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Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 5:17 am

Atticus wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 9:05 pm This appears to be a symptom of paranoia. Life is better when you don't think there's a conspiracy lurking under every rock.

Ah, gaslighting, nice. I suppose it's just a coincidence that two posters named after figures from classical civilisation seem to align with each other so neatly, and are often active around the same time.

Yes, just a coincidence. Move on.

Tell Arphaxad that I say, "Hi".

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 6:39 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 5:17 am

Atticus wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 9:05 pm This appears to be a symptom of paranoia. Life is better when you don't think there's a conspiracy lurking under every rock.

Ah, gaslighting, nice. I suppose it's just a coincidence that two posters named after figures from classical civilisation seem to align with each other so neatly, and are often active around the same time.

Yes, just a coincidence. Move on.

Tell Arphaxad that I say, "Hi".

You're proving my point about the paranoia.

I don't even know who Arphaxad is. But if you're referring to Artaxerxes, we're not the same person.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 7:47 am

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 6:39 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 5:17 am

Atticus wrote: ↑March 27th, 2022, 9:05 pm This appears to be a symptom of paranoia. Life is better when you don't think there's a conspiracy lurking under every rock.

Ah, gaslighting, nice. I suppose it's just a coincidence that two posters named after figures from classical civilisation seem to align with each other so neatly, and are often active around the same time.

Yes, just a coincidence. Move on.

Tell Arphaxad that I say, "Hi".

You're proving my point about the paranoia.

I agree. It's all just a neat coincidence, I'm paranoid, and you're telling the truth.

I don't even know who Arphaxad is. But if you're referring to Artaxerxes, we're not the same person.

Thanks, Arminius, I'll tell Arphaxad you were asking after him. Amenophis too, if he's still around.

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 7:48 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 7:47 am

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 6:39 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 5:17 am

Ah, gaslighting, nice. I suppose it's just a coincidence that two posters named after figures from classical civilisation seem to align with each other so neatly, and are often active around the same time.

Yes, just a coincidence. Move on.

Tell Arphaxad that I say, "Hi".

You're proving my point about the paranoia.

I agree. It's all just a neat coincidence, I'm paranoid, and you're telling the truth.

I don't even know who Arphaxad is. But if you're referring to Artaxerxes, we're not the same person.

Thanks, Arminius, I'll tell Arphaxad you were asking after him. Amenophis too, if he's still around.

Still paranoid I see.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 7:53 am

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 7:48 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 7:47 am

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 6:39 am

You're proving my point about the paranoia.

I agree. It's all just a neat coincidence, I'm paranoid, and you're telling the truth.

I don't even know who Arphaxad is. But if you're referring to Artaxerxes, we're not the same person.

Thanks, Arminius, I'll tell Arphaxad you were asking after him. Amenophis too, if he's still around.

Still paranoid I see.

I agree with you. Bruce Wayne and Batman are no more the same person than Arminius and Arphaxad are. Or is it Dorus and Darius?

Γίνεσθαί τε πάντα κατ' ἐναντιότητα!

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 8:01 am You really think that I would have a pretend conversation with myself on an anonymous forum?

Life really is better when you don't think there's a conspiracy lurking under every rock.

Life really is better when you don't think there's a conspiracy lurking under every rock.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 8:51 am

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 8:01 am You really think that I would have a pretend conversation with myself on an anonymous forum?

Life really is better when you don't think there's a conspiracy lurking under every rock.

Γίνεσθαί τε πάντα κατ' ἐναντιότητα!

You wouldn't be the first, nor the last. Normally these days it's for commercial reasons, i.e. to shill for a product. If you're clever enough you can write a few Amazon, TripAdvisor, Trustpilot etc reviews for yourself. There are a few bots around, but I think their presence is exaggerated. The aim is the same, big up yourself.

The best ones go unnoticed of course.

Life really is better when you don't think there's a conspiracy lurking under every rock.

Life is also better when you realise some rocks actually do have beasties living under them. That way you are less likely to get bitten.

Since you're not a Harper Lee fan, I'll take it as coincidental you both decided to raid classical history. But maybe you should go for literature next time -choose something like Hester, Ichabod etc, next time. Less obvious.

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 9:25 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 8:51 am

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 8:01 am You really think that I would have a pretend conversation with myself on an anonymous forum?

Life really is better when you don't think there's a conspiracy lurking under every rock.

Γίνεσθαί τε πάντα κατ' ἐναντιότητα!

You wouldn't be the first, nor the last. Normally these days it's for commercial reasons, i.e. to shill for a product. If you're clever enough you can write a few Amazon, TripAdvisor, Trustpilot etc reviews for yourself. There are a few bots around, but I think their presence is exaggerated. The aim is the same, big up yourself.

The best ones go unnoticed of course.

Life really is better when you don't think there's a conspiracy lurking under every rock.

Life is also better when you realise some rocks actually do have beasties living under them. That way you are less likely to get bitten.

Since you're not a Harper Lee fan, I'll take it as coincidental you both decided to raid classical history. But maybe you should go for literature next time -choose something like Hester, Ichabod etc, next time. Less obvious.

Let's assume that your paranoia is correct and Artaxerxes and I are the same person, which we aren't, this doesn't change the fact that you still haven't addressed the real issue.

God and Paul made similar lists of sins as Spencer W. Kimball, but you only take issue with Kimball’s list and haven't been able to provide an answer for this.

you only take issue with Kimball’s list

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 11:13 am
Wee tip: paranoia refers to some idea that people are against you. I find the idea you're probably sock puppets amusing, not threatening.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 11:13 am The post is about Deseret Books pulling the book....There are a lot of other issues with the book.

When it comes to scriptures, some of it is easier than other parts. Revelation is pretty unclear to most people. The psalms are clearer

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 1:48 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 11:13 am
Wee tip: paranoia refers to some idea that people are against you. I find the idea you're probably sock puppets amusing, not threatening.

Paranoia is thinking and feeling like you are being threatened in some way, even if there is no evidence, or very little evidence, that you are.

You clearly do feel threatened by the idea of some kind of shill socket puppet conspiracy on this forum.

This isn't rocket science. You are offended by Kimball's list of sins and accuse him of equating a single angry thought, which was never acted upon, with murder and adultery. And yet Paul and God made similar lists, which you are perfectly fine with.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 4:47 pm

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 1:48 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 11:13 am
Wee tip: paranoia refers to some idea that people are against you. I find the idea you're probably sock puppets amusing, not threatening.

Paranoia is thinking and feeling like you are being threatened in some way, even if there is no evidence, or very little evidence, that you are.

Doesn't really apply here then, because you're about as threatening to me as a wet kipper... and there are also two or three pieces of evidence.

You clearly do feel threatened by the idea of some kind of shill socket puppet conspiracy on this forum.

Calling it a conspiracy makes it sound grander than it is.

People do it. Sometimes they even admit to it.

This isn't rocket science. You are offended by Kimball's list of sins and accuse him of equating a single angry thought, which was never acted upon, with murder and adultery. And yet Paul and God made similar lists, which you are perfectly fine with.

They would be similar if they were an info dump. As it is, that list is longer than some chapters of the Bible.

Maybe we could add schizocybernetic tendencies to the list.

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 5:05 pm You have no evidence whatsoever that Artaxerxes and I are the same individual. So this is clearly a case of paranoia.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 5:00 am

Atticus wrote: ↑March 28th, 2022, 5:05 pm You have no evidence whatsoever that Artaxerxes and I are the same individual. So this is clearly a case of paranoia.

You love to repeat yourself don't you? Firstly, there are the similarities between your two user names, cribbed out of the "A" section of an historical/biographical dictionary (or wherever)....both related to classical history, which is unusual on this board. Secondly, you two are active around the same time of day (if I could be bothered, one could break that down with some kind of analysis of your posting times). Thirdly, you and Arphaxad post on the same subjects in a similar writing style. Fourthly, there's the log rolling, which normally would be of little signicance but when taken with the previous three, gains some.

So that's four pointers. I'd suggest an IP search too, but many people use VPNs now (quite rightly), so that wouldn't make much difference.

Oh, and you both share an interest in cod psychology. Which makes a fifth. Not only do neither of you know what paranoia actually is, you misunderstand what psychological projection is too.
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Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 7:42 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 5:00 am You love to repeat yourself don't you? Firstly, there are the similarities between your two user names, cribbed out of the "A" section of an historical/biographical dictionary (or wherever)....both related to classical history, which is unusual on this board. Secondly, you two are active around the same time of day (if I could be bothered, one could break that down with some kind of analysis of your posting times). Thirdly, you and Arphaxad post on the same subjects in a similar writing style. Fourthly, there's the log rolling, which normally would be of little signicance but when taken with the previous three, gains some.

So that's four pointers. I'd suggest an IP search too, but many people use VPNs now (quite rightly), so that wouldn't make much difference.

Oh, and you both share an interest in cod psychology. Which makes a fifth. Not only do neither of you know what paranoia actually is, you misunderstand what psychological projection is too.
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Your paranoia is running wild here.

I can assure you that we're not the same person and have no relation to each other.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 7:49 am

Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 7:42 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 5:00 am You love to repeat yourself don't you? Firstly, there are the similarities between your two user names, cribbed out of the "A" section of an historical/biographical dictionary (or wherever)....both related to classical history, which is unusual on this board. Secondly, you two are active around the same time of day (if I could be bothered, one could break that down with some kind of analysis of your posting times). Thirdly, you and Arphaxad post on the same subjects in a similar writing style. Fourthly, there's the log rolling, which normally would be of little signicance but when taken with the previous three, gains some.

So that's four pointers. I'd suggest an IP search too, but many people use VPNs now (quite rightly), so that wouldn't make much difference.

Oh, and you both share an interest in cod psychology. Which makes a fifth. Not only do neither of you know what paranoia actually is, you misunderstand what psychological projection is too.
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Your paranoia is running wild here.

I can assure you that we're not the same person and have no relation to each other.

You clearly have no more idea of what paranoia is than Arphaxad does about psychological projection in his post. But hey, you're not the same person, right?

But keep saying the same thing over and over. That's the modern means of "debate", isn't it?

Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 8:00 am Actually it would appear based on our conversation that the modern form of "debate" is to make an accusation, and when challenged with evidence one can't refute, shift gears to a completely unrelated conspiracy theory to try and discredit the challenger.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 8:31 am
You're not very good with definitions are you?

Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 9:59 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 8:31 am
You're not very good with definitions are you?

I used paranoia and conspiracy theory correctly.

But since you seem to think I'm not very good with definitions, maybe you can define these two terms for me: ad hominem and red herring

You employed both to create a distraction in order to avoid addressing the actual topic of our discussion, which is your false accusation against Kimball over his list.

maybe you can define these two terms for me: ad hominem and red herring

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 1:21 pm

Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 9:59 am

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 8:31 am
You're not very good with definitions are you?

I used paranoia and conspiracy theory correctly.

But since you seem to think I'm not very good with definitions, maybe you can define these two terms for me: ad hominem and red herring

You employed both to create a distraction in order to avoid addressing the actual topic of our discussion, which is your false accusation against Kimball over his list.

You used neither correctly, and once again you're posting around the same time as Artaxerxes.

It would be quite fun to compare your posting times. That would be another piece of evidence. Unfortunately, I'll need to put in quite a bit of work to do that. If I was more of a geek, I could put this into a few graphs etc. We can do a bit of basic number crunching here.

Your sign up dates are about a month apart. Not really a smoking gun:
Atticus - September 18th, 2021, 10:36 pm
Artaxerxes - October 24th, 2021, 4:24 pm

Artaxerxes is a much less frequent poster than you, and comes in very roughly 1/3 of your postings. Nothing wrong with that either.

But it seems you lads do have a bit of an overlapping schedule (The times listed are all based on my local timezone not yours, and are in reverse order, apologies.)
Today (Tuesday, 29th March)
Atticus - 4:59 pm, 3:00 pm, 2:42 pm, 12:05 am
Artaxerxes - 5:16 pm

Yesterday (Monday, 28th March) - bit of an active day for both of you.
Atticus - 8:48 pm, 4:25 pm, 3:01 pm, 2:50 pm, 2:48 pm, 1:39 pm , 6:39 am, 6:25 am, 5:39 am, 4:05 am
Artaxerxes - 8:09 pm, [Evening, afternoon, and late morning] 8:27 am, 6:06 am

The day before yesterday (Sunday, 27th March) - both resting on the Sabbath
Atticus - 2:51 am, 1:27 am
Artaxerxes 2:56 am

The day before that (Saturday, 26th March) - Very active day in Persia, pretty quiet in Attica.
Atticus - 11:21 pm, 10:48 pm, 10:01 pm
Artaxerxes- 10:29 pm, 10:21 pm, 10:14 pm, 7:16 pm, 7:04 pm, 6:59 pm - 5.20pm (a number of postings), 3.55pm-2.47 (a burst of postings), 12:42 am, 12:17 am

Yeah, this is just a conspiracy theory. Don't worry, I've taken screen shots of your posting pages, so there's no jiggery pokery. I've attached a couple of these.

maybe you can define these two terms for me: ad hominem and red herring

To the man, and a rare fish. But if you're in a court of law, like your namesake, Mr Finch, then you have to make personal defences, and your character will be up for debate, so it's not really ad hominem. You can't really say to the judge that the case is "ad hominem" if you are the accused. If you were seen hanging around at the same time as the other individual, you don't have a leg to stand on

There is no "false accusation" about Kimball. It's a very real accusation which others have made. In fact, he himself regretted some of the content of the book, and I believe he would have rewritten the thing in another life. However, LDS leaders are notorious for not apologising or backing down over anything. The usual tactic is just to get the next president to change things, or work by increments.

Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 1:41 pm You're once again proving my point about the paranoia.

We're not the same person.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 1:46 pm

Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 1:41 pm You're once again proving my point about the paranoia.

Nah, pal, I just posted a list of your posting times, and guess what? A swedge of them match up.

Deny it if you like, claim I made it up etc. I've taken screenshots of it all.

We're not the same person.

You have a lot in common with each other as stated previously. Just denying all this, isn't convincing.

I mean, I found out that there is a Youtuber called Nemo the Mormon. I considered calling myself Nemo on another forum a while back, because someone had called me a "nobody". I didn't fancy getting confused with a fish or a Jules Verne character so I used the German for "nobody" instead. But I don't really need to differentiate myself because he has a very different style from me.

Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 2:32 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 1:46 pm

Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 1:41 pm You're once again proving my point about the paranoia.

Nah, pal, I just posted a list of your posting times, and guess what? A swedge of them match up.

Deny it if you like, claim I made it up etc. I've taken screenshots of it all.

We're not the same person.

You have a lot in common with each other as stated previously. Just denying all this, isn't convincing.

I mean, I found out that there is a Youtuber called Nemo the Mormon. I considered calling myself Nemo on another forum a while back, because someone had called me a "nobody". I didn't fancy getting confused with a fish or a Jules Verne character so I used the German for "nobody" instead. But I don't really need to differentiate myself because he has a very different style from me.

It appears you have a thing for false accusations.

I'm sorry you wasted so much time on this paranoia. But maybe for you this isn't a waste of time, since you are active on this forum 24/7. Maybe you consider it to be your duty to identify and expose this LDSFF shill socket puppet conspiracy you've imaged.

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 3:59 pm

Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 2:32 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 1:46 pm

Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 1:41 pm You're once again proving my point about the paranoia.

Nah, pal, I just posted a list of your posting times, and guess what? A swedge of them match up.

Deny it if you like, claim I made it up etc. I've taken screenshots of it all.

We're not the same person.

You have a lot in common with each other as stated previously. Just denying all this, isn't convincing.

I mean, I found out that there is a Youtuber called Nemo the Mormon. I considered calling myself Nemo on another forum a while back, because someone had called me a "nobody". I didn't fancy getting confused with a fish or a Jules Verne character so I used the German for "nobody" instead. But I don't really need to differentiate myself because he has a very different style from me.

It appears you have a thing for false accusations.

I'm sorry you wasted so much time on this paranoia. But maybe for you this isn't a waste of time, since you are active on this forum 24/7. Maybe you consider it to be your duty to identify and expose this LDSFF shill socket puppet conspiracy you've imaged.

Your posting times are freely available Just stating some provable facts. There is an overlap there.

You're right about one thing though. I had insomnia last night so was up in the wee hours. But I'm usually asleep between 1 am and 8am in this timezone. .

Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 5:16 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 3:59 pm

Atticus wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 2:32 pm

Niemand wrote: ↑March 29th, 2022, 1:46 pm

Nah, pal, I just posted a list of your posting times, and guess what? A swedge of them match up.

Deny it if you like, claim I made it up etc. I've taken screenshots of it all.



You have a lot in common with each other as stated previously. Just denying all this, isn't convincing.

I mean, I found out that there is a Youtuber called Nemo the Mormon. I considered calling myself Nemo on another forum a while back, because someone had called me a "nobody". I didn't fancy getting confused with a fish or a Jules Verne character so I used the German for "nobody" instead. But I don't really need to differentiate myself because he has a very different style from me.

It appears you have a thing for false accusations.

I'm sorry you wasted so much time on this paranoia. But maybe for you this isn't a waste of time, since you are active on this forum 24/7. Maybe you consider it to be your duty to identify and expose this LDSFF shill socket puppet conspiracy you've imaged.

Your posting times are freely available Just stating some provable facts. There is an overlap there.

You're right about one thing though. I had insomnia last night so was up in the wee hours. But I'm usually asleep between 1 am and 8am in this timezone. .

I don't know what you're trying to prove with the posting times. All that means is that Artaxerxes and likely both live in a similar timezone and have similar standard day time work hours.

You have any idea how many people this would apply to? Tens of Millions.

You seriously need to let this go for your own sake. We're not the same person.

Can we go back to the discussion about your beef with Kimball’s list, while giving Paul a free pass for his similar list?