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Ok, not literally in the Matrix, as in plugged in to a huge simulator, but how do we know anything we see on a screen or hear about on air waves ever really happened?

Saw this online which made me think -

"What if the real future of mankind is William Casey's idea - we end up in a matrix where literally everything we think is real is a fabrication?

What if 'reality' becomes nothing but a stream of concocted digital info beamed at us from screens? We think we are witnessing wars, coups, elections, famines, natural disasters, but actually it's just an endless movie crafted to generate the responses our overlords want us to have.

Heck, maybe it's already happening and 80% of what we think is happening in the world is just a movie of the week"

Does anyone ever get the feeling this is true to some extent?

I think it’s very possible we are actually in an artificially created matrix.

There’s probably more truth in those movies than we care to accept. Unfortunately it’s truth conveyed from a Luciferian perspective.

I do wanna emphasize I don't mean a literal Matrix. I think (hope) what we see and hear and touch with our own senses is essentially real.

I mean an info-Matrix. In which the images we see on our screens of wars and crises etc are just dramas designed to create desired responses.

If that were true or partly true would we know?

Isn't it a horrifying thought?

NeveR wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 6:42 pm I do wanna emphasize I don't mean a literal Matrix. I think (hope) what we see and hear and touch with our own senses is essentially real.

I mean an info-Matrix. In which the images we see on our screens of wars and crises etc are just dramas designed to create desired responses.

If that were true or partly true would we know?

Isn't it a horrifying thought?

I agree. They are exaggerating everything. We can discern truth and error by listening to His voice.
Example - the vax. Most of us on this forum knew it was dangerous by the gift of discernment. Using and exercising spiritual gifts will help us now and in the future.

As people become socially distanced from one another, this trend continues. It is no coincidence that families, local loyalties and national identities are being wiped out - they challenge this model.

A few people have commented on this elsewhere, but the Gulf War was the first media war. It was portrayed as a video game, with missiles going down into bunkers.

You can go back further to the Falklands War in '82. Most Americans won't be familiar with it, but there were several notable factors. The British employed a "journalists' pool", as did the Argentines. That meant only approved journalists gained access and took the "right" pictures and printed the right stories. Not like Vietnam, where journalists reported the "wrong" stories e.g. Americsn atrocities, children dying, sloppy evacuation (like Afghanistan recently).

It helped that the Falklands are remote. They're at the wrong end of South America, towards the Antarctic, thousands of miles from the UK. Your only way of reaching them back then was by a military transport.

By the way, I think the British were justified in fighting the Argentine invasion - if nothing else to protect the residents from an Argentine invasion, but there were other factors

A lot of stories were covered up. Like the British commando who collected dead Argentines' ears. Or the fact that the UK was gradually transferring the islands to Argentina before the war and was stripping islanders of employment rights in the UK - that was conveniently buried when the conflict started, and they became loyal Britons. Or the horribly burnt serviceman who was monitored by British intelligence to ensure he wouldn't create bad publicity for the war when he came back. Or the fact that Soviet vessels were wandering around monitoring a lot of what was going on.

The way you describe the Matrix, I've definitely assumed we are in one and have been for a long time.

Check out Operation Mockingbird

So, if you were born a celestial child, and had to leave home for a while, like until you learned to behave and become a celestial citizen, and were sent off to some foreign place, would not this entire contrived environment for testing really be a form of virtual reality? I mean things here are telestially real, but not real as in celestial understanding. Things seem contrived, while freedom is provided, only within bounds (both ends). Except instead of using VR goggles, you get clay bodies.

Now without diverging too much, I feel that the following makes most sense. First, our parents are celestial beings. We learn in the temple that everything reproduces after its own kind. This is referring to the spiritual creation BTW as well as the earth. Then we are born celestial babies. Pre-mortal life is called "spirit children" but that must refer to celestial children that are innocent and without glory (or whatever you want to call what god has that the spirit children don't yet). If we are children of god (literally) then we can never die. so, we didn't die when we came here, celestial bodies cannot die. Therefore, our celestial bodies must be alive, likely asleep, somewhere on a celestial world, while our inner soul (hate to use the word spirit as it is already an overloaded term in this paragraph, but the spirit part of our celestial soul) temporarily manages our temporal body. Death here then returns us to our celestial body, in some testing center on some celestial world. After we return home, if we've progressed enough, we leave the testing center and go back to our parents, this is called resurrection of the dead or resurrection of the just. If we don't make it then we go some where else to work out some things (depends on if you comprehend MMP or not but either way you go somewhere), this would be the second resurrection. Then later after working out the things you need, you obtain the resurrection of the dead or first resurrection (not first & second by temporal measures). and you return home having achieved salvation. Then you can work out your exaltation (see KFD for more specifics).

Anyway, this makes this life much like a clay-mation of the Matrix, or 13th floor, or Meta, etc....

NeveR wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 6:42 pm I do wanna emphasize I don't mean a literal Matrix. I think (hope) what we see and hear and touch with our own senses is essentially real.

I mean an info-Matrix. In which the images we see on our screens of wars and crises etc are just dramas designed to create desired responses.

If that were true or partly true would we know?

Isn't it a horrifying thought?

I think we are and I think it is two levels deep. The only thing I disagree with is the premise that it is all only a show. I do think the audience sometimes get killed during production. But the main actors, Putin and Zelenskyy at the moment, are all part of the same cast. In fact, when both Justin Trudeau and Jacinda Arden went into quarantine at the same time recently, I figured the play called for one of the world leaders to be assassinated and they didn't want it to be them. Instead we had a plot twist and Putin is being made a patsy of sorts. (I don't think they all get the whole script, kind of like those old murder dinner mysteries people use to play, they have roles to play, but only a basic outline, and they get script updates as it goes along.)

The three levels: Level 1: God and the world He made. Level 2 Man and the world he made. Level 3 Satan and the world he made.
This means that when we find out about the third level, it kind of acts like a barrier to breaking the second level.

I discussed this on another thread:

viewtopic.php?p=1219353#p1219353

NeveR wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 6:42 pm I do wanna emphasize I don't mean a literal Matrix. I think (hope) what we see and hear and touch with our own senses is essentially real.

I mean an info-Matrix. In which the images we see on our screens of wars and crises etc are just dramas designed to create desired responses.

If that were true or partly true would we know?

Isn't it a horrifying thought?

I am open to the idea that we are in a literal matrix as depicted in the film.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 2:37 am

NeveR wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 6:42 pm I do wanna emphasize I don't mean a literal Matrix. I think (hope) what we see and hear and touch with our own senses is essentially real.

I mean an info-Matrix. In which the images we see on our screens of wars and crises etc are just dramas designed to create desired responses.

If that were true or partly true would we know?

Isn't it a horrifying thought?

I am open to the idea that we are in a literal matrix as depicted in the film.

It would explain a lot. At the very least we are in Plato's Cave, which is perhaps more similar to what NeveR is talking about.

We constantly see the projection of life, rather than the reality. The Ukrainian situation, as someone has mentioned, is not something any of us here AFAIK are witnessing in person... we're getting it all fed back to us by some source or other with their own agendas.

The entire Covid crisis - regardless of one's view on its origin and nature - has been projected through the prism of news media and that is where Joe Public gets most of his ideas from. It has also helped that people were kept away from one another for long periods, increasing their reliance on the projection, not the tangible reality.

On another thread I was discussing the heavens rolling up like a scroll. I said I see this like a projection screen suddenly deciding to roll itself up, revealing what is behind it. (I've seen a projection screen do that once or twice - blinds too.)

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 8:54 pm when both Justin Trudeau and Jacinda Arden went into quarantine at the same time recently, I figured the play called for one of the world leaders to be assassinated and they didn't want it to be them. Instead we had a plot twist and Putin is being made a patsy of sorts. (I don't think they all get the whole script, kind of like those old murder dinner mysteries people use to play, they have roles to play, but only a basic outline, and they get script updates as it goes along.)

There will be some wriggle room in any plan. These folk have shown themselves to be very rigid, to the point of practically unseating themselves, but there must be some way for them to adapt to unforeseen variables.

The trouble with either Trudeau or Ardern being killed is that it would lead to the cult of a martyr. Given that they both sanctimonious gits in real life, can you imagine what their posthumous image will be like? Streetside shrines to the "liberator", tokenistic minority representatives popping out of their university/political posts saying how much they helped them... pictures of them hugging and kissing babies, and wandering by the seaside. Barf inducing indeed. And not a word from all the people they bankrupted or lives they ruined.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 5:42 am

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 8:54 pm when both Justin Trudeau and Jacinda Arden went into quarantine at the same time recently, I figured the play called for one of the world leaders to be assassinated and they didn't want it to be them. Instead we had a plot twist and Putin is being made a patsy of sorts. (I don't think they all get the whole script, kind of like those old murder dinner mysteries people use to play, they have roles to play, but only a basic outline, and they get script updates as it goes along.)

There will be some wriggle room in any plan. These folk have shown themselves to be very rigid, to the point of practically unseating themselves, but there must be some way for them to adapt to unforeseen variables.

The trouble with either Trudeau or Ardern being killed is that it would lead to the cult of a martyr. Given that they both sanctimonious gits in real life, can you imagine what their posthumous image will be like? Streetside shrines to the "liberator", tokenistic minority representatives popping out of their university/political posts saying how much they helped them... pictures of them hugging and kissing babies, and wandering by the seaside. Barf inducing indeed. And not a word from all the people they bankrupted or lives they ruined.

Do they need to really assassinated people any more? Maybe they can just say they're dead, have a big funeral and send them to live on a private island

NeveR wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 7:51 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 5:42 am

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 8:54 pm when both Justin Trudeau and Jacinda Arden went into quarantine at the same time recently, I figured the play called for one of the world leaders to be assassinated and they didn't want it to be them. Instead we had a plot twist and Putin is being made a patsy of sorts. (I don't think they all get the whole script, kind of like those old murder dinner mysteries people use to play, they have roles to play, but only a basic outline, and they get script updates as it goes along.)

There will be some wriggle room in any plan. These folk have shown themselves to be very rigid, to the point of practically unseating themselves, but there must be some way for them to adapt to unforeseen variables.

The trouble with either Trudeau or Ardern being killed is that it would lead to the cult of a martyr. Given that they both sanctimonious gits in real life, can you imagine what their posthumous image will be like? Streetside shrines to the "liberator", tokenistic minority representatives popping out of their university/political posts saying how much they helped them... pictures of them hugging and kissing babies, and wandering by the seaside. Barf inducing indeed. And not a word from all the people they bankrupted or lives they ruined.

Do they need to really assassinated people any more? Maybe they can just say they're dead, have a big funeral and send them to live on a private island

Inefficient. Those creeps would want to live in the lap of luxury but will have outlived their usefulness. Definite drain on resources.

A little Thoreau came to mind reading this question. I'm about ready to unplug everything and just live.
“I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to die, discover that I had not lived.”
― Henry David Thoreau, Walden

NeveR wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 6:42 pm I do wanna emphasize I don't mean a literal Matrix. I think (hope) what we see and hear and touch with our own senses is essentially real.

I mean an info-Matrix. In which the images we see on our screens of wars and crises etc are just dramas designed to create desired responses.

If that were true or partly true would we know?

Isn't it a horrifying thought?

I saw a meme that said the "Matrix is a documentary"

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 5:42 am

JuneBug12000 wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 8:54 pm when both Justin Trudeau and Jacinda Arden went into quarantine at the same time recently, I figured the play called for one of the world leaders to be assassinated and they didn't want it to be them. Instead we had a plot twist and Putin is being made a patsy of sorts. (I don't think they all get the whole script, kind of like those old murder dinner mysteries people use to play, they have roles to play, but only a basic outline, and they get script updates as it goes along.)

There will be some wriggle room in any plan. These folk have shown themselves to be very rigid, to the point of practically unseating themselves, but there must be some way for them to adapt to unforeseen variables.

The trouble with either Trudeau or Ardern being killed is that it would lead to the cult of a martyr. Given that they both sanctimonious gits in real life, can you imagine what their posthumous image will be like? Streetside shrines to the "liberator", tokenistic minority representatives popping out of their university/political posts saying how much they helped them... pictures of them hugging and kissing babies, and wandering by the seaside. Barf inducing indeed. And not a word from all the people they bankrupted or lives they ruined.

Yes. My thinking at the time was that the trucker convoy was going in Canada and people across the world were waking up and shifting the tide. They needed a martyr to make it look like the truckers and their supporters were the bad guys to keep the narrative going. Trudeau and Arden were the most well known western world tyrants at the time with regard to COVID. If they could have false flagged their deaths, that would have been gold for the reset plan.

I think war with Ukraine came about because they couldn't make that work -AND- they needed Biden to be "a wartime president."

Vision wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 9:55 am

NeveR wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 6:42 pm I do wanna emphasize I don't mean a literal Matrix. I think (hope) what we see and hear and touch with our own senses is essentially real.

I mean an info-Matrix. In which the images we see on our screens of wars and crises etc are just dramas designed to create desired responses.

If that were true or partly true would we know?

Isn't it a horrifying thought?

I saw a meme that said the "Matrix is a documentary"

Roddy Piper famously said They Live was a documentary. It's a sly satire masquerading as a shoot 'em up.