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BroJones wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 7:41 pm It was a fine talk. But his opening story caught me by surprise.

He said: "Economic cycles are unpredictable... " That's a quote I wrote down.

He talked about a sun-dial, and how we can really only know the present hour - not the future. And this from a PROPHET!

I think economic cycles are definitely predictable - and that we are headed for a downturn probably this year. Not a surprise, is that? given the Bidinflation and the shortages. And the threats on the Petrodollar. And the need to repent ... Ether 2, Helaman 13... Etc.

Perhaps he was saying " I could say some things about the future, but I'm constrained... so let's leave it at "unpredictable."

Basically saying what he would NOT talk about (certain future things).

PS - I'm packing to travel tomorrow, so not much time right now. Would appreciate if someone would get this paragraph from RMN's final talk at the conference so we can discuss, in context.
Trying to understand,, not meaning to be critical.

The Airbender wrote: ↑April 5th, 2022, 6:01 pm

BroJones wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2022, 7:41 pm It was a fine talk. But his opening story caught me by surprise.

He said: "Economic cycles are unpredictable... " That's a quote I wrote down.

He talked about a sun-dial, and how we can really only know the present hour - not the future. And this from a PROPHET!

I think economic cycles are definitely predictable - and that we are headed for a downturn probably this year. Not a surprise, is that? given the Bidinflation and the shortages. And the threats on the Petrodollar. And the need to repent ... Ether 2, Helaman 13... Etc.

Perhaps he was saying " I could say some things about the future, but I'm constrained... so let's leave it at "unpredictable."

Basically saying what he would NOT talk about (certain future things).

PS - I'm packing to travel tomorrow, so not much time right now. Would appreciate if someone would get this paragraph from RMN's final talk at the conference so we can discuss, in context.
Trying to understand,, not meaning to be critical.

Or you could get your head out of your donkey, read D&C 1, realize he is a con man leading the church into the arms of wicked men, and GTFO.

Ontario wrote: ↑April 9th, 2022, 4:20 pm Russell M Nelson He’s a genuine weirdo. Someone who knows people in the Church Office Building said on Mormon Stories the Temple Department was being overstressed by President Nelson’s crazy temple building agenda. Now he just announced 17 temples this last conference. The guy is an egghead surgeon. I don’t think he really understands the huge logistics (especially now)that are required to build temples in so many different areas. Maybe we will see some mutiny at church headquarters by burned out church employees.

Another thing is the guy is too happy. The man seems to have real feel for what’s going on in the world. He acts like a guy who lives in a bubble. Past prophets seemed to have more empathy. Gordon B Hickley would address the problems and troubles and show some empathy. Russ is just giddy and says trust Jesus.

It’s Jesus, Jesus, Jesus with this guy. The last time I was smothered with so much Jesus crap was at a Southern Baptist meeting years ago. Oh well. I’m sure this conference disappointed a lot of members. They were looking to their leaders with hope of getting some real answers.

Anyways, the man is out of touch and delusional. He’s healthy for his age but man, he’s been a management disaster. I knew the church was in for a wild ride when President Nelson said “Mormon” was an act of Lucifer. He totally spat in the face of previous prophets and proceeded to order the impossible task of erasing the word Mormon from everything. Crazy.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 9th, 2022, 4:58 pm

Ontario wrote: ↑April 9th, 2022, 4:20 pm Russell M Nelson He’s a genuine weirdo. Someone who knows people in the Church Office Building said on Mormon Stories the Temple Department was being overstressed by President Nelson’s crazy temple building agenda. Now he just announced 17 temples this last conference. The guy is an egghead surgeon. I don’t think he really understands the huge logistics (especially now)that are required to build temples in so many different areas. Maybe we will see some mutiny at church headquarters by burned out church employees.

Another thing is the guy is too happy. The man seems to have real feel for what’s going on in the world. He acts like a guy who lives in a bubble. Past prophets seemed to have more empathy. Gordon B Hickley would address the problems and troubles and show some empathy. Russ is just giddy and says trust Jesus.

It’s Jesus, Jesus, Jesus with this guy. The last time I was smothered with so much Jesus crap was at a Southern Baptist meeting years ago. Oh well. I’m sure this conference disappointed a lot of members. They were looking to their leaders with hope of getting some real answers.

Anyways, the man is out of touch and delusional. He’s healthy for his age but man, he’s been a management disaster. I knew the church was in for a wild ride when President Nelson said “Mormon” was an act of Lucifer. He totally spat in the face of previous prophets and proceeded to order the impossible task of erasing the word Mormon from everything. Crazy.

He can announce temples until he is blue in the face. That doesn’t mean they will be built. Out of the 100 temples he has announced, about half are still on square one, with no location yet announced.

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 9th, 2022, 8:49 pm but why does he announce so many that are impossible to build . . . why doesn't he announce them when the ground has been approved with building permits even maybe. . .

Looks like he wants a reputation of people not being able to keep up . . he seems to like that identity . . but, really . . the Lord isn't exactly clearing the way and the Lord expects things to be done not faster than you can walk or something like that . . .

disorganization and jumping the gun is not a great way to lead . . . . this is unrealistic for a leader with or without God

btw . . . I never remember Hinckley and Kimball announcing 100 temples that hadn't even been approved yet . . . perhaps he is trying to gain more popularity than them . . since they were the temple building prophets . . he's gonna outdo them?

EvanLM wrote: ↑April 9th, 2022, 8:49 pm but why does he announce so many that are impossible to build . . . why doesn't he announce them when the ground has been approved with building permits even maybe. . .

Looks like he wants a reputation of people not being able to keep up . . he seems to like that identity . . but, really . . the Lord isn't exactly clearing the way and the Lord expects things to be done not faster than you can walk or something like that . . .

disorganization and jumping the gun is not a great way to lead . . . . this is unrealistic for a leader with or without God

btw . . . I never remember Hinckley and Kimball announcing 100 temples that hadn't even been approved yet . . . perhaps he is trying to gain more popularity than them . . since they were the temple building prophets . . he's gonna outdo them?

tribrac wrote: ↑April 4th, 2022, 9:04 am Highlighted both my awe and my frustration.

He hints at, implies, causes people to believe ...but never says.

I know I sound just like a Pharisee...but I can't help from wishing that he would just tell us plainly.

KosherDad wrote: ↑April 10th, 2022, 12:26 am I keep thinking of RMN’s final talk of General Conference 2020 where he said, “ In every country, this Church teaches its members to honor, obey, and sustain the law.”

That is a true statement. The church does teach that.

Then I think of D&C Section 98 which states:

4 And now, verily I say unto you concerning the laws of the land, it is my will that my people should observe to do all things whatsoever I command them.
5 And that law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.
6 Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land;
7 And as pertaining to law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this, cometh of evil.

Then I think of the multitude of Scripture about false prophets…

For as their laws and their governments were established by the voice of the people
and they which chose evil were more numerous than they which chose good,
therefore they were ripening for destruction, for the laws had become corrupted.