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Posted: **March 23rd, 2022, 7:33 pm**

Evil is not what is supposed to usher in the second coming.

The time has been "at hand" ever since Jesus left.

The Founding Fathers of the USA knew this and that is why they rebelled against England. England called it a Presbyterian rebellion because of the religious beliefs of the founding fathers.

We have a duty to defend liberty in our role in the second coming. Guess which large organization in Utah is not doing their duty?

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Posted: **March 23rd, 2022, 8:48 pm**

Sit around, whine and complain, but don't actually do anything.

Posted: **March 23rd, 2022, 9:35 pm**

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 8:48 pm Sit around, whine and complain, but don't actually do anything.

I'm doing everything I can, as fast as I can. I might complain too much, but I don't whine. I shared the video with my neighbors. The elders that are going to save the Constitution are probably LDSFFers. There are groups here and there that are creating their own Zion. Not just LDS either.

Celestial, but not Kingdom

Posted: **March 23rd, 2022, 10:03 pm**

My understanding of the second coming is not those 4 things. In fact, as Revelations and Isaiah say, when Jesus comes it is to destroy the anti-Christ as only he can. so, how does #4 make sense before the second coming? Not much of an anti-Christ war if Satan is already bound? I can see 1 & 2, but 3 & 4 is why Jesus is back when he comes back.

Posted: **March 23rd, 2022, 10:41 pm**

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 10:03 pm My understanding of the second coming is not those 4 things. In fact, as Revelations and Isaiah say, when Jesus comes it is to destroy the anti-Christ as only he can. so, how does #4 make sense before the second coming? Not much of an anti-Christ war if Satan is already bound? I can see 1 & 2, but 3 & 4 is why Jesus is back when he comes back.

I thought that at first, also. However Ben goes into more detail and shows the scripture to back up each point. Discussion of point #1 begins at minute 26:18. Then at minute 35:57 he discusses point #2. He begins discussion of point #3 at 45:44 and point #4 at minute 51:26.

Ben is more knowledgeable about the subject than me and so I would suggest watching his explanations. If he is wrong, I would appreciate your explaining why.

Posted: **March 23rd, 2022, 11:37 pm**

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 10:03 pm My understanding of the second coming is not those 4 things. In fact, as Revelations and Isaiah say, when Jesus comes it is to destroy the anti-Christ as only he can. so, how does #4 make sense before the second coming? Not much of an anti-Christ war if Satan is already bound? I can see 1 & 2, but 3 & 4 is why Jesus is back when he comes back.

I thought it was explained very well and backed up in the video presentation. Satan is bound because he NO LONGER has power over the people because of their purity and righteousness. Ether 8 explains #3.

Makes sense when you think about it. Jesus needs a pure people to come to...or what's the point. The wicked are destroyed, that's true, but if secret combinations are not exposed and put down first...nobody is around for the second coming.

Posted: **March 24th, 2022, 12:28 am**

Great presentation, thanks!

Posted: **March 24th, 2022, 7:43 am**

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 10:03 pm My understanding of the second coming is not those 4 things. In fact, as Revelations and Isaiah say, when Jesus comes it is to destroy the anti-Christ as only he can. so, how does #4 make sense before the second coming? Not much of an anti-Christ war if Satan is already bound? I can see 1 & 2, but 3 & 4 is why Jesus is back when he comes back.

Indeed. Satan is bound for 1000 years by the savior and it let lose for a short time before final judgement.

Posted: **March 24th, 2022, 10:43 am**

The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 11:37 pm
TheDuke wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 10:03 pm My understanding of the second coming is not those 4 things. In fact, as Revelations and Isaiah say, when Jesus comes it is to destroy the anti-Christ as only he can. so, how does #4 make sense before the second coming? Not much of an anti-Christ war if Satan is already bound? I can see 1 & 2, but 3 & 4 is why Jesus is back when he comes back.
I thought it was explained very well and backed up in the video presentation. Satan is bound because he NO LONGER has power over the people because of their purity and righteousness. Ether 8 explains #3.

Makes sense when you think about it. Jesus needs a pure people to come to...or what's the point. The wicked are destroyed, that's true, but if secret combinations are not exposed and put down first...nobody is around for the second coming.

My PB had language in it that would support this assertion.

Posted: **March 26th, 2022, 4:39 am**

Fred wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 9:35 pm
BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 8:48 pm Sit around, whine and complain, but don't actually do anything.
I'm doing everything I can, as fast as I can. I might complain too much, but I don't whine. I shared the video with my neighbors. The elders that are going to save the Constitution are probably LDSFFers. There are groups here and there that are creating their own Zion. Not just LDS either.

Celestial, but not Kingdom

Spirit has shown stuff.

Cellist’s Capsule, but not Celestial Kingdom.

Posted: **March 26th, 2022, 8:29 am**

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 10:03 pm My understanding of the second coming is not those 4 things. In fact, as Revelations and Isaiah say, when Jesus comes it is to destroy the anti-Christ as only he can. so, how does #4 make sense before the second coming? Not much of an anti-Christ war if Satan is already bound? I can see 1 & 2, but 3 & 4 is why Jesus is back when he comes back.

wrong - as usual.

speaking of Isaiah -

In fact, as Revelations and Isaiah say -
before Jesus comes, His servant - the “one mighty and strong”,
will have already taken down - secret combinations (king of Assyria)
and bound satan - antichrist, and established Zion;
where the kingdom of God will already be in operation -
THEN - Jesus comes
as He says here.

22 And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant
which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem.
And the powers of heaven shall be in the midst of this people; yea, even I will be in the midst of you.
3 Nephi

SO, ALL 4 THINGS LISTED ARE TRUE, AND WILL HAPPEN.
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"Just as the archtyrant is a fire that burns up the wicked (Isaiah 9:18-19; 30:27-28),
so what he does to others is done to him.
Jehovah empowers another fire—his end-time servant—to subdue him (Isaiah 30:30-32; 31:8-9).

Isaiah 28
Ephraim and its prophets reap disaster for being delusional and for rejecting divine revelation.

2 My Lord has in store one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down,
or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters, he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters” identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last.
Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies (Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground (cf. vv 1, 3).

Isaiah 10
26 Jehovah of Hosts will raise the whip against them,as when he struck the Midianite sat the Rock of Oreb.His staff is over the Sea,and he will lift it over them as he did to the Egyptians.

Led by Gideon, Israel anciently defeated a huge Midianite host at the Rock of Oreb (Judges 7:23-25). The term “whip” or “scourge” (sot) alludes to Gideon’s thrashing his enemies with a flagellum of briars and thorns (Judges 8:16).
In an end-time version of these events, the whip—Jehovah’s servant—defeats an Assyrian army in a similar victory against overwhelming odds (Isaiah 9:4; 30:30-32).
Drawing on a second such type, Jehovah’s staff—his servant—subdues the Sea—the Assyrian horde—following the model of Moses’ defeating the Egyptians (Exodus 14:15-31; Isaiah 11:15-16; 51:9-10).

Isaiah 10
20 In that day those who survive of Israel and who escape of the house of Jacob will no longer rely on him who struck them,but will truly rely on Jehovah,the Holy One of Israel:
21 of Jacob a remnant will return to the One Mighty in Valor.

Whereas the Jacob/Israel category of Jehovah’s people is subject to the tyrannical king of Assyria/Babylon—suffering the curses of a broken covenant—in the day that they “repent” (swb) of evil
Jehovah makes it possible for them to “return” (swb) in a new exodus to Zion (Isaiah 11:11-12, 15-16; 35:8-10; 51:11). Instead of relying on a power of chaos—on one who does little more than smite them—they now rely on Jehovah, their God, who seeks only to bless them.
The One Mighty in Valor to whom they return is Jehovah’s servant, who leads their end-time exodus (Isaiah 9:6; 11:10; 55:3-7, 12-13).

and many many more scriptures.

Posted: **March 26th, 2022, 9:48 am**

Being There wrote: ↑March 26th, 2022, 8:29 am
TheDuke wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 10:03 pm My understanding of the second coming is not those 4 things. In fact, as Revelations and Isaiah say, when Jesus comes it is to destroy the anti-Christ as only he can. so, how does #4 make sense before the second coming? Not much of an anti-Christ war if Satan is already bound? I can see 1 & 2, but 3 & 4 is why Jesus is back when he comes back.
wrong - as usual.

speaking of Isaiah -

In fact, as Revelations and Isaiah say -
before Jesus comes, His servant - the “one mighty and strong”,
will have already taken down - secret combinations (king of Assyria)
and bound satan - antichrist, and established Zion;
where the kingdom of God will already be in operation -
THEN - Jesus comes
as He say here.

22 And behold, this people will I establish in this land, unto the fulfilling of the covenant
which I made with your father Jacob; and it shall be a New Jerusalem.
And the powers of heaven shall be in the midst of this people; yea, even I will be in the midst of you.
3 Nephi

SO, ALL 4 THINGS LISTED ARE TRUE, AND WILL HAPPEN.
-------------

"Just as the archtyrant is a fire that burns up the wicked (Isaiah 9:18-19; 30:27-28),
so what he does to others is done to him.
Jehovah empowers another fire—his end-time servant—to subdue him (Isaiah 30:30-32; 31:8-9).

Isaiah 28
Ephraim and its prophets reap disaster for being delusional and for rejecting divine revelation.

2 My Lord has in store one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down,
or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters, he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters” identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last.
Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies (Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground (cf. vv 1, 3).

Isaiah 10
26 Jehovah of Hosts will raise the whip against them,as when he struck the Midianite sat the Rock of Oreb.His staff is over the Sea,and he will lift it over them as he did to the Egyptians.

Led by Gideon, Israel anciently defeated a huge Midianite host at the Rock of Oreb (Judges 7:23-25). The term “whip” or “scourge” (sot) alludes to Gideon’s thrashing his enemies with a flagellum of briars and thorns (Judges 8:16).
In an end-time version of these events, the whip—Jehovah’s servant—defeats an Assyrian army in a similar victory against overwhelming odds (Isaiah 9:4; 30:30-32).
Drawing on a second such type, Jehovah’s staff—his servant—subdues the Sea—the Assyrian horde—following the model of Moses’ defeating the Egyptians (Exodus 14:15-31; Isaiah 11:15-16; 51:9-10).

Isaiah 10
20 In that day those who survive of Israel and who escape of the house of Jacob will no longer rely on him who struck them,but will truly rely on Jehovah,the Holy One of Israel:
21 of Jacob a remnant will return to the One Mighty in Valor.

Whereas the Jacob/Israel category of Jehovah’s people is subject to the tyrannical king of Assyria/Babylon—suffering the curses of a broken covenant—in the day that they “repent” (swb) of evil
Jehovah makes it possible for them to “return” (swb) in a new exodus to Zion (Isaiah 11:11-12, 15-16; 35:8-10; 51:11). Instead of relying on a power of chaos—on one who does little more than smite them—they now rely on Jehovah, their God, who seeks only to bless them.
The One Mighty in Valor to whom they return is Jehovah’s servant, who leads their end-time exodus (Isaiah 9:6; 11:10; 55:3-7, 12-13).

and many many more scriptures.

Yes. Christ will not come until every evil thing is swept off the earth…. Persons, organizations, governments- anything and everything telestial will be gone.

Posted: **March 26th, 2022, 10:14 am**

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 8:48 pm Sit around, whine and complain, but don't actually do anything.

Funny & sad.
It seems religion has been used for good & evil - like to make men weak & passively wait for STHTF.

Symbolism is meant to be likened to us personally - not as a crystal ball.

Posted: **March 26th, 2022, 10:15 am**

Being there I concur your again wrong as usual. Please provide a scripture where the OMAS destroys the anti-Christ. he sets in order things but Jesus steps foot on the mount, which breaks in two and destroys the armies of the anti-Christ. Just a bit out-of-order.

Zechariah 14:4
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

Posted: **March 26th, 2022, 10:36 am**

I think there's lack of revelation when it comes to building zion, hence need for someone to recieve such revelations or a group to. It's hard to build something you don't know about.
It's been 200 years and the church has not built it nor do I think they will at this point. I believe zion will be made by the pure in heart rather than a church organization at this point.
I have plans I'm not revealing here, but suffice to say people will be making zion come to pass, or at least try to.

I agree that good things need to be set up first then the lord comes.

Posted: **March 26th, 2022, 11:06 am**

Thinker wrote: ↑March 26th, 2022, 10:14 am
BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 8:48 pm Sit around, whine and complain, but don't actually do anything.
Funny & sad.
It seems religion has been used for good & evil - like to make men weak & passively wait for STHTF.

Symbolism is meant to be likened to us personally - not as a crystal ball.

https://march8miracle.org wrote: C -- 3 = Month
H -- 8 = The day was skipped this time
R - 18 = Day of the 5.7 magnitude earthquake
I -- 9 = The very Minute that Moroni landed his instrument
S - 19 = The very Hour on the opposite side of Planet Earth
T - 20 = The very Year and Century when Moroni quickly ate it

There’s the timing pattern of the 5.7 magnitude earthquake where Moroni landed his instrument. Silent consonants, such as the one skipped, are a similitude of YWHW aka the unspeakable name of God; 2010 was the conclusion of another timing pattern shown at the same source, which was later determined to be when the seventh seal opened. Much can be learned if one recognizes the validity of Bible Myth #2, and see that true doctrine preceded the recording of it in the Bible.

https://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message834041/pg1 wrote: Myth #2. The Bible preceded doctrine
Since the Bible didn't exist in its current form in the time of the Bible, how did it then form the basis for the doctrines taught by Jesus, Peter, Paul and the other apostles? "The book was created by the church, not the church by the book."

People complain constantly about a lack of seer-ship, when there is an abundance. An Angel Type Image, at the source cited above, revealed another timing pattern that also spelled CHRIST. Is a camera lens not a stone?

3*8**

Posted: **March 26th, 2022, 11:37 am**

Some of us truly get this @Fred. Some of us are working to revolutionize science for example. The entirety of the corpus of science has been corrupted for well over a century and this is one of the things that prevents fulfilling of literally all four of those points. Most don't understand or have the vision to begin to understand this concept and it is supremely disheartening.

Posted: **March 26th, 2022, 5:36 pm**

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 8:48 pm Sit around, whine and complain, but don't actually do anything.

the most significant part of the parable of the talents is that one of the guys that Jesus gave coin to . . . did nothing . . . he did nothing . . . and what did Jesus reward him with . . . .

Posted: **March 26th, 2022, 5:39 pm**

The Red Pill wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 11:37 pm
TheDuke wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 10:03 pm My understanding of the second coming is not those 4 things. In fact, as Revelations and Isaiah say, when Jesus comes it is to destroy the anti-Christ as only he can. so, how does #4 make sense before the second coming? Not much of an anti-Christ war if Satan is already bound? I can see 1 & 2, but 3 & 4 is why Jesus is back when he comes back.
I thought it was explained very well and backed up in the video presentation. Satan is bound because he NO LONGER has power over the people because of their purity and righteousness. Ether 8 explains #3.

Makes sense when you think about it. Jesus needs a pure people to come to...or what's the point. The wicked are destroyed, that's true, but if secret combinations are not exposed and put down first...nobody is around for the second coming.

no satan is bound by the savior or a messenger of the savior . . . it is incorrect doctrine that he is bound because we are so righteous . . ..

Posted: **March 26th, 2022, 5:41 pm**

Jesus will visit a couple of times BUT will not come back permanently to reign until Zion is established ( maybe built means the same)

Posted: **March 26th, 2022, 11:26 pm**

TheDuke wrote: ↑March 26th, 2022, 10:15 am Being there I concur your again wrong as usual. Please provide a scripture where the OMAS destroys the anti-Christ. he sets in order things but Jesus steps foot on the mount, which breaks in two and destroys the armies of the anti-Christ. Just a bit out-of-order.

Zechariah 14:4
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and half moving south.

as usual.
I already have.
Try actually reading what others post.

Posted: **March 27th, 2022, 8:20 am**

I believe we all have different callings for the last days. I was originally to travel back to the west coast from the rockies and help those in need along the way in a non confrontational role. It changed about 4 years ago. I'm now on a different path.

We all have different gifts and talents. Prepare yours now so you can do your part.

Posted: **March 27th, 2022, 11:13 am**

At this point I think we mostly need to flee Babylon spiritually and before long, perhaps, physically. Since I became aware that the Gadiantons had gained control of the general level of the Church I no longer feel comfortable inviting people to join the Church so my warning has been to ask people to repent and turn their hearts to Christ.

[rant]Warning your typical Church member About Covid vaccines or UN initiatives the Church supports or the wickedness of the Church's LGTBQ+ initiatives is like spitting in the wind. Telling them that we are in a very dangerous situation with the vaccines, Russia, the coming death of the petrodollar, and food shortages is like talking to a deer staring at a spot light. "The prophet will warn us. Besides, you shouldn't be reading non-credible news sources." That isn't what the scriptures say. The Lord said that we are responsible for looking for the signs and that those who love Him will be looking. "President Packer said we would have grandkids before the Second Coming." Do you really think we won't have children and grandchildren during the Millennium? "The brethren can always be trusted." Then why did the Savior tell Joseph Smith that He would have to send one mighty and strong to set the Church in order? "The Lord won't let the prophet lead us astray." Aargh!!!! The brainwashing goes deep, so deep.[/rant]

Posted: **March 27th, 2022, 12:10 pm**

Fred wrote: ↑March 23rd, 2022, 7:33 pm Evil is not what is supposed to usher in the second coming.

The time has been "at hand" ever since Jesus left.

The Founding Fathers of the USA knew this and that is why they rebelled against England. England called it a Presbyterian rebellion because of the religious beliefs of the founding fathers.

We have a duty to defend liberty in our role in the second coming. Guess which large organization in Utah is not doing their duty?

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Yes. I think before the second coming, where He shows himself to the world, these things must happen. But the Lord will have to visit Zion while it is being established (Zion will need the Lord to make bare his arm for protection) and His coming at Armageddon may well be when those secret combinations are finally destroyed. So we will need the arm of the Lord to get these things done.

Posted: **March 27th, 2022, 12:25 pm**

yes, makes sense but the 4 listed to happen before the millennium is the adversary keeping people from preparing. If you don't think Christ will return until after the final war is won and after the Anti-Christ is killed (by someone other than Christ himself), then you will not be prepared when he does come, and I don't mean come to individuals (like Wendy Nelson) but to the world unveiled in at least a semblance of openness (not all will accept then even for some time according to scriptures).

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