of Eden for the lone and dreary world, but really they will be leaving Babylon for Zion.

He taught me the four steps for leaving Babylon for Zion:
1. Spiritual separation
2. Proximate physical separation
3. Permanent physical separation, learning the laws of Zion
4. Enter promised land/Zion
Patterns for these are found in Lehi's journey, the Jaredite's journey, the Israelite's leaving Egypt, the Pilgrims leaving England, the early Saints.

My family and I have been working towards Zion for sometime, we have made a lot of progress. We left the world spiritually. We are currently in proximate physical separation. With the Lord timing, we will take the next two steps. We know others who have done so as well.

Now, all of that is for me and my family. Not all of that may be for you. Maybe none of that is for you. Remember that Lehi and Mulek left Jerusalem at approximately the same time, but independently of each other. Lehi, a prophet was told to leave Jerusalem. Jeremiah, a prophet at the same time and in the same place, had to stay. You can see that some of the things above are larger than just me and my family. Some are just for my family. Most, I have not shared.

You don't know me, but I have been on this board for a long time. JuneBug1200 is my current username, but I have been here much longer than that. I have shared these things even before they started to come out to the broader knowledge in the last few years. But none of that matters. Why? Because I am not your prophet or anyone else's. I am a disciple of Christ and these are my marching orders. You must go to the Lord to get your own. You must be his disciple and then He will teach you. I hope to see you in Zion! The only safe path is the Lord's path. You can find it! God bless you in your efforts.

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 3:08 pm**

762X545 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 9:14 pm I question the notion that he is "constrained," from revealing some sort of revelation to the members of the church. What's the point of even having a prophet then if he can't say anything. It's not like he (or any recent prophet) has given any real guidance that has been disregarded by the membership. The vast majority of members live and die on every little word that spews from Rusty's mouth. He says jump, they jump. They aren't disregarding the voice of a claimed prophet. They may me disregarding the voice of the Lord...but not the "prophet."

Pump the brakes brutha.

There is plenty of precedent of the Lord constraining His prophets when he deems so. I’ve included one such case that you may enjoy. I’m sure you can think of others.

Alma 45:9
But behold, I have somewhat to prophesy unto thee; but what I prophesy unto thee ye shall not make known; yea, what I prophesy unto thee shall not be made known, even until the prophecy is fulfilled; therefore write the words which I shall say.

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 3:35 pm**

The eyes of our latter-day seers are supposed to be closed according to the Book of Mormon. Why do we expect anything otherwise?

In 2 Ne 27:5 we are told that it is because of the iniquity of the people that the Lord closes the eyes of the Seers. Our iniquity caused it.

The Lord closes their eyes, meaning their eyes were at one point open. Think, for example, Joseph and Sydney receiving section 76. Their eyes were open. We, the people, then rejected the building up of Zion. The Lord told us in the D&C that it was our iniquity that did it. Then, just as prophesied, the revelation dries up and not since Jospeh have we had a "Thus saith the Lord" revelation.

There are no other Seers in the latter-days who saw and then stopped seeing.

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 4:32 pm**

keeprunning wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 8:49 am I enjoyed conference. For me, it feels like things are back on track and I'm ready to put all the covid responses behind me and move forward. Start dealing with things as they come. Yes, we have ideas, but it is uncertain how things will pan out. It was nice to watch conference just enjoy it. Not trying to search for any hidden meanings or anything like that.

Well said!

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 4:35 pm**

jreuben wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 12:40 pm I heard he asked folks to pray for Ukraine. Already have been praying for Ukraine: that Russia FULLY liberates them from the communists ASAP and that they are no longer under the control of the USSA deep commies that have been in power in the USA for over 100 years.

I didn't hear it like that ("pray for Ukraine", "pray for Ukraine (but not Russia)", etc.).

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 4:40 pm**

Shawn Henry wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 3:35 pm The eyes of our latter-day seers are supposed to be closed according to the Book of Mormon. Why do we expect anything otherwise?

In 2 Ne 27:5 we are told that it is because of the iniquity of the people that the Lord closes the eyes of the Seers. Our iniquity caused it.

The Lord closes their eyes, meaning their eyes were at one point open. Think, for example, Joseph and Sydney receiving section 76. Their eyes were open. We, the people, then rejected the building up of Zion. The Lord told us in the D&C that it was our iniquity that did it. Then, just as prophesied, the revelation dries up and not since Jospeh have we had a "Thus saith the Lord" revelation.

There are no other Seers in the latter-days who saw and then stopped seeing.

BY, JT, and WW had a few revelations.

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 5:07 pm**

Cewa19 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 11:44 pm
JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 9:53 pm
BroJones wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 7:41 pm It was a fine talk. But his opening story caught me by surprise.

He said: "Economic cycles are unpredictable... " That's a quote I wrote down.

He talked about a sun-dial, and how we can really only know the present hour - not the future. And this from a PROPHET!

I think economic cycles are definitely predictable - and that we are headed for a downturn probably this year. Not a surprise, is that? given the Bidinflation and the shortages. And the threats on the Petrodollar. And the need to repent ... Ether 2, Helaman 13... Etc.

Perhaps he was saying " I could say some things about the future, but I'm constrained... so let's leave it at "unpredictable."

Basically saying what he would NOT talk about (certain future things).

PS - I'm packing to travel tomorrow, so not much time right now. Would appreciate if someone would get this paragraph from RMN's final talk at the conference so we can discuss, in context.
The exact same quote stood out to me and I thought the same thin: "Of course economic cycles can be predicted. That is child's play."

I am trying really hard to give the leadership the benefit of the doubt, but the Lord has definitely told me about the future.
What has the Lord told you about the future? What are you preparing for?

I am pretty prepared temporally, but I am weak spiritually. Come follow me lessons have been a huge blessing in my life to better prepare me to receive inspiration. I am still pretty weak and have a long way to go.

google: Isaiah Institute podcasts . . .go to the BofM podcasts . . best advice ever . . .also, on that sight, read the blogs . . the group that writes this stuff is great for spiritual suggestions to prepare

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 5:16 pm**

MikeMaillet wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 8:58 am We need to let go of these guys; they've been corrupted and are busy building malls and other fine sanctuaries. They also spend a lot of time managing gigantic stock portfolios and one of God's "Special Witnesses" splits his duties between God and Mammon by sitting on the board of directors of a fitness company (https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/10 ... fering-by/). If we've been studying Isaiah, as commanded by our God, we already know the future and we know why it all ends in disaster. Many members of the church are perhaps hoping for some positive message of hope and that we will be able to survive the coming day of calamity. The only hope we have is to begin living the covenant that goes along with living on a land of promise, the Book of Mormon.

Isaiah 1

14) Your monthly and regular meetings
my soul detests.
They have become a burden on me;
I am weary of putting up with them.

15) When you spread forth your hands,
I will conceal my eyes from you;
though you pray at length, I will not hear—
your hands are filled with blood.

16) Wash yourselves clean:
remove your wicked deeds
from before my eyes;
cease to do evil.

17) Learn to do good: demand justice,
stand up for the oppressed;
plead the cause of the fatherless,
appeal on behalf of the widow.

18) Come now, let us put it to the test,
says Jehovah:
though your sins are as scarlet,
they can be made white as snow;
though they have reddened as crimson,
they may become white as wool.

19) If you are willing and obey,
you shall eat the good of the land.

20) But if you are unwilling and disobey,
you shall be eaten by the sword.
By his mouth Jehovah has spoken it.

God's words are not namby-pamby and I believe Him/God rather than a bunch of double-initialed, finely clothed business men that demand that I stand up when they enter the room.

Mike Maillet
Ingleside, Ontario

a fitness company that is staffed with illegals

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 5:19 pm**

Severed Lips wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 3:08 pm
762X545 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 9:14 pm I question the notion that he is "constrained," from revealing some sort of revelation to the members of the church. What's the point of even having a prophet then if he can't say anything. It's not like he (or any recent prophet) has given any real guidance that has been disregarded by the membership. The vast majority of members live and die on every little word that spews from Rusty's mouth. He says jump, they jump. They aren't disregarding the voice of a claimed prophet. They may me disregarding the voice of the Lord...but not the "prophet."
Pump the brakes brutha.

There is plenty of precedent of the Lord constraining His prophets when he deems so. I’ve included one such case that you may enjoy. I’m sure you can think of others.

Alma 45:9
But behold, I have somewhat to prophesy unto thee; but what I prophesy unto thee ye shall not make known; yea, what I prophesy unto thee shall not be made known, even until the prophecy is fulfilled; therefore write the words which I shall say.

just wondering . . do you really believe that is why the prophet is not telling us stuff ??? cuz, by using this quote then you think the Lord is talking to the prophet . . . . where's the rest of the scriptures around this one that tells why the prophet can't prophesy . . are we a people that God and the prophet would need to keep secrets from? . . .I know another scripture that says the Lord will do nothing without revealing it to the prophets? hmmmmm. . . so what is going on now?

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 5:20 pm**

silverado wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 11:30 am
InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 11:15 am I was saddened to learn that President Nelson did not know that parts of the novel coronavirus genome had been patented by Moderna in 2016. I was also saddened to learn that President Nelson did not have any comments about how the "Godsend" shots were completely ineffective and downright harmful.

Sounds like they want all of this nonsense they participated in and promoted swept under the rug and forgotten about. In six months, there will never be a peep about the "pandemic" out of their mouths during GC.
Saddened, but not surprised. They urged members to get the shot in 1976 that was later discontinued for serious safety reasons. No comment. More recently the Church has financially helped (through gavi) get girls vaxxed with gardasil. Safety concerns with that too. But no comment.

gardisil causes sterilization in gorls and boys or men and women . . . .part of the genocide plan . . .100% sterilization

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 5:39 pm**

Pazooka wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 9:07 pm I transcribed it:

Yes, we should learn from the past, and yes, we should learn from the future.
I would love it if he said we should learn from the future.

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 5:42 pm**

Pazooka wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 9:07 pm I transcribed it:

Yes, we should learn from the past, and yes, we should learn from the future.
I would love it if he said we should learn from the future.

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 5:52 pm**

tdj wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 11:40 am
zionssuburb wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 11:23 am
NeveR wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 12:49 am He looked like a tired, sold out, empty old man to me, reciting words put in his mouth by a team of script writers. As relevant and sincere as Biden.

Huh. When he first stood up, this conference my wife exclaimed with surprise how good he looked.

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 6:07 pm**

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 9:53 pm
BroJones wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 7:41 pm "Of course economic cycles can be predicted. That is child's play."

Child's play? I have heard numerous experts predicting economic collapse for years. It never happened. So much for the experts. So, children should have it right? Where can I find the children's predictions? Clearly, the prophet will have his own opinion, but he would not express that over the pulpit, just as he didn't preach his own opinion about the vaccine in any official manner. If the Lord wants the saints to be told something, then he will tell the prophet what to tell us. Apparently, the Lord has given him no message to give us regarding economic cycles- at least not one that applies to the whole world. Congratulations on being taught of the Lord personally about economic cycles. Perhaps you should share the teachings with us. The test of a prophet is to see if what he says comes true. You wouldn't mind sharing your "child's play" revelations, would you?

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 6:19 pm**

InfoWarrior82 wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 11:17 am
JSmith wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 10:33 am
Pazooka wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 9:07 pm I transcribed it:

the only thing that sets LDS church leadership apart is the claim to authority, which at times seems tenuous at best.

Agreed.
So, what is your plan? Strike off alone in this, the last dispensation?

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 9:30 pm**

boomer alert

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 9:41 pm**

I noticed that RMN shook everyone's hand except Uchtdorfs. He barely even acknowledged that he existed. Bad blood?

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 9:48 pm**

762X545 wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 9:41 pm I noticed that RMN shook everyone's hand except Uchtdorfs. He barely even acknowledged that he existed. Bad blood?

snubb'd

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 9:54 pm**

I keep thinking about President Nelsons talk on forgiveness.

Someone hurt me repeatedly and deeply and I know I should forgive, I think probably Jesus wants me to forgive. But it is hard. My heart is hard too.

I also think I maybe should forgive Nelson, and a few others in the church who probably didn't set out to tick me off, but for one reason or another did.

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 10:00 pm**

onetruesteve wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 6:07 pm
JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 9:53 pm
BroJones wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 7:41 pm "Of course economic cycles can be predicted. That is child's play."

Child's play? I have heard numerous experts predicting economic collapse for years. It never happened. So much for the experts. So, children should have it right? Where can I find the children's predictions? Clearly, the prophet will have his own opinion, but he would not express that over the pulpit, just as he didn't preach his own opinion about the vaccine in any official manner. If the Lord wants the saints to be told something, then he will tell the prophet what to tell us. Apparently, the Lord has given him no message to give us regarding economic cycles- at least not one that applies to the whole world. Congratulations on being taught of the Lord personally about economic cycles. Perhaps you should share the teachings with us. The test of a prophet is to see if what he says comes true. You wouldn't mind sharing your "child's play" revelations, would you?
Sure.

Take the number of births each year during the baby boom from 1946 to 1964 in the USA. Overlay the milestones of aging: downsizing and death for example.

Now, take the birth data from 2008 forward in the USA. (Notice the consistent dropping with the exception of 2013?) Overlay the milestones of aging: both work and education.

What you will find is that downward economic pressure from the aging boomers combined with the downward economic pressure from the lack of babies from 2008 forward will provide some specific dates: 2024, 2027, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032, 2033. . . this could go on until 2048 with just those two points.

If that wasn't bad enough, take a look at the UN Population Prospectus from 2010 and 2012. Notice the low variant of 0.5 less children predicts the world's population peaking in 2050. Look at current demographic data from the cdc national vital statistics system and notice how we have exceeded that low variant.

Understand that means that peak population is likely to come sooner (even if the UN insists on fudging it more current data with regard to places like Africa. Obviously people noticed. It is a wonder how they thought they could hide data they had already published. )

Now that we have established that I will bear testimony, that it was in fact the Lord that told me to study demographics and who taught me what this means. I am grateful for personal revelation, the gift of the Holy Ghost and a loving Heavenly Father who reveals to his children that which they need for both temporal and spiritual salvation. In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 10:10 pm**

"Demographic Winter".... Produced by KBYU or BYUtv I think. It might be 10 years old now. It was ahead of its time. First time I watched it I had flashes of insights and connections.

If BYUtv could see it, so could government and industry leaders.

I was puzzled when it came out that there was not a renewed call in conference for larger families. Not a program to help men earn more so they could support a wife and kids. Instead the church has gone the other way...promoting and idealizing professional women and all the modern western ideals that result in lower birthrates, smaller families and a disappearing population..

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 10:37 pm**

tribrac wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 10:10 pm "Demographic Winter".... Produced by KBYU or BYUtv I think. It might be 10 years old now. It was ahead of its time. First time I watched it I had flashes of insights and connections.

If BYUtv could see it, so could government and industry leaders.

I was puzzled when it came out that there was not a renewed call in conference for larger families. Not a program to help men earn more so they could support a wife and kids. Instead the church has gone the other way...promoting and idealizing professional women and all the modern western ideals that result in lower birthrates, smaller families and a disappearing population..

Smart guy to know and remember that! It was the original Demographic Winter: The Decline of the Human Family (2008) that got me started in Demographics. BYU cleaned it up and then streamed it in two parts as "The New Economic Reality: Demographic Winter" It is not there anymore, but you can find on youtube, and amazon of all places, for free.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8XQjfG2wYc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw3OQgFsHZI

The UN Population Prospectus from 2010 said the world would hit peak population and begin decline in 2050 with the low variant projections. People exceeded their expectations and had even fewer children. The globalists are under no illusion that depopulation is not only working, it is accelerated, and they are delighted no doubt.

When people say that COV felt rushed, they may be right. The globalists probably thought it would take longer to convince people to have less kids. Maybe they planned COV for 2024, but had to push it up.

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 10:57 pm**

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 5:19 pm
Severed Lips wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 3:08 pm
762X545 wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 9:14 pm I question the notion that he is "constrained," from revealing some sort of revelation to the members of the church. What's the point of even having a prophet then if he can't say anything. It's not like he (or any recent prophet) has given any real guidance that has been disregarded by the membership. The vast majority of members live and die on every little word that spews from Rusty's mouth. He says jump, they jump. They aren't disregarding the voice of a claimed prophet. They may me disregarding the voice of the Lord...but not the "prophet."
Pump the brakes brutha.

There is plenty of precedent of the Lord constraining His prophets when he deems so. I’ve included one such case that you may enjoy. I’m sure you can think of others.

Alma 45:9
But behold, I have somewhat to prophesy unto thee; but what I prophesy unto thee ye shall not make known; yea, what I prophesy unto thee shall not be made known, even until the prophecy is fulfilled; therefore write the words which I shall say.
just wondering . . do you really believe that is why the prophet is not telling us stuff ??? cuz, by using this quote then you think the Lord is talking to the prophet . . . . where's the rest of the scriptures around this one that tells why the prophet can't prophesy . . are we a people that God and the prophet would need to keep secrets from? . . .I know another scripture that says the Lord will do nothing without revealing it to the prophets? hmmmmm. . . so what is going on now?

Well I don’t know for sure, but from the likes of most of the people posting on this forum (take this thread for example), I would venture to guess the Lord isn’t too thrilled with the decline of members sustaining His prophets. There is a pretty clear principle regarding the reception of revelation from prophets…namely:

“There is a great deal that has been revealed that has not yet been lived up to, I assure you. There is a great deal yet remaining to be learned. There is a great deal that is yet to be taught in the spirit of instruction, and there is a great deal that has been revealed through the Prophet Joseph and his associates that the people have not yet received in their hearts, and have not yet become converted to as they should. When we obey and are capable of observing the precepts of the gospel and the laws of God and the requirements of heaven, which have already been revealed, we will be far better off and nearer the goal of perfection in wisdom, knowledge and power than we are today. When that time comes, then there are other things still greater yet to be revealed to the people of God. Until we do our duty, however, in that which we have received, until we are faithful over the things that are now committed into our hands, until we live our religion as we have it now, as the Lord has given it to us, to add commandments, to add light and intelligence to us over that which we have already received, which we have not yet fully obeyed, would be to add condemnation upon our heads.”

Gospel Doctrine by Joseph F. Smith

Obviously that’s my view, you apparently prefer to throw condemnation on the brethren. That’s your right. I guess I just feel who are we to say when the Lord will speak through a prophet. I’m not gonna go there.

I’m sure if I met you I would love and enjoy your company. It just makes me sad to see all these likely amazing people go down a path that we were warned of by Joseph Smith:

A Key to Mysteries
I will give you one of the Keys of the mysteries of the Kingdom. It is an eternal principle, that has existed with God from all eternity: That man who rises up to condemn others, finding fault with the Church, saying that they are out of the way, while he himself is righteous, then know assuredly, that that man is in the high road to apostasy; and if he does not repent, will apostatize, as God lives. The principle is as correct as the one that Jesus put forth in saying that he who seeketh a sign is an adulterous person; and that principle is eternal, undeviating, and firm as the pillars of heaven; for whenever you see a man seeking after a sign, you may set it down that he is an adulterous man.

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith by Joseph Fielding Smith

Posted: **April 4th, 2022, 11:24 pm**

I listened to conference via headphones while I did manual labor around my house so I didn't see anyone's expressions. I didn't notice tiredness or anything like that. But he is 97. How much longer can he go? I keep expecting to hear that he has passed away.

This quote exactly sums up how I viewed this part of R. Nelson's speech:

I didn't interpret his words to mean that HE couldn't predict the future. Rather, I understood his point as being that WE (as individuals) can't control the past or the future of this world, but we CAN control our own present actions

This part of R Nelson's speech just seemed like something Thomas Monson would say. It is a reflective poem designed to tell you that you cannot predict your own future but can control your own presence.

I have lived through the cold war, where everything seemed like it was about to end; 9-11, where it also seemed like things were going to end, the financial problems of 2008; and the terrible governance of Barrack Obama.

Now we are living through what appears to be: 1) a stolen election, 2) a pandemic that came from a laboratory for which the response was highly controlled by people who do not appear to have our best interests, 3) the rise of censorship--pushed by those in the Democratic party and ruthlessly enforced by big tech and an army of leftist individuals, 4) the possibility of war with Russia, 5) the possibility of severe problems with our currency and/or our stock market. It very much appears that there is some sort of secret combination trying to rule the earth.

It seems like things are going to get really bad, but it seemed like that after 9-11 and it seemed like that during the cold war.

During the cold war, 9-11, 2008 crisis, etc., many bad things HAVE happened in my personal life, such as life altering diseases, accidents, aging, and health issues. These events have had a much greater impact on my life than anything going on in the news.

I think the point is that you (an individual listening to the speech) cannot predict your future.

All we can do is control the present and plan for the future.

I have been an enthusiastic "prepper" for a long time, and have supplies and plans if the world collapses. So, my anxiety is under control even though there are terrible things going on. And, I have to say,.... it is very possible, if not likely, that everything in the world just keeps on going, and that this is NOT the final winding up scene; it is just the current events, just like 9-11 was an event, the cold war was an event, etc. It is very possible, if not likely, that five years from now, I'm still doing my day job, the stock market still exists, I still own my home, etc.

I believe this is true: “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” Matt 24:36.

I do not believe that President Nelson knew about covid-19.

But, I also don't believe Brigham Young understood how the civil war would end. I think he actually misunderstood how it would end.

I think Joseph Smith had no idea when and how the world would end.

The Church has given me a lot of great principles to build my life to handle possible contingencies.

Yes, the Church leadership has been disappointing over the last few years, but these few paragraphs in President Nelson's talk did not strike me as anything disappointing or weird.

In general, I thought this was the best conference of the last five years because of its two references to the Proclamation on the Family.

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